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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 01:45 AM
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64. You are seeing this
from a safe place with your insurance policy in your pocket. There are a lot of low income people who have no way of paying for the expensive pills or patches to help them beat their addiction and they are paying for this too out of their meager budget.

You are paying for cardiac and blood pressure problems for people who are overweight and complications of diabetics who can't stay on their diets to keep their sugars in line. You are paying for people with illnesses that have a genetic component as well as kids in risky school sports that get injured.

What do you suggest be done about them so you don't have to help society by forking out a few more bucks? Should all these people be fined too? Are you for financing antismoking clinics for these poor people who can't afford it? Then when the funds dry up the program will be cut back. We will be right back where we started. I like to think of us all being in this together as a society as opposed to just myself.
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  -A note to smokers. Kajsa  Oct-04-07 10:06 AM   #0 
  - Getting to universal health care is not going to be a battle . . .  MrModerate   Oct-04-07 10:15 AM   #1 
  - What I don't get is ...  frazzled   Oct-04-07 10:22 AM   #2 
  - That's how my wife sees it...  Mythsaje   Oct-04-07 10:52 AM   #8 
  - Best Post On This Subject EVER !!!  WillyT   Oct-04-07 09:19 PM   #59 
     - It truly bothers me deeply.  Mythsaje   Oct-05-07 03:15 AM   #72 
     - one problem with that  reggie the dog   Oct-05-07 03:55 AM   #73 
        - They may call it a weed  Mythsaje   Oct-05-07 04:00 AM   #75 
        - true  reggie the dog   Oct-05-07 04:23 AM   #80 
           - So go into business then. Dealers should unionize.  RandomKoolzip   Oct-05-07 09:09 AM   #90 
              - not yet  reggie the dog   Oct-05-07 05:55 PM   #97 
        - eh, just they'd just make it illegal to grow your own.  Maine-ah   Oct-05-07 04:37 AM   #82 
           - doh!  reggie the dog   Oct-05-07 04:44 AM   #83 
     - i think jon stewart said the poor kids will have to start smoking to fund  orleans   Oct-05-07 11:59 AM   #93 
  - No drug dealer wants their clientele to quit--they charge as much as they think the addict can pay  Romulox   Oct-04-07 02:51 PM   #20 
  - interesting  reggie the dog   Oct-05-07 04:46 AM   #84 
  - also  reggie the dog   Oct-05-07 04:50 AM   #85 
  - Nope, nope, you raise the tax, fund the program  CreekDog   Oct-04-07 03:18 PM   #24 
  - More Black Marketing  KharmaTrain   Oct-04-07 05:46 PM   #45 
  - re: taxing cigs  Maine-ah   Oct-04-07 10:29 AM   #3 
  - It's less about smoking than it is about a REGRESSIVE excise tax.  TahitiNut   Oct-04-07 04:01 PM   #40 
  - Attention Smokers:  Danieljay   Oct-04-07 10:29 AM   #4 
  - Obesity is the number one  Mojorabbit   Oct-04-07 11:26 AM   #9 
  - I totally agree, AND we need to ask ourselves as a person what personal choices we can make  Danieljay   Oct-04-07 03:04 PM   #22 
     - Agreed but legislating to try to change  Breeze54   Oct-04-07 03:28 PM   # 
     - I think you fail to realize, quiting smoking is perhaps harder than most hardcore narcotics....  ShaneGR   Oct-04-07 04:52 PM   #41 
     - The addiction list goes like this...  Juniperx   Oct-04-07 06:21 PM   #48 
        - sugar carbs  reggie the dog   Oct-05-07 04:01 AM   #76 
           - But you get REAL food in France  Juniperx   Oct-05-07 01:17 PM   #95 
     - I agree  reggie the dog   Oct-05-07 03:58 AM   #74 
  - Then where will SCHIP funding come from?  Kajsa   Oct-04-07 11:50 AM   #12 
  - the billions of dollars that are saved by not treating smoking related illnesses  Danieljay   Oct-04-07 01:03 PM   #16 
     - The funding is coming from a tax on tobacco.  Kajsa   Oct-04-07 01:54 PM   #18 
     - well, we can cross that bridge if a miracle should occur and people stop smoking..  Danieljay   Oct-04-07 02:48 PM   #19 
     - Don't be so pragmatic...the OP has a "theoretical" dispute with you  alcibiades_mystery   Oct-04-07 03:31 PM   #35 
     - The Energizer Bunny is back, again!  Kajsa   Oct-04-07 08:47 PM   #50 
        - I'll pretend I know what you're talking about and just smile  alcibiades_mystery   Oct-04-07 11:23 PM   #61 
     - You won't be paying anything for SCHIP  Kajsa   Oct-04-07 08:51 PM   #51 
     - Savings from smoke related illness will be less burden on Medicare  CreekDog   Oct-04-07 03:20 PM   #25 
     - Obesity Driving Rising U.S. Health Costs -- by 75% more than smoking, alcohol or the elderly!!  Breeze54   Oct-04-07 03:31 PM   #34 
  - As a proud ex-smoker...  Juniperx   Oct-04-07 01:07 PM   #17 
  - Wow, as long as you continue to blame others (external locus of control) for your cigarette cravings  Danieljay   Oct-04-07 02:56 PM   #21 
