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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #27
54. Children are entitled to a free and appropriate education.
It's not a privilege, it's a right.

A school that cannot manage the behaviors of a six year old needs professional assistance.

What IS a red herring is the distinction of whether the child was in a general ed classroom or a special ed classroom. His behavior will be equally problematic in either setting given a school district that has demonstrated that they can't handle it.
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  -6-Year-Old Autistic Student Criminally Charged After Alleged Assault proud2Blib  Sep-23-07 09:25 PM   #0 
  - Yet we have a mentally incapacitated president  Horse with no Name   Sep-23-07 09:27 PM   #1 
  - I'm not sure what the ACLU can do  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 09:29 PM   #5 
  - M'Naghton Act around for over 150 years in England and here holds  Mend   Sep-23-07 09:40 PM   #16 
     - Tell that to the people with retardation who are sitting on death row  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 09:45 PM   #25 
     - M'Naughton does not apply in the US anymore.  MrCoffee   Sep-24-07 05:32 PM   #181 
        - Wikipedia says it is followed in US except Montana, Idaho, Utah, and Kansas...  Mend   Sep-24-07 05:45 PM   #182 
  - One of my children is special needs  midlife_mo_Jo   Sep-23-07 09:39 PM   #15 
  - It's a mess and we will just hear more stories like this  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 09:53 PM   #32 
  - I have a handicapped daughter and that sounds like Texas about 30 years ago  demigoddess   Sep-24-07 12:55 AM   #156 
     - No I don't think that's why they are charging him  proud2Blib   Sep-24-07 07:10 AM   #160 
        - sorry, but I disagree, you would not believe how many times I heard that  demigoddess   Sep-24-07 05:55 PM   #184 
           - But can you really go elsewhere?  proud2Blib   Sep-25-07 11:05 AM   #194 
  - I Have To Agree With You  Raejeanowl   Sep-24-07 05:05 PM   #179 
  - ITA. I think they sometimes try to mainstream so they don't have to  Ilsa   Sep-24-07 06:00 PM   #187 
  - Office of Civil Rights - oversees 94-142 or whatever it is called now.  tsuki   Sep-25-07 11:02 AM   #193 
  - oh for pete's sake...WTF is wrong with people?  ixion   Sep-23-07 09:28 PM   #2 
  - He's a kid with a disability  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 09:30 PM   #6 
  - I totally agree!  midlife_mo_Jo   Sep-23-07 09:43 PM   #22 
  - But the question is  pnwmom   Sep-23-07 10:27 PM   #75 
     - The prosecutor went to the same school as the prosecutor in LA  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 10:53 PM   #108 
  - They're incredibly ignorant. n/t  pnwmom   Sep-23-07 10:26 PM   #74 
  - TAZE HIM!!!!  BlooInBloo   Sep-23-07 09:28 PM   #3 
  - I knew someone would post that!  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 09:30 PM   #7 
     - You know you can count on me. :)  BlooInBloo   Sep-23-07 09:31 PM   #9 
  - And he'll probably be on the pedo-list for the rest of his life.  Nutmegger   Sep-23-07 09:28 PM   #4 
  - It's Been a Matter of Time  Crisco   Sep-23-07 09:31 PM   #8 
  - Yes that is the big picture here  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 09:35 PM   #11 
  - After Reading the Rest of the Article  Crisco   Sep-23-07 09:36 PM   #13 
  - I wondered that too but they have every right to expect the school to deal with their child  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 09:59 PM   #40 
  - He's autistic...  Mythsaje   Sep-23-07 10:43 PM   #94 
  - Plus, a lot of aides have to do this while being paid about $6.50/hr.  WakeMeUp   Sep-23-07 09:40 PM   #18 
  - Unbelievable, No?  Crisco   Sep-23-07 09:51 PM   #29 
  - Yes thanks for pointing that out  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 09:54 PM   #35 
  - Aides are not treated with the respect they deserve.  lumberjack_jeff   Sep-24-07 01:00 PM   #175 
