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| 115. yeah, then Conyers will appoint him special prosecuter |
| -ADMINISTRATION SETTING TABLE FOR DISMISSAL OF PATRICK FITGERALD !!! |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 02:51 PM |
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Wasn't the so-called 'Saturday Night Massacre' the last straw for Nixon's presidency? |
htuttle |
Feb-13-07 02:54 PM |
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yes, but we are a dumber public now and will just let it happen |
itsmesgd |
Feb-13-07 02:58 PM |
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Kind of off-topic, but I'd say we are less educated on purpose. |
LonelyLRLiberal |
Feb-13-07 06:01 PM |
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You have to remember that back in the mid '70's, |
femrap |
Feb-13-07 06:19 PM |
#113 |
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The difference is the timing. Cox had just begun investigation. Fitz has now "completed" his. |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 03:00 PM |
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I don't doubt what you're saying but he did ask if the leak was part of what he was |
cui bono |
Feb-14-07 04:37 AM |
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Well, yeah, that was the beginning of th end for Crafty Richard. |
Jackpine Radical |
Feb-13-07 03:00 PM |
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That was back in the days |
seasonedblue |
Feb-13-07 03:06 PM |
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Yes, the attorney general refused to do Nixon's bidding. HUGE historical |
robinlynne |
Feb-13-07 03:16 PM |
#26 |
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Absolutely! How many people did tricky dick go through before he found someone who would? n/t |
hootinholler |
Feb-13-07 05:04 PM |
#87 |
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Didn't Bork finally do the firing? nt |
femrap |
Feb-13-07 06:20 PM |
#114 |
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Yes, Nixon went through two AG, before settling on Bork to do his dirty work. |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 07:12 PM |
#129 |
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The mainstream media is much more compliant now |
NewJeffCT |
Feb-13-07 03:30 PM |
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It won't even go -that- well, because the "LW HEAD" will be Joe Lieberman. nm |
dicksteele |
Feb-13-07 03:40 PM |
#47 |
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I think I saw that interview on Hannity & Colmes last night (eom) |
WhaTHellsgoingonhere |
Feb-15-07 12:13 PM |
#159 |
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Bingo |
malaise |
Feb-13-07 04:02 PM |
#59 |
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Except the GOP didn't control most broadcast media back then. |
blm |
Feb-13-07 04:03 PM |
#62 |
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I remember that like it was yesterday |
Jacobin |
Feb-13-07 05:37 PM |
#104 |
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I remember it very clearly as well.... |
femrap |
Feb-13-07 06:24 PM |
#116 |
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Interesting speculation. |
Jackpine Radical |
Feb-13-07 02:55 PM |
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Um, they could fire Fitz any time they wanted to. |
Kagemusha |
Feb-13-07 02:55 PM |
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Timing is everything. Once Libby is convicted, "there's no longer any need" for Fitz to continue |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 03:03 PM |
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I'm just saying that was never not in the talking points. |
Kagemusha |
Feb-13-07 03:08 PM |
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To counter that point, |
Qutzupalotl |
Feb-13-07 05:49 PM |
#106 |
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I wish I could |
JulieRB |
Feb-13-07 02:55 PM |
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Nope. n/t |
H2O Man |
Feb-13-07 02:56 PM |
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I scrolled down for your name to see your "take" |
Horse with no Name |
Feb-13-07 03:00 PM |
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why? |
LSK |
Feb-13-07 03:07 PM |
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Because |
H2O Man |
Feb-13-07 03:25 PM |
#37 |
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the Bush admin has the same problem |
LSK |
Feb-13-07 03:28 PM |
#42 |
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boy, you sure have a lot of valentines! |
robinlynne |
Feb-13-07 03:17 PM |
#27 |
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He sure does! |
cat_girl25 |
Feb-13-07 03:51 PM |
#54 |
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I agree, nope nt |
Crabby Appleton |
Feb-13-07 04:39 PM |
#78 |
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You can do better than that. |
Morgana LaFey |
Feb-13-07 06:36 PM |
#118 |
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I'm on htuttle's wavelength on this one. Dismissing prosecutors |
Old Crusoe |
Feb-13-07 02:56 PM |
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See my #8 or #13 replies - it's all about the timing of the dismissal |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 03:05 PM |
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Intended my response to be in support of your info... |
Old Crusoe |
Feb-13-07 03:13 PM |
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I wish what you say didn't make sense, but it does. |
SharonRB |
Feb-13-07 02:58 PM |
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BINGO! When I read Fred Thompson's statement I thought |
KoKo01 |
Feb-13-07 03:02 PM |
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I'm going to consult w an old experienced prosecutor for a reasoned opinion. |
lonestarnot |
Feb-13-07 03:02 PM |
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Nothing they do can shock me anymore. |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 03:10 PM |
