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The best trick the GOP ever pulled: getting leftists to blame the Democrats for bad GOP policies
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Edited on Wed Oct-03-07 01:54 PM by jpgray
The genius of this lie, as in most GOP PR endeavors, is its pleasing resemblance to the truth. And, of course, the tantalizing simplicity of exclusive, black-or-white thinking created by that lie is intoxicating. People don't like to think in grey areas, they prefer right or wrong, they label heroes and villains. Defining a group based on extreme behavior from a minority is hardly progressive, but it's too tempting to resist. Thus, with a few helpful marketing pushes, people are easily manipulated. Leftists are easily tricked into blaming bad policies on the party who opposed them most. How does this happen?

A minority of conservative/hawkish Democrats exists, and they enable the worst GOP policies. This is the ugly truth from which the GOP creates their productive lie. Focus on that problem is necessary, but at some point this focus has obliterated another operant truth: the core of any serious opposition to the worst GOP policies -always- comes from the Democrats. Who were the twenty-three senators opposed to IWR? Who pushed the investigation of Blackwater? Which party was most represented in opposition to the Lieberman/Kyl amendment? In nearly every case you can imagine, wherever a significant group of legislators opposes fascist policy, the majority of congresspeople defending our values will be Democrats. The majority of those consistently trying to -destroy- our values will always be Republicans.

So when exactly did we decide that a minority of ambitious, enabling cowards defined the entire party? How did the worst people in the party come to represent "Democratic" while a similar number of solid progressives in the party are ignored, or viewed as an aberration? And who benefits? Who has something to gain from having a small group of truly craven, spineless, unethical Democrats define the only party with a considerable number of true progressives?

I shouldn't need to answer that question. Republicans know the value of splitting the progressive vote well--witness their gleeful funding of Nader's campaigns.

So when you're yelling "Fuck the Democrats--they are nothing more than fascist-enablers and I can't vote for such a party," ask yourself to think specifically instead of generally. Is Al Gore a fascist enabler? Is Russ Feingold? Is Dennis Kucinich? Is John Conyers or Henry Waxman? Were the twenty-three senators opposed to the IWR fascist enablers? Were the nineteen opposed to Lieberman/Kyl fascist enablers? If no, you have to admit a significant percentage of the Democrats is -not- to be blamed for GOP bad policies, and in fact the Democrats can be credited with mounting the -only- significant opposition to those policies.

So again, who benefits when the only party that represents consistent opposition to the GOP gets blamed for their horrible policies? And why are leftists so eager to engage in broad-brush blaming of the entire party? Why make an uglier lie out of an already ugly truth?
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  -The best trick the GOP ever pulled: getting leftists to blame the Democrats for bad GOP policies jpgray  Oct-03-07 01:53 PM   #0 
  - Right on ...  NanceGreggs   Oct-03-07 02:04 PM   #1 
  - Because leftists don't want to just shut up until Nov 2008 and take it.  Kagemusha   Oct-03-07 02:05 PM   #2 
  - I blame the Democrats who vote with/enable the Republicans.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Oct-03-07 02:05 PM   #3 
  - Amen! While our "opposition" party is far from perfect...  TreasonousBastard   Oct-03-07 02:08 PM   #4 
  - Succinctly stated and,...true.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-03-07 02:28 PM   #21 
  - True according to you. That would be an "opinion."  Raster   Oct-03-07 02:35 PM   #26 
