| 13. After Reading the Rest of the Article |
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I would be surprised if there haven't been prior "discussions" about little Natey's behavior, and a parental attitude of "deal with it."
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| -6-Year-Old Autistic Student Criminally Charged After Alleged Assault |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 09:25 PM |
#0 |
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Yet we have a mentally incapacitated president |
Horse with no Name |
Sep-23-07 09:27 PM |
#1 |
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I'm not sure what the ACLU can do |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 09:29 PM |
#5 |
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M'Naghton Act around for over 150 years in England and here holds |
Mend |
Sep-23-07 09:40 PM |
#16 |
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Tell that to the people with retardation who are sitting on death row |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 09:45 PM |
#25 |
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M'Naughton does not apply in the US anymore. |
MrCoffee |
Sep-24-07 05:32 PM |
#181 |
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Wikipedia says it is followed in US except Montana, Idaho, Utah, and Kansas... |
Mend |
Sep-24-07 05:45 PM |
#182 |
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One of my children is special needs |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-23-07 09:39 PM |
#15 |
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It's a mess and we will just hear more stories like this |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 09:53 PM |
#32 |
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I have a handicapped daughter and that sounds like Texas about 30 years ago |
demigoddess |
Sep-24-07 12:55 AM |
#156 |
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No I don't think that's why they are charging him |
proud2Blib |
Sep-24-07 07:10 AM |
#160 |
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sorry, but I disagree, you would not believe how many times I heard that |
demigoddess |
Sep-24-07 05:55 PM |
#184 |
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But can you really go elsewhere? |
proud2Blib |
Sep-25-07 11:05 AM |
#194 |
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I Have To Agree With You |
Raejeanowl |
Sep-24-07 05:05 PM |
#179 |
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ITA. I think they sometimes try to mainstream so they don't have to |
Ilsa |
Sep-24-07 06:00 PM |
#187 |
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Office of Civil Rights - oversees 94-142 or whatever it is called now. |
tsuki |
Sep-25-07 11:02 AM |
#193 |
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oh for pete's sake...WTF is wrong with people? |
ixion |
Sep-23-07 09:28 PM |
#2 |
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He's a kid with a disability |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 09:30 PM |
#6 |
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I totally agree! |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-23-07 09:43 PM |
#22 |
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But the question is |
pnwmom |
Sep-23-07 10:27 PM |
#75 |
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The prosecutor went to the same school as the prosecutor in LA |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:53 PM |
#108 |
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They're incredibly ignorant. n/t |
pnwmom |
Sep-23-07 10:26 PM |
#74 |
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TAZE HIM!!!! |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-23-07 09:28 PM |
#3 |
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I knew someone would post that! |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 09:30 PM |
#7 |
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You know you can count on me. :) |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-23-07 09:31 PM |
#9 |
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And he'll probably be on the pedo-list for the rest of his life. |
Nutmegger |
Sep-23-07 09:28 PM |
#4 |
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It's Been a Matter of Time |
Crisco |
Sep-23-07 09:31 PM |
#8 |
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Yes that is the big picture here |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 09:35 PM |
#11 |
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After Reading the Rest of the Article |
Crisco |
Sep-23-07 09:36 PM |
#13 |
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I wondered that too but they have every right to expect the school to deal with their child |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 09:59 PM |
#40 |
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He's autistic... |
Mythsaje |
Sep-23-07 10:43 PM |
#94 |
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Plus, a lot of aides have to do this while being paid about $6.50/hr. |
WakeMeUp |
Sep-23-07 09:40 PM |
#18 |
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Unbelievable, No? |
Crisco |
Sep-23-07 09:51 PM |
#29 |
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Yes thanks for pointing that out |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 09:54 PM |
#35 |
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Aides are not treated with the respect they deserve. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-24-07 01:00 PM |
#175 |
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Charging the autistic child w/ assault may be the only way to address problem/unhelpful parents |
