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69. This thread is another sad reason why DU is mostly the fringe.
"Heresy" indeed. Let's hope nobody stumbles onto this site thinking we represent the Democratic Party in any way. Or anybody whose family member was killed in the attack. We'd be fucked.

Okay, now, as a proud mainstream Democrat, I'm going to try to explain this as easy as possible for the likes of "Tyler Durden" so they understand why the vast majority of his fellow Americans feel the way they do about 9/11.

On that day, OUR COUNTRY (not the big piece of grass we're on but our beloved nation) was attacked by a foreign ENEMY. Sick, twisted terrorists came to our country and MURDERED 3,000 innocent American civilians- all of them DELIBERATELY killed. Our planes and the innocent people in them were hijacked and used as fucking weapons against us! One of our nation's proudest landmarks was destroyed- New York City is now missing the freaking World Trade Center!! The attackers did not see us as red, blue, liberal, or conservative, but as AMERICANS. The fire, the smoke, the people screaming in the streets of NY and DC, the brave souls on Flight 93, the people jumping out of the towers to their death so that they didn't burn alive- ALL of this made 9/11 a unique, unbelievable, outrageous tragedy THAT CAN'T BE HONESTLY COMPARED TO ANYTHING ELSE.

Nothing. Not Katrina, not the tsunamis, not AIDS in Africa, not the bombing of women's clinics, not the Jena 6, not anything else because it was unlike anything else!

Americans of every political stripe were pissed because their countrymen and women were fucking murdered. The hunger for justice (if you need to call it revenge, fine) is a normal human desire. I, a Gore and Kerry voting Democrat, was pissed. I wanted justice. I put a flag outside my house after the attacks. And I have no regrets about it because MY COUNTRY and MY FELLOW AMERICANS were attacked and killed. I guess you can call it a simple feeling of patriotism (don't get too excited- I didn't support the Iraq war and don't want to bomb the shit out of Iran at all, I just love my country as I would expect a French person to love France).

If you really, truly can't understand any of this because you want one world government or whatever personal reason, then I'm afraid you just can't be helped.
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  -911: I will now speak heresy Tyler Durden  Oct-11-07 07:45 AM   #0 
  - I am sick and tired of the fear-mongering re: 9/11 too, read this:  FLDem5   Oct-11-07 07:49 AM   #1 
  - Absolutely right.  colorado_ufo   Oct-11-07 06:24 PM   #53 
  - What is heart wrenching is that 9-11 was a criminal act and wasn't treated  higher class   Oct-11-07 09:56 PM   #70 
  - Right after Bush said that he'd make sure that we got those responsible,  truedelphi   Oct-12-07 01:19 AM   #83 
  - We are now nothing but a bunch of well-armed, trigger-happy bedwetters n/t  eridani   Oct-11-07 11:32 PM   #77 
  - "USA's PET TRAGEDY" is how I have heard it described  bos1   Oct-12-07 04:49 AM   #91 
     - ouch.  FLDem5   Oct-12-07 07:05 AM   #102 
     - PERFECT.  Tyler Durden   Oct-12-07 08:38 AM   #116 
        - give me credit!  bos1   Oct-13-07 03:26 AM   #129 
  - The thing you just don't get is that 9/11 was THE reason for * & Co to SHRED the Constitution.  TheGoldenRule   Oct-11-07 09:44 PM   #68 
  - I did not say I WANTED another 9-11, I said I am willing to RISK another 9-11  FLDem5   Oct-12-07 07:06 AM   #103 
     - Amen.  f the letter   Oct-12-07 10:52 AM   #119 
  - No More Fear-Mongering!  Beartracks   Oct-11-07 11:41 PM   #78 
  - FLDem5 I am with you 100%  davekriss   Oct-12-07 08:26 AM   #113 
     - thanks.  FLDem5   Oct-12-07 11:23 AM   #121 
  - More than double that amount (3000) die every single frigging week from  Toots   Oct-11-07 07:49 AM   #2 
  - All the evidence of late says...  Tesha   Oct-11-07 07:56 AM   #4 
