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177. The Bush Junta recently changed the purpose of its multi-billion $$ military aid to Colombia
from the "war on drugs" to the "war on drugs and the war on terra." But the rightwing paramilitaries, who are connected to the rightwing military (recipients of all this U.S. taxpayer largess), and very closely tied to the rightwing Uribe government (Bush's pals), are responsible for 95% of the deaths in Colombia's civil war (with FARC--armed leftist guerrillas), according to reports by humanitarian groups--often deaths of completely innocent parties (union organizers, peasant farmers, political leftists). So WHAT "war on terra" are these billions of our taxpayer dollars intended to fight?

Chiquita just got caught (and fined!!!!@#$!--by the Bush Junta) for paying millions to rightwing paramilitaries, to eliminate union organizing. Also, Blackwater has been active in Colombia, recruiting and training Colombian mercenaries for Iraq.

Someone upthread asked, what the hell does the Bush Junta need cocaine profits for, since they have an open bank vault in Washington DC (other than that coke/heroine are one of their traditional profit centers)? That is, why all this NEW activity?

I think it's for the OTHER war--the one they're planning against the Andes democracies (Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador--and possibly extended to other leftist governments, Argentina, Brazil...). People who are unaware of the sea change in South America--with leftist (majorityist) governments elected in Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, and Uruguay and also Nicaragua, a leftist coming within a hairsbreadth--0.05%--of winning the presidency of Mexico last year, and leftists poised to win in Paraguay and possibly Guatemala this year (and eventually Peru)--may not realize what a profound threat this huge democracy and social justice movement poses to global corporate predator interests, and how very much they need to defeat it, to continue their ungodly profit from this continent (in both extraction of natural resources and use of sweatshop and farm slave labor, and illicit drug and weapons trade).

They are working on all kinds of destabilization tactics--which democracies, of course, are vulnerable to (being open societies)--including all sorts of phony USAID-funded "opposition" groups in Venezuela and Bolivia, who stage "riots" and implement Bushite/CIA plots (2002--plot to overthrow the democratically elected Chavez government and install a rightwing military junta; a few years later--plot to cripple Venezuela with an oil professionals' strike; 2006--plot to publish phony polls that Chavez didn't win the Dec. '06 election (--he won with 63% of the vote, in highly monitored elections), instigate "riots" and once again install a rightwing junta; currently--plot by rich rural landowners in Bolivia to split off oil/gas-rich rural provinces from the central government, so that profits from these resources will not benefit the poor, and will benefit the rich elite and international cartels ("riots," agitation, use of rightwing thugs, use of corporate news media); another probable plot--attempt to embarrass/topple both the Chavez and Kirchner governments (Venezuela, Argentina--which are close allies) with "a suitcase full of cash" boarded onto a diplomatic plane by a mysterious operative. (There is zero evidence that either government is corrupt.)

A common theme of the Bolivarian democracies (Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador) is anti-U.S. "war on drugs." Evo Morales (first indigenous president of Bolivia) was in fact a small coca leaf grower himself, as were his parents. It is a traditional medicine. He campaigned with a wreath of coca leaves around his neck, to emphasize its sacredness to indigenous culture, and his opposition to U.S. toxic pesticide spraying--which kills peasant farmers' food crops, and animals, and damages human DNA--and other murderous activities (on behalf of the big drug lords and U.S. corps).

Thus, there are multiple reasons to destroy democracy in these countries, and reinstall fascist cooperators with U.S.-based global corporations.

We get hardly any news of this social justice movement here--huge as it is in Latin America, and with so many electoral victories in South America. So, many of us may not realize its importance, and what this may mean as to Bush Junta war planning. While they are off destroying Iraq and trying to steal Iraq's and Iran's oil, democracy has reared its beautiful head in the southern half of the western hemisphere and is threatening these very shores. (What if the people of the U.S. decide they want democracy, too? Good God!)

The fascist need to extinguish this trend is very great. None of their typical tactics have worked in South America. And there is overwhelming evidence that their coup plots, etc., have backfired--and have infused these new leftist leaders and their vast number of supporters with yet more determined solidarity.

