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155. How about black people from the places like Jamaica or Haiti?
My best friend's sister is married to a black man who was born and raised in Jamaica. He's never been to Africa. Is he also an African-American? Or is he a Jamaican-American? I also have a black co-worker who is from Trinidad. What about him?
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  -Just how offensive do you find term "black" as opposed to "African-american"? kitkat65  Sep-25-07 05:03 PM   #0 
  - I agree with you.  connecticut yankee   Sep-25-07 05:07 PM   #1 
  - I also agree....  Dorian Gray   Sep-25-07 11:31 PM   #141 
  - It's hard because I think it depends on the person.  Iris   Sep-25-07 05:08 PM   #2 
  - I don't really care for either term..Black or White...I'm not White...  BlueJazz   Sep-25-07 05:09 PM   #3 
  - My daughter had screaming fits when in second grade...  Juniperx   Sep-25-07 06:04 PM   #28 
     - Interesting about the "brown" id  Iris   Sep-25-07 07:31 PM   #74 
        - My son does that and he's 8 years old.  Clark2008   Sep-26-07 08:23 AM   #158 
        - I agree  Juniperx   Sep-26-07 12:36 PM   #164 
  - I'm black and I don't give a shit  Chovexani   Sep-25-07 05:09 PM   #4 
  - Then what do you think about this?  kitkat65   Sep-25-07 05:47 PM   #19 
     - Hmm.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-25-07 05:49 PM   #20 
     - Please don't put words in my mouth.  kitkat65   Sep-25-07 06:16 PM   #37 
     - The hyphened word before "-American" is "African"  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-25-07 07:08 PM   #54 
        - You must not have read the whole thing  kitkat65   Sep-25-07 07:21 PM   #66 
           - Alright then...  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-25-07 07:25 PM   #68 
              - Are you saying nationality and ethnicity are the same thing?  kitkat65   Sep-25-07 07:41 PM   #81 
                 - Uhhh... noooo....  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-25-07 07:55 PM   #86 
                    - I'm getting the impression you think I find the term African-american to be a bad thing  kitkat65   Sep-25-07 11:11 PM   #140 
                       - Uh, "African" isn't a nationality.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-26-07 04:21 PM   #167 
     - you really do like to run around du looking  cali   Sep-25-07 07:14 PM   #60 
        - Uh, what?  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-25-07 07:18 PM   #62 
           - make that ugh.  cali   Sep-25-07 07:22 PM   # 
              - Well now putting words in somebody's mouth is a whole different matter.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-25-07 07:26 PM   #69 
                 - i really don't believe that don't see how you totally misconstrued  hiphopnation23   Sep-25-07 07:33 PM   #75 
                    - Honestly?  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-25-07 07:34 PM   #77 
                       - yes but this was not the original point you made  hiphopnation23   Sep-25-07 07:39 PM   #78 
                          - Come again?  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-25-07 07:41 PM   #80 
                             - i meant that you respond to the OPs  hiphopnation23   Sep-25-07 07:50 PM   #84 
                                - We do seem to be talking past each other.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-25-07 07:56 PM   #88 
                                   - but that seems so far from the OPs point  hiphopnation23   Sep-25-07 08:06 PM   #97 
                                      - Case in point  spokane   Sep-25-07 10:15 PM   #135 
                                         - Nothing wrong with black or African-american to me personally.  kitkat65   Sep-25-07 10:53 PM   #139 
                                            - forgive the slow ones  hiphopnation23   Sep-26-07 02:13 AM   #143 
                                            - I didn't see you ask questions about pride or heritage.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-26-07 04:26 PM   #170 
     - I think it all depends on context.  hedgehog   Sep-25-07 05:55 PM   #22 
