| 197. It Is Never Appropriate for a 6-Year Old to Smack a Teacher Around, Either |
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And therein lies the quandary. Autism or not, his was not acceptable behavior in a mixed classroom for regular curricula, where people are there to learn and teach, not to defend themselves against physical abuse. If pressing charges is the only way to get the kid out of a classroom he doesn't belong in, so be it.
As it happens there's an update: Nathan Darnell's parents pulled him out of the school, and charges have been dropped.
She wasn't even posting a biased source because that detail was included in the story for everyone to see. The accusation that anyone in this thread was jerking knees is unfounded also, because that detail was included in the story she posted.
The detail of exactly what the kid did was not in the OP. "Nathan grabbed her by the shirt, pulled her backwards and began punching and kicking her." This happens all the time on DU, most especially in GD. Some "oh, now they're beating up on ..." topic is posted, with important details left out.
Highlighting this omission doesn't make anyone an ogre.
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| -6-Year-Old Autistic Student Criminally Charged After Alleged Assault |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 09:25 PM |
#0 |
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Yet we have a mentally incapacitated president |
Horse with no Name |
Sep-23-07 09:27 PM |
#1 |
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I'm not sure what the ACLU can do |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 09:29 PM |
#5 |
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M'Naghton Act around for over 150 years in England and here holds |
Mend |
Sep-23-07 09:40 PM |
#16 |
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Tell that to the people with retardation who are sitting on death row |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 09:45 PM |
#25 |
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M'Naughton does not apply in the US anymore. |
MrCoffee |
Sep-24-07 05:32 PM |
#181 |
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Wikipedia says it is followed in US except Montana, Idaho, Utah, and Kansas... |
Mend |
Sep-24-07 05:45 PM |
#182 |
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One of my children is special needs |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-23-07 09:39 PM |
#15 |
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It's a mess and we will just hear more stories like this |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 09:53 PM |
#32 |
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I have a handicapped daughter and that sounds like Texas about 30 years ago |
demigoddess |
Sep-24-07 12:55 AM |
#156 |
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No I don't think that's why they are charging him |
proud2Blib |
Sep-24-07 07:10 AM |
#160 |
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sorry, but I disagree, you would not believe how many times I heard that |
demigoddess |
Sep-24-07 05:55 PM |
#184 |
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But can you really go elsewhere? |
proud2Blib |
Sep-25-07 11:05 AM |
#194 |
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I Have To Agree With You |
Raejeanowl |
Sep-24-07 05:05 PM |
#179 |
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ITA. I think they sometimes try to mainstream so they don't have to |
Ilsa |
Sep-24-07 06:00 PM |
#187 |
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Office of Civil Rights - oversees 94-142 or whatever it is called now. |
tsuki |
Sep-25-07 11:02 AM |
#193 |
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oh for pete's sake...WTF is wrong with people? |
ixion |
Sep-23-07 09:28 PM |
#2 |
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He's a kid with a disability |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 09:30 PM |
#6 |
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I totally agree! |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-23-07 09:43 PM |
#22 |
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But the question is |
pnwmom |
Sep-23-07 10:27 PM |
#75 |
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The prosecutor went to the same school as the prosecutor in LA |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:53 PM |
#108 |
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They're incredibly ignorant. n/t |
pnwmom |
Sep-23-07 10:26 PM |
#74 |
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TAZE HIM!!!! |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-23-07 09:28 PM |
#3 |
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I knew someone would post that! |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 09:30 PM |
#7 |
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You know you can count on me. :) |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-23-07 09:31 PM |
#9 |
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And he'll probably be on the pedo-list for the rest of his life. |
Nutmegger |
Sep-23-07 09:28 PM |
#4 |
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It's Been a Matter of Time |
Crisco |
Sep-23-07 09:31 PM |
#8 |
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Yes that is the big picture here |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 09:35 PM |
#11 |
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After Reading the Rest of the Article |
Crisco |
Sep-23-07 09:36 PM |
#13 |
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I wondered that too but they have every right to expect the school to deal with their child |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 09:59 PM |
#40 |
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He's autistic... |
Mythsaje |
Sep-23-07 10:43 PM |
#94 |
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Plus, a lot of aides have to do this while being paid about $6.50/hr. |
WakeMeUp |
Sep-23-07 09:40 PM |
#18 |
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Unbelievable, No? |
Crisco |
Sep-23-07 09:51 PM |
#29 |
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Yes thanks for pointing that out |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 09:54 PM |