  - Terror???  Plucketeer   Oct-11-07 06:57 PM   #55 
     - shhhh... Blackwater is going to start out on the gangs. The ones they can't kill  Ghost in the Machine   Oct-11-07 07:20 PM   #56 
  - Since the day it occurred, I've thought that the best thing America could have done...  Tesha   Oct-11-07 07:53 AM   #3 
  - Best suggestion I've heard YET.  Tyler Durden   Oct-11-07 08:03 AM   #6 
  - I had sorta the same idea  VWolf   Oct-11-07 08:49 AM   #10 
  - I think Bush gets down on his knees and daily thanks GOD for 911.  Tyler Durden   Oct-11-07 08:52 AM   #12 
     - Oh, no doubt there nt  VWolf   Oct-11-07 09:21 AM   #26 
     - He'd have been a half termer  comtec   Oct-12-07 04:03 AM   #88 
     - Absolutely. As always, "who benefits from the crime?"  WritersBlock   Oct-13-07 07:11 AM   #137 
  - My immediate reaction was also to rebuild the WTC exactly as it was...  BrklynLib at work   Oct-12-07 07:51 AM   #108 
  - America's bed-wetting overreaction to 9/11 is ridiculous.  mwb970   Oct-11-07 08:00 AM   #5 
  - Why past time to move on !  Cybergata   Oct-11-07 08:11 PM   #60 
  - Conservatives are wimps, ultimately  dmesg   Oct-11-07 08:04 AM   #7 
  - I'm so tired of "King of the Hill" and "my dick's bigger than yours"  Tyler Durden   Oct-11-07 08:10 AM   #8 
  - Oh, man, I've been saying the same things in private for years! I applaud you for having the  sinkingfeeling   Oct-11-07 08:43 AM   #9 
  - OH but WE are worth SO MUCH MORE than the rest of the world.  Tyler Durden   Oct-11-07 08:50 AM   #11 
  - Heresy? Far from it!  VWolf   Oct-11-07 08:53 AM   #13 
  - I've gotten to the point where I don't CARE about the answers anymore.  Tyler Durden   Oct-11-07 08:56 AM   #15 
     - Well you should care  VWolf   Oct-11-07 09:27 AM   #29 
  - ANTHRAX WAS TERRORISM TOO!!  Beetwasher   Oct-11-07 08:55 AM   #14 
  - True, but diminished to the point of obscurity.  Tyler Durden   Oct-11-07 09:06 AM   #18 
  - Thank you.  BuyingThyme   Oct-11-07 08:57 AM   #16 
  - Attacks on women's health clinic and workers by those opposed to their operation  havocmom   Oct-11-07 09:00 AM   #17 
  - True, but my point is not making lists, but putting 911 in its proper perspective.  Tyler Durden   Oct-11-07 09:09 AM   #20 
  - Well said.  Terran   Oct-11-07 09:06 AM   #19 
  - Emphasis on the "jerk" in my book.  Tyler Durden   Oct-11-07 09:13 AM   #23 
  - I remember an interview with the widow of one of the men killed  Arkansas Granny   Oct-11-07 09:10 AM   #21 
  - "Most definitions of terrorism include only those acts which are intended to create fear or "terror"  CGowen   Oct-11-07 09:10 AM   #22 
  - Then our government has been carrying out acts of terrorism on us for over 5 years now n/t  rox63   Oct-11-07 08:22 PM   #61 
  - your post kicks butt. K&R. nt  raccoon   Oct-11-07 09:16 AM   #24 
  - The Power of Nightmares (BBC) is REQUIRED VIEWING here on DU.  The Stranger   Oct-11-07 09:17 AM   #25 
  - thanks for posting that.I'm watching it now  w8liftinglady   Oct-11-07 10:13 AM   #32 
  - lest not forget 911 led to Iraq war where over 3000 US soldiers  lovuian   Oct-11-07 09:24 AM   #27 
  - Well done  T.Ruth2power   Oct-11-07 09:25 AM   #28 
  - The real tragedy of 9/11  Baby Snooks   Oct-11-07 10:06 AM   #30 
  - that is profound & hits the nail right on the head  bpeale   Oct-11-07 10:28 AM   #34 
  - You're perfectly correct, of course. Dwelling on it is letting terrorists win.  redqueen   Oct-11-07 10:10 AM   #31 
  - I believe the fear and hate mongering that followed 9/11 was to ready us for the Iraq invasion.  KansDem   Oct-11-07 10:27 AM   #33 
  - our daily 5 minutes of hate, huh?  bpeale   Oct-11-07 10:29 AM   #35 
  - No, just reality...  KansDem   Oct-11-07 11:27 AM   #36 
  - Fair enough  Prophet 451   Oct-11-07 11:34 AM   #38 
  - I think I love you  Prophet 451   Oct-11-07 11:32 AM   #37 