  - Charging the autistic child w/ assault may be the only way to address problem/unhelpful parents  cryingshame   Sep-23-07 10:12 PM   #56 
  - If they really are being unhelpful  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 11:21 PM   #133 
  - Yeah..  sendero   Sep-24-07 10:40 AM   #169 
  - The larger picture is the justice system.  pnwmom   Sep-23-07 10:29 PM   #78 
  - It's difficult on other students to go to school with a child that got  lizzy   Sep-23-07 09:36 PM   # 
  - Every Once In A While, I Wonder How So Many People Could Have Voted For Bush  MannyGoldstein   Sep-23-07 09:32 PM   #10 
  - You got it, a nation of idiots. explains a lot doesn't it.  5X   Sep-23-07 09:36 PM   #12 
  - "Nathan grabbed her by the shirt, pulled her backwards and began punching and kicking her."  DS1   Sep-23-07 09:37 PM   #14 
  - Are you suggesting a 6 year old should be charged? n/t  5X   Sep-23-07 09:40 PM   #17 
  - see post #60  DS1   Sep-23-07 10:19 PM   #64 
  - 6. Austic. Criminal. Duh.  BlooInBloo   Sep-23-07 09:41 PM   #19 
  - see post #60  DS1   Sep-23-07 10:18 PM   #62 
  - is it cherry-picking to point out that he's, erm, autistic and six years old?  ulysses   Sep-23-07 09:43 PM   #21 
  - no. it's part of the story  DS1   Sep-23-07 10:16 PM   #60 
     - fair enough. an adult was kicked and beaten  ulysses   Sep-23-07 10:21 PM   #69 
        - fair enough  DS1   Sep-23-07 10:30 PM   #79 
           - When I posted this, I was trying to point out what I think the major points are  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 10:36 PM   #84 
           - You did fine in summarizing the situation.  pnwmom   Sep-23-07 10:39 PM   #87 
           - and I posted what I considered an important part that you'd left out  DS1   Sep-23-07 10:42 PM   #90 
           - The headline in the OP said "assault." That says it all.  pnwmom   Sep-23-07 10:36 PM   #86 
           - Please remember that many states have laws that require teachers to report assaults  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 10:43 PM   #93 
           - But they don't have laws requiring PROSECUTORS to pursue the charges.  pnwmom   Sep-23-07 10:50 PM   #101 
           - that's amusing  DS1   Sep-23-07 10:44 PM   #95 
              - Huh? I have consistently said the details of the assault are unimportant.  pnwmom   Sep-23-07 10:49 PM   #99 
           - I'm not sure what you found selective.  ulysses   Sep-23-07 10:42 PM   #91 
              - I found the part where a teacher was punched and kicked 'selective'  DS1   Sep-23-07 10:49 PM   #100 
                 - The term "assault" covered the situation well. Anyone who wanted  pnwmom   Sep-23-07 10:52 PM   #105 
                    - Again  DS1   Sep-23-07 11:00 PM   #114 
                       - but what *are* you arguing?  ulysses   Sep-23-07 11:04 PM   #117 
                          - Yes, that pretty much sums it up  DS1   Sep-23-07 11:09 PM   #122 
                             - So, why exactly are the details important?  Pithlet   Sep-23-07 11:18 PM   #131 
                                - I Would Call Them Relevant  Crisco   Sep-24-07 05:57 PM   #185 
                                   - It is never appropriate to charge a 6 year old criminally.  Pithlet   Sep-25-07 01:12 PM   #196 
                                      - It Is Never Appropriate for a 6-Year Old to Smack a Teacher Around, Either  Crisco   Sep-25-07 02:21 PM   #197 
  - Cherrypicking?!?! You do realize this child doesn't even have the capacity to be responsible...  Solon   Sep-23-07 09:53 PM   #33 
  - see post #60  DS1   Sep-23-07 10:18 PM   #63 
  - Who cares? He's a 6 year old. He's not at the age of reason,  pnwmom   Sep-23-07 10:33 PM   #81 
  - oh for fuck's sake.  ulysses   Sep-23-07 09:42 PM   #20 
  - LOL I know what you mean  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 10:05 PM   #46 
  - I saw your post about that in the ed group.  ulysses   Sep-23-07 10:12 PM   #57 