     - I can see both sides of the issue  Chovexani   Sep-25-07 06:01 PM   #27 
     - We need to assert that we're all "other" and we're all Americans.  hedgehog   Sep-25-07 06:16 PM   #36 
     - I hate that "heartland" shit  Chovexani   Sep-25-07 06:24 PM   #40 
        - I saw a lovely example today - someone denigrating blogs in general  hedgehog   Sep-25-07 06:27 PM   #41 
           - Those damn Greeks  Chovexani   Sep-25-07 06:43 PM   #47 
              - It is indeed.  hedgehog   Sep-25-07 07:07 PM   #53 
     - I've read about some "Indians" who are  zidzi   Sep-25-07 06:31 PM   #44 
     - My rez cousins are like that  Chovexani   Sep-25-07 06:39 PM   #46 
        - Thanks for this..do your "rez" cousins  zidzi   Sep-25-07 07:03 PM   #50 
        - My one cousin and I had a long talk about it once  Chovexani   Sep-25-07 07:34 PM   #76 
           - This is really good to know!  zidzi   Sep-25-07 07:49 PM   #83 
              - That's a neat article  Chovexani   Sep-25-07 07:55 PM   #87 
                 - Oh Goody!  zidzi   Sep-25-07 08:06 PM   #96 
        - i'll concur with this  sundog   Sep-25-07 08:41 PM   #115 
        - I've met quite a few who didn't like that...  Mythsaje   Sep-26-07 03:01 AM   #146 
     - Because Asia isn't a country, and they tend to feel a stronger kinship...  BlooInBloo   Sep-25-07 07:55 PM   #85 
        - Interesting how this stuff works.  Chovexani   Sep-25-07 07:58 PM   #89 
           - This is America, tiger. The winners make the rules.  BlooInBloo   Sep-25-07 08:00 PM   #92 
           - Seriously  Chovexani   Sep-25-07 08:02 PM   #95 
              - Sorry - I'm white - they'll kill you. :P  BlooInBloo   Sep-25-07 08:25 PM   #101 
           - Sorry about the assholes  swimboy   Sep-25-07 10:18 PM   #136 
     - There's a different problem with the term, IMO.  cigsandcoffee   Sep-25-07 07:22 PM   #67 
        - It's not that rare look at Teresa Heinz Kerry. nt  Tian Zhuangzhuang   Sep-26-07 03:37 AM   #147 
  - I'll be interested in seeing the replies to your question. I';m white, and  napi21   Sep-25-07 05:10 PM   #5 
  - Just my opinion  sampsonblk   Sep-25-07 05:11 PM   #6 
  - That's the way the people I know are...  renie408   Sep-25-07 05:33 PM   #11 
     - Sort of, yeah.  sampsonblk   Sep-25-07 08:30 PM   #106 
  - "Black" is about as offensive as "White"  cat_girl25   Sep-25-07 05:16 PM   #7 
  - Willie Geist said this this morning on Scarborough  rusty quoin   Sep-25-07 05:22 PM   #8 
  - Actually, his comment is what sparked my question.  kitkat65   Sep-25-07 05:53 PM   #21 
  - Good question  rockymountaindem   Sep-25-07 05:28 PM   #9 
  - Jews have their own race now??  4dsc   Sep-25-07 05:39 PM   #15 
     - I hope you're joking.  Swede   Sep-25-07 05:56 PM   #23 
     - American stupidity, methinks.  BlooInBloo   Sep-25-07 06:00 PM   #25 
     - no joke see below  4dsc   Sep-25-07 08:02 PM   #93 
     - That's what I thought. Don't Jewish people come in all races  Truth Hurts A Lot   Sep-25-07 08:31 PM   #107 
     - no joke see below  4dsc   Sep-25-07 08:02 PM   #94 
     - They are considered an ethnic group...  cynatnite   Sep-25-07 05:59 PM   #24 
     - They swindle everything, eh?  BlooInBloo   Sep-25-07 06:00 PM   #26 
     - It's not about race  rockymountaindem   Sep-25-07 06:06 PM   #30 
     - The Hebrew500  Magic Rat   Sep-25-07 06:22 PM   #39 
        - My favorite joke...  cobalt1999   Sep-25-07 06:36 PM   #45 
  - It's really more of a formal vs. informal sort of thing.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-25-07 05:30 PM   #10 
  - Actually the nationality thing.  kitkat65   Sep-25-07 06:31 PM   #43 
     - Well, right, but nationality isn't the discussion.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-25-07 07:19 PM   #64 
        - I specifically stated nationality.  kitkat65   Sep-25-07 07:29 PM   #71 
           - Yes, but the issue is race, not nationality.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-25-07 07:30 PM   #73 
  - I stress over this too but we shouldn't too much  shadowknows69   Sep-25-07 05:35 PM   #12 
  - Not the Scottish?  OnionPatch   Sep-25-07 06:56 PM   #49 