  - It has aways amused me that "PRAVDA" means "OFFICIAL TRUTH"...  Tyler Durden   Oct-11-07 11:36 AM   #39 
  - Nah, we're just stubborn.  Prophet 451   Oct-11-07 11:45 AM   #43 
  - "pravda" is simply the Russian word for "truth"  Canuckistanian   Oct-11-07 01:49 PM   #46 
  - I've always seen 9/11 as an American "Kamikaze" event  Canuckistanian   Oct-11-07 01:44 PM   #44 
  - Yes, good analogy  Prophet 451   Oct-11-07 01:48 PM   #45 
  - Good post  fujiyama   Oct-11-07 08:47 PM   #65 
  - Oh, I'm a huge Pratchett fan n/t  Prophet 451   Oct-13-07 06:37 AM   #134 
  - Your post was great. Asking and answering why they  higher class   Oct-11-07 10:27 PM   #74 
     - More Pratchett  Prophet 451   Oct-13-07 07:00 AM   #135 
  - How about we treated this as it was  Pirate looks at 50   Oct-11-07 11:38 AM   #40 
  - Then you'll have to call me a heretic, too.  RevCheesehead   Oct-11-07 11:39 AM   #41 
  - drunk drivers are a MUCH bigger threat to our safety than terrorists.  QuestionAll   Oct-11-07 11:41 AM   #42 
  - "no money in it for the military-industrial complex" --DING DING DING, we have a winnah!  kath   Oct-11-07 11:50 PM   #79 
  - K/R. nt  cyberpj   Oct-11-07 01:57 PM   #47 
  - You put this in excellent prospective  libodem   Oct-11-07 02:37 PM   #48 
  - live in fear, die in fear  spanone   Oct-11-07 02:40 PM   #49 
  - I'd like to point out some things about the conspiratorial angle...  AntiFascist   Oct-11-07 02:51 PM   #50 
  - Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth now has 190 A&E professionals  petgoat   Oct-11-07 06:25 PM   #54 
     - What does the typical gravity-driven collapse of a 100-story building  Spinzonner   Oct-11-07 07:43 PM   #59 
        - Obviously that is an explosion, not a gravity-driven collapse.  petgoat   Oct-12-07 01:08 AM   #82 
           - Of course  Spinzonner   Oct-12-07 02:06 AM   #85 
              - Crushing a soda cracker illustrates the sequence of events  petgoat   Oct-12-07 02:16 AM   #86 
  - Ah, refreshing sanity. K&R. (nt)  Ignis   Oct-11-07 02:58 PM   #51 
  - 9/11 took out a few BUILDINGS. Katrina took out a CITY.  catzies   Oct-11-07 03:10 PM   #52 
  - It was a tragedy, not sort of a tragedy  adigal   Oct-11-07 07:29 PM   #57 
  - What has happened to your husband is an individual TRAVESTY.  Tyler Durden   Oct-11-07 08:36 PM   #62 
  - You're absolutely right.  yardwork   Oct-11-07 07:40 PM   #58 
  - And the Lusitania.  Tyler Durden   Oct-11-07 08:37 PM   #63 
     - And the Gulf of Tonkin  yardwork   Oct-12-07 03:21 PM   #125 
  - Those weren't the only three acts...  fujiyama   Oct-11-07 08:39 PM   #64 
  - During World War II, European cities suffered the equivalent of 10, 20, 30  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-11-07 09:04 PM   #66 
  - Here, here!  xxqqqzme   Oct-11-07 09:32 PM   #67 
  - This thread is another sad reason why DU is mostly the fringe.  liberalsoldier5   Oct-11-07 09:54 PM   #69 
  - Actually, the comparison between 9/11 and bombing women's clinics is similar...  Solon   Oct-11-07 10:08 PM   #73 
  - Good points.  liberalsoldier5   Oct-11-07 10:33 PM   #75 
     - 9/11 was a tragedy on a world scale...  Solon   Oct-11-07 11:26 PM   #76 
        - Our ARROGANCE demands this be a "WORLD SCALE" Tragedy.  Tyler Durden   Oct-12-07 05:28 AM   #96 
           - I was thinking about the fact that up to 50+ nations lost citizens on that day...  Solon   Oct-12-07 07:43 AM   #106 
           - And how often do you hear that?  Tyler Durden   Oct-12-07 07:55 AM   #109 
              - Never, and that was the point of my post...  Solon   Oct-12-07 08:06 AM   #111 
                 - Actually, I'm agreeing with you.  Tyler Durden   Oct-12-07 08:15 AM   #112 
                    - I share in that rage, its okay...  Solon   Oct-12-07 08:31 AM   #114 
                       - Bush took used this opportunity to stage the world's biggest prick waving contest...  Tyler Durden   Oct-12-07 08:37 AM   #115 