#35 |
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Aides are not treated with the respect they deserve. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-24-07 01:00 PM |
#175 |
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Charging the autistic child w/ assault may be the only way to address problem/unhelpful parents |
cryingshame |
Sep-23-07 10:12 PM |
#56 |
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If they really are being unhelpful |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 11:21 PM |
#133 |
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Yeah.. |
sendero |
Sep-24-07 10:40 AM |
#169 |
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The larger picture is the justice system. |
pnwmom |
Sep-23-07 10:29 PM |
#78 |
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It's difficult on other students to go to school with a child that got |
lizzy |
Sep-23-07 09:36 PM |
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Every Once In A While, I Wonder How So Many People Could Have Voted For Bush |
MannyGoldstein |
Sep-23-07 09:32 PM |
#10 |
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You got it, a nation of idiots. explains a lot doesn't it. |
5X |
Sep-23-07 09:36 PM |
#12 |
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"Nathan grabbed her by the shirt, pulled her backwards and began punching and kicking her." |
DS1 |
Sep-23-07 09:37 PM |
#14 |
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Are you suggesting a 6 year old should be charged? n/t |
5X |
Sep-23-07 09:40 PM |
#17 |
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see post #60 |
DS1 |
Sep-23-07 10:19 PM |
#64 |
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6. Austic. Criminal. Duh. |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-23-07 09:41 PM |
#19 |
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see post #60 |
DS1 |
Sep-23-07 10:18 PM |
#62 |
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is it cherry-picking to point out that he's, erm, autistic and six years old? |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 09:43 PM |
#21 |
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no. it's part of the story |
DS1 |
Sep-23-07 10:16 PM |
#60 |
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fair enough. an adult was kicked and beaten |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 10:21 PM |
#69 |
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fair enough |
DS1 |
Sep-23-07 10:30 PM |
#79 |
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When I posted this, I was trying to point out what I think the major points are |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:36 PM |
#84 |
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You did fine in summarizing the situation. |
pnwmom |
Sep-23-07 10:39 PM |
#87 |
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and I posted what I considered an important part that you'd left out |
DS1 |
Sep-23-07 10:42 PM |
#90 |
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The headline in the OP said "assault." That says it all. |
pnwmom |
Sep-23-07 10:36 PM |
#86 |
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Please remember that many states have laws that require teachers to report assaults |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:43 PM |
#93 |
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But they don't have laws requiring PROSECUTORS to pursue the charges. |
pnwmom |
Sep-23-07 10:50 PM |
#101 |
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that's amusing |
DS1 |
Sep-23-07 10:44 PM |
#95 |
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Huh? I have consistently said the details of the assault are unimportant. |
pnwmom |
Sep-23-07 10:49 PM |
#99 |
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I'm not sure what you found selective. |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 10:42 PM |
#91 |
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I found the part where a teacher was punched and kicked 'selective' |
DS1 |
Sep-23-07 10:49 PM |
#100 |
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The term "assault" covered the situation well. Anyone who wanted |
pnwmom |
Sep-23-07 10:52 PM |
#105 |
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Again |
DS1 |
Sep-23-07 11:00 PM |
#114 |
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but what *are* you arguing? |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 11:04 PM |
#117 |
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Yes, that pretty much sums it up |
DS1 |
Sep-23-07 11:09 PM |
#122 |
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So, why exactly are the details important? |
Pithlet |
Sep-23-07 11:18 PM |
#131 |
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I Would Call Them Relevant |
Crisco |
Sep-24-07 05:57 PM |
#185 |
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It is never appropriate to charge a 6 year old criminally. |
Pithlet |
Sep-25-07 01:12 PM |
#196 |
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It Is Never Appropriate for a 6-Year Old to Smack a Teacher Around, Either |
Crisco |
Sep-25-07 02:21 PM |
#197 |
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Cherrypicking?!?! You do realize this child doesn't even have the capacity to be responsible... |
Solon |
Sep-23-07 09:53 PM |
#33 |
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see post #60 |
DS1 |
Sep-23-07 10:18 PM |
#63 |
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Who cares? He's a 6 year old. He's not at the age of reason, |
pnwmom |
Sep-23-07 10:33 PM |
#81 |
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oh for fuck's sake. |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 09:42 PM |
#20 |
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LOL I know what you mean |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:05 PM |
#46 |
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I saw your post about that in the ed group. |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 10:12 PM |
#57 |
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The LD kids are really getting screwed |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:19 PM |
#67 |
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I Know What You Mean |
Irishonly |
