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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #88
97. but that seems so far from the OPs point
Edited on Tue Sep-25-07 08:08 PM by hiphopnation23
i don't see how that thinking flows logically unless, as cali suggests, you're just looking for a certain racism that isn't there.

maybe i'm not even encapsulating the ops point, but what I think it is this: descendent's of europeans here in america tend to be just "white", not Irish-Americans, not German-Americans, not Franco-Americans, not Welsh-Americans, etc. they're just white.

referring to blacks as "African-Americans" tends to create an aura of a separate American.

I'm not saying that I even agree with this point, just that I think this was the point they were trying to make, and you took from it that that it was the word "african" that had an underlying implication of otherness to the OP which seemed a little out of left-field.
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  -Just how offensive do you find term "black" as opposed to "African-american"? kitkat65  Sep-25-07 05:03 PM   #0 
  - I agree with you.  connecticut yankee   Sep-25-07 05:07 PM   #1 
  - I also agree....  Dorian Gray   Sep-25-07 11:31 PM   #141 
  - It's hard because I think it depends on the person.  Iris   Sep-25-07 05:08 PM   #2 
  - I don't really care for either term..Black or White...I'm not White...  BlueJazz   Sep-25-07 05:09 PM   #3 
  - My daughter had screaming fits when in second grade...  Juniperx   Sep-25-07 06:04 PM   #28 
     - Interesting about the "brown" id  Iris   Sep-25-07 07:31 PM   #74 
        - My son does that and he's 8 years old.  Clark2008   Sep-26-07 08:23 AM   #158 
        - I agree  Juniperx   Sep-26-07 12:36 PM   #164 
  - I'm black and I don't give a shit  Chovexani   Sep-25-07 05:09 PM   #4 
  - Then what do you think about this?  kitkat65   Sep-25-07 05:47 PM   #19 
     - Hmm.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-25-07 05:49 PM   #20 
     - Please don't put words in my mouth.  kitkat65   Sep-25-07 06:16 PM   #37 
     - The hyphened word before "-American" is "African"  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-25-07 07:08 PM   #54 
        - You must not have read the whole thing  kitkat65   Sep-25-07 07:21 PM   #66 
           - Alright then...  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-25-07 07:25 PM   #68 
              - Are you saying nationality and ethnicity are the same thing?  kitkat65   Sep-25-07 07:41 PM   #81 
                 - Uhhh... noooo....  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-25-07 07:55 PM   #86 
                    - I'm getting the impression you think I find the term African-american to be a bad thing  kitkat65   Sep-25-07 11:11 PM   #140 
                       - Uh, "African" isn't a nationality.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-26-07 04:21 PM   #167 
     - you really do like to run around du looking  cali   Sep-25-07 07:14 PM   #60 
        - Uh, what?  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-25-07 07:18 PM   #62 
           - make that ugh.  cali   Sep-25-07 07:22 PM   # 
              - Well now putting words in somebody's mouth is a whole different matter.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-25-07 07:26 PM   #69 
                 - i really don't believe that don't see how you totally misconstrued  hiphopnation23   Sep-25-07 07:33 PM   #75 
                    - Honestly?  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-25-07 07:34 PM   #77 
                       - yes but this was not the original point you made  hiphopnation23   Sep-25-07 07:39 PM   #78 
                          - Come again?  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-25-07 07:41 PM   #80 
                             - i meant that you respond to the OPs  hiphopnation23   Sep-25-07 07:50 PM   #84 
                                - We do seem to be talking past each other.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-25-07 07:56 PM   #88 
                                   - but that seems so far from the OPs point  hiphopnation23   Sep-25-07 08:06 PM   #97 
                                      - Case in point  spokane   Sep-25-07 10:15 PM   #135 