So, if you were Donald Rumsfeld, what would YOU do? Create a mercenary army, based in Colombia, for border incursions against Venezuela and Ecuador (to keep the pressure on, while other destabilization efforts and plots mature), buy up a huge compound in Paraguay as launching pad for Bolivia (and beef up the U.S. military airbase nearby, with U.S. taxpayer money), and run drugs for the additional billions you can't squeeze from the increasingly debt-ridden, Mideast war-focused U.S. treasury. Also, go to any lengths (including stealing presidential elections) to retain some client states (Mexico, Peru--and likely Guatemala, alas), through which to push the drugs/weapons traffic (including "free trade" profits to local rich elites; "aid" intended for the poor, to be ripped off by the rich, and some of the cream of "war on drugs" money to local rightwing groups and military cabals) .

I'm not saying they will succeed in a war on South America. I don't think they will. But that doesn't mean they can't cause a lot of havoc and suffering. And, as we know with the Bush Junta, that doesn't mean they aren't planning it, and won't try.

We think an attack on Iran is a threat, and it surely is. But what about "under the radar" preparations for war against our southern neighbors? No troops? Don't need 'em. Got mercenaries. Not enough money? Got drugs and weapons trafficking. Opposition by the American people (70% of whom oppose the Iraq War)? 1) Got Diebold/ES&S; and 2) Got vast ignorance about Latin America here (and hatred fueled by war profiteering corporate news monopoly disinformation campaigns against Bolivarian leader Hugo Chavez, and against brown-skinned immigrants).

We need to look not just at evidence of Bush Junta drug trafficking, but also at WHY. Is it being orchestrated with a war plan? Not just greed. Not just love of torture, murder, chaos and injustice. But generating revenue, and getting systems and infrastructure in place, for their OTHER war? I think there is evidence and a good argument for the latter.

