Warren DeMontague
(1000+ posts)
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Thu Sep-27-07 04:08 AM
Response to Original message |
| 94. Because too many "Liberals" have done a piss-poor job of articulating that personal freedom, |
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i.e. the right of individuals to make their own damn decisions about their own lives and bodies- is a LIBERAL value. Too many liberals (and Democratic Party leaders) have been unwilling to stand up against the right-wing culture war machine, in a misguided play to "woo the values voter". Instead of articulating a cogent, consistent, across-the-board socially or left-libertarian (please don't make me explain the difference between that and the big-L Libertarian Party, again!) argument that what consenting adults do with their own bodies is their own business insofar as they aren't harming or endangering anyone else- that government should stay out of citizens' bodies, bedrooms, and bloodstreams, our party has been lax in defining itself as the alternative to an increasingly theocratic, authoritarian, and downright nutty GOP. This is a loss of a tremendous opportunity, because there ARE so many disaffected Republicans and independents who lean "libertarian" on personal freedom issues. The "conventional wisdom" chucklefucks are all wrong when they blather about how culturally conservative the American People are, and BOTH parties buy it. Remember how Terri Schiavo bit the GOP on the ass? They were surprised- I wasn't. There is a strong "leave my shit alone" streak in the American Voter. We should take advantage of it, by articulating some brave and unapologetic principles, like: An end the idiotic, wasteful, drug war.
Our GLBT friends deserve FULL equality, including marriage rights.
Protect the right to choose.
End the war on contraception and contraceptive access.
Stop wasting taxpayer dollars fighting things like consenting adult porn (part of the problem the South Park crowd has, I suspect, is that they see too many so-called "Liberals" out there finger-wagging and advocating things like censorship, just as the Right Wing does.. so they probably figure that at least the Right Wing will give them a tax cut in the process) Support the Separation of Church & State, unapologetically.
Etc. But beyond all that, when all is said and done, I think Parker & Stone are given more credit than they're due. They're not terribly bright, and that show is tired. (Although the South Park Movie was a riot, and the musical numbers in that thing were brilliant) Personally, I think Beavis & Butthead were FAR funnier. And give me the old Ren & Stimpy's (from John Kricfalusi) any day.
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Why do "South Park" voters hate Liberals? |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-26-07 10:00 AM |
#0 |

It's false balance. |
redqueen |
Sep-26-07 10:02 AM |
#1 |
 
"equally corrupt, equally useless"...that about sums it up* |
UnyieldingHierophant |
Sep-27-07 09:12 AM |
#118 |

I can't answer that - I watch South Park |
FLDem5 |
Sep-26-07 10:02 AM |
#2 |
 
Do they do both sides? |
redqueen |
Sep-26-07 10:03 AM |
#3 |
  
yes, there was some liberal bashing on the "smug" episode |
FLDem5 |
Sep-26-07 10:04 AM |
#5 |
   
Did you not see the movie? |
redqueen |
Sep-26-07 10:06 AM |
#9 |
    
Bush, Cheney, Frist, just off the top of my head. |
FLDem5 |
Sep-26-07 10:14 AM |
#17 |
     
I guess maybe they're trying harder to be balanced lately. |
redqueen |
Sep-26-07 10:15 AM |
#18 |
    
The Terri Schiavo episode makes a joke about the Republican Party doing Satan's bidding |
Hippo_Tron |
Sep-26-07 05:42 PM |
#75 |
    
Mel Gibson too |
app_farmer_rb |
Sep-27-07 05:32 PM |
#172 |
   
I think there was an SUV episode which mocked Liberals. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-26-07 10:12 AM |
#14 |
  
I think we are thinking of the same one... |
FLDem5 |
Sep-26-07 10:18 AM |
#22 |
   
It's hilarious, but it seems that each time I tune in, I keep seeing the same |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-26-07 10:24 AM |
#27 |
  
There was and it was another good one, as always. |
0007 |
Sep-27-07 11:41 AM |
#151 |
  
Ever see the Mormon episode? |
YOY |
Sep-26-07 10:04 AM |
#7 |
   
They did Mitt? |
redqueen |
Sep-26-07 10:05 AM |
#8 |
  
They did the religion in general |
YOY |
Sep-26-07 11:10 AM |
#46 |
  
My favorite lne is when Satan is |
Yupster |
Sep-26-07 10:57 AM |
#45 |
 
I like watching it too. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-26-07 10:11 AM |
#13 |

cause liberals are generally spineless |
Clovis Sangrail |
Sep-26-07 10:04 AM |
#4 |
 