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Old prosecutor says no. Special provisions for special prosecutors. |
lonestarnot |
Feb-13-07 03:40 PM |
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But at Fitz's appointment, Deputy Attorney General Comey suggested otherwise |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 04:15 PM |
#66 |
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That is just blah blah blah. Ain't happening. |
lonestarnot |
Feb-13-07 07:05 PM |
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"in practicum" is what matters |
SemperEadem |
Feb-15-07 12:35 PM |
#161 |
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Gonzales has a snittier smirk than W.... |
femrap |
Feb-13-07 06:26 PM |
#117 |
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The clarifying letter from Comey to Fitzgerald, spelling out |
Spazito |
Feb-13-07 03:03 PM |
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but the precedent is established. US Attorney General Gonzales only need wave his hand.. |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 03:13 PM |
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way wrong. n/t |
H2O Man |
Feb-13-07 03:13 PM |
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How is Fitz any different from the recently terminated Gonzo Six? |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 03:19 PM |
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He's acting as "special counsel" here, |
Marie26 |
Feb-13-07 05:21 PM |
#96 |
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Gonzales recused himself from the CIA Leak Case: He has no legal interest in Fitzgerald (!) ... |
tiptoe |
Feb-15-07 11:25 AM |
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Excellent find! |
Spazito |
Feb-15-07 11:29 AM |
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Gonzales already distinguished Pat Fitzgerald as THE determiner of "what will happen going forward" |
tiptoe |
Feb-15-07 11:54 AM |
#157 |
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I hope you are WAY RIGHT about it being Way Wrong! |
ClayZ |
Feb-13-07 03:27 PM |
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I am. n/t |
H2O Man |
Feb-13-07 04:36 PM |
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No, in this case, Fitzgerald is NOT serving as US District |
Spazito |
Feb-13-07 03:18 PM |
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But in that capacity, Fitz is still under Gonzales. And if Alberto says: |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 03:21 PM |
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Wrong. |
H2O Man |
Feb-13-07 03:23 PM |
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I believe in my OP, I requested that somebody *show me* I'm wrong |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 03:25 PM |
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Read. |
H2O Man |
Feb-13-07 03:26 PM |
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Wrong. |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 04:28 PM |
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Read further. n/t |
H2O Man |
Feb-13-07 04:34 PM |
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I hope you are right. |
Seldona |
Feb-13-07 05:05 PM |
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Fitz's boss atthe time he was assigned this case set it up so Fitz can not be removed! |
flyarm |
Feb-13-07 05:09 PM |
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He can fire him as US Attorney |
JulieRB |
Feb-13-07 03:20 PM |
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Thanks Julie. Now we're getting somewhere. |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 03:27 PM |
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actually, I think only the pres can fire a us attorney |
onenote |
Feb-13-07 03:32 PM |
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We just went through this in Seattle |
JulieRB |
Feb-13-07 03:58 PM |
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Regarding authority of Gonzo to remove Special Council, see seasonedblue's post #49 below. |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 04:08 PM |
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TinMan, I've read James Comey's comments on the appointment of Mr. Fitzgerald previously |
JulieRB |
Feb-13-07 04:39 PM |
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Just to add to your comments, the press conference |
Spazito |
Feb-13-07 05:10 PM |
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McKay resigned |
onenote |
Feb-13-07 05:32 PM |
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Don't think you are right |
onenote |
Feb-13-07 03:24 PM |
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Gonzales just did *exactly that* to six other USDAs - under powers "derived" from the Patriot Act |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 03:33 PM |
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Tin Man, |
seasonedblue |
Feb-13-07 03:41 PM |
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Thanks for that info. If Comey figured he had the authority, then by extension, Gonzales has it too. |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 03:53 PM |
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This press conference took place Dec/2003 before.... |
Spazito |
Feb-13-07 05:06 PM |
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Thank you, |
seasonedblue |
Feb-13-07 06:56 PM |
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Good work, Spaz - a gold star for your succint explanation |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 08:06 PM |
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Thanks, Tin Man! Posting theories, opinions are the best |
Spazito |
Feb-13-07 09:13 PM |
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Yes, and it's always good |
seasonedblue |
Feb-15-07 12:02 PM |
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I think your posting the press conference was a GOOD thing! |