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  -Cocaine plane that crashed in Mexico this week linked to the Government? Ghost in the Machine  Sep-28-07 12:54 AM   #0 
  - Holy Iran/Contra!  Lasher   Sep-28-07 01:02 AM   #1 
  - Iran,,, and colombia  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-28-07 01:15 AM   #5 
  - From what I've read about Colombia, it's not a war on drugs, it's a war on  Peace Patriot   Sep-28-07 02:48 AM   #13 
     - You're so right! The right-wingers have transformed the "War on Poverty" to  Judi Lynn   Sep-28-07 03:31 AM   #16 
     - As if there was ever an opportunity for "justice" from a court in Alabama  flashl   Sep-28-07 08:49 AM   #42 
     - K&R, great summary n/t  AntiFascist   Sep-28-07 02:09 PM   #82 
     - And BW was just awarded a 15 Billion dollar contract for the *War on Drugs*  tekisui   Sep-28-07 03:28 PM   #87 
     - The Taliban had almost eradicated the poppy crop before Uncle Sam's arrival! n/t  bananarepublican   Sep-29-07 04:45 AM   #170 
  - That laundry keeps losing all of the clothes.  greyhound1966   Sep-28-07 04:09 AM   #20 
  - they should close the laundry  bambino   Sep-28-07 10:37 PM   #149 
     - the oversight committee should look into this  bambino   Sep-28-07 10:38 PM   #150 
        - Please, the last thing any of our "leaders" ever want to know is what it is  greyhound1966   Sep-30-07 01:55 AM   #181 
           - maybe they are just too frightened?  bambino   Sep-30-07 06:22 PM   #188 
              - They all wanted to sit in the big chair. You makes your bet, you takes your chances. n/t  greyhound1966   Oct-01-07 12:55 AM   #189 
  - It's not a funding ploy, it's a business.  JackRiddler   Sep-28-07 07:21 AM   #35 
  - Maybe we're not all out fighting in Afghanistan because we don't want to hurt the poppy harvest.  mod mom   Sep-28-07 09:08 PM   #133 
     - Nah...  JackRiddler   Sep-28-07 09:50 PM   #143 
        - I mean the U.S. with "we".  mod mom   Sep-28-07 10:10 PM   #147 
  - Were there papers on the plane with "Cocaine" spelled phonetically? KO-KANE  paxmusa   Sep-28-07 12:33 PM   #62 
     - Yes, but only for the benefit of the translators.  Jackpine Radical   Sep-28-07 06:23 PM   #116 
  - So, is Guantanamo being used as a drug transhipment airfield?  L. Coyote   Sep-28-07 01:10 AM   #2 
  - Well Ollie North used Miramar  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-28-07 01:13 AM   #4 
  - and Palmerolla Air Force Base in Honduras  AikidoSoul   Sep-28-07 09:47 PM   #142 
  - No wonder their heads explode when resposible people  ooglymoogly   Sep-28-07 09:59 PM   #144 
  - There were more drug planes flying to Guatanamo Bay  DrDebug   Sep-28-07 04:05 AM   #18 
  - The strange case of Manuel Vicente Losada  DrDebug   Sep-28-07 04:43 AM   #22 
  - Thanks for the links, Dr.DeBug  AikidoSoul   Sep-29-07 12:35 AM   #163 
  - Dont forget the Central Asian rendition bases  starroute   Sep-28-07 03:24 PM   #86 
  - Cuba was important in the international drug trade before Fidel ousted  BornagainDUer   Sep-28-07 04:21 PM   #99 
     - Not to mention the family sugar monopoly:  mod mom   Sep-28-07 10:27 PM   #148 
        - Thank you for the valuable information, mod mom. So completely helpful. n/t  Judi Lynn   Sep-29-07 05:50 AM   #173 
        - Thanks for this information. I wonder if these sugar interests were linked  BornagainDUer   Sep-30-07 02:10 PM   #185 
  - CIA is back in the drug dealing biddness  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-28-07 01:12 AM   #3 
  - Eugene Hassenfus's plane was shot down Papa was first place notified!  flyarm   Sep-28-07 02:19 AM   #11 
  - Hee, hee! Good memory. This thread is hot!  BornagainDUer   Sep-28-07 04:26 PM   #100 
  - And Luis is enjoying his new life as an artist, protected from his  higher class   Sep-28-07 08:18 PM   #121 