                                         - Nothing wrong with black or African-american to me personally.  kitkat65   Sep-25-07 10:53 PM   #139 
                                            - forgive the slow ones  hiphopnation23   Sep-26-07 02:13 AM   #143 
                                            - I didn't see you ask questions about pride or heritage.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-26-07 04:26 PM   #170 
     - I think it all depends on context.  hedgehog   Sep-25-07 05:55 PM   #22 
     - I can see both sides of the issue  Chovexani   Sep-25-07 06:01 PM   #27 
     - We need to assert that we're all "other" and we're all Americans.  hedgehog   Sep-25-07 06:16 PM   #36 
     - I hate that "heartland" shit  Chovexani   Sep-25-07 06:24 PM   #40 
        - I saw a lovely example today - someone denigrating blogs in general  hedgehog   Sep-25-07 06:27 PM   #41 
           - Those damn Greeks  Chovexani   Sep-25-07 06:43 PM   #47 
              - It is indeed.  hedgehog   Sep-25-07 07:07 PM   #53 
     - I've read about some "Indians" who are  zidzi   Sep-25-07 06:31 PM   #44 
     - My rez cousins are like that  Chovexani   Sep-25-07 06:39 PM   #46 
        - Thanks for this..do your "rez" cousins  zidzi   Sep-25-07 07:03 PM   #50 
        - My one cousin and I had a long talk about it once  Chovexani   Sep-25-07 07:34 PM   #76 
           - This is really good to know!  zidzi   Sep-25-07 07:49 PM   #83 
              - That's a neat article  Chovexani   Sep-25-07 07:55 PM   #87 
                 - Oh Goody!  zidzi   Sep-25-07 08:06 PM   #96 
        - i'll concur with this  sundog   Sep-25-07 08:41 PM   #115 
        - I've met quite a few who didn't like that...  Mythsaje   Sep-26-07 03:01 AM   #146 
     - Because Asia isn't a country, and they tend to feel a stronger kinship...  BlooInBloo   Sep-25-07 07:55 PM   #85 
        - Interesting how this stuff works.  Chovexani   Sep-25-07 07:58 PM   #89 
           - This is America, tiger. The winners make the rules.  BlooInBloo   Sep-25-07 08:00 PM   #92 
           - Seriously  Chovexani   Sep-25-07 08:02 PM   #95 
              - Sorry - I'm white - they'll kill you. :P  BlooInBloo   Sep-25-07 08:25 PM   #101 
           - Sorry about the assholes  swimboy   Sep-25-07 10:18 PM   #136 
     - There's a different problem with the term, IMO.  cigsandcoffee   Sep-25-07 07:22 PM   #67 
        - It's not that rare look at Teresa Heinz Kerry. nt  Tian Zhuangzhuang   Sep-26-07 03:37 AM   #147 
  - I'll be interested in seeing the replies to your question. I';m white, and  napi21   Sep-25-07 05:10 PM   #5 
  - Just my opinion  sampsonblk   Sep-25-07 05:11 PM   #6 
  - That's the way the people I know are...  renie408   Sep-25-07 05:33 PM   #11 
     - Sort of, yeah.  sampsonblk   Sep-25-07 08:30 PM   #106 
  - "Black" is about as offensive as "White"  cat_girl25   Sep-25-07 05:16 PM   #7 
  - Willie Geist said this this morning on Scarborough  rusty quoin   Sep-25-07 05:22 PM   #8 
  - Actually, his comment is what sparked my question.  kitkat65   Sep-25-07 05:53 PM   #21 
  - Good question  rockymountaindem   Sep-25-07 05:28 PM   #9 
  - Jews have their own race now??  4dsc   Sep-25-07 05:39 PM   #15 
     - I hope you're joking.  Swede   Sep-25-07 05:56 PM   #23 
     - American stupidity, methinks.  BlooInBloo   Sep-25-07 06:00 PM   #25 
     - no joke see below  4dsc   Sep-25-07 08:02 PM   #93 
     - That's what I thought. Don't Jewish people come in all races  Truth Hurts A Lot   Sep-25-07 08:31 PM   #107 
     - no joke see below  4dsc   Sep-25-07 08:02 PM   #94 
     - They are considered an ethnic group...  cynatnite   Sep-25-07 05:59 PM   #24 
     - They swindle everything, eh?  BlooInBloo   Sep-25-07 06:00 PM   #26 
     - It's not about race  rockymountaindem   Sep-25-07 06:06 PM   #30 
     - The Hebrew500  Magic Rat   Sep-25-07 06:22 PM   #39 
        - My favorite joke...  cobalt1999   Sep-25-07 06:36 PM   #45 
  - It's really more of a formal vs. informal sort of thing.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-25-07 05:30 PM   #10 
  - Actually the nationality thing.  kitkat65   Sep-25-07 06:31 PM   #43 
     - Well, right, but nationality isn't the discussion.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-25-07 07:19 PM   #64 
        - I specifically stated nationality.  kitkat65   Sep-25-07 07:29 PM   #71 
