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126. I was under the impression that Zionist beliefs and those
self-proclaimed "Christians" who support it were behind the atrocities visited upon innocent Palestinians by the Israeli government.

Faith is not secondary enough, apparently. It's all based on some crazy mythology that both groups are brainwashed by. Come on, Rapture!
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  -Not reported in the MSM: What Ahmadinejad did on Monday afternoon Holly_Hobby  Sep-26-07 10:19 AM   #0 
  - Thank you. nt  snappyturtle   Sep-26-07 10:22 AM   #1 
  - More pictures  Holly_Hobby   Sep-26-07 10:27 AM   #4 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-26-07 10:30 AM   #12 
  - So it's okay to shake the hand of a guy who approves of stringing up gays  riderinthestorm   Sep-26-07 10:36 AM   #21 
  - Umm, wtf?  Bonobo   Sep-26-07 10:38 AM   #26 
  - You imply that Holly (a woman) is "ignorant"  riderinthestorm   Sep-26-07 10:48 AM   #48 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-26-07 10:53 AM   #56 
     - "These rabbis"  Dorian Gray   Sep-26-07 11:08 AM   #75 
     - having lived next to ultra-orthodox,  antifaschits   Sep-26-07 11:56 AM   #93 
     - You don't wanna know some of the other details  piesRsquare   Sep-27-07 02:42 AM   #157 
     - That happens all the time!  Dorian Gray   Sep-27-07 11:48 AM   #185 
     - Don't they pray every morning thanking God they weren't born women?  Chovexani   Sep-27-07 12:57 PM   #191 
     - I suspect it's out of modesty instead of an implication of being unclean  LittleClarkie   Sep-26-07 11:09 PM   #135 
     - Actually,  piesRsquare   Sep-27-07 03:27 AM   #163 
     - You do realize they wont touch any woman that's  leftynyc   Sep-27-07 04:41 AM   #168 
  - Of course  gaspee   Sep-26-07 11:04 AM   #69 
  - Gays: bringing organized religions together  Chovexani   Sep-27-07 12:55 PM   #189 
  - "Fundamentalist" Jews Are No Different Than Other Fundamentalists  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-26-07 10:41 AM   #31 
  - THA T is the truth!!! Fanaticism in ANY direction is dangerous...particularly since they usually  BrklynLib at work   Sep-27-07 08:01 AM   #173 
  - I would not say Orthodox are necessarily fundamentalists  PDenton   Sep-27-07 10:48 AM   #181 
  - You're right  Holly_Hobby   Sep-26-07 10:42 AM   #35 
  - Orthodox and ultra-orthodox is like a conservative branch.  Bonobo   Sep-26-07 10:45 AM   #40 
  - Heck I am Buddhist and a I met a Rabbi on a dating site who wanted to go out  Maraya1969   Sep-27-07 02:40 AM   #156 
  - I Don't Think An Orthodox Jew Is Allowed To Touch A Woman Other Than His Wife  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-26-07 10:48 AM   #47 
     - Yup that is true.  stellanoir   Sep-26-07 10:55 AM   #59 
  - Orthodox= too good to touch infidels, women or other unclean  madeline_con   Sep-26-07 09:50 PM   #124 
     - Not "too good."  freedom fighter jh   Sep-27-07 07:36 AM   #171 
  - LOL.  cali   Sep-26-07 10:43 AM   #38 
  - Check out your source.  Zandor   Sep-26-07 10:53 AM   #54 
     - Why don't you use a little more reason - how is everyone supposed  higher class   Sep-26-07 11:47 AM   #91 
     - I questioned the source  Zandor   Sep-26-07 12:03 PM   #95 
     - that is the same rationale that bush uses not to do diplomacy.  roguevalley   Sep-26-07 01:22 PM   #106 
        - I second that roguevalley EOM  Freeusfromthechurch   Sep-27-07 09:55 AM   #178 
     - Nothing Wrong With Working For Peace...  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-26-07 12:19 PM   #101 
     - These Rabbis are NOT "pursuing peace"!  piesRsquare   Sep-27-07 02:46 AM   #158 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-26-07 11:16 PM   #137 
