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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 02:08 PM
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  -The fact is the president who does withdraw our troops from Iraq is conceding defeat NNN0LHI  Sep-30-07 01:31 PM   #0 
  - Not a fact at all, and thanks for promoting the reich-wing frame.  greyhound1966   Sep-30-07 01:35 PM   #1 
  - If the military won as in "Mission Accomplished" when did the Iraqis concede defeat?  NNN0LHI   Sep-30-07 01:38 PM   #3 
     - When Saddam didn't show up for work.  dkofos   Sep-30-07 01:45 PM   # 
     - When did we go to war against Iraqis??  Ghost in the Machine   Sep-30-07 01:54 PM   #14 
     - On March 20, 2003 at approximately 02:30 UTC n/t  NNN0LHI   Sep-30-07 02:39 PM   #37 
        - Wrong answer. We went in to remove Saddam and to fight Al Qaeda  Ghost in the Machine   Sep-30-07 07:55 PM   #51 
           - Where at and on what date was the cease-fire agreement signed between the combatants?  NNN0LHI   Sep-30-07 08:13 PM   #52 
              - Where and on what date did Congress sign a Declaration of War against Iraqis?  Ghost in the Machine   Sep-30-07 09:00 PM   #53 
                 - **crickets**  Ghost in the Machine   Oct-01-07 07:38 AM   #56 
     - Apparently you miss quite a bit. After we defeated the Iraqi military we disbanded it. n/t  greyhound1966   Sep-30-07 01:56 PM   #15 
        - Historically wars have ended when the loser sues for peace  NNN0LHI   Sep-30-07 02:34 PM   #34 
           - Again, you missed some pretty important news. We had a chance for peace,  greyhound1966   Oct-01-07 01:54 AM   #54 
  - Wouldn't be the first time.  PetrusMonsFormicarum   Sep-30-07 01:36 PM   #2 
  - And if the Democrats could frame sh!t, they could pull it off.  sfexpat2000   Sep-30-07 01:38 PM   #4 
  - Bing-go. n/t  quiet.american   Sep-30-07 01:40 PM   #6 
  - It's so awful when you realize what is really happening.  sfexpat2000   Sep-30-07 01:48 PM   #13 
  - East Timor. n/t  greyhound1966   Sep-30-07 01:58 PM   #16 
     - Yes.  sfexpat2000   Sep-30-07 02:01 PM   #19 
        - We suck, and all because we are rules by corporations/ruling class. n/t  greyhound1966   Sep-30-07 02:03 PM   #20 
  - Then we were defeated as soon as we invaded.  baldguy   Sep-30-07 01:40 PM   #5 
  - Not necessarily  NNN0LHI   Sep-30-07 01:46 PM   #12 
     - I know what you mean. This really  asjr   Sep-30-07 02:16 PM   #27 
        - We need to concentrate on the next generation of Iraqis  NNN0LHI   Sep-30-07 02:27 PM   #29 
           - Win their hearts & minds?  baldguy   Sep-30-07 02:38 PM   #36 
              - More like kiss their asses  NNN0LHI   Sep-30-07 02:45 PM   #40 
  - Yep.  aquart   Sep-30-07 01:41 PM   #7 
  - But it can be framed as cleaning up after Mr. Danger.  sfexpat2000   Sep-30-07 01:45 PM   #10 
  - Well, hardly a few thousand "dead enders." According to a government poll  Benhurst   Sep-30-07 01:43 PM   #8 
  - The last figure I heard on the radio a couple of days ago was 85% want us to leave. n/t  greyhound1966   Sep-30-07 02:01 PM   #18 
  - No, that's not true at all.  MADem   Sep-30-07 01:44 PM   #9 
  - Thank you. n/t  sfexpat2000   Sep-30-07 01:46 PM   #11 
  - admitting bu$h* fucked up, not defeat.  spanone   Sep-30-07 01:58 PM   #17 
  - That's what I liked about Biden's answer in NH debate - he put it all on Bush and  blm   Sep-30-07 02:05 PM   #22 
  - Hmmm...  golddigger   Sep-30-07 02:04 PM   #21 
  - that s right..iraq kicked our ass, deservedly so....  scarface2004   Sep-30-07 02:06 PM   #23 
  - jYou are right on point. It has been setup so Dems take the fall  OHdem10   Sep-30-07 02:08 PM   #24 
  - courage  JVS   Sep-30-07 02:08 PM   #25 
  - Nice "Apoc. Now" ref NN0LHI  shadowknows69   Sep-30-07 02:10 PM   #26 
  - I think even the least politically-wired people are smarter than you,  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Sep-30-07 02:24 PM   #28 
  - I disagree. Don is just saying the premise that the Democratic leadership  sfexpat2000   Sep-30-07 02:28 PM   #30 
     - Good. I'm glad I misunderstood it. And I used to be puzzled by the  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Sep-30-07 02:34 PM   #33 
     - We all are.  sfexpat2000   Sep-30-07 02:35 PM   #35 
     - Are you sure? n/t  greyhound1966   Oct-01-07 02:02 AM   #55 
        - About Don or about the strategy?  sfexpat2000   Oct-01-07 10:23 AM   #57 
           - The strategy, but both.  greyhound1966   Oct-01-07 11:13 AM   #58 
              - Unless I'm misreading (which happens), I don't think so.  sfexpat2000   Oct-01-07 12:51 PM   #59 
  - I don't think that crap plays today like it did four years ago.  renie408   Sep-30-07 02:28 PM   #31 
  - so said the last lemming as it leapt to its death.  Lerkfish   Sep-30-07 02:33 PM   #32 
  - kind of like terrorists conceding defeat when they disband  bigtree   Sep-30-07 02:39 PM   #38 
  - This action was just cover for a corporate grab.  sfexpat2000   Sep-30-07 02:56 PM   #41 
  - No! The president who withdraws the troops, don't have his hand  B Calm   Sep-30-07 02:39 PM   #39 
  - In the words of the late Sen. David Aiken (R-VT)  policypunk   Sep-30-07 02:57 PM   #42 
  - That's how republicans will characterize it. Democrats are scared that the public is stupid...  BlooInBloo   Sep-30-07 02:59 PM   #43 
  - can't they also see that the emperor has no clothes  bigtree   Sep-30-07 03:16 PM   #44 
  - My republican friends say the same thing We can't lose  lovuian   Sep-30-07 03:21 PM   #45 
  - Winning or Losing are concepts dependent upon definitions.  Disturbed   Sep-30-07 03:47 PM   #46 
  - Is this a quote from the Fuhrer? All it says is that Bush was wrong.  L. Coyote   Sep-30-07 03:56 PM   #47 
  - Frame the goal as removing Sadam, remind the world he is dead, declare victory, come home.  ThomWV   Sep-30-07 04:05 PM   #48 
  - I don't think the Iraqis will let us get away with declaring victory  NNN0LHI   Sep-30-07 04:12 PM   #49 
  - We Won the War.  liberalsoldier5   Sep-30-07 04:46 PM   #50 
 

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