  - The LD kids are really getting screwed  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 10:19 PM   #67 
  - I Know What You Mean  Irishonly   Sep-25-07 03:02 PM   #201 
  - I have a cousin who's a special ed teacher  Canuckistanian   Sep-23-07 10:25 PM   #73 
     - autism is on the outskirts of what I normally deal with.  ulysses   Sep-23-07 10:35 PM   #83 
        - Insanity  piesRsquare   Sep-23-07 11:26 PM   #137 
           - I'm not sure I agree.  ulysses   Sep-23-07 11:36 PM   #141 
              - So group them with the AD/HD kids?  piesRsquare   Sep-24-07 12:04 AM   #150 
                 - Sadly the AD/HD kids are not our worst concern  proud2Blib   Sep-24-07 07:16 AM   #161 
  - I kissed my 1st grade teacher  djohnson   Sep-23-07 09:43 PM   #23 
  - What does charging the boy solve? It won't cure his autism, and punishment  PA Democrat   Sep-23-07 09:43 PM   #24 
  - I Think It's More About Altering Parental Behavior / Attitudes  Crisco   Sep-23-07 09:49 PM   #28 
     - How is 'parental apathy' relevant?  djohnson   Sep-23-07 09:52 PM   #30 
     - It's Only Speculation, But  Crisco   Sep-23-07 09:57 PM   #37 
     - I think you are right on both counts  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 10:09 PM   #51 
     - Then state laws are screwed up. This happened to our son last year  Common Sense Party   Sep-23-07 10:54 PM   #109 
        - you don't mess with any child's food.  ulysses   Sep-23-07 10:58 PM   #111 
        - What an idiotic thing to do  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 10:59 PM   #112 
           - Yikes. NO para? My son's teacher has 3.  Common Sense Party   Sep-24-07 09:06 PM   #188 
              - Yes it is very stressful  proud2Blib   Sep-25-07 11:00 AM   #191 
     - Autistic kids will do what they want  djohnson   Sep-23-07 10:45 PM   #96 
     - Then you are getting it right. It's not reasonable.  sfexpat2000   Sep-23-07 09:57 PM   #38 
     - Maybe his parents are tired.  sfexpat2000   Sep-23-07 09:55 PM   #36 
     - No Doubt They Are  Crisco   Sep-23-07 09:59 PM   #41 
        - Yep. And it's usually the family.  sfexpat2000   Sep-23-07 10:03 PM   #43 
        - Actually we don't have the tech or the dough  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 10:16 PM   #58 
           - We do have the dough. We're just putting into Halliburton  sfexpat2000   Sep-23-07 10:19 PM   #66 
              - Yes that is true  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 10:23 PM   #72 
                 - That's nuts. And I know what you mean.  sfexpat2000   Sep-23-07 11:33 PM   #140 
        - so, what should give?  ulysses   Sep-23-07 10:04 PM   #44 
           - Somewhere In Between  Crisco   Sep-23-07 10:09 PM   #52 
           - The answer is training teachers  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 10:28 PM   #77 
              - my understanding  ulysses   Sep-23-07 11:02 PM   #116 
                 - And inclusion will work in many cases if we train the teachers  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 11:11 PM   #125 
                    - kind of.  ulysses   Sep-23-07 11:19 PM   #132 
     - I have a child with autism.  PA Democrat   Sep-23-07 10:12 PM   #55 
        - Please don't take this the wrong way  midlife_mo_Jo   Sep-23-07 10:20 PM   #68 
        - I so feel for you  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 10:33 PM   #82 
        - YOu know,  midlife_mo_Jo   Sep-23-07 10:46 PM   #97 
        - Edited. Dupe  PA Democrat   Sep-23-07 11:08 PM   #120 
        - No, I don't take it the wrong way.  PA Democrat   Sep-23-07 11:24 PM   #136 
        - thanks very much!  midlife_mo_Jo   Sep-24-07 12:05 AM   #151 
        - been there myself, also i have to warn people that 'someone who takes an  demigoddess   Sep-24-07 01:01 AM   #157 
        - How are you all doing, PA Democrat?  sfexpat2000   Sep-23-07 10:21 PM   #70 
           - We're having a great school year so far!  PA Democrat   Sep-23-07 10:52 PM   #104 
              - Thank goodness! So great to hear.  sfexpat2000   Sep-23-07 11:11 PM   #124 
