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Fri Sep-28-07 12:45 AM
Response to Reply #61 |
| 66. Well, YOU'RE flat wrong: here's what Britannica Online has to say about the Crusades |
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I'll trust a decades-old encyclopedia before I trust you. military expeditions, beginning in the late 11th century, that were organized by Western Christians in response to centuries of Muslim wars of expansion. Their objectives were to check the spread of Islam, to retake control of the Holy Land, to conquer pagan areas, and to recapture formerly Christian territories; they were seen by many of their participants as a means of redemption and expiation for sins. Between 1095, when the First Crusade was launched, and 1291, when the Latin Christians were finally expelled from their kingdom in Syria, there were numerous expeditions to the Holy Land, to Spain, and even to the Baltic; the Crusades continued for several centuries after 1291, usually as military campaigns intended to halt or slow the advance of Muslim power or to conquer pagan areas. Crusading declined rapidly during the 16th century with the advent of the Protestant Reformation and the decline of papal authority. Wow. I don't think it's more possible to be more wrong on a position than you are.
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| -Condoms 'infected with HIV' - Catholic Church leader in Mozambique |
Swede |
Sep-27-07 03:48 PM |
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These people are fucking evil |
Pawel K |
Sep-27-07 03:49 PM |
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Oh, that old chestnut? |
Deep13 |
Sep-27-07 03:50 PM |
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I was Catholic for 27 of my 33 years on this planet |
YOY |
Sep-27-07 03:56 PM |
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I'm guessing you did not live in Africa. nt |
Deep13 |
Sep-27-07 07:42 PM |
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No, but as a former HIV educator I thought I'd heard every one. |
YOY |
Sep-28-07 08:54 AM |
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Sep-27-07 03:50 PM |
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He is a liar and, effectively, a murderer--an extremely cruel murderer. |
Fridays Child |
Sep-27-07 03:54 PM |
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Licked by Divine on the assembly line, no doubt. |
mr_hat |
Sep-27-07 03:57 PM |
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Those cost extra |
theredpen |
Sep-27-07 04:07 PM |
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Wish we had another source for that. The "Sun" isn't all |
neweurope |
Sep-27-07 03:57 PM |
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I first saw in on Digg,which led me to the Sun. |
Swede |
Sep-27-07 04:09 PM |
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Maybe not... but how telling that we consider it might be so. |
neweurope |
Sep-27-07 04:15 PM |
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Don't know if anybody else has mentioned it - BBC |
neweurope |
Sep-28-07 09:54 AM |
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FYI, HIV does not last very long outside the human body. |
HypnoToad |
Sep-27-07 03:58 PM |
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my gawd. Hang him up by his balls. |
rodeodance |
Sep-27-07 03:58 PM |
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Religion: the deadliest virus ever invented |
jgraz |
Sep-27-07 04:04 PM |
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Religiophobia: stops a thinking mind |
theredpen |
Sep-27-07 04:07 PM |
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The idea that religion is viral has been part of cognitive science for years |
jgraz |
Sep-27-07 04:12 PM |
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Burden of Proof |
theredpen |
Sep-27-07 09:45 PM |
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I'm sorry, did a THEIST just try to school me on the Burden of Proof? |
jgraz |
Sep-27-07 11:11 PM |
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Man, the things you see in the internets! May I join you? |
dicksteele |
Sep-28-07 12:00 AM |
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Apparently. Is this an atheist schooling me on a substantive response? n/t |
theredpen |
Sep-28-07 12:05 AM |
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Clearly, NO ONE is schooling you on ANYTHING. |
dicksteele |
Sep-28-07 12:09 AM |
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Well, certainly not you, Dick. n/t |
theredpen |
Sep-28-07 12:12 AM |
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We're not on a first name basis. Please refrain from being so disrespectful. nm |
dicksteele |
Sep-28-07 08:31 AM |
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My apologies, Mr. Steele |
theredpen |
Sep-28-07 08:48 AM |
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The Inquisition. |
CT_Progressive |
Sep-28-07 11:42 PM |
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Sep-28-07 07:32 AM |
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My how Christian of you |
jgraz |
Sep-28-07 08:06 AM |
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The misinformation is spread because a religious institution... |
Deep13 |
Sep-27-07 07:54 PM |
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Um, no. |
theredpen |
Sep-27-07 09:44 PM |
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Uh, YES. End of story. You can have your own opinion, but not your own FACTS. nm |
dicksteele |
Sep-27-07 11:14 PM |