cryingshame |
Sep-23-07 10:12 PM |
#56 |
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If they really are being unhelpful |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 11:21 PM |
#133 |
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Yeah.. |
sendero |
Sep-24-07 10:40 AM |
#169 |
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The larger picture is the justice system. |
pnwmom |
Sep-23-07 10:29 PM |
#78 |
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It's difficult on other students to go to school with a child that got |
lizzy |
Sep-23-07 09:36 PM |
# |
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Every Once In A While, I Wonder How So Many People Could Have Voted For Bush |
MannyGoldstein |
Sep-23-07 09:32 PM |
#10 |
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You got it, a nation of idiots. explains a lot doesn't it. |
5X |
Sep-23-07 09:36 PM |
#12 |
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"Nathan grabbed her by the shirt, pulled her backwards and began punching and kicking her." |
DS1 |
Sep-23-07 09:37 PM |
#14 |
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Are you suggesting a 6 year old should be charged? n/t |
5X |
Sep-23-07 09:40 PM |
#17 |
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see post #60 |
DS1 |
Sep-23-07 10:19 PM |
#64 |
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6. Austic. Criminal. Duh. |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-23-07 09:41 PM |
#19 |
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see post #60 |
DS1 |
Sep-23-07 10:18 PM |
#62 |
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is it cherry-picking to point out that he's, erm, autistic and six years old? |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 09:43 PM |
#21 |
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no. it's part of the story |
DS1 |
Sep-23-07 10:16 PM |
#60 |
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fair enough. an adult was kicked and beaten |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 10:21 PM |
#69 |
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fair enough |
DS1 |
Sep-23-07 10:30 PM |
#79 |
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When I posted this, I was trying to point out what I think the major points are |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:36 PM |
#84 |
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You did fine in summarizing the situation. |
pnwmom |
Sep-23-07 10:39 PM |
#87 |
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and I posted what I considered an important part that you'd left out |
DS1 |
Sep-23-07 10:42 PM |
#90 |
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The headline in the OP said "assault." That says it all. |
pnwmom |
Sep-23-07 10:36 PM |
#86 |
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Please remember that many states have laws that require teachers to report assaults |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:43 PM |
#93 |
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But they don't have laws requiring PROSECUTORS to pursue the charges. |
pnwmom |
Sep-23-07 10:50 PM |
#101 |
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that's amusing |
DS1 |
Sep-23-07 10:44 PM |
#95 |
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Huh? I have consistently said the details of the assault are unimportant. |
pnwmom |
Sep-23-07 10:49 PM |
#99 |
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I'm not sure what you found selective. |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 10:42 PM |
#91 |
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I found the part where a teacher was punched and kicked 'selective' |
DS1 |
Sep-23-07 10:49 PM |
#100 |
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The term "assault" covered the situation well. Anyone who wanted |
pnwmom |
Sep-23-07 10:52 PM |
#105 |
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Again |
DS1 |
Sep-23-07 11:00 PM |
#114 |
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but what *are* you arguing? |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 11:04 PM |
#117 |
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Yes, that pretty much sums it up |
DS1 |
Sep-23-07 11:09 PM |
#122 |
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So, why exactly are the details important? |
Pithlet |
Sep-23-07 11:18 PM |
#131 |
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I Would Call Them Relevant |
Crisco |
Sep-24-07 05:57 PM |
#185 |
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It is never appropriate to charge a 6 year old criminally. |
Pithlet |
Sep-25-07 01:12 PM |
#196 |
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It Is Never Appropriate for a 6-Year Old to Smack a Teacher Around, Either |
Crisco |
Sep-25-07 02:21 PM |
#197 |
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Cherrypicking?!?! You do realize this child doesn't even have the capacity to be responsible... |
Solon |
Sep-23-07 09:53 PM |
#33 |
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see post #60 |
DS1 |
Sep-23-07 10:18 PM |
#63 |
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Who cares? He's a 6 year old. He's not at the age of reason, |
pnwmom |
Sep-23-07 10:33 PM |
#81 |
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oh for fuck's sake. |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 09:42 PM |
#20 |
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LOL I know what you mean |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:05 PM |
#46 |
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I saw your post about that in the ed group. |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 10:12 PM |
#57 |