              - IT's always so nice to read some good news for a change! nt  midlife_mo_Jo   Sep-23-07 11:14 PM   #128 
              - buggy dupe  sfexpat2000   Sep-23-07 11:18 PM   #130 
  - I personally think there is a movement now  mmonk   Sep-23-07 09:46 PM   #26 
  - Well, I would be one of them  midlife_mo_Jo   Sep-23-07 10:04 PM   #45 
  - is your son on an IEP?  ulysses   Sep-23-07 10:07 PM   #49 
  - Yes, he's on an IEP.  midlife_mo_Jo   Sep-23-07 10:10 PM   #53 
     - you don't have to wait for the annual review.  ulysses   Sep-23-07 10:16 PM   #59 
     - Yes Uly is right; ask for an IEP review now  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 10:40 PM   #88 
     - Thanks so much.  midlife_mo_Jo   Sep-23-07 10:52 PM   #102 
        - No but I know the federal regs backwards and forwards  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 10:56 PM   #110 
           - I hope you don't mnd if I PM you sometime?  midlife_mo_Jo   Sep-23-07 11:12 PM   #126 
              - Of course I don't mind  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 11:24 PM   #135 
     - Get an advocate for your child.  Midlodemocrat   Sep-24-07 12:50 PM   #174 
  - As a volunteer for The Arc, I have lots of developmentally disabled friends.  lumberjack_jeff   Sep-23-07 10:19 PM   #65 
     - My son looks very normal  midlife_mo_Jo   Sep-23-07 10:33 PM   #80 
     - It is absolutely true that the label of autism helps qualify for services.  lumberjack_jeff   Sep-23-07 10:53 PM   #106 
        - The statistical chance of my child being self sufficient is remote  midlife_mo_Jo   Sep-23-07 11:01 PM   #115 
           - I know several young adults with fairly profound deficits...  lumberjack_jeff   Sep-23-07 11:10 PM   #123 
              - When I think of self sufficient, I just  midlife_mo_Jo   Sep-24-07 12:00 AM   #149 
                 - We all need life-long support to one degree or another  lumberjack_jeff   Sep-24-07 12:43 PM   #172 
     - Thrusting every kid with disabilities into a regular ed setting is not right  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 10:47 PM   #98 
        - Yes, that is true.  lumberjack_jeff   Sep-23-07 11:00 PM   #113 
           - THIS autistic kindergartener is obviously not doing well in a regular kdg class  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 11:18 PM   #129 
  - Exactly. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Sep-23-07 10:05 PM   #47 
  - The fact he is a special needs child is a red herring  Tian Zhuangzhuang   Sep-23-07 09:48 PM   #27 
  - No it's not. It aggravates the fact you mention.  BlooInBloo   Sep-23-07 09:53 PM   #31 
  - Actually we are on the same page.  Tian Zhuangzhuang   Sep-23-07 10:00 PM   #42 
     - Yup.  BlooInBloo   Sep-23-07 10:53 PM   #107 
  - Children are entitled to a free and appropriate education.  lumberjack_jeff   Sep-23-07 10:10 PM   #54 
  - You're right. No six year old should be charged with a criminal offense.  pnwmom   Sep-23-07 10:41 PM   #89 
     - I sort of agree  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 11:27 PM   #138 
        - Even the juvenile justice system isn't set up for 6 year olds. But family  pnwmom   Sep-23-07 11:31 PM   #139 
           - The important thing is to get kids help when they need it  proud2Blib   Sep-24-07 12:14 AM   #152 
              - I'm sure they do. And with autistic kids, they need help from  pnwmom   Sep-24-07 12:21 AM   #153 
  - The prison state, flames in its eyes, hisses "Feed me your children."  Jed Dilligan   Sep-23-07 09:54 PM   #34 
  - When my son was a 6 year old first grader...  lumberjack_jeff   Sep-23-07 09:58 PM   #39 
  - *sigh*  Evoman   Sep-23-07 10:07 PM   #48 
  - Getting the criminal justice system involved on this one is totally irresponsible.  varkam   Sep-23-07 10:07 PM   #50 
  - A kid is acting out. Call the police! File a complaint!  depakid   Sep-23-07 10:17 PM   #61 
     - Grab the cuffs and charge the tazers.  varkam   Sep-23-07 10:22 PM   #71 