     - It doesn't really look like he is does he?  frankf   Sep-28-07 01:14 PM   #198 
  - Actually reported in Haaretz with context.  Mass   Sep-26-07 10:25 AM   #2 
  - Are they a pacifist group?  2rth2pwr   Sep-26-07 10:28 AM   #7 
     - Nope - They are a group that believes that Israel is not in this world and has  Mass   Sep-26-07 10:30 AM   #10 
        - They Are Waiting For The Messiah To Establish The Jewish State  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-26-07 10:35 AM   #20 
        - Well, let me just say they have a very good point.  madeline_con   Sep-26-07 09:58 PM   #125 
  - How have Iranian Jews been fairing under Ahmadinejad?  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-26-07 10:26 AM   #3 
  - I don't know. Do you? n/t  Holly_Hobby   Sep-26-07 10:28 AM   #5 
  - No.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-26-07 10:29 AM   #8 
  - Here you go.  Bonobo   Sep-26-07 10:33 AM   #14 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-26-07 10:53 AM   #55 
     - Gobbledy gook  cali   Sep-26-07 11:03 AM   #68 
     - Very true!  LeftishBrit   Sep-27-07 12:55 PM   #188 
     - I was under the impression that Zionist beliefs and those  madeline_con   Sep-26-07 10:02 PM   #126 
        - Please do some research on "Practical Zionism"...  piesRsquare   Sep-27-07 03:02 AM   #160 
        - Thanks for the info  rosesaylavee   Sep-27-07 06:33 AM   #170 
        - Not really...  LeftishBrit   Sep-27-07 12:59 PM   #192 
     - Was there anything to the spying charges? n/t  JackRiddler   Sep-26-07 04:52 PM   #111 
     - Now there's an unbiased source for ya'  Emillereid   Sep-27-07 01:01 AM   #148 
     - Thats just a big paste there  frankf   Sep-28-07 01:23 PM   #199 
  - About As Well As African Americans In The Jim Crow South  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-26-07 10:33 AM   #16 
  - Jews and other religious minorities are officially discriminated against  cali   Sep-26-07 10:42 AM   #34 
  - So does Israel...  liberation   Sep-26-07 10:17 PM   #130 
  - Most of the Jewish in Iran  Dorian Gray   Sep-26-07 11:18 AM   #80 
  - three links that may help you to form an opinion  madrchsod   Sep-26-07 10:38 AM   #25 
  - Jews in Iran  Zandor   Sep-26-07 10:50 AM   #49 
  - Most Jews With Means Split...  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-26-07 10:54 AM   #57 
     - Quiet, you're upsetting those  Zandor   Sep-26-07 10:56 AM   #63 
     - Yeah, My Fiance From The Phillipines Worked For One In L A  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-26-07 11:02 AM   #67 
     - Ridiculous  higher class   Sep-26-07 11:57 AM   #94 
     - most people with means split, like my parents.  kineneb   Sep-26-07 06:30 PM   #116 
  - As far as I know, they all moved to los angeles.  robinlynne   Sep-26-07 11:05 AM   #70 
  - that's Tehrangeles, please :-)  kineneb   Sep-26-07 06:32 PM   #117 
  - I read recently that Iran's Jewish population is second largest in the ME, after Israel  Emit   Sep-27-07 02:38 AM   #155 
  - unfortunately the creation of Israel  PDenton   Sep-27-07 10:40 AM   #180 
  - wow, where did this news go?  lionesspriyanka   Sep-26-07 10:28 AM   #6 
  - Wouldn't you like to know. I doubt we'll see this presented by MSM.  snappyturtle   Sep-26-07 10:32 AM   #13 
  - It's not what you think  Marrah_G   Sep-26-07 11:06 AM   #72 
  - stovepiped into the WH propoganda grinder  Supersedeas   Sep-26-07 12:09 PM   #97 
  - Wow!  helderheid   Sep-26-07 10:29 AM   #9 
  - well, that's interesting.  nashville_brook   Sep-26-07 10:30 AM   #11 
  - I suggest reading the entire thread for just a wee bit  cali   Sep-26-07 10:47 AM   #43 
  - 11 recommends for that - Why?  Mass   Sep-26-07 10:33 AM   #15 
  - This is a beautiful moment for me. This is a peace step. This is  higher class   Sep-26-07 10:33 AM   #17 
