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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 02:38 AM
Response to Reply #169
182. William Achenbaum confirmed as owner until Aug 30, 2007 from at least 2002 onwards
Edited on Sun Sep-30-07 02:41 AM by DrDebug
From the follow up report:

Drugs on crashed plane belonged to Mexico's biggest dealer
By Jay Root and Kevin G. Hall | McClatchy Newspapers
Posted on Friday, September 28, 2007

(...)

Malago and his business partner, Eduardo Dias Guimaraes, had owned the plane only since August, when their Florida-based Donna Blue Aircraft, an aviation sales company, bought the plane from a holding company owned by New York real estate developer and thoroughbred horse owner William Achenbaum.

Adding to the plane's mystery are allegations that it made trips in 2003, 2004 and 2005 between the United States and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where the U.S. detention center for suspected terrorists is located.

Employees of Achenbaum wouldn't discuss how the plane was used while he owned it. They referred calls to William Cripe, who runs Air Rutter International in Long Beach, Calif. Cripe said he leased the plane for a year until it was sold, using it in his charter service. He said the plane didn't fly to Cuba or to the Caribbean while his company operated it.

(...)

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/20104.html


A typical diversion, because Air Rutter wasn't doing the rentals during the rendition flights, it was Richmore who was renting the plane at the time.

Cannonfire is on the story as well and also discovered that William Achenbaum (and his son Michael and partner Donald Stein) were the last owners of the drug plane before it was sold to non-existing non-legit entities (see N900SA ownership cover up last year)


Who owned the jet at the time of the alleged rendition flights?

Here, the trail gets m urk.y

Before the sale to Malago, the jet was leased to (some accounts say owned by) Air Rutter International, a charter airline service operating out of Long Beach, California and Farmingale, New York. Their present fleet includes four Gulfstreams and two Bombadier Challengers.

I have seen no indications that this company, run by a man named William Cripe, is anything other than a reputable and honest charter airline service. Cripe insists that the jet did not make any trips to Guantanamo or other "rendition" sites during the time when his firm used the craft. As noted earlier, those flights are said to have occurred during the 2003-2005 period; Cripe seems to have leased the jet after this time.

The man he leased it from -- the actual owner of the jet -- is a rather interesting figure: New York landowner, developer and race horse enthusiast William Achenbaum.

Achenbaum and his son Michael are best-known as the owners of the Gansevoort Hotel in New York City. They were the key figures in a heated (and rather amusing) local controversy over a billboard which critics considered an eyesore. In 2004, Achenbaum ran into difficulties when he attempted to purchase another hotel (1) in Miami for $54 million.

A quick Google search has uncovered no allegation of illegal activity involving Achembaum -- except for this story (2), which claims that a broker for Achenbaum tried to bribe a city official back in 1976.

According to this (3) German-language article (the reliability of which I cannot yet determine), the actual operator of the craft during the 2003-05 time frame was Richmor Aviation "which offers airplanes for subletting, some of which were used for the conspiratorial operations of the CIA." The Richmor home page is here; they also have a flight school.

Note the pattern: A New York businessman buys a Gulfstream which is operated by Richmor, which uses the jet for "spoo ky" activity.

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com /

Links:
1. http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2004_3rd/Aug04_PalmC...
2. http://www.sevenstories.com/closeup/index.cfm?page=hess...
3. http://oraclesyndicate.twoday.net/stories/4296112 /


The Stein / Achenbaum real estate group is very interesting, because they were very irrelevant until about 2000 when their fortune changed and bought the 80 John Street condo near Wall Street from Tamir Sapir another rags-to-riches person who started as a taxi driver and is now a multi million dollar real estate owner as well. ( http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4943&pag... )

And then they started to branch up by building uptown luxury hotels like Hotel Gansevoort and a couple of other hotels which are either still under construction or have been sold on to their new found friends like Blackstone Group and Chetrit Group (Sears Tower, Chicago)

