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Reply #94: Because too many "Liberals" have done a piss-poor job of articulating that personal freedom, [View All]

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94. Because too many "Liberals" have done a piss-poor job of articulating that personal freedom,
i.e. the right of individuals to make their own damn decisions about their own lives and bodies- is a LIBERAL value.

Too many liberals (and Democratic Party leaders) have been unwilling to stand up against the right-wing culture war machine, in a misguided play to "woo the values voter". Instead of articulating a cogent, consistent, across-the-board socially or left-libertarian (please don't make me explain the difference between that and the big-L Libertarian Party, again!) argument that what consenting adults do with their own bodies is their own business insofar as they aren't harming or endangering anyone else- that government should stay out of citizens' bodies, bedrooms, and bloodstreams, our party has been lax in defining itself as the alternative to an increasingly theocratic, authoritarian, and downright nutty GOP.

This is a loss of a tremendous opportunity, because there ARE so many disaffected Republicans and independents who lean "libertarian" on personal freedom issues. The "conventional wisdom" chucklefucks are all wrong when they blather about how culturally conservative the American People are, and BOTH parties buy it. Remember how Terri Schiavo bit the GOP on the ass? They were surprised- I wasn't. There is a strong "leave my shit alone" streak in the American Voter.

We should take advantage of it, by articulating some brave and unapologetic principles, like:

An end the idiotic, wasteful, drug war.

Our GLBT friends deserve FULL equality, including marriage rights.

Protect the right to choose.

End the war on contraception and contraceptive access.

Stop wasting taxpayer dollars fighting things like consenting adult porn

(part of the problem the South Park crowd has, I suspect, is that they see too many so-called "Liberals" out there finger-wagging and advocating things like censorship, just as the Right Wing does.. so they probably figure that at least the Right Wing will give them a tax cut in the process)

Support the Separation of Church & State, unapologetically.

Etc.

But beyond all that, when all is said and done, I think Parker & Stone are given more credit than they're due. They're not terribly bright, and that show is tired. (Although the South Park Movie was a riot, and the musical numbers in that thing were brilliant)

Personally, I think Beavis & Butthead were FAR funnier. And give me the old Ren & Stimpy's (from John Kricfalusi) any day.