Spazito |
Feb-15-07 12:14 PM |
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special protections for special prosecutors regardless of patriot cow paddy. |
lonestarnot |
Feb-13-07 03:42 PM |
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wrong. Gonzales did not fire the other USDAs under powers from the Patriot Act |
onenote |
Feb-13-07 05:22 PM |
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"Stepping down" is defacto firing. People don't volunteer to resign without credible threat |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 05:31 PM |
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right. but I don't think Fitz is susceptible to that sort of intimidation |
onenote |
Feb-13-07 05:34 PM |
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Bingo |
proud patriot |
Feb-13-07 05:35 PM |
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The cat is out of the bag... |
Hubert Flottz |
Feb-13-07 03:08 PM |
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You're right - we need Keith Olbermann to mention this - put it on the record |
file83 |
Feb-14-07 12:22 AM |
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It will be on a Friday with other events dominating the news |
herbster |
Feb-13-07 03:14 PM |
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This is discouraging... |
meldroc |
Feb-13-07 03:14 PM |
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Fitz is not an Independent Counsel. Independent Counsel law expired in 1999 & was not renewed. n/t |
Garbo 2004 |
Feb-14-07 03:34 AM |
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Actually, it was the independent prosecutor law that expired |
JulieRB |
Feb-15-07 11:53 AM |
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I wonder what took them so long? |
The Backlash Cometh |
Feb-13-07 03:18 PM |
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It sounds like Fitz is on the right track |
C_U_L8R |
Feb-13-07 03:23 PM |
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Well, good luck with that. |
aquart |
Feb-13-07 03:26 PM |
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Never in hell |
WilliamPitt |
Feb-13-07 03:36 PM |
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Thank you. |
lonestarnot |
Feb-13-07 03:42 PM |
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Altho Fitz cannot be removed, the US Attorneys recently were, hamstringing |
Dems Will Win |
Feb-13-07 03:49 PM |
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It's also important |
H2O Man |
Feb-13-07 04:02 PM |
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What cause did Nixon have for firing Cox???? |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 04:33 PM |
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Nope. |
H2O Man |
Feb-13-07 04:35 PM |
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Gonzo and Bush are free to invent reasons, too. |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 04:37 PM |
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You are silly. |
H2O Man |
Feb-13-07 04:38 PM |
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If you need a refresher: Time Magazine. Oct. 29, 1973 |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 04:42 PM |
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Iraq. |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 04:04 PM |
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If you don't think they've already been over his background |
JulieRB |
Feb-13-07 04:48 PM |
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He wanted to get a cat? Off-topic but |
glitch |
Feb-13-07 06:01 PM |
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It's time for some off-topic Patrick Fitzgerald love! |
JulieRB |
Feb-13-07 06:38 PM |
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In their arrogance, however, I have heard several supporters of |
Arkansas Granny |
Feb-13-07 04:27 PM |
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You're right. "Plame wasn't undercover. It's a witch hunt by the Bush haters..." yadda yadda yadda |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 04:35 PM |
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Seeing "seventeen kinds of fresh hell" set loose amoung the cabal |
sellitman |
Feb-13-07 06:48 PM |
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Am I the only one in the world |
JulieRB |
Feb-13-07 06:51 PM |
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Someone upthread made a good point about this. |
WilliamPitt |
Feb-13-07 07:11 PM |
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Or maybe someone in Congress will ask him to testify. |
conscious evolution |
Feb-13-07 07:39 PM |
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I'm sure our courageous risk-taking media has lots of runaway brides, diapered astronauts, |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Feb-13-07 03:42 PM |
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Why is it that all-caps titles always lead to a lousy post? |
La_Fourmi_Rouge |
Feb-13-07 03:55 PM |
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If I could recommend a post in this thread it would be yours |
Laurab |
Feb-13-07 06:44 PM |
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I double dog dare 'em ! |
TorchesAndPitchforks |
Feb-13-07 03:59 PM |
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K& R. |
Cobalt Violet |
Feb-13-07 04:02 PM |
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kinda late for that if you ask me |
HuffleClaw |
Feb-13-07 04:15 PM |
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I think they hired Fitz cause he's a repuke, and figured that HE would be their patsy nt |
gulfcoastliberal |
Feb-13-07 04:37 PM |
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That's what I thought when I read Thompson's remarks |
SquireJons |
Feb-13-07 04:42 PM |
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Agree wholeheartedly, 100% - nt |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 04:49 PM |
