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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:51 AM
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12. Then why bother?
If your disillusionment is so profound, why not just hang it up?
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  -A DU recipe for irrelevance jpgray  Sep-30-07 11:35 AM   #0 
  - For all my bitching  Emit   Sep-30-07 11:40 AM   #1 
  - So do I. I view it as a privilege.  emilyg   Sep-30-07 11:45 AM   #5 
  - And a duty!  lonestarnot   Sep-30-07 11:47 AM   #10 
  - Well, bitching is an essential part of participation  jpgray   Sep-30-07 12:57 PM   #26 
     - I bitch about more than just Democrats  Emit   Sep-30-07 01:03 PM   #27 
  - Work hard to elect Democrats  proud2Blib   Sep-30-07 11:42 AM   #2 
  - Yes, anyone who supports Gore, Feingold or Kucinich is just a tool of the system with blinders on  jpgray   Sep-30-07 11:46 AM   #6 
  - Did I miss a "sarcasm" emoticon?  nathan hale   Sep-30-07 02:44 PM   #41 
  - I figured it was unnecessary  jpgray   Sep-30-07 02:46 PM   #43 
     - Thanks.  nathan hale   Sep-30-07 02:57 PM   #46 
  - dupe  jpgray   Sep-30-07 02:45 PM   #42 
  - Then why bother?  cali   Sep-30-07 11:51 AM   #12 
     - Because I have only one country  proud2Blib   Sep-30-07 12:17 PM   #18 
  - The system!! Love it or love it!!  TahitiNut   Sep-30-07 11:43 AM   #3 
  - Yes! Refusing to participate in the system is the way to change it!  jpgray   Sep-30-07 11:46 AM   #8 
     - Yes, and refusing to improve the system is the way to respect participation.  TahitiNut   Sep-30-07 11:49 AM   #11 
        - My argument can't be so scary that people are already making up fantasy interpretations of it  jpgray   Sep-30-07 11:54 AM   #14 
           - Only in your dreams  TahitiNut   Sep-30-07 12:28 PM   #19 
              - If you refuse to participate in the system, you can't expect the system to value your views  jpgray   Sep-30-07 12:45 PM   #22 
                 - I am NOT responsible for the (predicted) votes of others. I'm responsible for my own.  TahitiNut   Sep-30-07 01:04 PM   #29 
                    - You see your delicate sensibilities as more important than a woman's right to choose?  jpgray   Sep-30-07 01:13 PM   #30 
                       - Again, you proclaim "You're either with us or you're with the terrorists!"  TahitiNut   Sep-30-07 01:17 PM   #31 
                          - Why do you keep putting words in my mouth? My questions can't be that terrifying.  jpgray   Sep-30-07 01:22 PM   #32 
                          - You're sounding ineducable.  TahitiNut   Sep-30-07 01:34 PM   #34 
                             - I'm asking you to consider the practical effect of those "morals," and you don't have an answer  jpgray   Sep-30-07 01:36 PM   #36 
                                - Nonsense.  TahitiNut   Sep-30-07 01:44 PM   #37 
                                   - Ah, what beautiful projection  jpgray   Sep-30-07 01:54 PM   #38 
                                      - When you don't vote your values, you'll NEVER see those values prevail.  TahitiNut   Sep-30-07 02:13 PM   #39 
                                         - Bush and Cheney are in tune with -your- philsophy: "Never compromise, and damn the practical effect"  jpgray   Sep-30-07 02:40 PM   #40 
                                            - That's delusional.  TahitiNut   Sep-30-07 03:40 PM   #57 
                                               - Absolute moralism without regard for its effects is sociopathic. You share that trait with Bush  jpgray   Sep-30-07 04:04 PM   #62 
                          - I can't help but throw my two cents in...  dajoki   Oct-01-07 12:05 PM   #69 
  - I thought the rule is:  Tuesday Afternoon   Sep-30-07 11:43 AM   #4 
  - that's how i see it  kagehime   Sep-30-07 12:35 PM   #21 