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The LD kids are really getting screwed |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:19 PM |
#67 |
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I Know What You Mean |
Irishonly |
Sep-25-07 03:02 PM |
#201 |
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I have a cousin who's a special ed teacher |
Canuckistanian |
Sep-23-07 10:25 PM |
#73 |
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autism is on the outskirts of what I normally deal with. |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 10:35 PM |
#83 |
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Insanity |
piesRsquare |
Sep-23-07 11:26 PM |
#137 |
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I'm not sure I agree. |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 11:36 PM |
#141 |
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So group them with the AD/HD kids? |
piesRsquare |
Sep-24-07 12:04 AM |
#150 |
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Sadly the AD/HD kids are not our worst concern |
proud2Blib |
Sep-24-07 07:16 AM |
#161 |
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I kissed my 1st grade teacher |
djohnson |
Sep-23-07 09:43 PM |
#23 |
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What does charging the boy solve? It won't cure his autism, and punishment |
PA Democrat |
Sep-23-07 09:43 PM |
#24 |
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I Think It's More About Altering Parental Behavior / Attitudes |
Crisco |
Sep-23-07 09:49 PM |
#28 |
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How is 'parental apathy' relevant? |
djohnson |
Sep-23-07 09:52 PM |
#30 |
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It's Only Speculation, But |
Crisco |
Sep-23-07 09:57 PM |
#37 |
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I think you are right on both counts |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:09 PM |
#51 |
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Then state laws are screwed up. This happened to our son last year |
Common Sense Party |
Sep-23-07 10:54 PM |
#109 |
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you don't mess with any child's food. |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 10:58 PM |
#111 |
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What an idiotic thing to do |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:59 PM |
#112 |
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Yikes. NO para? My son's teacher has 3. |
Common Sense Party |
Sep-24-07 09:06 PM |
#188 |
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Yes it is very stressful |
proud2Blib |
Sep-25-07 11:00 AM |
#191 |
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Autistic kids will do what they want |
djohnson |
Sep-23-07 10:45 PM |
#96 |
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Then you are getting it right. It's not reasonable. |
sfexpat2000 |
Sep-23-07 09:57 PM |
#38 |
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Maybe his parents are tired. |
sfexpat2000 |
Sep-23-07 09:55 PM |
#36 |
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No Doubt They Are |
Crisco |
Sep-23-07 09:59 PM |
#41 |
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Yep. And it's usually the family. |
sfexpat2000 |
Sep-23-07 10:03 PM |
#43 |
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Actually we don't have the tech or the dough |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:16 PM |
#58 |
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We do have the dough. We're just putting into Halliburton |
sfexpat2000 |
Sep-23-07 10:19 PM |
#66 |
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Yes that is true |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:23 PM |
#72 |
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That's nuts. And I know what you mean. |
sfexpat2000 |
Sep-23-07 11:33 PM |
#140 |
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so, what should give? |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 10:04 PM |
#44 |
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Somewhere In Between |
Crisco |
Sep-23-07 10:09 PM |
#52 |
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The answer is training teachers |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:28 PM |
#77 |
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my understanding |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 11:02 PM |
#116 |
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And inclusion will work in many cases if we train the teachers |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 11:11 PM |
#125 |
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kind of. |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 11:19 PM |
#132 |
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I have a child with autism. |
PA Democrat |
Sep-23-07 10:12 PM |
#55 |
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Please don't take this the wrong way |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-23-07 10:20 PM |
#68 |
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I so feel for you |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:33 PM |
#82 |
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YOu know, |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-23-07 10:46 PM |
#97 |
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Edited. Dupe |
PA Democrat |
Sep-23-07 11:08 PM |
#120 |
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No, I don't take it the wrong way. |
PA Democrat |
Sep-23-07 11:24 PM |
#136 |
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thanks very much! |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-24-07 12:05 AM |