     - Yup. It is true to me. That's truth enough. nt  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-03-07 02:37 PM   #27 
  - Right now there is no opposition party. But I agree, we need to take back the dem party  robinlynne   Oct-03-07 04:10 PM   #73 
  - The first step in "repairing" it  OzarkDem   Oct-03-07 04:40 PM   #84 
  - I'm WAITING FOR opposition  ProudDad   Oct-05-07 12:37 AM   #103 
  - Now that we control Congress, every piece of bad legislation the direct fault of the Dem Leadership  tritsofme   Oct-03-07 02:08 PM   #5 
  - That's the way I see it  Nite Owl   Oct-03-07 02:28 PM   #22 
  - Sshh!!! You're not supposed to bring that up... It interferes with the GO TEAM GO bullshit!  Raster   Oct-03-07 02:31 PM   #23 
  - ....  sniffa   Oct-03-07 02:37 PM   #28 
  - Indeed.  lateo   Oct-05-07 11:47 AM   #112 
  - That's fair enough. Do you think the fractured nature of the party influences the leadership?  jpgray   Oct-03-07 03:19 PM   #48 
     - It's the ones with large piles of CASH  ProudDad   Oct-05-07 12:38 AM   #104 
  - So my team is right no matter what  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-03-07 02:11 PM   #6 
  - quiet you  sniffa   Oct-03-07 02:13 PM   #8 
  - There is some truth to that  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-03-07 02:18 PM   #14 
     - It's interesting to hear this  Oak2004   Oct-05-07 04:25 PM   #118 
  - I guess brown shirts are ok as long as their our brown shirts.  mod mom   Oct-03-07 02:46 PM   #32 
  - But we have a better taste in tailor for the brown shirts  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-03-07 03:02 PM   #37 
  - I came here as an activist to get the word out about a Fight for Democracy Rally  mod mom   Oct-03-07 03:15 PM   #44 
  - Well said, the cancer is the DLC  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-03-07 03:23 PM   #51 
     - Your posts, as well as Understanding Life's, Octafish, Seemslikeadream and others  mod mom   Oct-03-07 03:48 PM   #64 
        - Strategy is still a matter of course.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-03-07 04:01 PM   #70 
           - Given how much the DLC shares  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-03-07 04:04 PM   #71 
           - Can we be more specific than merely "DLC" because I have seen members,...  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-03-07 05:19 PM   #86 
              - It's been done before  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-05-07 01:16 AM   #110 
           - I never suggested allowing a GOP candidate to win. I am suggested that GOP and DLC  mod mom   Oct-03-07 09:24 PM   #92 
              - I'm sorry. I never intended to accuse you of that. You are NOT that.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-04-07 06:03 PM   #93 
  - Oops...dupe.  mod mom   Oct-03-07 03:15 PM   #45 
  - Spot on. It's a difficult issue to addresss...  Union Thug   Oct-03-07 03:29 PM   #53 
     - We may be in the midst of a perfect storm  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-03-07 03:42 PM   #61 
     - You make a good point.  Union Thug   Oct-03-07 03:52 PM   #66 
     - It's actually MILLIONS  ProudDad   Oct-05-07 12:41 AM   #105 
     - We "feel betrayed" because we were betrayed.  mod mom   Oct-03-07 04:13 PM   #76 
     - OH '04 + party silence. I was a former straight party voter, but now I'd rather  mod mom   Oct-03-07 04:11 PM   #75 
        - I principle, I agree with you. But the futility of the act is  Union Thug   Oct-03-07 04:35 PM   #82 
  - Who are you talking to? I've said none of this.  jpgray   Oct-03-07 03:12 PM   #42 
     - When you edited the OP it helped to clarify the message  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-03-07 03:40 PM   #59 
  - Looks to me like  MuseRider   Oct-03-07 02:12 PM   #7 
  - bingo  sniffa   Oct-03-07 02:14 PM   #9 
     - Ahh give it time  MuseRider   Oct-03-07 02:28 PM   #20 
  - Read Marx  Zensea   Oct-03-07 02:15 PM   #10 