  - What an asshole. Unless Miss Glinda is seven years old, then  valerief   Sep-23-07 10:28 PM   #76 
  - "Is she retarded or something?" :wtf:  midlife_mo_Jo   Sep-23-07 10:36 PM   #85 
  - See post 162. nt  valerief   Sep-24-07 07:18 AM   #163 
     - You still apparently don't get it!  midlife_mo_Jo   Sep-24-07 10:36 AM   #168 
        - Aw, loosen up. It's a big world out there with a lot of words. Hey, how do you hide your profile?  valerief   Sep-24-07 03:29 PM   #176 
           - Very politically correct, I must say  midlife_mo_Jo   Sep-25-07 10:57 AM   #190 
  - No, it's the prosecutor that should be hung out to dry.  pnwmom   Sep-23-07 10:43 PM   #92 
  - Bingo!  proud2Blib   Sep-23-07 10:52 PM   #103 
  - It reads like it was Glinda who filed the charge, so I'd say she started it.  valerief   Sep-24-07 07:18 AM   #162 
  - She is probably just following the law  proud2Blib   Sep-24-07 07:22 AM   #164 
     - Good gawd, how can anyone interpret a LITTLE kid whaling on you  valerief   Sep-24-07 07:28 AM   #165 
        - Have you read the statutes?  proud2Blib   Sep-24-07 07:32 AM   #166 
  - dupe  piesRsquare   Sep-23-07 11:06 PM   #118 
  - HELLO?!  piesRsquare   Sep-23-07 11:07 PM   #119 
  - I also think special needs children need to be taught with  lizzy   Sep-23-07 11:12 PM   #127 
     - do you view that as an absolute?  ulysses   Sep-23-07 11:22 PM   #134 
     - Some kids don't belong in "regular" classrooms  piesRsquare   Sep-23-07 11:43 PM   #143 
        - again, I'm not sure I buy  ulysses   Sep-23-07 11:50 PM   #146 
           - I'm referring to "inappropriate inclusion"  piesRsquare   Sep-24-07 01:07 AM   #158 
              - You're right  midlife_mo_Jo   Sep-24-07 10:46 AM   #170 
     - Guess what? After those "special needs kids" turn 21, then they're  PA Democrat   Sep-23-07 11:45 PM   #144 
     - this is a good point.  ulysses   Sep-23-07 11:52 PM   #147 
     - And funding for services for adults with disabilities is in bad shape  PA Democrat   Sep-24-07 12:00 AM   #148 
     - Absolutely  piesRsquare   Sep-24-07 12:46 AM   #155 
        - The reality of options available to kids and parents is very often far from ideal.  PA Democrat   Sep-24-07 07:06 AM   #159 
        - As far as activities outside of school.....  PA Democrat   Sep-24-07 07:49 AM   #167 
     - I disagree with this statement in the strongest possible terms.  lumberjack_jeff   Sep-24-07 12:50 PM   #173 
  - That a 6 year old being charged with a crime generates argument *at all* is fucking pathetic.  BlooInBloo   Sep-23-07 11:09 PM   #121 
  - I know...  Mythsaje   Sep-24-07 12:25 AM   #154 
  - Off topic, but...  LostInAnomie   Sep-23-07 11:38 PM   #142 
  - I'm sure his parents are correct.  LWolf   Sep-23-07 11:48 PM   #145 
  - The teacher isn't the one pressing charges I don't believe  proud2Blib   Sep-24-07 10:59 AM   #171 
     - That really puts the teacher  LWolf   Sep-24-07 09:29 PM   #189 
  - deleted  redqueen   Sep-24-07 03:32 PM   #177 
  - For the love of all that is good,  Kajsa   Sep-24-07 03:50 PM   #178 
  - Bad teacher aide! No donut!  KamaAina   Sep-24-07 05:31 PM   #180 
  - Hear, hear!  Kajsa   Sep-24-07 05:45 PM   #183 
  - That could easily have been my autistic son a few years ago.  Ilsa   Sep-24-07 05:58 PM   #186 
  - Has anyone read "The Case Of The Dead Dog" or something like that?  BlooInBloo   Sep-25-07 11:00 AM   #192 
  - "The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time"  KamaAina   Sep-25-07 01:00 PM   #195 
     - Thank you! I thought it was a pretty good read as well.  BlooInBloo   Sep-25-07 02:23 PM   #198 
  - There is very little being done to help schools with these kids...  cynatnite   Sep-25-07 02:29 PM   #199 
  - Utterly insane  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Sep-25-07 02:37 PM   #200 
  - this is madness - my mother deals with kids like this every single day  mark414   Sep-25-07 03:09 PM   #202 
 

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