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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 03:16 AM
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3. I thought it was perfectly reasonable for them to detain her, BUT
Edited on Sun Sep-23-07 03:18 AM by pnwmom
once they determined she wasn't wearing a detonator, just a circuit board that lit up lights in the shape of a star, and once she explained that her name was Star, and that she had made it for Career Day the day before, and that those ominous words "socket to me -- Course 6" referred to her EE major -- they should have let her go. Or, at the least, the prosecutor should not be pressing charges. Instead, he's grandstanding.

And I wonder if he would be grandstanding if she was a cute white coed, not a bleached blonde of indeterminate race.
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  -The response here to the MIT student situation is confusing to me. jpgray  Sep-23-07 03:09 AM   #0 
  - I agree that detaining her was the right thing to do...  Mythsaje   Sep-23-07 03:12 AM   #1 
  - I think people associate terror with Bush's politics, so some want to ridicule the possibility --  DeepModem Mom   Sep-23-07 03:16 AM   #2 
  - I thought it was perfectly reasonable for them to detain her, BUT  pnwmom   Sep-23-07 03:16 AM   #3 
  - My confusion comes in when people say it looks nothing like a bomb  jpgray   Sep-23-07 03:22 AM   #4 
     - The detonator in your picture consists of a cell phone attached to a circuit  pnwmom   Sep-23-07 03:40 AM   #10 
        - If you're activating the bomb in situ, why would your detonator need a transmitting device?  jpgray   Sep-23-07 03:50 AM   #12 
        - If the bomb is in situ, where is the explosive? And why would a real bomber wear  pnwmom   Sep-23-07 03:55 AM   #15 
           - Wires could easily trail to a concealed explosive on her person.  jpgray   Sep-23-07 03:59 AM   #16 
              - They "could" but they didn't. I have no problem with them detaining her,  pnwmom   Sep-23-07 04:05 AM   #18 
                 - My big problem is with people who say "it looks nothing like a bomb"  jpgray   Sep-23-07 04:11 AM   #19 
                    - I don't think it looks like a bomb, and neither did all the people who  pnwmom   Sep-23-07 04:21 AM   #23 
                    - Detonator-lookalikes are de rigueur at engineering career days. Not at the airport  jpgray   Sep-23-07 04:32 AM   #28 
                    - context is everything  northzax   Sep-23-07 03:57 PM   #62 
                    - I wanted to assume...  LanternWaste   Sep-23-07 03:10 PM   #59 
        - And police would know that how? Without inspecting the device?  lizzy   Sep-23-07 02:37 PM   #36 
  - They have nothing else  RogueBandit   Sep-23-07 03:25 AM   #5 
  - If someone -really wants- to do another 9/11 scale attack, they will  jpgray   Sep-23-07 03:30 AM   #8 
     - I think charging her should depend on what her motivation was.  lizzy   Sep-23-07 02:45 PM   #45 
        - Certainly she would never give an untruthful answer to a question about her motivation, right? n/t  cherokeeprogressive   Sep-23-07 02:55 PM   #53 
  - It's not some funny joke and you can face  2rth2pwr   Sep-23-07 03:26 AM   #6 
  - What joke?  RogueBandit   Sep-23-07 03:29 AM   #7 
  - But it wasn't a joke or a fake bomb / bomb threat  jpgray   Sep-23-07 03:31 AM   #9 
  - religious symbols cannot be banned in Germany  2rth2pwr   Sep-23-07 03:51 AM   #13 
  - My example was just meant to make a point. You can't just assume intent was there  jpgray   Sep-23-07 03:54 AM   #14 
     - We agree on this much. It is wrong for people to be inferring criminal  pnwmom   Sep-23-07 03:59 AM   #17 
     - Yes, it's a tough one and if there was a crime for being stupid  2rth2pwr   Sep-23-07 04:20 AM   #22 
        - If she had done something suspicious as they detained her, they may have shot her  jpgray   Sep-23-07 04:24 AM   #25 
           - Exactly. The guy in England got shot and he didn't even have  lizzy   Sep-23-07 02:43 PM   #41 
  - In point of fact, those Swastika-sporting Jainists WOULD be arrested in Germany.  WinkyDink   Sep-23-07 02:51 PM   #49 
     - Google is your friend  2rth2pwr   Sep-23-07 11:55 PM   #74 
  - She didn't do it as a joke. She made it to wear on campus,  pnwmom   Sep-23-07 03:43 AM   #11 
  - They were correct in detaining her.....  tkmorris   Sep-23-07 04:15 AM   #20 