B.S. Other than Kucinich and perhaps a couple of Senators, we have NO LIBERAL national leaders.nt |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-26-07 10:09 AM |
#11 |
  
I suppose that's really my point |
Clovis Sangrail |
Sep-26-07 10:31 AM |
#33 |
 
Watch closely who the people who are willing to put up a fight against the right. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-26-07 10:14 AM |
#16 |

Or even the occasional pariah, unabashed LIBERAL "little d" democrat? |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-26-07 10:23 AM |
#26 |

If their political perspective and opinions |
FooFootheSnoo |
Sep-26-07 10:04 AM |
#6 |
 
As opposed to the Daily Show and Colbert? Rigggght. nt |
Romulox |
Sep-26-07 10:10 AM |
#12 |
  
well... |
unpossibles |
Sep-26-07 04:59 PM |
#70 |
 
Agree 100%. I also enjoy all three shows |
Romulox |
Sep-27-07 10:59 AM |
# |
 
reflected by, not proceeding from |
JVS |
Sep-27-07 09:16 AM |
#119 |

Because the audience segment that adores "South Park" lean toward right wing libertarian ideology. n... |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-26-07 10:08 AM |
#10 |
 
libertarian =/= right wing any more than authoritarian = left wing |
Romulox |
Sep-26-07 10:12 AM |
#15 |
  
No, I think not since I have Junior High TEENS (must not say "kids") who love south park |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-26-07 10:16 AM |
#19 |
  
Perhaps the South Park voters are young liberals who want to make |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-26-07 10:16 AM |
#20 |
 
You slay me ... hello? It's a COMEDY cartoon show - not a f**king documentary. |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-26-07 10:20 AM |
#24 |
 
Yeah, like Idiocracy. |
redqueen |
Sep-26-07 10:25 AM |
#28 |
  
Wow! Yes, let's obsess on CARTOONS, with our country blowing up around us. Idiocracy? |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-26-07 10:33 AM |
#37 |
 
It's just a thread. |
redqueen |
Sep-26-07 10:36 AM |
#38 |
 
"South Park" voter is just a tag that the media network created. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-26-07 10:27 AM |
#30 |
 
exactly |
JVS |
Sep-27-07 11:26 AM |
#146 |
 
I think it's more that... |
sendero |
Sep-27-07 08:31 AM |
#115 |

Kids are pretty good at picking up on hypocrisy. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-27-07 10:00 AM |
#126 |

Because their TVs tell them to... |
Orsino |
Sep-26-07 10:17 AM |
#21 |
 
BINGO! A year's supply of Rice-A-Roni to you, my friend! eom |
Hobarticus |
Sep-26-07 05:36 PM |
#73 |

They Hate Liberals As Much as They Do Conservative/Fundies |
Crisco |
Sep-26-07 10:19 AM |
#23 |

Libertarian is today's buzz word for remorseful republicans |
Atman |
Sep-26-07 10:21 AM |
#25 |
 
I think your post is a thinly veiled attack on young people... |
Romulox |
Sep-26-07 10:28 AM |
#31 |
  
Young people do a lousy job of representing themselves |
Ikonoklast |
Sep-27-07 10:38 AM |
#133 |
 
"Give me the American lifestyle, but don't make me pay for it." |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-26-07 10:30 AM |
#32 |
  
That's rich! The boomers have run up the biggest trade and budget deficits in human history! nt |
Romulox |
Sep-26-07 10:38 AM |
#39 |
 
The boomers have been paying for theirs and everybody else's social programs. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-26-07 10:46 AM |
#41 |
 
Umm, then where did that 9 TRILLION dollar National Debt come from? |
Romulox |
Sep-26-07 10:54 AM |
#43 |
 
We were looking pretty good during the Clinton years. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-26-07 10:57 AM |
#44 |
 
6 Trillion dollars...nt |
Romulox |
Sep-26-07 04:36 PM |
#64 |
 
Eh? |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-26-07 07:15 PM |
#82 |
 
You asked. The National Debt was 6 TRILLION dollars when Clinton left office...nt |
Romulox |
Sep-27-07 10:06 AM |
#127 |
 
How old are you? |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-27-07 10:28 AM |
#131 |
  
None of your business. And your numbers are wrong. |
Romulox |
Sep-27-07 10:48 AM |
#136 |
 
You're putting words there that aren't in the article. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-27-07 10:59 AM |
#138 |
 