     - I'm allowed  shadowknows69   Sep-25-07 07:43 PM   #82 
  - "black" and "african american"  taught_me_patience   Sep-25-07 05:36 PM   #13 
  - Depends which African country they came from I guess...  truebrit71   Sep-25-07 05:36 PM   #14 
  - True story - One night I was talking to a group of five people  DURHAM D   Sep-25-07 06:04 PM   #29 
     - That is a funny story.  pnwmom   Sep-25-07 07:03 PM   #51 
     - dupe  defendandprotect   Sep-25-07 08:31 PM   #108 
  - I just say "black"  backscatter712   Sep-25-07 05:40 PM   #16 
  - Why don't you ask the individual which one they prefer?  RandomKoolzip   Sep-25-07 05:41 PM   #17 
  - only a close friend, otherwise the response will most likely be:  Truth Hurts A Lot   Sep-25-07 08:38 PM   #114 
  - If you jump back and.... kiss yourself, I'm gonna slap somebody.  BlooInBloo   Sep-25-07 05:42 PM   #18 
  - I think what would be offensive would be deliberately calling someone  petronius   Sep-25-07 06:07 PM   #31 
  - sometimes I think the terminology helps to maintain a dichotomy  kineta   Sep-25-07 06:09 PM   #32 
  - Mostly it is not the word people use, it is how they use it  Robbien   Sep-25-07 06:10 PM   #33 
  - ps -  kineta   Sep-25-07 06:11 PM   #34 
  - It's up to the person to define him or herself  Jed Dilligan   Sep-25-07 06:14 PM   #35 
  - I agree with you...I was a child of the 70s too  DearAbby   Sep-25-07 06:19 PM   #38 
  - The - comes in because we're proud of who we are today and proud of where we came from  hedgehog   Sep-25-07 06:30 PM   #42 
  - off on a tangent  anakie   Sep-25-07 06:50 PM   #48 
  - Context is all  hedgehog   Sep-25-07 07:10 PM   #56 
  - The term "black" is more confusing for children, I think.  pnwmom   Sep-25-07 07:07 PM   #52 
  - Yo' boy might be spay-shul, mrs pnwmom...  BlooInBloo   Sep-25-07 07:08 PM   #55 
     - Well, he is color-blind. Literally.  pnwmom   Sep-25-07 07:10 PM   #57 
     - Why not ? It makes just as much sense as the old "flesh" color!  hedgehog   Sep-25-07 07:11 PM   #58 
        - Now that I'm thinking about all this,  pnwmom   Sep-25-07 07:17 PM   #61 
     - Honestly, I didn't know the difference when I was a kid.  NOLALady   Sep-25-07 08:18 PM   #100 
        - Yah, I know. White people everywhere just don't see race. What a wonderful country.  BlooInBloo   Sep-25-07 08:32 PM   #109 
           - How would a kid know  pnwmom   Sep-25-07 08:45 PM   #117 
           - You must not have noticed she's from New Orleans  lastliberalintexas   Sep-25-07 09:11 PM   #123 
              - Here, here! Children are not born racists,  pnwmom   Sep-25-07 09:29 PM   #125 
  - It depends  H2O Man   Sep-25-07 07:13 PM   #59 
  - I fnd them equally offensive  DS1   Sep-25-07 07:18 PM   #63 
  - Black seems to be popular where I grew up/lived in the Midwest  Nikia   Sep-25-07 07:20 PM   #65 
  - I'm Caucasian, and it's not up to me  Mike03   Sep-25-07 07:26 PM   #70 
  - Your family came from the Caucuses?  hedgehog   Sep-26-07 11:32 AM   #161 
  - you know what i find waaaaaaaaay more offensive  hiphopnation23   Sep-25-07 07:30 PM   #72 
  - Are you hummophobic or something?  rucky   Sep-25-07 07:59 PM   #90 
     - ...  hiphopnation23   Sep-25-07 08:13 PM   #98 
  - It's not offensive at all  MrScorpio   Sep-25-07 07:40 PM   #79 
  - No -- black isn't "bad" . . . . should we call the Chinese "yellow" or other people "red" --?????  defendandprotect   Sep-25-07 07:59 PM   #91 
  - And I think the next question is . . . Do "whites" object to having to give up that term?????  defendandprotect   Sep-25-07 08:33 PM   #110 
  - Oddly enough, Chinese nationals come in all colors and sizes.  hedgehog   Sep-26-07 11:36 AM   #163 
  - I'm a caucasian. Mostly.  LWolf   Sep-25-07 08:13 PM   #99 
  - Isn't it really the context more than the word that makes a name offensive?  porphyrian   Sep-25-07 08:26 PM   #102 
  - Not offensive at all. African American can sound kind of forced when certain people use it  Truth Hurts A Lot   Sep-25-07 08:27 PM   #103 
  - It can also be incorrect  lastliberalintexas   Sep-25-07 09:19 PM   #124 
  - I don't find either term offensive.  NOLALady   Sep-25-07 08:27 PM   #104 