           - Yes, but the issue is race, not nationality.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-25-07 07:30 PM   #73 
  - I stress over this too but we shouldn't too much  shadowknows69   Sep-25-07 05:35 PM   #12 
  - Not the Scottish?  OnionPatch   Sep-25-07 06:56 PM   #49 
     - I'm allowed  shadowknows69   Sep-25-07 07:43 PM   #82 
  - "black" and "african american"  taught_me_patience   Sep-25-07 05:36 PM   #13 
  - Depends which African country they came from I guess...  truebrit71   Sep-25-07 05:36 PM   #14 
  - True story - One night I was talking to a group of five people  DURHAM D   Sep-25-07 06:04 PM   #29 
     - That is a funny story.  pnwmom   Sep-25-07 07:03 PM   #51 
     - dupe  defendandprotect   Sep-25-07 08:31 PM   #108 
  - I just say "black"  backscatter712   Sep-25-07 05:40 PM   #16 
  - Why don't you ask the individual which one they prefer?  RandomKoolzip   Sep-25-07 05:41 PM   #17 
  - only a close friend, otherwise the response will most likely be:  Truth Hurts A Lot   Sep-25-07 08:38 PM   #114 
  - If you jump back and.... kiss yourself, I'm gonna slap somebody.  BlooInBloo   Sep-25-07 05:42 PM   #18 
  - I think what would be offensive would be deliberately calling someone  petronius   Sep-25-07 06:07 PM   #31 
  - sometimes I think the terminology helps to maintain a dichotomy  kineta   Sep-25-07 06:09 PM   #32 
  - Mostly it is not the word people use, it is how they use it  Robbien   Sep-25-07 06:10 PM   #33 
  - ps -  kineta   Sep-25-07 06:11 PM   #34 
  - It's up to the person to define him or herself  Jed Dilligan   Sep-25-07 06:14 PM   #35 
  - I agree with you...I was a child of the 70s too  DearAbby   Sep-25-07 06:19 PM   #38 
  - The - comes in because we're proud of who we are today and proud of where we came from  hedgehog   Sep-25-07 06:30 PM   #42 
  - off on a tangent  anakie   Sep-25-07 06:50 PM   #48 
  - Context is all  hedgehog   Sep-25-07 07:10 PM   #56 
  - The term "black" is more confusing for children, I think.  pnwmom   Sep-25-07 07:07 PM   #52 
  - Yo' boy might be spay-shul, mrs pnwmom...  BlooInBloo   Sep-25-07 07:08 PM   #55 
     - Well, he is color-blind. Literally.  pnwmom   Sep-25-07 07:10 PM   #57 
     - Why not ? It makes just as much sense as the old "flesh" color!  hedgehog   Sep-25-07 07:11 PM   #58 
        - Now that I'm thinking about all this,  pnwmom   Sep-25-07 07:17 PM   #61 
     - Honestly, I didn't know the difference when I was a kid.  NOLALady   Sep-25-07 08:18 PM   #100 
        - Yah, I know. White people everywhere just don't see race. What a wonderful country.  BlooInBloo   Sep-25-07 08:32 PM   #109 
           - How would a kid know  pnwmom   Sep-25-07 08:45 PM   #117 
           - You must not have noticed she's from New Orleans  lastliberalintexas   Sep-25-07 09:11 PM   #123 
              - Here, here! Children are not born racists,  pnwmom   Sep-25-07 09:29 PM   #125 
  - It depends  H2O Man   Sep-25-07 07:13 PM   #59 
  - I fnd them equally offensive  DS1   Sep-25-07 07:18 PM   #63 
  - Black seems to be popular where I grew up/lived in the Midwest  Nikia   Sep-25-07 07:20 PM   #65 
  - I'm Caucasian, and it's not up to me  Mike03   Sep-25-07 07:26 PM   #70 
  - Your family came from the Caucuses?  hedgehog   Sep-26-07 11:32 AM   #161 
  - you know what i find waaaaaaaaay more offensive  hiphopnation23   Sep-25-07 07:30 PM   #72 
  - Are you hummophobic or something?  rucky   Sep-25-07 07:59 PM   #90 
     - ...  hiphopnation23   Sep-25-07 08:13 PM   #98 
  - It's not offensive at all  MrScorpio   Sep-25-07 07:40 PM   #79 
  - No -- black isn't "bad" . . . . should we call the Chinese "yellow" or other people "red" --?????  defendandprotect   Sep-25-07 07:59 PM   #91 
  - And I think the next question is . . . Do "whites" object to having to give up that term?????  defendandprotect   Sep-25-07 08:33 PM   #110 
  - Oddly enough, Chinese nationals come in all colors and sizes.  hedgehog   Sep-26-07 11:36 AM   #163 
  - I'm a caucasian. Mostly.  LWolf   Sep-25-07 08:13 PM   #99 
  - Isn't it really the context more than the word that makes a name offensive?  porphyrian   Sep-25-07 08:26 PM   #102 
  - Not offensive at all. African American can sound kind of forced when certain people use it  Truth Hurts A Lot   Sep-25-07 08:27 PM   #103 