  - Was the CIA ever out of the drug dealing business?  Eagle_Eye   Sep-28-07 05:52 AM   #30 
  - nope and the * crime family has always been knee deep in it!! eom  flyarm   Sep-28-07 12:44 PM   #65 
     - You think that's where Bush Sr. made all of his money in the early 60's?  EOO   Sep-28-07 05:51 PM   #111 
     - ... and W was personally in charge of 'quality control'! n/t  bananarepublican   Sep-29-07 04:47 AM   #171 
  - It never STOPPED, even in the 90s when we THOUGHT it stopped in 93.  blm   Sep-30-07 03:12 PM   #187 
  - Kick... damn this is an important story folks  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-28-07 01:34 AM   #6 
  - i agree n/t  Didereaux   Sep-28-07 04:43 AM   #21 
  - Yes, but it will only gain notoriety in 2025 and only then will the people  0007   Sep-28-07 06:51 AM   #33 
  - turn um over to me  MichaelHarris   Sep-28-07 01:47 AM   #7 
  - Hmmm lemme see  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-28-07 01:49 AM   #8 
  - Primer on Hasenfus  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-28-07 01:50 AM   #9 
  - Thanks for posting this link. Important investment of Gary Webb's time.  Judi Lynn   Sep-28-07 03:48 AM   #17 
  - A sad story is the one about Gary Webb. He was suicided a couple  BornagainDUer   Sep-28-07 04:35 PM   #101 
     - I have direct experience with contractors who reported witnessing cocaine being loaded and unloaded  AikidoSoul   Sep-28-07 11:07 PM   #155 
        - Very helpful post. Thanks for your observations, insights. Haven't had enough time to learn  Judi Lynn   Sep-29-07 05:39 AM   #172 
        - Great post AS. That Klaus Barbie link is something else. He was known as "The Butcher of Lyon"  BornagainDUer   Sep-30-07 02:17 PM   #186 
  - thank you-I always appreciate your information.  mod mom   Sep-28-07 02:02 PM   #80 
  - I'd be surprised if it WERE NOT linked to the government!  piesRsquare   Sep-28-07 01:54 AM   #10 
  - check out this deposition about drug running and Eugene Hassenfus is mentoned,  flyarm   Sep-28-07 02:42 AM   #12 
  - Are the Sandinista terrorists on the Texas border yet? Rhetoric to haunt Freeepers.  L. Coyote   Sep-28-07 11:15 AM   #48 
     - L. are a great researcher!! i appreciate what you do!! eom  flyarm   Sep-28-07 12:43 PM   #64 
     - Why were you stabbed 9 times? Was it something you wrote?  AikidoSoul   Sep-29-07 01:02 AM   #166 
  - off to greatest page.  Syrinx   Sep-28-07 02:49 AM   #14 
  - Again??  DrDebug   Sep-28-07 03:05 AM   #15 
  - Sky Way Aircraft??  Concerned GA Voter   Sep-28-07 06:05 PM   #113 
  - and what organization is headquartered in Clearwater?? Scientology  flyarm   Sep-28-07 08:32 PM   #123 
     - One of my uncles ran drugs for L. Ron in the 70's. He was new to Sea Org and  bluetrain   Oct-05-07 05:39 AM   #201 
  - Funny how that works.  Octafish   Sep-28-07 06:11 PM   #114 
  - "Some news reports have linked" ... hmmmm....  Roland99   Sep-28-07 04:05 AM   #19 
  - Thank you all for the great links and additions to this story. Something is  Ghost in the Machine   Sep-28-07 04:48 AM   #23 
  - It has the same suffix as this flight. This plane is a rendition flight as well  DrDebug   Sep-28-07 05:09 AM   #25 
     - Richmond Aviation ALSO runs a flight school; One plane identified as CIA rendition  DrDebug   Sep-28-07 05:19 AM   #27 
     - Abu Omar Case or Imam Rapito (kidnapped Imam) affair  DrDebug   Sep-28-07 05:50 AM   #29 
     - Wanted Poster / Where's Robert Lady  DrDebug   Sep-29-07 01:59 AM   #167 
     - Terrorist Murad learned to fly at Richmor Aviation as well  DrDebug   Sep-28-07 01:54 PM   #76 
     - The SA suffix  DrDebug   Sep-28-07 08:04 AM   #39 
     - What a name for their business RICH MOR(E)! nt  higher class   Sep-28-07 08:31 PM   #122 
     - Richmor  softlabhennef   Oct-02-07 10:31 AM   #190 
        - Welcome :) Interesting information  DrDebug   Oct-02-07 11:30 AM   #191 