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  Why do "South Park" voters hate Liberals? The Backlash Cometh  Sep-26-07 10:00 AM   #0 
   It's false balance.  redqueen   Sep-26-07 10:02 AM   #1 
   "equally corrupt, equally useless"...that about sums it up*  UnyieldingHierophant   Sep-27-07 09:12 AM   #118 
   I can't answer that - I watch South Park  FLDem5   Sep-26-07 10:02 AM   #2 
   Do they do both sides?  redqueen   Sep-26-07 10:03 AM   #3 
   yes, there was some liberal bashing on the "smug" episode  FLDem5   Sep-26-07 10:04 AM   #5 
   Did you not see the movie?  redqueen   Sep-26-07 10:06 AM   #9 
   Bush, Cheney, Frist, just off the top of my head.  FLDem5   Sep-26-07 10:14 AM   #17 
   I guess maybe they're trying harder to be balanced lately.  redqueen   Sep-26-07 10:15 AM   #18 
   The Terri Schiavo episode makes a joke about the Republican Party doing Satan's bidding  Hippo_Tron   Sep-26-07 05:42 PM   #75 
   Mel Gibson too  app_farmer_rb   Sep-27-07 05:32 PM   #172 
   I think there was an SUV episode which mocked Liberals.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-26-07 10:12 AM   #14 
      I think we are thinking of the same one...  FLDem5   Sep-26-07 10:18 AM   #22 
      It's hilarious, but it seems that each time I tune in, I keep seeing the same  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-26-07 10:24 AM   #27 
      There was and it was another good one, as always.  0007   Sep-27-07 11:41 AM   #151 
   Ever see the Mormon episode?  YOY   Sep-26-07 10:04 AM   #7 
   They did Mitt?  redqueen   Sep-26-07 10:05 AM   #8 
      They did the religion in general  YOY   Sep-26-07 11:10 AM   #46 
   My favorite lne is when Satan is  Yupster   Sep-26-07 10:57 AM   #45 
   I like watching it too.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-26-07 10:11 AM   #13 
   cause liberals are generally spineless  Clovis Sangrail   Sep-26-07 10:04 AM   #4 
   B.S. Other than Kucinich and perhaps a couple of Senators, we have NO LIBERAL national leaders.nt  ShortnFiery   Sep-26-07 10:09 AM   #11 
   I suppose that's really my point  Clovis Sangrail   Sep-26-07 10:31 AM   #33 
   Watch closely who the people who are willing to put up a fight against the right.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-26-07 10:14 AM   #16 
      Or even the occasional pariah, unabashed LIBERAL "little d" democrat?  ShortnFiery   Sep-26-07 10:23 AM   #26 
   If their political perspective and opinions  FooFootheSnoo   Sep-26-07 10:04 AM   #6 
   As opposed to the Daily Show and Colbert? Rigggght. nt  Romulox   Sep-26-07 10:10 AM   #12 
   well...  unpossibles   Sep-26-07 04:59 PM   #70 
      Agree 100%. I also enjoy all three shows  Romulox   Sep-27-07 10:59 AM   # 
   reflected by, not proceeding from  JVS   Sep-27-07 09:16 AM   #119 
   Because the audience segment that adores "South Park" lean toward right wing libertarian ideology. n...  ShortnFiery   Sep-26-07 10:08 AM   #10 
   libertarian =/= right wing any more than authoritarian = left wing  Romulox   Sep-26-07 10:12 AM   #15 
   No, I think not since I have Junior High TEENS (must not say "kids") who love south park  ShortnFiery   Sep-26-07 10:16 AM   #19 
   Perhaps the South Park voters are young liberals who want to make  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-26-07 10:16 AM   #20 
      You slay me ... hello? It's a COMEDY cartoon show - not a f**king documentary.  ShortnFiery   Sep-26-07 10:20 AM   #24 
         Yeah, like Idiocracy.  redqueen   Sep-26-07 10:25 AM   #28 
         Wow! Yes, let's obsess on CARTOONS, with our country blowing up around us. Idiocracy?  ShortnFiery   Sep-26-07 10:33 AM   #37 
            It's just a thread.  redqueen   Sep-26-07 10:36 AM   #38 
         "South Park" voter is just a tag that the media network created.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-26-07 10:27 AM   #30 
            exactly  JVS   Sep-27-07 11:26 AM   #146 
   I think it's more that...  sendero   Sep-27-07 08:31 AM   #115 
      Kids are pretty good at picking up on hypocrisy.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-27-07 10:00 AM   #126 
   Because their TVs tell them to...  Orsino   Sep-26-07 10:17 AM   #21 
   BINGO! A year's supply of Rice-A-Roni to you, my friend! eom  Hobarticus   Sep-26-07 05:36 PM   #73 
   They Hate Liberals As Much as They Do Conservative/Fundies  Crisco   Sep-26-07 10:19 AM   #23 