     - What you said is rude  Juniperx   Oct-04-07 03:13 PM   #23 
     - You have every right to consider it rude. But let me tell you what I think is rude:  Danieljay   Oct-04-07 03:23 PM   #27 
        - The next time someone driving an SUV tells me that smoking  coalition_unwilling   Oct-04-07 03:32 PM   #36 
        - I'm all for that too, so you can't call me a hypocrit. So, put a filter on the exit end of your  Danieljay   Oct-04-07 07:13 PM   #49 
        - Two wrongs never make a right...  Juniperx   Oct-04-07 05:17 PM   #42 
        - how is it rude?  reggie the dog   Oct-05-07 04:10 AM   #78 
           - Just because something is true, it's no reason to blurt it out  Juniperx   Oct-05-07 05:02 PM   #96 
        - I agree with you  reggie the dog   Oct-05-07 04:06 AM   #77 
           - That's your wife  Juniperx   Oct-05-07 07:53 PM   #98 
     - Could you be any more of a  BlackVelvet04   Oct-04-07 05:42 PM   #44 
        - LOL! I'm expecting GREAT things from that one:) eom  Juniperx   Oct-04-07 06:17 PM   #47 
  - I've never been a smoker, and I agree it smells like a dog's ass. Lung cancer killed my dad.  impeachdubya   Oct-05-07 02:20 AM   #68 
  - Us poor pot smokers would loved to be regulated, taxed  mdmc   Oct-04-07 10:31 AM   #5 
  - I agree.  Kajsa   Oct-04-07 11:47 AM   #11 
  - Yeah, I was about to suggest  shimmergal   Oct-05-07 01:53 AM   #65 
  - Why would I want to be taxed on a plant?  Wcross   Oct-05-07 11:53 AM   #92 
  - I Roll my own now....  Bennyboy   Oct-04-07 10:38 AM   #6 
  - I also switched from chemical to natural, pre-rolled to roll my own with filters  me b zola   Oct-04-07 11:42 AM   #10 
  - I started smoking (again) about a year and a half ago....  Bennyboy   Oct-04-07 11:57 AM   #15 
  - Wow, organic smoking  CreekDog   Oct-04-07 03:21 PM   #26 
  - What tobacco brand?  A HERETIC I AM   Oct-04-07 03:29 PM   #32 
     - My two favorites when I rolled were Drum and Pearl shag.  Gregorian   Oct-05-07 11:49 AM   #91 
  - I would like to point out that many excise taxes do not regularly adjust for inflation  wuushew   Oct-04-07 10:44 AM   #7 
  - EDIT- " money coming from"  Kajsa   Oct-04-07 11:53 AM   #13 
  - I'll keep smoking  Prophet 451   Oct-04-07 11:56 AM   #14 
  - Thanks Kajsa!! I'll be  Breeze54   Oct-04-07 03:25 PM   #28 
  - Hey, Breeze54 !  Kajsa   Oct-04-07 08:55 PM   #52 
  - nonsmokers have been financing smokers' health care for years.  lwfern   Oct-04-07 03:26 PM   #29 
  - Amen!  Danieljay   Oct-04-07 03:28 PM   #31 
  - This is about smokers funding EVERYONE's Health Care and that's BS!  Breeze54   Oct-04-07 03:33 PM   #37 
  - It's not EVERYONE's health care, but you knew that  lwfern   Oct-04-07 06:15 PM   #46 
     - And you think it will stop there?  Breeze54   Oct-05-07 01:20 AM   #62 
  - Non-SUV drivers have been inhaling the exhaust of SUV drivers  coalition_unwilling   Oct-04-07 03:35 PM   #38 
  - NOT TRUE! Smokers pay higher insurance premiums.  johnaries   Oct-04-07 09:14 PM   #58 
  - I haven't made any false statements.  lwfern   Oct-04-07 09:39 PM   #60 
     - When I started smoking, the vast majority of Americans smoked.  johnaries   Oct-05-07 01:32 AM   #63 
     - wow  reggie the dog   Oct-05-07 04:16 AM   #79 
     - 33 pages of insurers that don't charge smokers extra  lwfern   Oct-05-07 05:52 AM   #87 
     - You are seeing this  Mojorabbit   Oct-05-07 01:45 AM   #64 
        - I think we're in agreement  lwfern   Oct-05-07 05:38 AM   #86 
  - And thin people have been financing fat peoples' health for years.  impeachdubya   Oct-05-07 02:34 AM   #69 
  - Tax churches instead /nt  ProgressiveFool   Oct-04-07 03:27 PM   #30 
  - I can dig it.  ThePowerofWill   Oct-04-07 03:31 PM   #33 
  - Welcome to DU, ThePowerofWill,  Kajsa   Oct-04-07 08:58 PM   #54 
  - A Case Went Before The SC A While Back Regarding Writers  Me.   Oct-04-07 03:44 PM   #39 
  - That is interesting.  Kajsa   Oct-04-07 09:04 PM   #55 
     - You know, the problem is---  shimmergal   Oct-05-07 02:08 AM   #66 
        - That is a problem.  Kajsa   Oct-05-07 09:06 AM   #89 
  - Enhanced perspective.  riverdeep   Oct-04-07 05:35 PM   #43 
  - Thanks, Riverdeep.  Kajsa   Oct-04-07 09:09 PM   #57 
  - Finally, a smoking thread on DU  toddaa   Oct-04-07 08:57 PM   #53 
  - LOL!  Kajsa   Oct-04-07 09:05 PM   #56 
  - Here's an idea: Tell 'em they should legalize pot, and use THOSE taxes too.  impeachdubya   Oct-05-07 02:14 AM   #67 
  - I'll try to smoke more for the children,  Beerboy   Oct-05-07 03:02 AM   #70 
  - As a smoker, I have no problem at all with the proposed tax.  travelingtypist   Oct-05-07 03:08 AM   #71 
  - Higher taxes on booze is definitely worth looking into,  Beerboy   Oct-05-07 04:26 AM   #81 
     - How about Soft Drinks?  Enthusiast   Oct-05-07 05:57 AM   #88 
  - Shouldn't everyone be contributing to children's health care?  orleans   Oct-05-07 12:05 PM   #94 
 

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