           - Veromi-Search  softlabhennef   Oct-02-07 02:45 PM   #193 
           - Definitely Syndicate (Silician mafia), the main Cocaine Import partners  DrDebug   Oct-02-07 03:26 PM   #194 
              - Well done!  softlabhennef   Oct-02-07 03:59 PM   #196 
                 - Those planes are used for many different purposes  DrDebug   Oct-02-07 04:25 PM   #197 
                    - Clear Dimensions  softlabhennef   Oct-02-07 05:29 PM   #198 
           - Jetmark Aviation  softlabhennef   Oct-02-07 03:31 PM   #195 
  - K&R  Pooka Fey   Sep-28-07 04:56 AM   #24 
  - Is the new owner  malaise   Sep-28-07 05:10 AM   #26 
  - K & R & thank you for posting this (nt)  marekjed   Sep-28-07 05:32 AM   #28 
  - It's interesting that there's a UPI wire story on this incident  MetaTrope   Sep-28-07 06:22 AM   #31 
  - WTF?? Anyone know where * was that day?  Breeze54   Sep-28-07 06:25 AM   #32 
  - nice, breeze. i keep wondering what the connection is to oxford?  orleans   Sep-28-07 10:41 PM   #151 
  - kick  formerrepuke   Sep-28-07 07:02 AM   #34 
  - I didn't save a link, but hows about 5.5 tons in a shipment headed for Iraq??  Boxerfan   Sep-28-07 07:42 AM   #36 
  - I still have that story  DrDebug   Sep-28-07 07:56 AM   #37 
     - Thank you very much..kinda shows the depth of this....  Boxerfan   Sep-28-07 08:05 AM   #40 
     - "from Venezuela"? was this to set up Chavez as a "terrorist"?  mod mom   Sep-28-07 09:27 PM   #138 
  - I've made a thread of my own which compiles the information I've found here  ck4829   Sep-28-07 08:01 AM   #38 
  - "U.S. authorities are assisting ". . . . . .  annabanana   Sep-28-07 08:06 AM   #41 
  - I'd be interested in knowing WHEN the plane was in Oxford?  MetaTrope   Sep-28-07 08:50 AM   #43 
  - Fronts always have a white and a black part.  DrDebug   Sep-28-07 09:07 AM   #44 
     - Thanks!  MetaTrope   Sep-28-07 09:33 AM   #46 
  - WTF is this part of the story:  file83   Sep-28-07 09:12 AM   #45 
  - A change of ownership, after the fact.  Old and In the Way   Sep-28-07 11:18 AM   #49 
  - Good catch, file83. n/t  Emit   Sep-28-07 11:25 AM   #53 
  - Does this surprise anyone?  txaslftist   Sep-28-07 10:03 AM   #47 
  - "You're not getting older, you're just getting better."  sfexpat2000   Sep-28-07 11:22 AM   #50 
     - Poindexter, Negroponte, Elliot, Rice - all Iran-Contra. Was Gates, also?  higher class   Sep-28-07 08:51 PM   #129 
        - Yep. Gates helped obstruct the investigation. n/t  sfexpat2000   Sep-29-07 11:05 AM   #175 
  - Cocaine pipeline financed rebels by Gary Webb  flyarm   Sep-28-07 11:24 AM   #51 
  - Maybe we should build that wall, after all.  sfexpat2000   Sep-28-07 11:27 AM   #54 
  - just think how many are in prisons all over the country because of this  flyarm   Sep-28-07 12:23 PM   #59 
     - I haven't seen my youngest in over a year. He's not in prison  sfexpat2000   Sep-28-07 12:31 PM   #61 
     - the heartache these bastards have caused nation and world just reprehensible.  flyarm   Sep-28-07 12:48 PM   #66 
     - Yep. There's the people who get it and the people who want to  sfexpat2000   Sep-28-07 01:03 PM   #71 
     - i pray you hear from him soon..a mothers worst nightmare and worry..indeed!!  flyarm   Sep-28-07 12:53 PM   #68 
     - Thank you, fly.  sfexpat2000   Sep-28-07 01:04 PM   #72 
     - I'm so sorry. :(  mod mom   Sep-28-07 09:38 PM   #141 
     - they get 'used' - do those who get used even understand that they are tools of  higher class   Sep-28-07 09:03 PM   #132 
  - Good article.nt  nam78_two   Sep-28-07 03:46 PM   #92 
  - Damn, Dubya's back to using big time.  spenbax   Sep-28-07 11:24 AM   #52 
  - I am so glad to see the link was not Madcow  seemslikeadream   Sep-28-07 11:44 AM   #55 
  - I have no doubt he'll pick it up...  skids   Sep-28-07 05:35 PM   #106 
  - Daniel has been all over the Clearwater one knows it better!  flyarm   Sep-28-07 08:40 PM   #124 