LOL, those "words" I'm putting in are called common known facts. |
Romulox |
Sep-27-07 11:08 AM |
#140 |
  
Read this section. I think you're confusing public debt with government debt: |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-27-07 11:14 AM |
#142 |
 
ALL of it must be paid by the US Taxpayer. (And thanks for directing me to my own link!) |
Romulox |
Sep-27-07 11:19 AM |
#145 |
 
So, here's my moment of realization: |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-27-07 11:30 AM |
#147 |
 
YES! YES! YES! |
Romulox |
Sep-27-07 11:35 AM |
#150 |
 
I tip my hat off to you, for the point. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-27-07 11:54 AM |
#152 |
 
Your numbers include only "public debt"; they exclude money owed Social Security... |
Romulox |
Sep-27-07 11:12 AM |
#141 |
 
Bullshit. Do your homework. n/t |
utopiansecretagent |
Sep-27-07 03:18 PM |
#165 |
 
I posted all the links upthread. It's true. nt |
Romulox |
Sep-27-07 04:16 PM |
#168 |
 
Libertarians just have not thought things through. |
redqueen |
Sep-26-07 10:32 AM |
#35 |

Some of us have |
Lilith Velkor |
Sep-26-07 09:56 PM |
#92 |

Identity politics. |
RandomKoolzip |
Sep-26-07 10:25 AM |
#29 |
 
You've obviously met a few. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-26-07 10:31 AM |
#34 |
 
Identity politics is bullshit |
PDenton |
Sep-26-07 05:35 PM |
#72 |
 
Well put..... |
Jade Fox |
Sep-26-07 09:12 PM |
#90 |
 
that's a great answer |
Enrique |
Sep-27-07 07:27 AM |
#106 |
  
Agree |
OzarkDem |
Sep-27-07 09:19 AM |
#120 |
 
Absolutely correct! |
stlsaxman |
Sep-27-07 07:53 AM |
#109 |
 
Exactly |
rockymountaindem |
Sep-27-07 09:34 AM |
#124 |

Libertarians-- the ultimate smartass at the back of the room who |
Malikshah |
Sep-26-07 10:33 AM |
#36 |
 
Well, I have read one positive comment made about them. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-26-07 10:50 AM |
#42 |
 
nailed it |
libnnc |
Sep-26-07 11:15 AM |
#47 |
  
Yup-- fighting them brings to mind the advice against wrestling with pigs |
Malikshah |
Sep-26-07 04:28 PM |
#61 |
 
Rather poignant they use Stan & Kyle to push their ideology |
Neo |
Sep-26-07 04:54 PM |
#68 |

As a resident of a real neighborhood called South Park, I say |
slackmaster |
Sep-26-07 10:44 AM |
#40 |
 
I bet you guys get it all the time. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-26-07 12:36 PM |
#54 |
  
I have lost count of the number of times I've been asked if we killed Kenny today |
slackmaster |
Sep-26-07 12:42 PM |
#56 |
 
You only call it South Park because you're trying to be North Park |
MindPilot |
Sep-26-07 04:50 PM |
#66 |

South Park Viewer don't frickin vote. They may cast a vote every 4 years for prez |
slampoet |
Sep-26-07 11:15 AM |
#48 |
 
MP raises hand. |
MindPilot |
Sep-26-07 04:54 PM |
#67 |

closer to Libertarians |
Johonny |
Sep-26-07 11:18 AM |
#49 |
 
They really have no idea. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-26-07 12:40 PM |
#55 |

I love South Park and I AM a liberal. I guess the TEE VEE was wrong AGAIN. |
Beelzebud |
Sep-26-07 11:24 AM |
#50 |

All 10 of them? |
PeterU |
Sep-26-07 11:30 AM |
#51 |

Because it's OK to hate liberals |
kenny blankenship |
Sep-26-07 12:09 PM |
#52 |
 
Good point. They're shooting the messenger. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-26-07 12:44 PM |
#57 |

It's because of the "Nanny" state that they feel we're trying to enforce |
NewJeffCT |
Sep-26-07 12:27 PM |
#53 |
 
Five and Six are dear to my heart. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-26-07 12:47 PM |
#58 |
  
I agree with you |
NewJeffCT |
Sep-26-07 02:16 PM |
#60 |
  
So what, precisely, is "dear to your heart" about telling consenting adults they can't look at |
impeachdubya |
Sep-27-07 04:18 AM |
#96 |
 