#151 |
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been there myself, also i have to warn people that 'someone who takes an |
demigoddess |
Sep-24-07 01:01 AM |
#157 |
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How are you all doing, PA Democrat? |
sfexpat2000 |
Sep-23-07 10:21 PM |
#70 |
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We're having a great school year so far! |
PA Democrat |
Sep-23-07 10:52 PM |
#104 |
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Thank goodness! So great to hear. |
sfexpat2000 |
Sep-23-07 11:11 PM |
#124 |
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IT's always so nice to read some good news for a change! nt |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-23-07 11:14 PM |
#128 |
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buggy dupe |
sfexpat2000 |
Sep-23-07 11:18 PM |
#130 |
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I personally think there is a movement now |
mmonk |
Sep-23-07 09:46 PM |
#26 |
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Well, I would be one of them |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-23-07 10:04 PM |
#45 |
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is your son on an IEP? |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 10:07 PM |
#49 |
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Yes, he's on an IEP. |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-23-07 10:10 PM |
#53 |
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you don't have to wait for the annual review. |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 10:16 PM |
#59 |
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Yes Uly is right; ask for an IEP review now |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:40 PM |
#88 |
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Thanks so much. |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-23-07 10:52 PM |
#102 |
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No but I know the federal regs backwards and forwards |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:56 PM |
#110 |
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I hope you don't mnd if I PM you sometime? |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-23-07 11:12 PM |
#126 |
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Of course I don't mind |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 11:24 PM |
#135 |
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Get an advocate for your child. |
Midlodemocrat |
Sep-24-07 12:50 PM |
#174 |
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As a volunteer for The Arc, I have lots of developmentally disabled friends. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-23-07 10:19 PM |
#65 |
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My son looks very normal |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-23-07 10:33 PM |
#80 |
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It is absolutely true that the label of autism helps qualify for services. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-23-07 10:53 PM |
#106 |
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The statistical chance of my child being self sufficient is remote |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-23-07 11:01 PM |
#115 |
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I know several young adults with fairly profound deficits... |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-23-07 11:10 PM |
#123 |
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When I think of self sufficient, I just |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-24-07 12:00 AM |
#149 |
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We all need life-long support to one degree or another |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-24-07 12:43 PM |
#172 |
| -
Thrusting every kid with disabilities into a regular ed setting is not right |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:47 PM |
#98 |
| -
Yes, that is true. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-23-07 11:00 PM |
#113 |
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THIS autistic kindergartener is obviously not doing well in a regular kdg class |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 11:18 PM |
#129 |
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Exactly. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-23-07 10:05 PM |
#47 |
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The fact he is a special needs child is a red herring |
Tian Zhuangzhuang |
Sep-23-07 09:48 PM |
#27 |
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No it's not. It aggravates the fact you mention. |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-23-07 09:53 PM |
#31 |
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Actually we are on the same page. |
Tian Zhuangzhuang |
Sep-23-07 10:00 PM |
#42 |
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Yup. |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-23-07 10:53 PM |
#107 |
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Children are entitled to a free and appropriate education. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-23-07 10:10 PM |
#54 |
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You're right. No six year old should be charged with a criminal offense. |
pnwmom |
Sep-23-07 10:41 PM |
#89 |
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I sort of agree |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 11:27 PM |
#138 |
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Even the juvenile justice system isn't set up for 6 year olds. But family |
pnwmom |
Sep-23-07 11:31 PM |