  - A federal prosecutor my cousin may've dated once said to her...  Octafish   Sep-28-07 06:33 PM   #117 
  - Wow. Bookmarking for later...lots of important info in this thread.  alstephenson   Sep-28-07 12:01 PM   #56 
  - delivering junior's stash????  spanone   Sep-28-07 12:02 PM   #57 
  - George Bush is from Oxford, CT?  intheflow   Sep-28-07 12:03 PM   #58 
  - Oxford CT is in New Haven County..eom  flyarm   Sep-28-07 12:30 PM   #60 
  - Hmmm... I still say it's sloppy reporting.  intheflow   Sep-28-07 03:56 PM   #93 
     - not sloppy...IMHO..Oxford is in New Haven County..eom  flyarm   Sep-28-07 08:43 PM   #125 
  - McClatchy didn't do that. I'm the one who put (Bush's Home Town) in there...  Ghost in the Machine   Sep-28-07 07:00 PM   #118 
     - Thanks for clarifying.  intheflow   Sep-29-07 12:48 AM   #165 
  - Noooo,  libodem   Sep-28-07 12:36 PM   #63 
  - Sounds like Carlyle needs to replenish petty cash.  Raster   Sep-28-07 12:53 PM   #67 
  - or Blackwater.........eom  flyarm   Sep-28-07 12:58 PM   #69 
  - I don't know why it's not EXTREMELY OBVIOUS to everyone that the Bush Family is deep in the coke biz  kineta   Sep-28-07 01:00 PM   #70 
  - who sold plane on Aug. 30 to Donna Blue Aircraft  seemslikeadream   Sep-28-07 01:07 PM   #73 
  - weird ..i just checked the NTSB accidents and it is not listed at all..eom  flyarm   Sep-28-07 01:53 PM   #75 
  - S/A Holding LLC  DrDebug   Sep-28-07 03:45 PM   #91 
     - The Somerset Plaza Hotel was sold by the Blackstone Group  MetaTrope   Sep-28-07 04:14 PM   #96 
        - Blackstone is like Carlyle  DrDebug   Sep-28-07 04:19 PM   #98 
        - One more hotel owned by the same group: Hotel Gansevoort, NY  DrDebug   Sep-29-07 04:35 AM   #169 
           - William Achenbaum confirmed as owner until Aug 30, 2007 from at least 2002 onwards  DrDebug   Sep-30-07 02:38 AM   #182 
              - Thanks DrDebug, and everyone else who has contributed so much to this story.  Ghost in the Machine   Sep-30-07 03:01 AM   #183 
              - NYPost picked up the story/ Air Rutter, Russian mobsters and Rudy Giuliani  DrDebug   Oct-05-07 03:00 AM   #199 
              - Achenbaum & Kislin  softlabhennef   Oct-06-07 07:51 AM   #203 
              - PorEsto! (Mexican newspaper): Plane already made 3 drug trips on a temp reg.  DrDebug   Oct-05-07 04:58 AM   #200 
  - Oxford, CT is where one of the anthrax victims lived.  Alexander   Sep-28-07 01:16 PM   #74 
  - do you have any info on who that victim was?? eom  flyarm   Sep-28-07 01:54 PM   #77 
  - here is some info..  flyarm   Sep-28-07 02:02 PM   #79 
  - hmmh. . . it all sounds suspicious. rec'd glad it's McClatchey  mod mom   Sep-28-07 02:01 PM   #78 
  - Alfred McCoy's classic The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade  EVDebs   Sep-28-07 02:05 PM   #81 
  - Many years from now or maybe sooner  allisonthegreat   Sep-28-07 02:37 PM   #83 
  - It's all about 'plausible deniability'. While de jure they're against it  EVDebs   Sep-28-07 02:56 PM   #84 
  - You ain't gonna believe who orchestrated the campaign to make hemp illegal...  BornagainDUer   Sep-28-07 04:39 PM   #102 
  - That is just for the constituency - the ones who hate smoking  higher class   Sep-28-07 09:34 PM   #139 
  - nine kinds of pipelines - oil water weapons drugs money deals secrets prisoners aircraft  higher class   Sep-28-07 09:21 PM   #135 
  - Dimson and Jebbie's personal stash?  Myrina   Sep-28-07 03:07 PM   #85 
  - And who was taking joy rides to Guantanamo? And why?  tekisui   Sep-28-07 03:32 PM   #88 
  - thank you for this article  flying_wahini   Sep-28-07 03:38 PM   #89 
  - some other details  TexasLawyer   Sep-28-07 03:44 PM   #90 
  - Could someone please explain?... No bodies?..  truth2power   Sep-28-07 04:04 PM   #94 
     - The three people on the plane were arrested  DrDebug   Sep-28-07 04:16 PM   #97 