  - Totally agree. "It looked nothing like a bomb" is the argument I have a problem with  jpgray   Sep-23-07 04:16 AM   #21 
     - But the problem is, by your definition almost anything could look like a bomb.  pnwmom   Sep-23-07 04:22 AM   #24 
     - So when a detonator-looking thing is exposed on someone, you would ignore it?  jpgray   Sep-23-07 04:26 AM   #26 
     - You know I already said it was right for them to check her out.  pnwmom   Sep-23-07 04:30 AM   #27 
        - I said they shouldn't be charging her in the OP, so why are you arguing with me?  jpgray   Sep-23-07 04:36 AM   #29 
           - Our argument only concerns whether her device looks like a bomb or not.  pnwmom   Sep-23-07 04:41 AM   #30 
              - A circuit board w/ battery strapped to someone = a sneaker to you?  jpgray   Sep-23-07 04:43 AM   #32 
                 - Where did I say that?  pnwmom   Sep-23-07 02:31 PM   #34 
     - there is an element of over-generalization of what constitutes "terroristic"  tigereye   Sep-23-07 02:53 PM   #51 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-23-07 04:42 AM   #31 
        - Time to give all security personnel your introductory electronics correspondence course  jpgray   Sep-23-07 04:46 AM   #33 
           - Why do you keep using the word "strapped" in this context?  pnwmom   Sep-23-07 02:37 PM   #37 
              - Parts were strappe together with scotch tape, no? Look at the picture.  jpgray   Sep-23-07 11:37 PM   #70 
  - My bewilderment comes when people proclaim her a genius because...  mitchum   Sep-23-07 02:34 PM   #35 
  - I think she is supposed to be a genius because she goes to  lizzy   Sep-23-07 02:38 PM   #38 
  - MIT tried to recruit me...  mitchum   Sep-23-07 02:41 PM   #39 
     - I have an MS in mathematics and suck at arithmetic. Only an idiot thinks there's any interesting...  BlooInBloo   Sep-23-07 02:43 PM   #42 
     - This idiot thinks that you are a smarmy motherfucker (and your mother must be desperate)  mitchum   Sep-23-07 02:56 PM   #54 
        - lol!  BlooInBloo   Sep-23-07 02:57 PM   #55 
           - Sorry...that was a little too reflexively vicious on my part  mitchum   Sep-23-07 07:11 PM   #68 
     - Then what did they try to recruit you for and why?  lizzy   Sep-23-07 02:43 PM   #43 
        - The results from some military test (that I only took in order to get out of...  mitchum   Sep-23-07 02:54 PM   #52 
  - I've only seen one point so far I thought I good - regarding Disney vs airport security  Rosemary2205   Sep-23-07 02:49 PM   #48 
     - BTW, I've heard that that guy is now part of the "Pirates of the Caribbean" attraction.  Buns_of_Fire   Sep-23-07 03:22 PM   #60 
        - LOL  Rosemary2205   Sep-23-07 03:39 PM   #61 
  - Run-time decision to detain is very different from the considered decision to charge. Duh.  BlooInBloo   Sep-23-07 02:42 PM   #40 
  - Stop her without using guns, ask about it, let her go...  djohnson   Sep-23-07 02:44 PM   #44 
  - "A bomb would have been concealed anyway." Oh, really? And you KNOW this how?  WinkyDink   Sep-23-07 02:52 PM   #50 
     - Bombs usually are concealed  djohnson   Sep-23-07 03:00 PM   #57 
        - Are you insane? Do you know how many have been killed by obvious-looking exposed bombs?  jpgray   Sep-23-07 11:39 PM   #71 
  - Pretty much agree.  SimpleTrend   Sep-23-07 02:45 PM   #46 
  - Their concerns are self-serving  djohnson   Sep-23-07 03:08 PM   #58 
  - I take airports and airplanes---both having been terrorists' targets---  WinkyDink   Sep-23-07 02:49 PM   #47 
  - How in the world was this a stunt?  djohnson   Sep-23-07 02:58 PM   #56 
  - Would a suicide bomber have something on the outside?  treestar   Sep-23-07 03:57 PM   #63 
  - I am sure that would depend on what the motivation of the bomber is.  lizzy   Sep-23-07 04:07 PM   #65 
  - If they DIDN'T stop her and she blew something up, we would complain about that as well  The Straight Story   Sep-23-07 04:04 PM   #64 
  - It clearly wasn't a bomb.  DuStrange   Sep-23-07 04:12 PM   #66 
     - Nice  jpgray   Sep-23-07 11:41 PM   #72 
  - As usual, you make sense to me  abq e streeter   Sep-23-07 04:19 PM   #67 
  - LOL @ the ghetto explosive in pic 3  TheFriendlyAnarchist   Sep-23-07 07:17 PM   #69 
  - It was perfectly reasonable to detain her at that point.  Pithlet   Sep-23-07 11:49 PM   #73 
 

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