  - Apathy sucks ass.  lonestarnot   Sep-30-07 11:46 AM   #7 
  - On the money  Traps   Sep-30-07 11:47 AM   #9 
  - Holding asshole pols to a high standard is key, but the worst asshole always needs to lose  jpgray   Sep-30-07 12:14 PM   #17 
  - and of course, if those who disagree with the *candidate of the month*  Donnachaidh   Sep-30-07 11:52 AM   #13 
  - You'll have to direct me to the part of my argument that says criticism should be outlawed  jpgray   Sep-30-07 11:56 AM   #15 
  - There's a candidate of the month?  lonestarnot   Sep-30-07 11:59 AM   #16 
  - I've voted in every election...  ljm2002   Sep-30-07 12:33 PM   #20 
  - didja see Will Pitt's thread?  bigtree   Sep-30-07 12:47 PM   #23 
  - That's the whole third-party mentality.  Fierce   Sep-30-07 12:52 PM   #24 
  - Amen,  sufrommich   Sep-30-07 12:54 PM   #25 
  - Spot on, my brother n/t  Kelly Rupert   Sep-30-07 01:03 PM   #28 
  - The votes of the left are available. If the candidates don't want them, so be it.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-30-07 01:27 PM   #33 
  - But then the practical effect of the Leftist vote is to enable the GOP  jpgray   Sep-30-07 01:35 PM   #35 
     - Then it's kind of self-defeating not to pursue the votes of the left.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-30-07 02:58 PM   #47 
        - If the stakes weren't so high, I would agree with you. But we can't have another GOP president  jpgray   Sep-30-07 03:02 PM   #48 
           - We disagree.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-30-07 03:13 PM   #51 
              - I'm sorry. A GOP president would have an extremely negative impact on millions of people  jpgray   Sep-30-07 03:18 PM   #52 
                 - I'm not trying to convince you to.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Sep-30-07 03:19 PM   #53 
  - Bingo!  philosophie_en_rose   Sep-30-07 02:51 PM   #44 
  - This Place Is Sure Gonna Be Lonely A Year From Now  KharmaTrain   Sep-30-07 02:55 PM   #45 
  - Say it, say it, say it again .......  ronnykmarshall   Sep-30-07 03:24 PM   #55 
  - If the game is rigged, my conscience tells me that to play along is to  burythehatchet   Sep-30-07 03:04 PM   #49 
  - And if the outcome of that game imapcts millions of lives? Your conscience is mum on that?  jpgray   Sep-30-07 03:12 PM   #50 
     - You are entitled to your beliefs,  burythehatchet   Sep-30-07 03:24 PM   #54 
        - Fair enough, but most of politics is choosing the better of two bad options  jpgray   Sep-30-07 03:43 PM   #58 
        - I have no problem with choosing when the decisino is based on my free will  burythehatchet   Sep-30-07 03:57 PM   #60 
        - Give me a break!  EstimatedProphet   Oct-01-07 10:01 AM   #67 
           - Yep.  jpgray   Oct-01-07 11:10 AM   #68 
           - here you are, have a break on me.  burythehatchet   Oct-01-07 01:07 PM   #70 
           - When you say it is a charade...  renie408   Oct-01-07 01:12 PM   #72 
              - all of the the complete ineptitude of our "opposition" party. DLC=cancer on America  burythehatchet   Oct-01-07 01:49 PM   #74 
           - Man, I love that picture of the WH with Sauron's Eye on top of it!!  renie408   Oct-01-07 01:09 PM   #71 
  - Perhaps irreverance is the word you are looking for.  Skidmore   Sep-30-07 03:27 PM   #56 
  - I ALWAYS Vote  Raejeanowl   Sep-30-07 03:43 PM   #59 
  - I always vote.  NC_Nurse   Sep-30-07 03:58 PM   #61 
  - Are you assuming DU HAS relevance to non-DUers?  L. Coyote   Sep-30-07 04:06 PM   #63 
  - heh. exactly. n/t  cali   Sep-30-07 04:09 PM   #64 
  - It has none.  sufrommich   Sep-30-07 04:12 PM   #65 
  - Good point. n/t  renie408   Oct-01-07 01:13 PM   #73 
  - Hear hear  EstimatedProphet   Sep-30-07 09:47 PM   #66 

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