   Libertarian is today's buzz word for remorseful republicans  Atman   Sep-26-07 10:21 AM   #25 
   I think your post is a thinly veiled attack on young people...  Romulox   Sep-26-07 10:28 AM   #31 
   Young people do a lousy job of representing themselves  Ikonoklast   Sep-27-07 10:38 AM   #133 
   "Give me the American lifestyle, but don't make me pay for it."  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-26-07 10:30 AM   #32 
   That's rich! The boomers have run up the biggest trade and budget deficits in human history! nt  Romulox   Sep-26-07 10:38 AM   #39 
      The boomers have been paying for theirs and everybody else's social programs.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-26-07 10:46 AM   #41 
         Umm, then where did that 9 TRILLION dollar National Debt come from?  Romulox   Sep-26-07 10:54 AM   #43 
            We were looking pretty good during the Clinton years.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-26-07 10:57 AM   #44 
               6 Trillion dollars...nt  Romulox   Sep-26-07 04:36 PM   #64 
                  Eh?  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-26-07 07:15 PM   #82 
                     You asked. The National Debt was 6 TRILLION dollars when Clinton left office...nt  Romulox   Sep-27-07 10:06 AM   #127 
                        How old are you?  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-27-07 10:28 AM   #131 
                        None of your business. And your numbers are wrong.  Romulox   Sep-27-07 10:48 AM   #136 
                           You're putting words there that aren't in the article.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-27-07 10:59 AM   #138 
                              LOL, those "words" I'm putting in are called common known facts.  Romulox   Sep-27-07 11:08 AM   #140 
                              Read this section. I think you're confusing public debt with government debt:  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-27-07 11:14 AM   #142 
                                 ALL of it must be paid by the US Taxpayer. (And thanks for directing me to my own link!)  Romulox   Sep-27-07 11:19 AM   #145 
                                    So, here's my moment of realization:  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-27-07 11:30 AM   #147 
                                       YES! YES! YES!  Romulox   Sep-27-07 11:35 AM   #150 
                                          I tip my hat off to you, for the point.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-27-07 11:54 AM   #152 
                              Your numbers include only "public debt"; they exclude money owed Social Security...  Romulox   Sep-27-07 11:12 AM   #141 
                        Bullshit. Do your homework. n/t  utopiansecretagent   Sep-27-07 03:18 PM   #165 
                           I posted all the links upthread. It's true. nt  Romulox   Sep-27-07 04:16 PM   #168 
   Libertarians just have not thought things through.  redqueen   Sep-26-07 10:32 AM   #35 
      Some of us have  Lilith Velkor   Sep-26-07 09:56 PM   #92 
   Identity politics.  RandomKoolzip   Sep-26-07 10:25 AM   #29 
   You've obviously met a few.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-26-07 10:31 AM   #34 
   Identity politics is bullshit  PDenton   Sep-26-07 05:35 PM   #72 
   Well put.....  Jade Fox   Sep-26-07 09:12 PM   #90 
   that's a great answer  Enrique   Sep-27-07 07:27 AM   #106 
   Agree  OzarkDem   Sep-27-07 09:19 AM   #120 
   Absolutely correct!  stlsaxman   Sep-27-07 07:53 AM   #109 
   Exactly  rockymountaindem   Sep-27-07 09:34 AM   #124 
   Libertarians-- the ultimate smartass at the back of the room who  Malikshah   Sep-26-07 10:33 AM   #36 
   Well, I have read one positive comment made about them.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-26-07 10:50 AM   #42 
   nailed it  libnnc   Sep-26-07 11:15 AM   #47 
   Yup-- fighting them brings to mind the advice against wrestling with pigs  Malikshah   Sep-26-07 04:28 PM   #61 
   Rather poignant they use Stan & Kyle to push their ideology  Neo   Sep-26-07 04:54 PM   #68 
   As a resident of a real neighborhood called South Park, I say  slackmaster   Sep-26-07 10:44 AM   #40 
   I bet you guys get it all the time.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-26-07 12:36 PM   #54 