Nice strawman argument. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-27-07 04:57 AM |
#98 |
 
They sound like |
OzarkDem |
Sep-27-07 09:25 AM |
#121 |

this is why (follow the link) |
Tian Zhuangzhuang |
Sep-26-07 01:13 PM |
#59 |

Because making fun of liberals is like bullying the sensitive kid. n/t |
mhatrw |
Sep-26-07 04:32 PM |
#62 |

Because Matt Stone and Trey Parker (the creators of South Park) said those words, verbatim |
CT_Progressive |
Sep-26-07 04:35 PM |
#63 |
 
Well. I guess there's no spinning that one. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-26-07 07:13 PM |
#80 |
 
Here's an elaboration from REASON magazine |
mondo joe |
Sep-26-07 08:20 PM |
#89 |

Yeah it's the same old "I'm a moderate" bullcrap |
skids |
Sep-27-07 07:35 AM |
#107 |

It's just a cartoon |
liberal1973 |
Sep-26-07 04:42 PM |
#65 |
 
The rednecks in the southeast wouldn't be caught dead watching South Park. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-26-07 07:14 PM |
#81 |

I disagree |
PDenton |
Sep-27-07 06:25 AM |
#102 |

Southeastern rednecks are more on the conservative side. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-27-07 10:39 AM |
#134 |

I hate the media. |
Chovexani |
Sep-26-07 04:57 PM |
#69 |
 
Read post # 30. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-26-07 07:16 PM |
#83 |

Yes, and I get that |
Chovexani |
Sep-26-07 07:44 PM |
#87 |

I'm beginning to understand their social commentary. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-26-07 07:51 PM |
#88 |

Matt and Trey hate preachy, self important people |
PDenton |
Sep-26-07 05:30 PM |
#71 |
 
But, but, they come across as preachy, self important people. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-26-07 07:17 PM |
#84 |
  
They dig on themselves for that. |
spoony |
Sep-27-07 04:46 AM |
#97 |
  
That's true |
PDenton |
Sep-27-07 06:14 AM |
#100 |
 
Like themselves? |
OzarkDem |
Sep-27-07 09:28 AM |
#123 |

I don't see how construction paper cutouts |
PDenton |
Sep-27-07 01:59 PM |
#160 |

Isn't it funny how all these new "labeled" voters always hate liberals? |
WildEyedLiberal |
Sep-26-07 05:37 PM |
#74 |
 
Good catch! |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-26-07 07:17 PM |
#85 |
 
Remember "security moms" in 2004? |
PeterU |
Sep-27-07 09:00 AM |
#116 |
 
good point |
unpossibles |
Sep-27-07 02:52 PM |
#163 |

Because they're immature and intellectually lazy. n/t |
Iris |
Sep-26-07 05:43 PM |
#76 |

Because they have problems with AUTHORITAY?? n/t |
renie408 |
Sep-26-07 05:45 PM |
#77 |

Some people have this sterotype of a short PC-Nanystatist type who |
Puregonzo1188 |
Sep-26-07 05:51 PM |
#78 |
 
It's certainly not an accurate stereotype. In fact, most people here think consenting adults should |
impeachdubya |
Sep-27-07 04:13 AM |
#95 |

some people see liberals as against things |
PDenton |
Sep-27-07 06:21 AM |
#101 |

I think there are times and places for everything, frankly. |
impeachdubya |
Sep-27-07 01:19 PM |
#156 |

Nihilists! |
DefenseLawyer |
Sep-26-07 05:55 PM |
#79 |
 
Damn it! |
PeterU |
Sep-27-07 09:05 AM |
#117 |

For your information |
DefenseLawyer |
Sep-27-07 01:35 PM |
#159 |

Because the boob tube tells them too. |
muntrv |
Sep-26-07 07:26 PM |
#86 |

Because they see themselves in Cartman |
Rocknrule |
Sep-26-07 09:51 PM |
#91 |
 
Actually, there may be some truth to that. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-27-07 03:41 AM |
#93 |

They're also racist, sexist, selfish, assholic, stupid, petulant, and anti-Semetic like Cartman |
Rocknrule |
Sep-27-07 02:55 PM |
#164 |

Because too many "Liberals" have done a piss-poor job of articulating that personal freedom, |
impeachdubya |
Sep-27-07 04:08 AM |
#94 |
 