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Um, no. |
theredpen |
Sep-27-07 11:59 PM |
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Oh please- spare me your hair-splitting apologetics. |
dicksteele |
Sep-28-07 12:08 AM |
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What are you talking about? |
theredpen |
Sep-28-07 12:12 AM |
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If you don't know, you're cleary unqualified to discuss this subject. |
dicksteele |
Sep-28-07 12:14 AM |
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Um, you should make it clear that the Old Testament doesn't count as "history" |
jgraz |
Sep-28-07 12:16 AM |
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I honestly don't think ANYTHING I "make clear"... |
dicksteele |
Sep-28-07 01:02 AM |
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Is that an argument? |
theredpen |
Sep-28-07 12:26 AM |
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No, it's FRIENDLY ADVICE. Different. |
dicksteele |
Sep-28-07 01:04 AM |
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What does he mean by "endorsed"?? |
jgraz |
Sep-27-07 11:17 PM |
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Do you recognize George W. Bush as President? |
theredpen |
Sep-27-07 11:49 PM |
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No, in fact I don't |
jgraz |
Sep-28-07 12:14 AM |
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Are you just making this stuff up? |
theredpen |
Sep-28-07 12:30 AM |
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Sounds like you're saying those pictures were faked |
jgraz |
Sep-28-07 06:44 AM |
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What does this picture show? |
theredpen |
Sep-28-07 07:49 AM |
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Oh my god, you are truly amazing |
jgraz |
Sep-28-07 08:03 AM |
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The Nazi's had their own state Church and the clerics dressed like Catholic clergy |
theredpen |
Sep-28-07 08:47 AM |
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Wow. Denial really isn't just a river in Egypt. You make me sad. |
dicksteele |
Sep-28-07 08:14 AM |
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And ignorance is not a point of view, Dick. |
theredpen |
Sep-28-07 08:47 AM |
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Pictures without context |
theredpen |
Sep-28-07 04:13 PM |
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You're kidding, right? |
Deep13 |
Sep-28-07 08:01 AM |
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Baptism records |
theredpen |
Sep-28-07 08:57 AM |
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This book is pretty well documented. |
Deep13 |
Sep-28-07 09:02 AM |
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Thanks, I'd be interested to learn more detail about what Hitchens says. n/t |
theredpen |
Sep-28-07 09:04 AM |
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If only we could somehow rid the world of this scourge |
Rage for Order |
Sep-27-07 10:32 PM |
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Excellent! |
spoony |
Sep-28-07 07:26 AM |
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Stalin was evil. The system he created was evil. |
Deep13 |
Sep-28-07 10:09 AM |
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Taking those holy books seriously... |
theredpen |
Sep-28-07 11:47 AM |
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How can anyone do that? |
Deep13 |
Sep-28-07 12:11 PM |
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Uh... |
theredpen |
Sep-28-07 01:03 PM |
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That's my point Deep |
Rage for Order |
Sep-28-07 11:37 PM |
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There's also this |
Rage for Order |
Sep-27-07 10:58 PM |
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Your logic is irrefutable |
jgraz |
Sep-27-07 11:12 PM |
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Your point being...? |
Rage for Order |
Sep-27-07 11:15 PM |
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Yep, murderous assholes will kill no matter what |
jgraz |
Sep-27-07 11:21 PM |
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Not really |
Rage for Order |
Sep-27-07 11:23 PM |
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Famine, disease, and unprovoked attacks are actual substantive things |
jgraz |
Sep-27-07 11:29 PM |
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That's where our opinions diverge |
Rage for Order |
Sep-27-07 11:31 PM |
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Oh, Really? |
theredpen |
Sep-27-07 11:54 PM |
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Oh my. I truly think you grew up on a different planet from the rest of us. |
jgraz |
Sep-28-07 12:12 AM |
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I agree: Planet Earth |
theredpen |
Sep-28-07 12:24 AM |
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Well, YOU'RE flat wrong: here's what Britannica Online has to say about the Crusades |
kgfnally |
Sep-28-07 12:45 AM |
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The encyclopdeia agrees with me. |
theredpen |
Sep-28-07 12:52 AM |
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Where I come from, that post is called "cherrypicking" |
kgfnally |
Sep-28-07 11:13 AM |
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Ironically, I was accusing you of the same thing |
theredpen |
Sep-28-07 11:18 AM |
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Wow, you're looking for an education in rhetoric, history and theology tonight |