Sep-25-07 03:02 PM |
#201 |
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I have a cousin who's a special ed teacher |
Canuckistanian |
Sep-23-07 10:25 PM |
#73 |
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autism is on the outskirts of what I normally deal with. |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 10:35 PM |
#83 |
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Insanity |
piesRsquare |
Sep-23-07 11:26 PM |
#137 |
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I'm not sure I agree. |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 11:36 PM |
#141 |
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So group them with the AD/HD kids? |
piesRsquare |
Sep-24-07 12:04 AM |
#150 |
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Sadly the AD/HD kids are not our worst concern |
proud2Blib |
Sep-24-07 07:16 AM |
#161 |
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I kissed my 1st grade teacher |
djohnson |
Sep-23-07 09:43 PM |
#23 |
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What does charging the boy solve? It won't cure his autism, and punishment |
PA Democrat |
Sep-23-07 09:43 PM |
#24 |
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I Think It's More About Altering Parental Behavior / Attitudes |
Crisco |
Sep-23-07 09:49 PM |
#28 |
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How is 'parental apathy' relevant? |
djohnson |
Sep-23-07 09:52 PM |
#30 |
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It's Only Speculation, But |
Crisco |
Sep-23-07 09:57 PM |
#37 |
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I think you are right on both counts |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:09 PM |
#51 |
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Then state laws are screwed up. This happened to our son last year |
Common Sense Party |
Sep-23-07 10:54 PM |
#109 |
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you don't mess with any child's food. |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 10:58 PM |
#111 |
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What an idiotic thing to do |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:59 PM |
#112 |
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Yikes. NO para? My son's teacher has 3. |
Common Sense Party |
Sep-24-07 09:06 PM |
#188 |
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Yes it is very stressful |
proud2Blib |
Sep-25-07 11:00 AM |
#191 |
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Autistic kids will do what they want |
djohnson |
Sep-23-07 10:45 PM |
#96 |
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Then you are getting it right. It's not reasonable. |
sfexpat2000 |
Sep-23-07 09:57 PM |
#38 |
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Maybe his parents are tired. |
sfexpat2000 |
Sep-23-07 09:55 PM |
#36 |
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No Doubt They Are |
Crisco |
Sep-23-07 09:59 PM |
#41 |
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Yep. And it's usually the family. |
sfexpat2000 |
Sep-23-07 10:03 PM |
#43 |
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Actually we don't have the tech or the dough |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:16 PM |
#58 |
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We do have the dough. We're just putting into Halliburton |
sfexpat2000 |
Sep-23-07 10:19 PM |
#66 |
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Yes that is true |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:23 PM |
#72 |
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That's nuts. And I know what you mean. |
sfexpat2000 |
Sep-23-07 11:33 PM |
#140 |
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so, what should give? |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 10:04 PM |
#44 |
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Somewhere In Between |
Crisco |
Sep-23-07 10:09 PM |
#52 |
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The answer is training teachers |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:28 PM |
#77 |
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my understanding |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 11:02 PM |
#116 |
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And inclusion will work in many cases if we train the teachers |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 11:11 PM |
#125 |
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kind of. |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 11:19 PM |
#132 |
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I have a child with autism. |
PA Democrat |
Sep-23-07 10:12 PM |
#55 |
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Please don't take this the wrong way |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-23-07 10:20 PM |
#68 |
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I so feel for you |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:33 PM |
#82 |
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YOu know, |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-23-07 10:46 PM |
#97 |
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Edited. Dupe |
PA Democrat |
Sep-23-07 11:08 PM |
#120 |
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No, I don't take it the wrong way. |
PA Democrat |
Sep-23-07 11:24 PM |
#136 |
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thanks very much! |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-24-07 12:05 AM |
#151 |
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been there myself, also i have to warn people that 'someone who takes an |
demigoddess |
Sep-24-07 01:01 AM |
#157 |
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How are you all doing, PA Democrat? |
sfexpat2000 |
Sep-23-07 10:21 PM |
#70 |
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We're having a great school year so far! |
PA Democrat |
Sep-23-07 10:52 PM |
#104 |
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Thank goodness! So great to hear. |
sfexpat2000 |
Sep-23-07 11:11 PM |
#124 |
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IT's always so nice to read some good news for a change! nt |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-23-07 11:14 PM |
#128 |
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buggy dupe |