  - "Jews have lived in Iran peacefully for long periods of time."  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-26-07 10:37 AM   #24 
  - Or now in Jena.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-26-07 10:44 AM   #39 
  - Ha  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-26-07 10:51 AM   #51 
  - ding  mikelgb   Sep-26-07 11:34 AM   #87 
  - Well, he didn't say this this period of time was included in one of those long periods  LittleClarkie   Sep-26-07 11:07 PM   #133 
  - This is pure propaganda  cali   Sep-26-07 10:50 AM   #50 
  - I don't agree Higher Class.  riderinthestorm   Sep-26-07 10:52 AM   #52 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-26-07 11:30 AM   #86 
  - Well, now that you put it THAT way.  madeline_con   Sep-26-07 10:06 PM   #128 
  - I didn't know about this group's severe break with their own brothers.  higher class   Sep-26-07 11:02 AM   #66 
     - "f you don't believe that there are minority religions living safely under majority religions, give  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-26-07 11:06 AM   #71 
     - There's a saying by Ben Franklin  riderinthestorm   Sep-26-07 11:12 AM   #77 
  - They belong to Neturei Karta (Guardians of the City)  sabra   Sep-26-07 10:33 AM   #18 
  - LOL! People here complain about the MSM and yet have  cali   Sep-26-07 10:33 AM   #19 
  - I am afraid some DUers show their profound ignorance in this thread.  Mass   Sep-26-07 10:36 AM   #22 
  - Imagine the ignorance in the rest of the US. OMG!  Bonobo   Sep-26-07 10:46 AM   #42 
  - Thanks.  Bonobo   Sep-26-07 10:39 AM   #29 
  - makes me sick  Marrah_G   Sep-26-07 10:42 AM   #37 
  - These same Haredi in Jerusalem  piesRsquare   Sep-27-07 03:22 AM   #162 
  - I don't mean to rain on the parade here, but...  Bonobo   Sep-26-07 10:36 AM   #23 
  - You do know anti-Zionist means anti-Israel, don't you? He met with a group that  blondeatlast   Sep-26-07 10:39 AM   #27 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-26-07 10:39 AM   #28 
  - Trying to keep an open mind here, but a direct quote contradicts what you are quoting, below:  blondeatlast   Sep-26-07 10:46 AM   #41 
  - "Jewish" is a religion, an ethnicity, a culture. Zionism is an idea some believe. n/t  Poll_Blind   Sep-26-07 10:47 AM   #46 
  - wow. if you think jews are all zionists, you need to read, and a lot.  robinlynne   Sep-26-07 11:07 AM   #74 
     - It comes directly from the OP. I know all Jews are not Zionists, but  blondeatlast   Sep-26-07 11:13 AM   #78 
     - no contradiction. My whole family is jewish and I have never even met a zionist.  robinlynne   Sep-26-07 11:20 AM   #84 
     - I guess is that the contradiction pointed to is between  Mass   Sep-26-07 11:25 AM   #85 
     - sounds like he is saying jews are zionists.  robinlynne   Sep-26-07 12:10 PM   #98 
     - Depends On Your Definition Of Zionism  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-26-07 12:15 PM   #100 
     - Congratulations...  piesRsquare   Sep-27-07 03:33 AM   #166 
     - I find it hard to believe that your excellent post is still up  truedelphi   Sep-26-07 04:07 PM   #108 
     - Zionism Is Simply The Belief That Jews Should Have Their Own Homeland  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-27-07 02:29 AM   #153 
     - I think the chances are that you have met some Zionists...  LeftishBrit   Sep-27-07 01:18 PM   #194 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-26-07 11:41 AM   #88 
        - Thanks--I honestly was confused, and admittedly pretty ignorant. nt  blondeatlast   Sep-26-07 11:43 AM   #90 
        - You are correct  Lithos   Sep-28-07 01:10 AM   #197 
     - if you don't think that the majority  cali   Sep-26-07 04:33 PM   #110 
  - Read Herzl  madeline_con   Sep-26-07 10:11 PM   #129 