jgraz |
Sep-28-07 01:15 AM |
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This is interesting |
theredpen |
Sep-28-07 07:46 AM |
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Changing the rules again, eh? |
jgraz |
Sep-28-07 08:07 AM |
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No. |
theredpen |
Sep-28-07 08:49 AM |
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There's no doubt that religious people do humanitarian things. |
Deep13 |
Sep-28-07 10:12 AM |
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I'm not so sure, Deep |
Rage for Order |
Sep-28-07 11:44 PM |
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I would think the deadliest virus created... |
LanternWaste |
Sep-28-07 08:38 AM |
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Do the math |
theredpen |
Sep-28-07 09:03 AM |
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Impossible. Virus can't live outside the body for more than a couple of minutes. |
sparosnare |
Sep-27-07 04:07 PM |
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Not true. |
JackBeck |
Sep-28-07 10:11 AM |
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I meant HIV - didn't specify though. It's very weak compared to Hep viruses. |
sparosnare |
Sep-28-07 11:02 AM |
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Thanks for the clarification. |
JackBeck |
Sep-28-07 11:23 AM |
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Various African leaders seem compelled to spread myths about HIV and AIDS |
theredpen |
Sep-27-07 04:12 PM |
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You have GOT to be kidding. |
Deep13 |
Sep-27-07 07:58 PM |
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I was kidding. |
theredpen |
Sep-27-07 09:39 PM |
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What sickness has emanated from that institution |
DemGa |
Sep-27-07 04:12 PM |
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It ain't gonna be pretty when he goes to meet his maker |
LittleClarkie |
Sep-27-07 07:57 PM |
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Teaching abstinence only IMHO is probably doing a good enough job at causing genocide. eom |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Sep-27-07 07:59 PM |
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Where do people come up with this stuff? |
Rage for Order |
Sep-27-07 10:41 PM |
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"...we'd hear about many more people than this one guy saying this..." |
Deep13 |
Sep-28-07 10:16 AM |
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Sep-27-07 11:12 PM |
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completely impossible |
Horse with no Name |
Sep-27-07 11:20 PM |
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Remember, this is a guy who believes in transubstantiation |
jgraz |
Sep-27-07 11:26 PM |
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Why is believing in transubstantiation a problem? n/t |
theredpen |
Sep-27-07 11:55 PM |
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Why *indeed*? |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-28-07 12:00 AM |
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It's all a bunch of TX bullshit.. Nothing good ever came... |
KAZ |
Sep-28-07 12:12 AM |
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Hm. I know plenty of good things that come from TX. to each his or her own. |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-28-07 12:14 AM |
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Because it's childish nonsense that doesn't actually exist? |
dicksteele |
Sep-28-07 12:13 AM |
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What do you mean it doesn't actually exist? |
theredpen |
Sep-28-07 12:32 AM |
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Are you actually saying you didn't understand that simple sentence? |
dicksteele |
Sep-28-07 08:20 AM |
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No, I'm saying that you're wrong. |
theredpen |
Sep-28-07 09:07 AM |
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Clearly, speaking with you serves no useful purpose, so I'll stop. You have a nice day. nm |
dicksteele |
Sep-28-07 09:25 AM |
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Clearly I'm... what? |
theredpen |
Sep-28-07 09:42 AM |
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It demonstrates a propensity to accept ridiculous notions |
jgraz |
Sep-28-07 12:18 AM |
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What evidence to the contrary of what claim? n/t |
theredpen |
Sep-28-07 12:32 AM |
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Aw jeez, if you can't keep up, nobody's going to want to play with you |
jgraz |
Sep-28-07 01:17 AM |
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If you have a point, make it. |
theredpen |
Sep-28-07 07:52 AM |
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Religion gone wild! |
Bozita |
Sep-28-07 12:15 AM |
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This is John Kerry's fault |
Truthiness Inspector |
Sep-28-07 12:50 AM |
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LOL |
WildEyedLiberal |
Sep-28-07 02:30 AM |
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An AFRICAN Catholic archbishop -- if YOU were |
DemBones DemBones |
Sep-28-07 02:43 AM |
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Laugh or cry? |
Prophet 451 |
Sep-28-07 02:51 AM |
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Overpopulation is KILLING the planet, and the Catholic Church... |
Junkdrawer |
Sep-28-07 10:20 AM |
#107 |