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So, God forbid, suppose no one beyond Libby is convicted... |
Frustratedlady |
Feb-13-07 04:48 PM |
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I would defer to H20 Man's judgment (and crystal ball) on anything to do with |
Peace Patriot |
Feb-13-07 04:54 PM |
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Sealed vs Sealed: Fitz' automatic "Doomsday Machine" response to any "dismissal attack"? |
tiptoe |
Feb-17-07 03:07 AM |
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And in answer to my premature question: "Does Fitz' report...to anyone in AG Office?"...from #110: |
tiptoe |
Feb-17-07 05:20 AM |
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Wait, So That Melodramatic All Caps Header And Rambling Body All Came Down To "Cause I Think So"??? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-13-07 04:54 PM |
#84 |
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Read it again. |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 05:01 PM |
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No Thanks. I Wasted Enough Time Already Reading It The First Time. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Feb-13-07 05:07 PM |
#91 |
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Yours, by contrast, are non-existent. Same as it ever was. |
Jim Sagle |
Feb-13-07 11:31 PM |
#139 |
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Perhaps the handle of the OP |
Patsy Stone |
Feb-13-07 06:51 PM |
#125 |
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I see but... |
JackRiddler |
Feb-13-07 05:00 PM |
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Or alternatively, attack Iraq, then shitcan Fitz - and Cheney stays put. |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 05:06 PM |
#90 |
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Why bother? |
Marie26 |
Feb-13-07 05:07 PM |
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The action would *NOT* happen now. Libby's trial will conclude, with Fitz in charge. |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 05:24 PM |
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There's no indication they're planning to do that |
Marie26 |
Feb-13-07 05:34 PM |
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Yes, they won't fire Fitz in the middle. But once Libby is convicted, no "need" for Fitz to remain |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 05:44 PM |
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Nah |
Marie26 |
Feb-13-07 05:53 PM |
#107 |
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It's not Fitz's grand jury. It's not a special grand jury dedicated solely to Fitz's investigation. |
Garbo 2004 |
Feb-14-07 03:22 AM |
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GJ term expires this April |
Tin Man |
Feb-14-07 08:47 AM |
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Fitzgerald can always use a regular Federal grand jury.... |
Spazito |
Feb-14-07 09:06 AM |
#151 |
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No need to fire Fitzgerald.... |
MilesColtrane |
Feb-13-07 05:11 PM |
#95 |
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Yes, "Plan A" is to sacrifice Libby. What I have described is "Plan B" |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 06:17 PM |
#112 |
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Fitz can't be removed as Special Counsel. |
Independent_Liberal |
Feb-13-07 06:08 PM |
#110 |
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I remember the outrage when Nixon's people fucked with the justice system |
antifaschits |
Feb-13-07 06:17 PM |
#111 |
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yeah, then Conyers will appoint him special prosecuter |
AZDemDist6 |
Feb-13-07 06:20 PM |
#115 |
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Just want to add a comment on the Comey letter, and any reliance on a |
Peace Patriot |
Feb-13-07 06:37 PM |
#119 |
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"We live in a bubble of Bush facism" |
agincourt |
Feb-14-07 12:35 AM |
#141 |
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I love it.. |
sendero |
Feb-13-07 06:48 PM |
#122 |
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The most important thing on their agenda is to make a last gasp |
higher class |
Feb-13-07 07:51 PM |
#131 |
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Did you go with TIN MAN just so that people would give you |
BuyingThyme |
Feb-13-07 08:12 PM |
#133 |
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ROTFLMAO !!! |
Tin Man |
Feb-13-07 08:18 PM |
#134 |
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Tin Man, you are scaring me big time... |
derby378 |
Feb-13-07 08:22 PM |
#135 |
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That is what I have been afraid of. They will not let anyone do the |
jwirr |
Feb-13-07 09:12 PM |
#136 |
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I would imagine that the Congress wouldn't roll over for that. |
Vinnie From Indy |
Feb-13-07 09:41 PM |
#138 |
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this IS the most corrupt administration in history, right? |
Stephanie |
Feb-14-07 12:42 AM |
#142 |
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"The Man" speaks the truth as to the intentions of the "evil doers" |
autorank |
Feb-14-07 01:43 AM |
#143 |
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Hmm, sounds complicated |
ProudDad |
Feb-14-07 01:43 AM |
#144 |
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Totally vile, and completely logical. |
Edweird |
Feb-14-07 03:03 AM |
#145 |
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Looks like people need to actually read legislation... |
GreenEyedLefty |
Feb-14-07 07:42 AM |
#149 |
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Great post Tin Man |
bobbie |
Feb-14-07 10:47 AM |
#152 |
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So, do they dismiss him now, during the Libby trial, or afterwards? |
leveymg |
Feb-14-07 02:49 PM |
#153 |
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