  - Zionism in the usual sense  PDenton   Sep-27-07 11:03 AM   #182 
  - I deny that meeting took place. Only jews who hate him are real.  the other one   Sep-26-07 10:39 AM   #30 
  - Please read this entire thread. You are purchasing very cheesy propoganda.  Bonobo   Sep-26-07 10:41 AM   #33 
  - You know, I'd find that funny if I hadn't read that sentiment (but meant SERIOUSLY)...  Poll_Blind   Sep-26-07 10:42 AM   #36 
  - Don't Light Any Matches Near Your Strawman  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-26-07 10:47 AM   #44 
  - How do you like  cali   Sep-26-07 10:55 AM   #61 
  - From the same article:  rateyes   Sep-26-07 10:41 AM   #32 
  - It's always been my understanding  cali   Sep-26-07 11:18 AM   #81 
     - I honestly don't think I get your interpretation here, cali.  Usrename   Sep-27-07 12:20 AM   #145 
     - Israel is a theocracy the way England  cali   Sep-27-07 11:15 AM   #184 
     - You got it right  piesRsquare   Sep-27-07 03:52 AM   #167 
     - I think you are missing the entire religious aspect of the argument. A prevalent belief among  IsItJustMe   Sep-27-07 09:17 AM   #176 
  - damned Israel-hating, Jew-hating,  leftofthedial   Sep-26-07 10:47 AM   #45 
  - The Jewish Equivalent Of Clarence Thomas And Armstrong Williams  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-26-07 10:53 AM   #53 
  - That's a nasty comment to make about them, considering they're just being Orthodox Jews. n/t  Poll_Blind   Sep-26-07 10:55 AM   #60 
     - Your ignorance is showing.  cali   Sep-26-07 11:06 AM   #73 
     - But the "Orthodox" you refer to don't recognize OTHER Jewish sects (Reform, Conservative) either.  Poll_Blind   Sep-26-07 11:13 AM   #79 
     - So in order to be Jewish, one has to accept a 100% political idea?  Chulanowa   Sep-27-07 02:17 AM   #151 
        - Um...where did you get that from?  piesRsquare   Sep-27-07 03:29 AM   #164 
        - Lemme guess  cali   Sep-27-07 11:07 AM   #183 
           - Not at all  Chulanowa   Sep-27-07 12:21 PM   #186 
     - Hence The Remark About Their Motivation  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-26-07 11:11 AM   #76 
        - You're attempting to indict Orthodox Jewry in general, NOT the Neturei Karta.  Poll_Blind   Sep-26-07 11:18 AM   #82 
           - There Are Orthodox Jews In Israel That Oppose The Creation Of A Jewish State  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-26-07 11:41 AM   #89 
              - Actually, your confusion is not a-typical. A micture of economic need and the desire...  Poll_Blind   Sep-26-07 11:51 AM   #92 
  - LOL  cali   Sep-26-07 10:54 AM   #58 
  - They Remind Me Of The Iraqi National Congress In Exile That Bush* Palled Around With  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-26-07 10:57 AM   #64 
  - Really cheesy Propoganda. How does it taste? Seriously? You had a bellyful.  Bonobo   Sep-26-07 10:57 AM   #65 
  - Thanks you made me LOL.  frankf   Sep-28-07 01:27 PM   #200 
  - What President Bush did to help debt-riddled homeowners (Look, ma, no propaganda here...)  blondeatlast   Sep-26-07 10:56 AM   #62 
  - White House website--is it news or propaganda?  blondeatlast   Sep-26-07 11:19 AM   #83 
  - Did this really happen? Was it recent?  The Stranger   Sep-26-07 12:07 PM   #96 
  - Yep, two days ago. n/t  Poll_Blind   Sep-26-07 12:13 PM   #99 
  - some clarifications about "orthodox" Judiaism  onenote   Sep-26-07 12:24 PM   #102 
  - Recommendations for this thread are a grand mistake.  higher class   Sep-26-07 12:25 PM   #103 
  - Uh, that's fine but I recommended for the OP, not the replies. I think others use the same...  Poll_Blind   Sep-26-07 12:30 PM   #104 
     - That someone as bright  cali   Sep-26-07 01:19 PM   #105 
  - Recommended. Brilliant example of how myopic MSM is.  robertpaulsen   Sep-26-07 01:50 PM   #107 