   I have lost count of the number of times I've been asked if we killed Kenny today  slackmaster   Sep-26-07 12:42 PM   #56 
   You only call it South Park because you're trying to be North Park  MindPilot   Sep-26-07 04:50 PM   #66 
   South Park Viewer don't frickin vote. They may cast a vote every 4 years for prez  slampoet   Sep-26-07 11:15 AM   #48 
   MP raises hand.  MindPilot   Sep-26-07 04:54 PM   #67 
   closer to Libertarians  Johonny   Sep-26-07 11:18 AM   #49 
   They really have no idea.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-26-07 12:40 PM   #55 
   I love South Park and I AM a liberal. I guess the TEE VEE was wrong AGAIN.  Beelzebud   Sep-26-07 11:24 AM   #50 
   All 10 of them?  PeterU   Sep-26-07 11:30 AM   #51 
   Because it's OK to hate liberals  kenny blankenship   Sep-26-07 12:09 PM   #52 
   Good point. They're shooting the messenger.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-26-07 12:44 PM   #57 
   It's because of the "Nanny" state that they feel we're trying to enforce  NewJeffCT   Sep-26-07 12:27 PM   #53 
   Five and Six are dear to my heart.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-26-07 12:47 PM   #58 
   I agree with you  NewJeffCT   Sep-26-07 02:16 PM   #60 
   So what, precisely, is "dear to your heart" about telling consenting adults they can't look at  impeachdubya   Sep-27-07 04:18 AM   #96 
      Nice strawman argument.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-27-07 04:57 AM   #98 
   They sound like  OzarkDem   Sep-27-07 09:25 AM   #121 
   this is why (follow the link)  Tian Zhuangzhuang   Sep-26-07 01:13 PM   #59 
   Because making fun of liberals is like bullying the sensitive kid. n/t  mhatrw   Sep-26-07 04:32 PM   #62 
   Because Matt Stone and Trey Parker (the creators of South Park) said those words, verbatim  CT_Progressive   Sep-26-07 04:35 PM   #63 
   Well. I guess there's no spinning that one.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-26-07 07:13 PM   #80 
   Here's an elaboration from REASON magazine  mondo joe   Sep-26-07 08:20 PM   #89 
      Yeah it's the same old "I'm a moderate" bullcrap  skids   Sep-27-07 07:35 AM   #107 
   It's just a cartoon  liberal1973   Sep-26-07 04:42 PM   #65 
   The rednecks in the southeast wouldn't be caught dead watching South Park.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-26-07 07:14 PM   #81 
      I disagree  PDenton   Sep-27-07 06:25 AM   #102 
         Southeastern rednecks are more on the conservative side.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-27-07 10:39 AM   #134 
   I hate the media.  Chovexani   Sep-26-07 04:57 PM   #69 
   Read post # 30.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-26-07 07:16 PM   #83 
      Yes, and I get that  Chovexani   Sep-26-07 07:44 PM   #87 
         I'm beginning to understand their social commentary.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-26-07 07:51 PM   #88 
   Matt and Trey hate preachy, self important people  PDenton   Sep-26-07 05:30 PM   #71 
   But, but, they come across as preachy, self important people.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-26-07 07:17 PM   #84 
   They dig on themselves for that.  spoony   Sep-27-07 04:46 AM   #97 
   That's true  PDenton   Sep-27-07 06:14 AM   #100 
   Like themselves?  OzarkDem   Sep-27-07 09:28 AM   #123 
      I don't see how construction paper cutouts  PDenton   Sep-27-07 01:59 PM   #160 
   Isn't it funny how all these new "labeled" voters always hate liberals?  WildEyedLiberal   Sep-26-07 05:37 PM   #74 
   Good catch!  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-26-07 07:17 PM   #85 
   Remember "security moms" in 2004?  PeterU   Sep-27-07 09:00 AM   #116 
   good point  unpossibles   Sep-27-07 02:52 PM   #163 
   Because they're immature and intellectually lazy. n/t  Iris   Sep-26-07 05:43 PM   #76 
   Because they have problems with AUTHORITAY?? n/t  renie408   Sep-26-07 05:45 PM   #77 
   Some people have this sterotype of a short PC-Nanystatist type who  Puregonzo1188   Sep-26-07 05:51 PM   #78 
   It's certainly not an accurate stereotype. In fact, most people here think consenting adults should  impeachdubya   Sep-27-07 04:13 AM   #95 
      some people see liberals as against things  PDenton   Sep-27-07 06:21 AM   #101 
         I think there are times and places for everything, frankly.  impeachdubya   Sep-27-07 01:19 PM   #156 
   Nihilists!  DefenseLawyer   Sep-26-07 05:55 PM   #79 