  - yep  Swamp Rat   Sep-25-07 08:58 PM   #120 
     - Hey Cher,  NOLALady   Sep-25-07 10:18 PM   #137 
  - I call people what they wished to be called. In other words, it's all about respect.  bobbolink   Sep-25-07 08:29 PM   #105 
  - But . . .. the press will use certain terms -- should "black and white" still be the way ....  defendandprotect   Sep-25-07 08:35 PM   #111 
     - For some strange reason, I don't think I have any control over the "press".  bobbolink   Sep-25-07 08:38 PM   #113 
        - Perhaps you do, perhaps you don't . . . but the issue is all encompassing --  defendandprotect   Sep-25-07 09:32 PM   #126 
           - My point is, it's not for me to decide!!  bobbolink   Sep-25-07 09:37 PM   #130 
              - No one suggests that you or I will "decide" anything for media . . ..  defendandprotect   Sep-25-07 09:53 PM   #131 
  - Whitey jumps in for a moment...  dmesg   Sep-25-07 08:36 PM   #112 
  - OK -- so can we describe Chinese as "yellow"? Or Indians as "red" -- ???  defendandprotect   Sep-25-07 09:33 PM   #127 
     - Again -- Is it OK to call anyone by their color??? What would "whites" lose . . . ????  defendandprotect   Sep-25-07 09:36 PM   #128 
     - It's a free country; say what you want  dmesg   Sep-25-07 09:58 PM   #132 
        - Good lord!!! Do you have no inkling of a higher perspective -- ????  defendandprotect   Sep-26-07 10:51 PM   #171 
  - I Still Haven't Sorted it Out, Really  Crisco   Sep-25-07 08:41 PM   #116 
  - Interesting, calling someone a color is OK but in plurals it's quite offensive  billbuckhead   Sep-25-07 09:05 PM   #122 
     - self-delete  Crisco   Sep-25-07 09:36 PM   #129 
     - Maybe you'd like our "free press" to grow up a bit--????  defendandprotect   Sep-26-07 10:52 PM   #172 
  - I prefer black since I wasn't born in Africa.  Connie_Corleone   Sep-25-07 08:47 PM   #118 
  - And all this time  pnwmom   Sep-25-07 10:03 PM   #134 
  - i had a woman in 70's adamantly tell me she was NOT african american  seabeyond   Sep-26-07 06:48 AM   #150 
  - First problem: African American is an exclusive term.  Snarkturian Clone   Sep-25-07 08:51 PM   #119 
  - It depends on context  jeffrey_X   Sep-25-07 09:02 PM   #121 
  - My two college roommates were "black"  DFW   Sep-25-07 10:01 PM   #133 
  - We are all US-Americans!  cat_girl25   Sep-25-07 10:35 PM   #138 
  - Yep, US-Americans without world maps!  pokerfan   Sep-26-07 02:45 AM   #145 
  - And these be the nuances that tear us asunder and rob all  saddlesore   Sep-25-07 11:49 PM   #142 
  - I made the mistake of calling a black man 'nigger'  BB1   Sep-26-07 02:32 AM   #144 
  - You're saying that the Netherlands do not  NOLALady   Sep-26-07 08:03 AM   #154 
     - we do know  BB1   Sep-26-07 04:19 PM   #166 
  - As a white girl who became a haole girl and then an Anglo woman, I just try to keep up  Hekate   Sep-26-07 03:53 AM   #148 
  - Black is fine by me  booley   Sep-26-07 04:20 AM   #149 
  - AA versus black as terms  sk8tenn   Sep-26-07 07:14 AM   #151 
     - Here's the way I see it.  ChipperbackDemocrat   Sep-26-07 07:45 AM   #152 
     - Maybe you can call them Canadian.  NOLALady   Sep-26-07 07:57 AM   #153 
     - The vast majority of blacks are not American.  Tian Zhuangzhuang   Sep-26-07 08:27 AM   #160 
     - Maybe I am nitpicking  booley   Sep-27-07 03:15 PM   #173 
  - How about black people from the places like Jamaica or Haiti?  rox63   Sep-26-07 08:14 AM   #155 
  - Can we bring back coloured?  Tian Zhuangzhuang   Sep-26-07 08:19 AM   #156 
  - I hate the name coloured, my Grandma always used that.  MiltonF   Sep-26-07 04:24 PM   #169 
  - It can be a misnomer anyway.  Clark2008   Sep-26-07 08:21 AM   #157 
  - ahhhhh... did you finally have your baby  seabeyond   Sep-26-07 08:23 AM   #159 
  - Not to me..  kwolf68   Sep-26-07 11:33 AM   #162 
  - I prefer Black. It is far broader than African American.  freestyle   Sep-26-07 01:17 PM   #165 
  - I prefer black.  MiltonF   Sep-26-07 04:22 PM   #168 
  - Sadly, this thread hasn't brought us to the realization that describing people BY COLOR serves . . .  defendandprotect   Sep-27-07 03:41 PM   #174 
 

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