Raksha
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Fri Sep-28-07 01:31 AM
Response to Reply #73 |
| 104. I am well aware of the unholy alliance of Church and State |
|
and what disastrous results it had for the Jews in Europe.
Re As you go back in history, it becomes nearly impossible to separate the church from political institutions -- they were the same thing, for the most part.
Certainly Jews had been used as scapegoats for centuries, and hated for it, to boot. In many "Christian" countries, laws against usury prohibited Christians from lending or borrowing money. Enter the Jews, who were pushed into the role, and then hated for it. Convenient, huh?
No argument there! In fact, the big attraction of America as a destination for Jewish immigrants like my grandparents was precisely the "wall of separation between church and state" (Jefferson) the fundies claim doesn't exist because those words aren't in the Constitution. The Jews knew that principle would protect them from persecution like nothing else, and that's why we continue to defend it with such passion today. We are well aware it has literally saved our lives.
|
| -Why the Jewish part of the Holocaust is viewed as unique |
cali |
Sep-26-07 11:07 PM |
#0 |
-
So... can I ask a serious question... |
MazeRat7 |
Sep-26-07 11:14 PM |
#1 |
 -
Here |
JohnLocke |
Sep-26-07 11:17 PM |
#2 |
  -
That was damned interesting 'site |
qdemn7 |
Sep-27-07 01:51 AM |
#43 |
  -
Very odd site... |
Chulanowa |
Sep-27-07 03:12 AM |
#53 |
   -
It's been a few years since I went through the Aish 'tutorial" |
Raksha |
Sep-27-07 05:21 AM |
#63 |
   -
aish.com is an orthodox Jewish website |
ikojo |
Sep-27-07 06:48 PM |
#96 |
  -
The Jews are persecutet for their superior ideas? |
Niccolo_Macchiavelli |
Sep-27-07 04:42 AM |
#57 |
  -
Having plowed through it, finally |
JackRiddler |
Sep-27-07 07:02 AM |
#71 |
   -
I finally plowed through the Aish tutorial again last night, |
Raksha |
Sep-27-07 06:38 PM |
#94 |
  -
Thanks for your thoughtful response. |
JackRiddler |
Sep-27-07 09:11 PM |
#100 |
  -
You mentioned in your previous post (the one I was responding to) |
Raksha |
Sep-28-07 01:03 AM |
#103 |
  -
Raksha... |
JackRiddler |
Sep-28-07 10:07 AM |
#106 |
  -
The history of europe is dotted with persecution of the jewish people |
KurtNYC |
Sep-27-07 09:18 AM |
#75 |
 -
I think it is rooted in Christian bigotry against Jews and others such as Roma Gypsies |
Selatius |
Sep-26-07 11:19 PM |
#3 |
  -
Yet Hitler wasn't a Christian. |
spoony |
Sep-27-07 03:54 AM |
#55 |
 -
He was a cultural Catholic |
PDenton |
Sep-27-07 05:07 AM |
#59 |
 -
Don't be so sure? |
JackRiddler |
Sep-28-07 10:10 AM |
#107 |
 -
In part, the "Christ Killer meme" |
cali |
Sep-26-07 11:25 PM |
#5 |
  -
Hitler blamed the domestic Jews for betraying Germany. |
Usrename |
Sep-27-07 01:02 AM |
#34 |
 -
The Germans In General Did not Feel Threatened By The Jews At All |
MannyGoldstein |
Sep-26-07 11:27 PM |
#6 |
  -
Sure, but a couple of things |
cali |
Sep-26-07 11:40 PM |
#7 |
   -
That's kind of what I'm getting after reading a bit... |
MazeRat7 |
Sep-26-07 11:48 PM |
#9 |
    -
A Really Fantastic Book That I Recommend |
MannyGoldstein |
Sep-26-07 11:57 PM |
#11 |
     -
Thanks !!! I'll check it out. -nt |
MazeRat7 |
Sep-27-07 12:11 AM |
#15 |
     -
Thanks. |
Sequoia |
Sep-27-07 03:48 PM |
#81 |
    -
We can see this happening now, in America, when phrases like "Axis of Evil" |
Lerkfish |
Sep-27-07 01:02 AM |
#35 |
   -
I've always thought, though, perhaps incorrectly, that "Axis of Evil" as used |
tigereye |
Sep-27-07 05:34 PM |
#92 |
   -