   Damn it!  PeterU   Sep-27-07 09:05 AM   #117 
      For your information  DefenseLawyer   Sep-27-07 01:35 PM   #159 
   Because the boob tube tells them too.  muntrv   Sep-26-07 07:26 PM   #86 
   Because they see themselves in Cartman  Rocknrule   Sep-26-07 09:51 PM   #91 
   Actually, there may be some truth to that.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-27-07 03:41 AM   #93 
      They're also racist, sexist, selfish, assholic, stupid, petulant, and anti-Semetic like Cartman  Rocknrule   Sep-27-07 02:55 PM   #164 
   Because too many "Liberals" have done a piss-poor job of articulating that personal freedom,  impeachdubya   Sep-27-07 04:08 AM   #94 
   You nailed it.  benEzra   Sep-27-07 08:08 AM   #112 
   All Good Points  qdemn7   Sep-27-07 08:22 AM   #114 
   I don't think Gun Control has been a front burner for National Democrats for some time.  impeachdubya   Sep-27-07 01:23 PM   #157 
   word-up  app_farmer_rb   Sep-27-07 05:52 PM   #173 
      HR 1022  qdemn7   Sep-27-07 06:37 PM   #174 
   The problem is, many self-identified "liberals" LIKE the War on Drugs, the Police state, etc...  Romulox   Sep-27-07 10:32 AM   #132 
      "you don't hear much critique of the incarceration rates of young black males around here"  impeachdubya   Sep-27-07 01:00 PM   #153 
         What a silly critique! English doesn't have a third-party "you".  Romulox   Sep-27-07 02:32 PM   #162 
            You seem to have some very concete ideas as to what is wrong with this place.  impeachdubya   Sep-27-07 08:34 PM   #176 
   This is why I watch the Venture Brothers.  Progs Rock   Sep-27-07 06:06 AM   #99 
   I'll assume a cable news network, creating bull shit news so they don't have to cover real news.  deacon   Sep-27-07 07:10 AM   #103 
   South Parkers are people who 1) have never read a book & 2) love cartoons by people who can't draw.  Perry Logan   Sep-27-07 07:19 AM   #104 
   Exposing stupidity via comedy is nothing different than jon stewart  deacon   Sep-27-07 07:25 AM   #105 
   there's plenty of literary references in South Park  PDenton   Sep-27-07 02:03 PM   #161 
   It is because  BoneDaddy   Sep-27-07 07:51 AM   #108 
   It's because "South Park" viewers have the mentality of...  zanne   Sep-27-07 08:00 AM   #110 
   I'm not really a fan of the show  Tian Zhuangzhuang   Sep-27-07 08:07 AM   #111 
   LOL!  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-27-07 10:17 AM   #129 
   Were these the King Of the Hill voters from four years ago?  spindoctor   Sep-27-07 08:19 AM   #113 
   Stupidity.  AnotherGreenWorld   Sep-27-07 09:27 AM   #122 
   Because they're slack-jawed teenage "libertarians", that's why . . .  hatrack   Sep-27-07 09:46 AM   #125 
   Self-righteousness and intolerance. ALL the stereotypical "liberal" stuff is on display right here!  Romulox   Sep-27-07 10:08 AM   #128 
   You're pretty new around here.  redqueen   Sep-27-07 10:40 AM   #135 
      Is that a threat? I'm not easily bullied! nt  Romulox   Sep-27-07 10:49 AM   #137 
         Threat?  redqueen   Sep-27-07 11:07 AM   #139 
            Once in Port Angeles, Washington, my wife and I were told,  Romulox   Sep-27-07 11:14 AM   #143 
               Always do, thanks! n/t  redqueen   Sep-27-07 11:17 AM   #144 
   The "I Got Mine" philosophy  Siyahamba   Sep-27-07 10:19 AM   #130 
   Well, as a south park voter  awoke_in_2003   Sep-27-07 11:31 AM   #148 
   "south park voters"=Karl Rove propaganda  RainDog   Sep-27-07 11:35 AM   #149 
   If they hate Republicans AND Liberals, maybe it's because they like  WinkyDink   Sep-27-07 01:04 PM   #154 
   Feel That Neither Party Is In Line With Them  NeedleCast   Sep-27-07 01:09 PM   #155 
   liberals? who is liberal?  mdmc   Sep-27-07 01:24 PM   #158 
   SP fan here  Old School   Sep-27-07 03:19 PM   #166 
      Welcome to DU bro  mdmc   Sep-28-07 08:26 PM   #177 
   On C-Span , the originator of South Park was giving a speech  OHdem10   Sep-27-07 03:51 PM   #167 
   Stop and think about this for a minute.  The Backlash Cometh   Sep-27-07 05:27 PM   #171 
   Die Hippie, Die  liberalsoldier5   Sep-27-07 04:31 PM   #169 
   If they are basing thier politics on a cartoon show  booley   Sep-27-07 04:42 PM   #170 
   Political pundits that use terms like this have their heads up their ass  Geek_Girl   Sep-27-07 07:29 PM   #175 
 

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