sfexpat2000 |
Sep-23-07 11:18 PM |
#130 |
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I personally think there is a movement now |
mmonk |
Sep-23-07 09:46 PM |
#26 |
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Well, I would be one of them |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-23-07 10:04 PM |
#45 |
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is your son on an IEP? |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 10:07 PM |
#49 |
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Yes, he's on an IEP. |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-23-07 10:10 PM |
#53 |
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you don't have to wait for the annual review. |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 10:16 PM |
#59 |
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Yes Uly is right; ask for an IEP review now |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:40 PM |
#88 |
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Thanks so much. |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-23-07 10:52 PM |
#102 |
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No but I know the federal regs backwards and forwards |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:56 PM |
#110 |
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I hope you don't mnd if I PM you sometime? |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-23-07 11:12 PM |
#126 |
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Of course I don't mind |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 11:24 PM |
#135 |
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Get an advocate for your child. |
Midlodemocrat |
Sep-24-07 12:50 PM |
#174 |
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As a volunteer for The Arc, I have lots of developmentally disabled friends. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-23-07 10:19 PM |
#65 |
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My son looks very normal |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-23-07 10:33 PM |
#80 |
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It is absolutely true that the label of autism helps qualify for services. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-23-07 10:53 PM |
#106 |
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The statistical chance of my child being self sufficient is remote |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-23-07 11:01 PM |
#115 |
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I know several young adults with fairly profound deficits... |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-23-07 11:10 PM |
#123 |
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When I think of self sufficient, I just |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-24-07 12:00 AM |
#149 |
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We all need life-long support to one degree or another |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-24-07 12:43 PM |
#172 |
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Thrusting every kid with disabilities into a regular ed setting is not right |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:47 PM |
#98 |
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Yes, that is true. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-23-07 11:00 PM |
#113 |
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THIS autistic kindergartener is obviously not doing well in a regular kdg class |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 11:18 PM |
#129 |
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Exactly. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-23-07 10:05 PM |
#47 |
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The fact he is a special needs child is a red herring |
Tian Zhuangzhuang |
Sep-23-07 09:48 PM |
#27 |
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No it's not. It aggravates the fact you mention. |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-23-07 09:53 PM |
#31 |
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Actually we are on the same page. |
Tian Zhuangzhuang |
Sep-23-07 10:00 PM |
#42 |
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Yup. |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-23-07 10:53 PM |
#107 |
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Children are entitled to a free and appropriate education. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-23-07 10:10 PM |
#54 |
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You're right. No six year old should be charged with a criminal offense. |
pnwmom |
Sep-23-07 10:41 PM |
#89 |
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I sort of agree |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 11:27 PM |
#138 |
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Even the juvenile justice system isn't set up for 6 year olds. But family |
pnwmom |
Sep-23-07 11:31 PM |
#139 |
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The important thing is to get kids help when they need it |
proud2Blib |
Sep-24-07 12:14 AM |
#152 |
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I'm sure they do. And with autistic kids, they need help from |
pnwmom |
Sep-24-07 12:21 AM |
#153 |
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The prison state, flames in its eyes, hisses "Feed me your children." |
Jed Dilligan |
Sep-23-07 09:54 PM |
#34 |
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When my son was a 6 year old first grader... |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-23-07 09:58 PM |
#39 |
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*sigh* |
Evoman |
Sep-23-07 10:07 PM |
#48 |
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Getting the criminal justice system involved on this one is totally irresponsible. |
varkam |
Sep-23-07 10:07 PM |
#50 |
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A kid is acting out. Call the police! File a complaint! |
depakid |
Sep-23-07 10:17 PM |
#61 |
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Grab the cuffs and charge the tazers. |
varkam |
Sep-23-07 10:22 PM |
#71 |
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What an asshole. Unless Miss Glinda is seven years old, then |