"The latent anti-Semitism extant within the culture..." |
Raksha |
Sep-27-07 01:33 AM |
#40 |
    -
As you go back in history, it becomes nearly impossible to separate |
JerseygirlCT |
Sep-27-07 07:24 AM |
#73 |
   -
I am well aware of the unholy alliance of Church and State |
Raksha |
Sep-28-07 01:31 AM |
#104 |
   -
Yup. nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Sep-28-07 07:19 AM |
#105 |
   -
Germany had desperate poverty from the Depression |
PDenton |
Sep-27-07 04:29 AM |
#56 |
    -
nice analysis |
tigereye |
Sep-27-07 05:41 PM |
#93 |
   -
Yes, and though pre-war Germany was |
JerseygirlCT |
Sep-27-07 07:20 AM |
#72 |
   -
What Hitler did was tap into a latent antisemitism |
ikojo |
Sep-27-07 07:04 PM |
#97 |
   -
Well, the LEADERS of the Nazi party were already anti-Semites, and didn't need convincing |
brentspeak |
Sep-27-07 07:15 PM |
#98 |
  -
They were, but anti-semitism was still a strong undercurrent... |
cynatnite |
Sep-27-07 12:14 AM |
#18 |
 -
Not an expert, but a history professor made the interesting point that |
Lerkfish |
Sep-27-07 01:00 AM |
#33 |
  -
Well, that's conjecture |
cali |
Sep-27-07 01:27 AM |
#37 |
 -
Blood Sucking Jews: check this out, they thought it literally! |
pink-o |
Sep-27-07 03:21 PM |
#80 |
 -
Centuries of European tradition |
Chulanowa |
Sep-27-07 02:34 AM |
#52 |
 -
Honestly? The main reason: They were within reach |
HamdenRice |
Sep-27-07 02:20 PM |
#78 |
 -
Notice that the Communists also ran progroms against the Jews -- ironically. .... |
defendandprotect |
Sep-27-07 04:04 PM |
#83 |
-
Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Sep-26-07 11:25 PM |
#4 |
-
The Armenian Genocide was carefully planned out. I wonder if Hitler |
alfredo |
Sep-26-07 11:43 PM |
#8 |
 -
I'd like to know more about the Armenian Holocaust |
cali |
Sep-26-07 11:48 PM |
#10 |
  -
Atom Egoyan has a movie about it called Ararat. |
Swede |
Sep-27-07 12:11 AM |
#14 |
   -
I love his work and I've |
cali |
Sep-27-07 12:13 AM |
#17 |
  -
My neighbor is of Armenian decent, and he recommended this dvd |
Emit |
Sep-27-07 12:11 AM |
#16 |
   -
Thank you |
cali |
Sep-27-07 12:16 AM |
#19 |
  -
Here's a good start. |
alfredo |
Sep-27-07 12:19 AM |
#20 |
 -
Thanks. That looks like |
cali |
Sep-27-07 12:23 AM |
#21 |
 -
No biggie. Google Armenian Genocide and I am sure you will find |
alfredo |
Sep-27-07 12:32 AM |
#24 |
 -
And continues to insist that genocide never happened... nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Sep-27-07 07:29 AM |
#74 |
 -
Hitler said he learned something from the US government genocide of native Indians --- !!!! |
defendandprotect |
Sep-27-07 04:08 PM |
#84 |
-
Reservations = Warsaw Ghetto? One American general said that |
alfredo |
Sep-27-07 05:00 PM |
#89 |
-
Vatican, both re "native Indians" and "Africans" in America . . . kill them . . . |
defendandprotect |
Sep-27-07 11:19 PM |
#101 |
-
Fema trailer cities. |
alfredo |
Sep-27-07 11:35 PM |
#102 |
-
Thanks for bringing this up |
rockymountaindem |
Sep-27-07 12:03 AM |
#12 |
 -
You're welcome. |
cali |
Sep-27-07 12:07 AM |
#13 |
-
I would strongly recommend some serious research |
piesRsquare |
Sep-27-07 12:43 AM |
#27 |
-
in terms of historical context, anyone here read Arendt's "Origins of Totalitarianism"? |
stranger81 |
Sep-27-07 12:47 AM |
#28 |
 -
to expand a bit, it frightens me to see shadows of what Arendt describes |
stranger81 |
Sep-27-07 12:51 AM |
#31 |
-
I meant in regard to the Palestinians. |
cali |
Sep-27-07 12:51 AM |
#30 |
 -
There's way, way too much information |
piesRsquare |
Sep-27-07 01:32 AM |
#39 |
-