So what triggered their rags-to-riches story? Was it financed from those $5,600/hour plane rentals for intelligence?
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     - Thanks!  MetaTrope   Sep-28-07 09:33 AM   #46 
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     - Thank you, fly.  sfexpat2000   Sep-28-07 01:04 PM   #72 
     - I'm so sorry. :(  mod mom   Sep-28-07 09:38 PM   #141 
     - they get 'used' - do those who get used even understand that they are tools of  higher class   Sep-28-07 09:03 PM   #132 
  - Good article.nt  nam78_two   Sep-28-07 03:46 PM   #92 
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  - I am so glad to see the link was not Madcow  seemslikeadream   Sep-28-07 11:44 AM   #55 
  - I have no doubt he'll pick it up...  skids   Sep-28-07 05:35 PM   #106 
  - Daniel has been all over the Clearwater area..no one knows it better!  flyarm   Sep-28-07 08:40 PM   #124 
  - A federal prosecutor my cousin may've dated once said to her...  Octafish   Sep-28-07 06:33 PM   #117 
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  - delivering junior's stash????  spanone   Sep-28-07 12:02 PM   #57 
  - George Bush is from Oxford, CT?  intheflow   Sep-28-07 12:03 PM   #58 
  - Oxford CT is in New Haven County..eom  flyarm   Sep-28-07 12:30 PM   #60 
  - Hmmm... I still say it's sloppy reporting.  intheflow   Sep-28-07 03:56 PM   #93 
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  - weird ..i just checked the NTSB accidents and it is not listed at all..eom  flyarm   Sep-28-07 01:53 PM   #75 
  - S/A Holding LLC  DrDebug   Sep-28-07 03:45 PM   #91 
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        - Blackstone is like Carlyle  DrDebug   Sep-28-07 04:19 PM   #98 
        - One more hotel owned by the same group: Hotel Gansevoort, NY  DrDebug   Sep-29-07 04:35 AM   #169 
           - William Achenbaum confirmed as owner until Aug 30, 2007 from at least 2002 onwards  DrDebug   Sep-30-07 02:38 AM   #182 
              - Thanks DrDebug, and everyone else who has contributed so much to this story.  Ghost in the Machine   Sep-30-07 03:01 AM   #183 
              - NYPost picked up the story/ Air Rutter, Russian mobsters and Rudy Giuliani  DrDebug   Oct-05-07 03:00 AM   #199 
              - Achenbaum & Kislin  softlabhennef   Oct-06-07 07:51 AM   #203 
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  - do you have any info on who that victim was?? eom  flyarm   Sep-28-07 01:54 PM   #77 
  - here is some info..  flyarm   Sep-28-07 02:02 PM   #79 
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  - Dimson and Jebbie's personal stash?  Myrina   Sep-28-07 03:07 PM   #85 
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  - thank you for this article  flying_wahini   Sep-28-07 03:38 PM   #89 
  - some other details  TexasLawyer   Sep-28-07 03:44 PM   #90 
  - Could someone please explain?... No bodies?..  truth2power   Sep-28-07 04:04 PM   #94 
     - The three people on the plane were arrested  DrDebug   Sep-28-07 04:16 PM   #97 
     - notice army acted alone  kineneb   Sep-28-07 09:16 PM   #134 
     - Thanks for that. Wonder if they'll identify any of the culprits. Heh! n/t  truth2power   Sep-29-07 04:21 PM   #178 
     - Maybe it is flown remotely, like the UAV drones are...  file83   Sep-28-07 07:05 PM   #119 
  - k&r  me b zola   Sep-28-07 04:06 PM   #95 
  - I say waterboard the damn pilot;  greiner3   Sep-28-07 05:05 PM   #103 