  - It can also be incorrect  lastliberalintexas   Sep-25-07 09:19 PM   #124 
  - I don't find either term offensive.  NOLALady   Sep-25-07 08:27 PM   #104 
  - yep  Swamp Rat   Sep-25-07 08:58 PM   #120 
     - Hey Cher,  NOLALady   Sep-25-07 10:18 PM   #137 
  - I call people what they wished to be called. In other words, it's all about respect.  bobbolink   Sep-25-07 08:29 PM   #105 
  - But . . .. the press will use certain terms -- should "black and white" still be the way ....  defendandprotect   Sep-25-07 08:35 PM   #111 
     - For some strange reason, I don't think I have any control over the "press".  bobbolink   Sep-25-07 08:38 PM   #113 
        - Perhaps you do, perhaps you don't . . . but the issue is all encompassing --  defendandprotect   Sep-25-07 09:32 PM   #126 
           - My point is, it's not for me to decide!!  bobbolink   Sep-25-07 09:37 PM   #130 
              - No one suggests that you or I will "decide" anything for media . . ..  defendandprotect   Sep-25-07 09:53 PM   #131 
  - Whitey jumps in for a moment...  dmesg   Sep-25-07 08:36 PM   #112 
  - OK -- so can we describe Chinese as "yellow"? Or Indians as "red" -- ???  defendandprotect   Sep-25-07 09:33 PM   #127 
     - Again -- Is it OK to call anyone by their color??? What would "whites" lose . . . ????  defendandprotect   Sep-25-07 09:36 PM   #128 
     - It's a free country; say what you want  dmesg   Sep-25-07 09:58 PM   #132 
        - Good lord!!! Do you have no inkling of a higher perspective -- ????  defendandprotect   Sep-26-07 10:51 PM   #171 
  - I Still Haven't Sorted it Out, Really  Crisco   Sep-25-07 08:41 PM   #116 
  - Interesting, calling someone a color is OK but in plurals it's quite offensive  billbuckhead   Sep-25-07 09:05 PM   #122 
     - self-delete  Crisco   Sep-25-07 09:36 PM   #129 
     - Maybe you'd like our "free press" to grow up a bit--????  defendandprotect   Sep-26-07 10:52 PM   #172 
  - I prefer black since I wasn't born in Africa.  Connie_Corleone   Sep-25-07 08:47 PM   #118 
  - And all this time  pnwmom   Sep-25-07 10:03 PM   #134 
  - i had a woman in 70's adamantly tell me she was NOT african american  seabeyond   Sep-26-07 06:48 AM   #150 
  - First problem: African American is an exclusive term.  Snarkturian Clone   Sep-25-07 08:51 PM   #119 
  - It depends on context  jeffrey_X   Sep-25-07 09:02 PM   #121 
  - My two college roommates were "black"  DFW   Sep-25-07 10:01 PM   #133 
  - We are all US-Americans!  cat_girl25   Sep-25-07 10:35 PM   #138 
  - Yep, US-Americans without world maps!  pokerfan   Sep-26-07 02:45 AM   #145 
  - And these be the nuances that tear us asunder and rob all  saddlesore   Sep-25-07 11:49 PM   #142 
  - I made the mistake of calling a black man 'nigger'  BB1   Sep-26-07 02:32 AM   #144 
  - You're saying that the Netherlands do not  NOLALady   Sep-26-07 08:03 AM   #154 
     - we do know  BB1   Sep-26-07 04:19 PM   #166 
  - As a white girl who became a haole girl and then an Anglo woman, I just try to keep up  Hekate   Sep-26-07 03:53 AM   #148 
  - Black is fine by me  booley   Sep-26-07 04:20 AM   #149 
  - AA versus black as terms  sk8tenn   Sep-26-07 07:14 AM   #151 
     - Here's the way I see it.  ChipperbackDemocrat   Sep-26-07 07:45 AM   #152 
     - Maybe you can call them Canadian.  NOLALady   Sep-26-07 07:57 AM   #153 
     - The vast majority of blacks are not American.  Tian Zhuangzhuang   Sep-26-07 08:27 AM   #160 
     - Maybe I am nitpicking  booley   Sep-27-07 03:15 PM   #173 
  - How about black people from the places like Jamaica or Haiti?  rox63   Sep-26-07 08:14 AM   #155 
  - Can we bring back coloured?  Tian Zhuangzhuang   Sep-26-07 08:19 AM   #156 
  - I hate the name coloured, my Grandma always used that.  MiltonF   Sep-26-07 04:24 PM   #169 
  - It can be a misnomer anyway.  Clark2008   Sep-26-07 08:21 AM   #157 
  - ahhhhh... did you finally have your baby  seabeyond   Sep-26-07 08:23 AM   #159 
  - Not to me..  kwolf68   Sep-26-07 11:33 AM   #162 
  - I prefer Black. It is far broader than African American.  freestyle   Sep-26-07 01:17 PM   #165 
  - I prefer black.  MiltonF   Sep-26-07 04:22 PM   #168 
  - Sadly, this thread hasn't brought us to the realization that describing people BY COLOR serves . . .  defendandprotect   Sep-27-07 03:41 PM   #174 
 

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