  - um.  cali   Sep-26-07 04:29 PM   #109 
     - Yes, and I still beat my wife too.  robertpaulsen   Sep-26-07 07:04 PM   #118 
  - funny...I must have missed this on the corporate media coverage.  mod mom   Sep-26-07 04:53 PM   #112 
  - What's funny is that people are falling for the purest PROPAGANDA  cali   Sep-26-07 06:20 PM   #115 
     - Neturei Karta is their name  WilyWondr   Sep-26-07 11:42 PM   #143 
  - Well Surprise, Surprise  Megahurtz   Sep-26-07 04:57 PM   #113 
  - Very cool post. And now our country will bomb thousands over there!  superkia   Sep-26-07 06:02 PM   #114 
  - Yeah, but these were the guys that went to the Holocaust "conference" in Tehran  dmesg   Sep-26-07 07:41 PM   #119 
  - rec  ooglymoogly   Sep-26-07 08:08 PM   #120 
  - This kind of information is on total lockdown by corporate news  ooglymoogly   Sep-26-07 08:13 PM   #121 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-26-07 09:28 PM   #122 
  - That's just ridiculous  cali   Sep-26-07 09:45 PM   #123 
  - Zionism is a destructive ideology... not supported by most Jews  alittlelark   Sep-26-07 10:28 PM   #131 
     - Sorry. That's not only not true, it's  cali   Sep-26-07 10:53 PM   #132 
        - There are many types of Zionism... but the fundamentalist whacko  alittlelark   Sep-26-07 11:08 PM   #134 
        - And that's what I was saying in my posts  cali   Sep-26-07 11:17 PM   #138 
           - What posts? I was responding to the OP when you got all  alittlelark   Sep-26-07 11:28 PM   #141 
        - It's a complex issue...  NoGodsNoMasters   Sep-26-07 11:18 PM   #139 
           - The Likud party is not extremist Zionism  piesRsquare   Sep-27-07 03:05 AM   #161 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-26-07 11:14 PM   #136 
  - How creative!!!!  alittlelark   Sep-26-07 11:30 PM   #142 
  - No they're not; they are a very diverse group  LeftishBrit   Sep-27-07 01:13 PM   #193 
  - Ahmadinejad Meets Clerics, and Decibels Drop a Notch  Scurrilous   Sep-26-07 10:03 PM   #127 
  - Now that's a valuable story  cali   Sep-26-07 11:19 PM   #140 
  - My heart is broken...  Baby Snooks   Sep-27-07 12:21 AM   #146 
  - K&R. n/t  siri2k   Sep-26-07 11:55 PM   #144 
  - There is more to this interatction I am sure than most people wish to accept out of hand  Hoof Hearted   Sep-27-07 12:37 AM   #147 
  - Newsflash: Propaganda!  Jack_Dawson   Sep-27-07 01:20 AM   #149 
  - Yes, but now you must separate their propaganda from the AIPAC/CNN/FOX cabal  JCMach1   Sep-27-07 01:59 AM   #150 
  - I can't believe this pure propaganda has 50 recs.  mhatrw   Sep-27-07 02:27 AM   #152 
  - Oh, a photo op to show he's a good guy...  cynatnite   Sep-27-07 02:30 AM   #154 
  - He does have balls  Goat52a   Sep-27-07 03:02 AM   #159 
  - With all due respect, this WAS reported in the MSM a day before you started this thread.  Heidi   Sep-27-07 03:31 AM   #165 
  - Where's the photo of him skating around the rink, holding the cup aloft? n/t  RufusTFirefly   Sep-27-07 05:07 AM   #169 
  - That's a lovely picture but at worst he's a holocaust denier and at best...  LynneSin   Sep-27-07 08:01 AM   #172 
  - I am so sick of this crap.  mmcghenn   Sep-27-07 08:18 AM   #174 
  - You know  kenfrequed   Sep-27-07 08:56 AM   #175 
  - If there is a God ...  Gonnuts   Sep-27-07 09:30 AM   #177 
  - Whatever,  ejbr   Sep-27-07 10:04 AM   #179 
  - These Jewish rabbis are extreme religious anti-Zionists; that's probably the reason  LeftishBrit   Sep-27-07 12:54 PM   #187 
  - wow - awesome link  mdmc   Sep-27-07 12:56 PM   #190 
  - Still Looking For A Reason To Jump Into Bed With This Guy?  NeedleCast   Sep-27-07 02:08 PM   #195 
     - The only reason  Lurking Dem   Sep-27-07 02:46 PM   #196 
 

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