                          - It is said that war is the result of a failure of diplomacy...  Solon   Oct-12-07 08:46 AM   #117 
                             - Bush and his family are perfect examples of "The New Elite."  Tyler Durden   Oct-12-07 08:59 AM   #118 
           - I'm not ashamed at all.  liberalsoldier5   Oct-12-07 01:19 PM   #124 
              - WHY would you feel more grief over the American victims?  baby_mouse   Oct-13-07 05:50 AM   #130 
  - bombast  datasuspect   Oct-12-07 07:11 AM   #104 
  - Thank you too.  Tyler Durden   Oct-12-07 07:58 AM   #110 
  - Agreed, and thanks for writing this....nt  DemGa   Oct-12-07 03:32 PM   #126 
  - Why do you think an absence of nationalism is equivalent to one world government? NT  baby_mouse   Oct-13-07 05:52 AM   #131 
  - Yes. TV news is a propaganda organ of the p-nac elites.  upi402   Oct-11-07 10:01 PM   #71 
  - I hear what you're saying...  NoGodsNoMasters   Oct-11-07 10:02 PM   #72 
  - Hey man -- let's let all the murderers and rapists and child molesters off the hook too, right?  JMDEM   Oct-12-07 12:15 AM   #80 
  - Oh give me a break.  Tyler Durden   Oct-12-07 05:20 AM   #93 
  - Your reply assumes that the Bushcists are not the guilty parties.  petgoat   Oct-12-07 06:22 PM   #128 
  - Better still, why not establish a 500 mile high monument commemorating EVERY EXECUTION.  baby_mouse   Oct-13-07 05:54 AM   #132 
  - You didn't die, so it's all good.  Truthiness Inspector   Oct-12-07 12:50 AM   #81 
  - I don't know WHERE I saw ANY of this as GOOD.  Tyler Durden   Oct-12-07 05:21 AM   #94 
  - So, because PNAC was able to pull off the greatest attack on the US, forgive the traitor Bush?  Major Hogwash   Oct-12-07 01:21 AM   #84 
  - I didn't say that EITHER.  Tyler Durden   Oct-12-07 05:23 AM   #95 
  - not the best writing...  obxhead   Oct-12-07 02:42 AM   #87 
  - Thank you (I think.)  Tyler Durden   Oct-12-07 05:38 AM   #97 
  - It is the neocon goal as outlined in PNAC that they want the world population  whistle   Oct-12-07 04:04 AM   #89 
  - this is news to me. link? nt  bos1   Oct-12-07 04:47 AM   #90 
  - The Iraq War has damaged us more than the attacks of 9/11  Roland99   Oct-12-07 05:06 AM   #92 
  - You want to care for the living? How about New Orleans?  Swamp Rat   Oct-12-07 05:41 AM   #98 
  - You couldn't be more right, and could not agree with you more.  Tyler Durden   Oct-12-07 05:46 AM   #99 
  - Can Rudy still count on you for your vote?  vssmith   Oct-12-07 05:57 AM   #100 
  - HA HA. VERY funny.  Tyler Durden   Oct-12-07 06:21 AM   #101 
  - "Let's remember the dead, but let us care for the LIVING: there is more profit in it."  MethuenProgressive   Oct-12-07 07:19 AM   #105 
  - So true. As long as we allow the likes of BushCo, Ghouliani and the others of their ilk to milk  BrklynLib at work   Oct-12-07 07:49 AM   #107 
  - agree w/the spirit of the OP, but 9-11 was more than a tragedy "of a sort"  npincus   Oct-12-07 11:05 AM   #120 
  - Of a sort refers to the personal tragedy felt by New Yorkers...  Tyler Durden   Oct-12-07 11:50 AM   #122 
     - I agree. Lives were 'forever changed' because Bush had so much invested  renie408   Oct-13-07 07:20 AM   #138 
        - we are in total agreement.  Tyler Durden   Oct-13-07 09:57 PM   #139 
           - That's why Truthists are pushing to expose the lies and take the issue away from them. nt  petgoat   Oct-14-07 01:16 PM   #140 
  - 16,037 people were murdered in the U.S. in 2001.  LWolf   Oct-12-07 12:17 PM   #123 
  - Hello, you've missed your own point-  MrMickeysMom   Oct-12-07 03:42 PM   #127 
  - The only thing I fear about 9/11 was that the Bush Crime Family did it!  B Calm   Oct-13-07 06:21 AM   #133 
  - I remember that on 9/11, a guy was driving his pickup to work and was killed on a state highway...  renie408   Oct-13-07 07:04 AM   #136 

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