  - A great activist and political thinker, Marx, but not the best strategist  jpgray   Oct-03-07 03:08 PM   #40 
  - Agreed  Zensea   Oct-03-07 03:20 PM   #49 
  - Being a good strategist in a corrupt system  ProudDad   Oct-05-07 12:43 AM   #106 
  - Not A Very Good Fit With The Present Sitiation, Mr. Zensea  The Magistrate   Oct-05-07 12:22 PM   #113 
     - How is it not a fit then?  Zensea   Oct-05-07 02:17 PM   #114 
        - Those People Are Not Revolutionists, Sir  The Magistrate   Oct-05-07 03:02 PM   #115 
           - That's why I put revolutionists in quotes  Zensea   Oct-05-07 03:21 PM   #117 
  - The 2nd best was getting Democrats like you to refer to liberals as "leftists".  Beelzebud   Oct-03-07 02:16 PM   #11 
  - No kidding!  MuseRider   Oct-03-07 02:25 PM   #19 
  - Yikes! I never even thought about that. Most liberals are NOT "leftists".  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-03-07 02:31 PM   #24 
  - What nonsense. Check out TahitiNut's political compass thread. We -are- leftists  jpgray   Oct-03-07 03:00 PM   #35 
     - NO!!! I AM NOT A "LEFTIST"!!!! I AM NOT AS EXTREME AS THE RIGHT WING!!!!  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-03-07 03:08 PM   #39 
        - Yes, those violent destructive leftists in Sandinavia really bear out your theory  jpgray   Oct-03-07 03:10 PM   #41 
           - Standard english vocabulary. Who LABELED them "leftist"?  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-03-07 03:18 PM   #47 
              - "Left," according to the OED, is a catch-all term for socialists, communists, and liberals  jpgray   Oct-03-07 03:24 PM   #52 
                 - That is way too broad and an all-consuming deft vulnerable to attack by anyone.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-03-07 03:36 PM   #56 
                    - Why are you letting the right-wing marketing machine redefine a word's 200 year-old meaning for you?  jpgray   Oct-03-07 03:38 PM   #57 
                    - HUH? UH, I came AFTER the age of reason and am capable of distinction, whereas,...  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-03-07 03:51 PM   #65 
                    - Here are some radicals you may be familiar  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-03-07 03:54 PM   #68 
                       - NONE OF WHOM OWNED A BRAIN-WASHING VEHICLE (the media)!!! It is a different age.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-03-07 04:13 PM   #77 
                       - They didn't have a brain washing media?  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-03-07 04:27 PM   #80 
                          - I have no problem, whatsoever, with how you choose to identify yourself.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-03-07 05:28 PM   #87 
                       - btw I am repulsed by the attempt to shut me down with your final accusation "round these parts".  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-03-07 04:19 PM   #78 
  - If the congress backs his policies or allows his crimes,  mmonk   Oct-03-07 02:16 PM   #12 
  - yup. now we are responsible for the war, state of health care etc.  lionesspriyanka   Oct-03-07 02:17 PM   #13 
  - Sorry, but the leader of the corporatist Dems has been anointed as our candidate...  Romulox   Oct-03-07 02:19 PM   #15 
  - but she has not won yet  hfojvt   Oct-03-07 02:39 PM   #30 
  - K & R n/t  Zandor   Oct-03-07 02:20 PM   #16 
  - The best trick was turning the Democratic leadership against its Base.  The Stranger   Oct-03-07 02:21 PM   #17 
  - Unfortunately they seem to have PLENTY of collaborators.  Raster   Oct-03-07 02:32 PM   #25 
  - "they have plenty"???? Examples?????? eom  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-03-07 02:38 PM   #29 
     - more than half of the senate dems voted against the moveon ad. same with war funding.  robinlynne   Oct-03-07 04:11 PM   #74 
        - Why are you responding? Are you acting in stead of the poster I asked? nt  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-03-07 04:21 PM   #79 