You nailed it. |
benEzra |
Sep-27-07 08:08 AM |
#112 |
 
All Good Points |
qdemn7 |
Sep-27-07 08:22 AM |
#114 |
  
I don't think Gun Control has been a front burner for National Democrats for some time. |
impeachdubya |
Sep-27-07 01:23 PM |
#157 |
  
word-up |
app_farmer_rb |
Sep-27-07 05:52 PM |
#173 |
 
HR 1022 |
qdemn7 |
Sep-27-07 06:37 PM |
#174 |
 
The problem is, many self-identified "liberals" LIKE the War on Drugs, the Police state, etc... |
Romulox |
Sep-27-07 10:32 AM |
#132 |

"you don't hear much critique of the incarceration rates of young black males around here" |
impeachdubya |
Sep-27-07 01:00 PM |
#153 |

What a silly critique! English doesn't have a third-party "you". |
Romulox |
Sep-27-07 02:32 PM |
#162 |

You seem to have some very concete ideas as to what is wrong with this place. |
impeachdubya |
Sep-27-07 08:34 PM |
#176 |

This is why I watch the Venture Brothers. |
Progs Rock |
Sep-27-07 06:06 AM |
#99 |

I'll assume a cable news network, creating bull shit news so they don't have to cover real news. |
deacon |
Sep-27-07 07:10 AM |
#103 |

South Parkers are people who 1) have never read a book & 2) love cartoons by people who can't draw. |
Perry Logan |
Sep-27-07 07:19 AM |
#104 |
 
Exposing stupidity via comedy is nothing different than jon stewart |
deacon |
Sep-27-07 07:25 AM |
#105 |
 
there's plenty of literary references in South Park |
PDenton |
Sep-27-07 02:03 PM |
#161 |

It is because |
BoneDaddy |
Sep-27-07 07:51 AM |
#108 |

It's because "South Park" viewers have the mentality of... |
zanne |
Sep-27-07 08:00 AM |
#110 |

I'm not really a fan of the show |
Tian Zhuangzhuang |
Sep-27-07 08:07 AM |
#111 |
 
LOL! |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-27-07 10:17 AM |
#129 |

Were these the King Of the Hill voters from four years ago? |
spindoctor |
Sep-27-07 08:19 AM |
#113 |

Stupidity. |
AnotherGreenWorld |
Sep-27-07 09:27 AM |
#122 |

Because they're slack-jawed teenage "libertarians", that's why . . . |
hatrack |
Sep-27-07 09:46 AM |
#125 |

Self-righteousness and intolerance. ALL the stereotypical "liberal" stuff is on display right here! |
Romulox |
Sep-27-07 10:08 AM |
#128 |
 
You're pretty new around here. |
redqueen |
Sep-27-07 10:40 AM |
#135 |

Is that a threat? I'm not easily bullied! nt |
Romulox |
Sep-27-07 10:49 AM |
#137 |

Threat? |
redqueen |
Sep-27-07 11:07 AM |
#139 |

Once in Port Angeles, Washington, my wife and I were told, |
Romulox |
Sep-27-07 11:14 AM |
#143 |

Always do, thanks! n/t |
redqueen |
Sep-27-07 11:17 AM |
#144 |

The "I Got Mine" philosophy |
Siyahamba |
Sep-27-07 10:19 AM |
#130 |

Well, as a south park voter |
awoke_in_2003 |
Sep-27-07 11:31 AM |
#148 |

"south park voters"=Karl Rove propaganda |
RainDog |
Sep-27-07 11:35 AM |
#149 |

If they hate Republicans AND Liberals, maybe it's because they like |
WinkyDink |
Sep-27-07 01:04 PM |
#154 |

Feel That Neither Party Is In Line With Them |
NeedleCast |
Sep-27-07 01:09 PM |
#155 |

liberals? who is liberal? |
mdmc |
Sep-27-07 01:24 PM |
#158 |
 
SP fan here |
Old School |
Sep-27-07 03:19 PM |
#166 |

Welcome to DU bro |
mdmc |
Sep-28-07 08:26 PM |
#177 |

On C-Span , the originator of South Park was giving a speech |
OHdem10 |
Sep-27-07 03:51 PM |
#167 |
 
Stop and think about this for a minute. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Sep-27-07 05:27 PM |
#171 |

Die Hippie, Die |
liberalsoldier5 |
Sep-27-07 04:31 PM |
#169 |

If they are basing thier politics on a cartoon show |
booley |
Sep-27-07 04:42 PM |
#170 |

Political pundits that use terms like this have their heads up their ass |
Geek_Girl |
Sep-27-07 07:29 PM |
#175 |