  - oes anyone know if Kieth Olbermann has this story? n/t  sce56   Sep-28-07 05:25 PM   #104 
  - The drug war originally was a movement by the government to get  acmavm   Sep-28-07 05:31 PM   #105 
  - So effective in fact...  skids   Sep-28-07 05:39 PM   #107 
  - Kicking for the cocaine plane! n/t  wildbilln864   Sep-28-07 05:41 PM   #108 
  - Calling Daniel Hopsicker!  Fridays Child   Sep-28-07 05:43 PM   #109 
  - Interesting, digging up more info on the plane  EOO   Sep-28-07 05:50 PM   #110 
  - see post #73 by seemslikeadream..she has it all there..eom  flyarm   Sep-28-07 08:46 PM   #126 
  - see post 39...  halobeam   Sep-28-07 08:49 PM   #127 
  - then go to post 91 and follow comments re: S/A....  halobeam   Sep-28-07 09:02 PM   #131 
  - 4 TONS - 4 TONS  seemslikeadream   Sep-28-07 05:53 PM   #112 
  - I really hope this gets more coverage..  NoGodsNoMasters   Sep-28-07 06:17 PM   #115 
  - supposedly the plane was circling for around 2 hours..it may have been burning off fuel..  flyarm   Sep-28-07 08:49 PM   #128 
  - God bless those plane spotters  Canuckistanian   Sep-28-07 08:13 PM   #120 
  - McClatchy hasn't been taken over yet -- hmmmm....  defendandprotect   Sep-28-07 10:06 PM   #146 
  - K & R .....  AzDar   Sep-28-07 08:53 PM   #130 
  - HERE IS MCCLATCHY'S FOLLOW-UP STORY: Would someone who knows more...  DeepModem Mom   Sep-28-07 09:21 PM   #136 
  - This seems a flimsy amalgamation of events to a conclusion, imho.  pinto   Sep-28-07 09:22 PM   #137 
  - DONNA BLUE AIRCRAFT INC (COCONUT CREEK FL)  TahitiNut   Sep-28-07 09:35 PM   #140 
  - Just how obvious is it to most Americans that this Drug War is phony????  defendandprotect   Sep-28-07 10:05 PM   #145 
  - The Bush Junta recently changed the purpose of its multi-billion $$ military aid to Colombia  Peace Patriot   Sep-29-07 04:19 PM   #177 
     - Wow -- I've always been quite a reader, but frankly I couldn't do more than ...  defendandprotect   Sep-29-07 10:45 PM   #180 
     - The Chinese fought (and lost) the British in an effort to get them to put a stop tothe opium trade.  bananarepublican   Sep-30-07 05:04 AM   #184 
  - Some possible connected dots beginning with today's news from Kansas  bobthedrummer   Sep-28-07 10:46 PM   #152 
  - Here's a BFEE aircraft related post about a former Green Bay, WI citizen  bobthedrummer   Sep-28-07 10:56 PM   #154 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-28-07 10:47 PM   #153 
  - Kick. Recommend. Very hot thread. Good work OP! N/T  AikidoSoul   Sep-28-07 11:14 PM   #156 
  - Four tons of cocaine heding for Cancun Mexico, that is about a two week supply  whistle   Sep-28-07 11:22 PM   #157 
  - Bush and the Phony "War on Drugs"  AikidoSoul   Sep-28-07 11:22 PM   #158 
  - Bath's back? and Skyway  higher class   Sep-28-07 11:29 PM   #159 
  - Check this out  jdadd   Sep-28-07 11:50 PM   #160 
  - International timezone kick  bobthedrummer   Sep-29-07 12:10 AM   #161 
  - k&r n/t  orleans   Sep-29-07 12:12 AM   #162 
  - Oops, got exposed! Better cover that back up real fast!  Rex   Sep-29-07 12:36 AM   #164 
  - And kick! n/t  LeahD   Sep-29-07 02:13 AM   #168 
  - Kick!  Judi Lynn   Sep-29-07 06:06 AM   #174 
  - kick  bobthedrummer   Sep-29-07 12:07 PM   #176 
  - .  bobthedrummer   Sep-29-07 09:33 PM   #179 
  - kick  bobthedrummer   Oct-02-07 01:09 PM   #192 
  - Interesting theories.  riverdeep   Oct-05-07 06:29 AM   #202 
 

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