Thanks for your imput, but in all honesty |
cali |
Sep-27-07 01:54 AM |
#44 |
-
I think you're right.. |
Jaap |
Sep-27-07 05:07 AM |
#60 |
-
A wonderful post, |
seasonedblue |
Sep-27-07 12:23 AM |
#22 |
-
I want to thank everyone who's participated on this thread |
cali |
Sep-27-07 12:29 AM |
#23 |
-
Didn't General Eisenhower visit the camps to be a prover that it happened? |
WilliamPitt |
Sep-27-07 12:38 AM |
#25 |
 -
OK,, Will |
cali |
Sep-27-07 12:43 AM |
#26 |
  -
Half a beer. |
WilliamPitt |
Sep-27-07 12:48 AM |
#29 |
 -
The Nazis themselves did a fine job of proving it happened. |
piesRsquare |
Sep-27-07 12:57 AM |
#32 |
-
Frankly, I don't think |
cali |
Sep-27-07 01:07 AM |
#36 |
 -
Ummm... |
piesRsquare |
Sep-27-07 01:44 AM |
#41 |
-
I sincerely hope you normally do a better job |
cali |
Sep-27-07 02:00 AM |
#45 |
-
Not To Hijack This Discussion On A Tangential Point |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Sep-27-07 05:13 AM |
#61 |
-
Terezin/Theresienstadt served multiple purposes |
piesRsquare |
Sep-27-07 06:24 AM |
#66 |
-
Himmler's own words: |
piesRsquare |
Sep-27-07 02:05 AM |
#47 |
-
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-27-07 01:29 AM |
#38 |
 -
You mean Raphael Johnson who's "work" is posted on Jew Watch |
cali |
Sep-27-07 01:45 AM |
#42 |
  -
And here's a bit about the original publisher of.... |
aaronbees |
Sep-27-07 02:06 AM |
#49 |
  -
"Slimy Shit"--BWAHAHAHA! |
piesRsquare |
Sep-27-07 02:07 AM |
#50 |
  -
Good lord...I feel like I need a bleach shower after opening |
bullwinkle428 |
Sep-27-07 09:27 AM |
#76 |
 -
I See Granite |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Sep-27-07 03:51 AM |
#54 |
 -
Yikes! |
LeftishBrit |
Sep-27-07 06:29 AM |
#69 |
-
Yeah, yeah, it's well known. |
Beerboy |
Sep-27-07 02:02 AM |
#46 |
 -
Hmmmm |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Sep-27-07 04:59 AM |
#58 |
-
And also, |
Beerboy |
Sep-27-07 02:06 AM |
#48 |
 -
Alright, well perhaps this'll have meaning: |
piesRsquare |
Sep-27-07 02:21 AM |
#51 |
  -
And don't forget.. |
Jaap |
Sep-27-07 05:20 AM |
#62 |
 -
You're so wrong.. |
Jaap |
Sep-27-07 05:23 AM |
#64 |
-
A word on the Romani people. |
Chovexani |
Sep-27-07 06:11 AM |
#65 |
 -
Important post |
LeftishBrit |
Sep-27-07 06:26 AM |
#68 |
 -
I didn't see any trivialization at all! |
piesRsquare |
Sep-27-07 06:37 AM |
#70 |
 -
Agree; this subject is too little known -- though there was a book some time back on the issue . |
defendandprotect |
Sep-27-07 04:15 PM |
#86 |
 -
Thank you! |
lastliberalintexas |
Sep-27-07 05:22 PM |
#91 |
-
Great post; important to remember all this! |
LeftishBrit |
Sep-27-07 06:25 AM |
#67 |
-
Allow me a measured dissent... |
JackRiddler |
Sep-27-07 12:26 PM |
#77 |
 -
Actually, it the euthanasia program did NOT wipe out the entire |
cali |
Sep-27-07 02:50 PM |
#79 |
-
The "Lebensraum" concept was always directed at Slavic neighbors, |
Jed Dilligan |
Sep-27-07 03:52 PM |
#82 |
 -
Keep in mind, Germany was 90% "Christian" . . . 70% Catholic . . .. |
defendandprotect |
Sep-27-07 04:14 PM |
#85 |
 -
You're reading into the OP, that which is not there |
cali |
Sep-27-07 04:34 PM |
#87 |
-
Who the fuck is Finklestein? nt |
Jed Dilligan |
Sep-27-07 04:36 PM |
#88 |
-
Sorry, I directed my |
cali |
Sep-27-07 05:12 PM |
#90 |
-
A Very Controversial Holocaust Scholar |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Sep-27-07 06:47 PM |
#95 |
-
Is "controversial" supposed to be the Mark of Cain? |
JackRiddler |
Sep-28-07 10:10 AM |
#108 |
-
Action T-4 predates the Jewish Holocaust |
PDenton |
Sep-27-07 07:52 PM |
#99 |