     - notice army acted alone  kineneb   Sep-28-07 09:16 PM   #134 
     - Thanks for that. Wonder if they'll identify any of the culprits. Heh! n/t  truth2power   Sep-29-07 04:21 PM   #178 
     - Maybe it is flown remotely, like the UAV drones are...  file83   Sep-28-07 07:05 PM   #119 
  - k&r  me b zola   Sep-28-07 04:06 PM   #95 
  - I say waterboard the damn pilot;  greiner3   Sep-28-07 05:05 PM   #103 
  - oes anyone know if Kieth Olbermann has this story? n/t  sce56   Sep-28-07 05:25 PM   #104 
  - The drug war originally was a movement by the government to get  acmavm   Sep-28-07 05:31 PM   #105 
  - So effective in fact...  skids   Sep-28-07 05:39 PM   #107 
  - Kicking for the cocaine plane! n/t  wildbilln864   Sep-28-07 05:41 PM   #108 
  - Calling Daniel Hopsicker!  Fridays Child   Sep-28-07 05:43 PM   #109 
  - Interesting, digging up more info on the plane  EOO   Sep-28-07 05:50 PM   #110 
  - see post #73 by seemslikeadream..she has it all there..eom  flyarm   Sep-28-07 08:46 PM   #126 
  - see post 39...  halobeam   Sep-28-07 08:49 PM   #127 
  - then go to post 91 and follow comments re: S/A....  halobeam   Sep-28-07 09:02 PM   #131 
  - 4 TONS - 4 TONS  seemslikeadream   Sep-28-07 05:53 PM   #112 
  - I really hope this gets more coverage..  NoGodsNoMasters   Sep-28-07 06:17 PM   #115 
  - supposedly the plane was circling for around 2 may have been burning off fuel..  flyarm   Sep-28-07 08:49 PM   #128 
  - God bless those plane spotters  Canuckistanian   Sep-28-07 08:13 PM   #120 
  - McClatchy hasn't been taken over yet -- hmmmm....  defendandprotect   Sep-28-07 10:06 PM   #146 
  - K & R .....  AzDar   Sep-28-07 08:53 PM   #130 
  - HERE IS MCCLATCHY'S FOLLOW-UP STORY: Would someone who knows more...  DeepModem Mom   Sep-28-07 09:21 PM   #136 
  - This seems a flimsy amalgamation of events to a conclusion, imho.  pinto   Sep-28-07 09:22 PM   #137 
  - DONNA BLUE AIRCRAFT INC (COCONUT CREEK FL)  TahitiNut   Sep-28-07 09:35 PM   #140 
  - Just how obvious is it to most Americans that this Drug War is phony????  defendandprotect   Sep-28-07 10:05 PM   #145 
  - The Bush Junta recently changed the purpose of its multi-billion $$ military aid to Colombia  Peace Patriot   Sep-29-07 04:19 PM   #177 
     - Wow -- I've always been quite a reader, but frankly I couldn't do more than ...  defendandprotect   Sep-29-07 10:45 PM   #180 
     - The Chinese fought (and lost) the British in an effort to get them to put a stop tothe opium trade.  bananarepublican   Sep-30-07 05:04 AM   #184 
  - Some possible connected dots beginning with today's news from Kansas  bobthedrummer   Sep-28-07 10:46 PM   #152 
  - Here's a BFEE aircraft related post about a former Green Bay, WI citizen  bobthedrummer   Sep-28-07 10:56 PM   #154 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-28-07 10:47 PM   #153 
  - Kick. Recommend. Very hot thread. Good work OP! N/T  AikidoSoul   Sep-28-07 11:14 PM   #156 
  - Four tons of cocaine heding for Cancun Mexico, that is about a two week supply  whistle   Sep-28-07 11:22 PM   #157 
  - Bush and the Phony "War on Drugs"  AikidoSoul   Sep-28-07 11:22 PM   #158 
  - Bath's back? and Skyway  higher class   Sep-28-07 11:29 PM   #159 
  - Check this out  jdadd   Sep-28-07 11:50 PM   #160 
  - International timezone kick  bobthedrummer   Sep-29-07 12:10 AM   #161 
  - k&r n/t  orleans   Sep-29-07 12:12 AM   #162 
  - Oops, got exposed! Better cover that back up real fast!  Rex   Sep-29-07 12:36 AM   #164 
  - And kick! n/t  LeahD   Sep-29-07 02:13 AM   #168 
  - Kick!  Judi Lynn   Sep-29-07 06:06 AM   #174 
  - kick  bobthedrummer   Sep-29-07 12:07 PM   #176 
  - .  bobthedrummer   Sep-29-07 09:33 PM   #179 
  - kick  bobthedrummer   Oct-02-07 01:09 PM   #192 
  - Interesting theories.  riverdeep   Oct-05-07 06:29 AM   #202 

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