           - because this is a conversation. a forum to discuss progressive politics. that is what we do.  robinlynne   Oct-03-07 04:35 PM   #81 
              - Is "democratic" speaking on another's behalf without election to do so?  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-03-07 05:14 PM   #85 
  - Which Democrats? How many? All of them? Should those Democrats define the party?  jpgray   Oct-03-07 03:39 PM   #58 
  - They, uh, kinda' operate like that devil they "say" they battle, huh.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-03-07 02:25 PM   #18 
  - But it's the party of slavery lovers and war mongerers...  Virginia Dare   Oct-03-07 02:41 PM   #31 
  - When they stand up for me...  ljm2002   Oct-03-07 02:53 PM   #33 
  - Some of them -are- standing up for you. Some of them aren't.  jpgray   Oct-03-07 03:16 PM   #46 
     - Did you miss the part...  ljm2002   Oct-03-07 03:46 PM   #63 
  - Do the Democrats want leftists to VOTE for them, or not?  Lilith Velkor   Oct-03-07 02:56 PM   #34 
  - thought not a perfect fit, this thread reminds me of my other thread  Lerkfish   Oct-03-07 03:02 PM   #36 
  - There is no call to blind loyalty or criticism censorship in this thread. Yet I'm accused of such.  jpgray   Oct-03-07 03:03 PM   #38 
  - If your intentions are true, no need to invest in either of those criticisms.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-03-07 03:12 PM   #43 
  - Hear! Hear!  Husb2Sparkly   Oct-03-07 03:23 PM   #50 
  - Do you have any links (other than this rediculous OP)  ProudDad   Oct-05-07 12:50 AM   #107 
  - I don't blame the Dems  GTRMAN   Oct-03-07 03:32 PM   #54 
  - Absolutely. Every reasonable person has this viewpoint  jpgray   Oct-03-07 03:33 PM   #55 
     - that's a tough choice  GTRMAN   Oct-03-07 03:41 PM   #60 
     - Maybe, one is "imperfect" while the other is "destructive".  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-03-07 03:43 PM   #62 
  - They figure it's worth a shot ...  lpbk2713   Oct-03-07 03:54 PM   #67 
  - "So when exactly did we decide that a minority of ambitious, enabling cowards defined the entire  Skidmore   Oct-03-07 04:00 PM   #69 
  - Here's the problem with your analysis: the facts. If it were only a minority of  robinlynne   Oct-03-07 04:09 PM   #72 
  - DLC Dems stick close to GOP in policy and talking points  OzarkDem   Oct-03-07 04:35 PM   #83 
  - Excellent point  creeksneakers2   Oct-03-07 07:47 PM   #88 
  - Bill Clinton SIGNED INTO LAW- Telecom Act of 96, Defense of Marriage Act, Welfare Reform, Nafta...  QuestionAll   Oct-03-07 07:51 PM   #89 
  - Democrats blaming everyone but their own pro-Republican votes...  JackRiddler   Oct-03-07 08:28 PM   #90 
  - "How does this happen?"  ulysses   Oct-03-07 09:02 PM   #91 
  - Check this shit out  ProudDad   Oct-05-07 12:56 AM   #108 
  - THANKS Blackwater USAs Creepy Freeper Erik Prince donated to the Greens.  L. Coyote   Oct-04-07 06:20 PM   #94 
  - K & R  L. Coyote   Oct-04-07 07:34 PM   #95 
  - Kick for the evening.  L. Coyote   Oct-04-07 11:41 PM   #100 
  - Getting the Dem leadership to do whatever they say  shadowknows69   Oct-04-07 07:39 PM   #96 
  - I disagree. I don't blame the Democrats for bad GOP policies at all.  Totally Committed   Oct-04-07 07:39 PM   #97 
  - The best trick the DLC ever pulled:  stimbox   Oct-04-07 07:51 PM   #98 
  - I think the getting "Democrats" to carry water for them trick was much more impressive  JVS   Oct-04-07 07:52 PM   #99 
  - best GOP trick? The DLC!  western mass   Oct-05-07 12:22 AM   #101 
  - Give it a fucking rest... You right-wing Dems  ProudDad   Oct-05-07 12:36 AM   #102 
  - Thanks Dad!  Raster   Oct-05-07 11:05 AM   #111 
  - LOL!  Swamp Rat   Oct-05-07 01:11 AM   #109 
  - Amen, amen, amen! Can I get a witness?  JNelson6563   Oct-05-07 03:04 PM   #116 
  - I seriously believe some of those 'blue dog' DLC types are GOP infiltrators  angstlessk   Oct-05-07 05:13 PM   #119 

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