#139 |
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The important thing is to get kids help when they need it |
proud2Blib |
Sep-24-07 12:14 AM |
#152 |
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I'm sure they do. And with autistic kids, they need help from |
pnwmom |
Sep-24-07 12:21 AM |
#153 |
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The prison state, flames in its eyes, hisses "Feed me your children." |
Jed Dilligan |
Sep-23-07 09:54 PM |
#34 |
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When my son was a 6 year old first grader... |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-23-07 09:58 PM |
#39 |
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*sigh* |
Evoman |
Sep-23-07 10:07 PM |
#48 |
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Getting the criminal justice system involved on this one is totally irresponsible. |
varkam |
Sep-23-07 10:07 PM |
#50 |
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A kid is acting out. Call the police! File a complaint! |
depakid |
Sep-23-07 10:17 PM |
#61 |
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Grab the cuffs and charge the tazers. |
varkam |
Sep-23-07 10:22 PM |
#71 |
| -
What an asshole. Unless Miss Glinda is seven years old, then |
valerief |
Sep-23-07 10:28 PM |
#76 |
| -
"Is she retarded or something?" :wtf: |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-23-07 10:36 PM |
#85 |
| -
See post 162. nt |
valerief |
Sep-24-07 07:18 AM |
#163 |
| -
You still apparently don't get it! |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-24-07 10:36 AM |
#168 |
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Aw, loosen up. It's a big world out there with a lot of words. Hey, how do you hide your profile? |
valerief |
Sep-24-07 03:29 PM |
#176 |
| -
Very politically correct, I must say |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-25-07 10:57 AM |
#190 |
| -
No, it's the prosecutor that should be hung out to dry. |
pnwmom |
Sep-23-07 10:43 PM |
#92 |
| -
Bingo! |
proud2Blib |
Sep-23-07 10:52 PM |
#103 |
| -
It reads like it was Glinda who filed the charge, so I'd say she started it. |
valerief |
Sep-24-07 07:18 AM |
#162 |
| -
She is probably just following the law |
proud2Blib |
Sep-24-07 07:22 AM |
#164 |
| -
Good gawd, how can anyone interpret a LITTLE kid whaling on you |
valerief |
Sep-24-07 07:28 AM |
#165 |
| -
Have you read the statutes? |
proud2Blib |
Sep-24-07 07:32 AM |
#166 |
| -
dupe |
piesRsquare |
Sep-23-07 11:06 PM |
#118 |
| -
HELLO?! |
piesRsquare |
Sep-23-07 11:07 PM |
#119 |
| -
I also think special needs children need to be taught with |
lizzy |
Sep-23-07 11:12 PM |
#127 |
| -
do you view that as an absolute? |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 11:22 PM |
#134 |
| -
Some kids don't belong in "regular" classrooms |
piesRsquare |
Sep-23-07 11:43 PM |
#143 |
| -
again, I'm not sure I buy |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 11:50 PM |
#146 |
| -
I'm referring to "inappropriate inclusion" |
piesRsquare |
Sep-24-07 01:07 AM |
#158 |
| -
You're right |
midlife_mo_Jo |
Sep-24-07 10:46 AM |
#170 |
| -
Guess what? After those "special needs kids" turn 21, then they're |
PA Democrat |
Sep-23-07 11:45 PM |
#144 |
| -
this is a good point. |
ulysses |
Sep-23-07 11:52 PM |
#147 |
| -
And funding for services for adults with disabilities is in bad shape |
PA Democrat |
Sep-24-07 12:00 AM |
#148 |
| -
Absolutely |
piesRsquare |
Sep-24-07 12:46 AM |
#155 |
| -
The reality of options available to kids and parents is very often far from ideal. |
PA Democrat |
Sep-24-07 07:06 AM |
#159 |
| -
As far as activities outside of school..... |
PA Democrat |
Sep-24-07 07:49 AM |
#167 |
| -
I disagree with this statement in the strongest possible terms. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-24-07 12:50 PM |
#173 |
| -
That a 6 year old being charged with a crime generates argument *at all* is fucking pathetic. |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-23-07 11:09 PM |
#121 |
| -
I know... |
Mythsaje |
Sep-24-07 12:25 AM |
#154 |
| -
Off topic, but... |
LostInAnomie |
Sep-23-07 11:38 PM |
#142 |
| -
I'm sure his parents are correct. |
LWolf |
Sep-23-07 11:48 PM |
#145 |
| -
The teacher isn't the one pressing charges I don't believe |
proud2Blib |
Sep-24-07 10:59 AM |
#171 |
| -
That really puts the teacher |
LWolf |
Sep-24-07 09:29 PM |
#189 |
| -
deleted |
redqueen |
Sep-24-07 03:32 PM |
#177 |
| -
For the love of all that is good, |
Kajsa |
Sep-24-07 03:50 PM |
#178 |
| -
Bad teacher aide! No donut! |
KamaAina |
Sep-24-07 05:31 PM |
#180 |
| -
Hear, hear! |
Kajsa |
Sep-24-07 05:45 PM |
#183 |
| -
That could easily have been my autistic son a few years ago. |
Ilsa |
Sep-24-07 05:58 PM |
#186 |
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Has anyone read "The Case Of The Dead Dog" or something like that? |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-25-07 11:00 AM |
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"The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time" |
KamaAina |
Sep-25-07 01:00 PM |
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Thank you! I thought it was a pretty good read as well. |
BlooInBloo |
Sep-25-07 02:23 PM |
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There is very little being done to help schools with these kids... |
cynatnite |
Sep-25-07 02:29 PM |
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Utterly insane |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Sep-25-07 02:37 PM |
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this is madness - my mother deals with kids like this every single day |
mark414 |
Sep-25-07 03:09 PM |
#202 |
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