valerief |
Sep-23-07 10:28 PM |
#76 |
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"Is she retarded or something?" :wtf: |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-23-07 10:36 PM |
#85 |
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See post 162. nt |
valerief |
Sep-24-07 07:18 AM |
#163 |
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You still apparently don't get it! |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-24-07 10:36 AM |
#168 |
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Aw, loosen up. It's a big world out there with a lot of words. Hey, how do you hide your profile? |
valerief |
Sep-24-07 03:29 PM |
#176 |
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Very politically correct, I must say |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-25-07 10:57 AM |
#190 |
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No, it's the prosecutor that should be hung out to dry. |
pnwmom |
Sep-23-07 10:43 PM |
#92 |
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Bingo! |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:52 PM |
#103 |
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It reads like it was Glinda who filed the charge, so I'd say she started it. |
valerief |
Sep-24-07 07:18 AM |
#162 |
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She is probably just following the law |
proud2Blib |
Sep-24-07 07:22 AM |
#164 |
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Good gawd, how can anyone interpret a LITTLE kid whaling on you |
valerief |
Sep-24-07 07:28 AM |
#165 |
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Have you read the statutes? |
proud2Blib |
Sep-24-07 07:32 AM |
#166 |
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dupe |
piesRsquare |
Sep-23-07 11:06 PM |
#118 |
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HELLO?! |
piesRsquare |
Sep-23-07 11:07 PM |
#119 |
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I also think special needs children need to be taught with |
lizzy |
Sep-23-07 11:12 PM |
#127 |
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do you view that as an absolute? |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 11:22 PM |
#134 |
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Some kids don't belong in "regular" classrooms |
piesRsquare |
Sep-23-07 11:43 PM |
#143 |
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again, I'm not sure I buy |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 11:50 PM |
#146 |
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I'm referring to "inappropriate inclusion" |
piesRsquare |
Sep-24-07 01:07 AM |
#158 |
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You're right |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-24-07 10:46 AM |
#170 |
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Guess what? After those "special needs kids" turn 21, then they're |
PA Democrat |
Sep-23-07 11:45 PM |
#144 |
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this is a good point. |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 11:52 PM |
#147 |
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And funding for services for adults with disabilities is in bad shape |
PA Democrat |
Sep-24-07 12:00 AM |
#148 |
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Absolutely |
piesRsquare |
Sep-24-07 12:46 AM |
#155 |
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The reality of options available to kids and parents is very often far from ideal. |
PA Democrat |
Sep-24-07 07:06 AM |
#159 |
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As far as activities outside of school..... |
PA Democrat |
Sep-24-07 07:49 AM |
#167 |
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I disagree with this statement in the strongest possible terms. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-24-07 12:50 PM |
#173 |
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That a 6 year old being charged with a crime generates argument *at all* is fucking pathetic. |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-23-07 11:09 PM |
#121 |
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I know... |
Mythsaje |
Sep-24-07 12:25 AM |
#154 |
| -
Off topic, but... |
LostInAnomie |
Sep-23-07 11:38 PM |
#142 |
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I'm sure his parents are correct. |
LWolf |
Sep-23-07 11:48 PM |
#145 |
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The teacher isn't the one pressing charges I don't believe |
proud2Blib |
Sep-24-07 10:59 AM |
#171 |
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That really puts the teacher |
LWolf |
Sep-24-07 09:29 PM |
#189 |
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redqueen |
Sep-24-07 03:32 PM |
#177 |
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For the love of all that is good, |
Kajsa |
Sep-24-07 03:50 PM |
#178 |
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Bad teacher aide! No donut! |
KamaAina |
Sep-24-07 05:31 PM |
#180 |
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Hear, hear! |
Kajsa |
Sep-24-07 05:45 PM |
#183 |
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That could easily have been my autistic son a few years ago. |
Ilsa |
Sep-24-07 05:58 PM |
#186 |
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Has anyone read "The Case Of The Dead Dog" or something like that? |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-25-07 11:00 AM |
#192 |
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"The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time" |
KamaAina |
Sep-25-07 01:00 PM |
#195 |
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Thank you! I thought it was a pretty good read as well. |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-25-07 02:23 PM |
#198 |
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There is very little being done to help schools with these kids... |
cynatnite |
Sep-25-07 02:29 PM |
#199 |
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Utterly insane |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Sep-25-07 02:37 PM |
#200 |
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this is madness - my mother deals with kids like this every single day |
mark414 |
Sep-25-07 03:09 PM |
#202 |
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