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Response to Reply #125
126. The last one is the kicker.
"How the United States should react if Iraq acquired WMD. The first line of defense...should be a clear and classical statement of deterrence--if they do acquire WMD, their weapons will be unusable because any attempt to use them will bring national obliteration."

- Condoleeza Rice, US National Security Advisor
January/February 2000 issue of Foreign Affairs
2/1/2000

"We are greatly concerned about any possible linkup between terrorists and regimes that have or seek weapons of mass destruction...In the case of Saddam Hussein, we've got a dictator who is clearly pursuing and already possesses some of these weapons. A regime that hates America and everything we stand for must never be permitted to threaten America with weapons of mass destruction."

- Dick Cheney, Vice President
Detroit, Fund-Raiser
6/20/2002

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction."

- Dick Cheney, Vice President
Speech to VFW National Convention
8/26/2002

"There is already a mountain of evidence that Saddam Hussein is gathering weapons for the purpose of using them. And adding additional information is like adding a foot to Mount Everest."

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Response to Question From Press
9/6/2002

"We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."

- Condoleeza Rice, US National Security Advisor
CNN Late Edition
9/8/2002

"Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons."

- George W. Bush, President
Speech to UN General Assembly
9/12/2002

"Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons. We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have."

- George W. Bush, President
Radio Address
10/5/2002

"The Iraqi regime...possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas."

- George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
10/7/2002

"And surveillance photos reveal that the regime is rebuilding facilities that it had used to produce chemical and biological weapons."

- George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
10/7/2002

"After eleven years during which we have tried containment, sanctions, inspections, even selected military action, the end result is that Saddam Hussein still has chemical and biological weapons and is increasing his capabilities to make more. And he is moving ever closer to developing a nuclear weapon."

- George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
10/7/2002

"We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas."

- George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
10/7/2002

"Iraq, despite UN sanctions, maintains an aggressive program to rebuild the infrastructure for its nuclear, chemical, biological, and missile programs. In each instance, Iraq's procurement agents are actively working to obtain both weapons-specific and dual-use materials and technologies critical to their rebuilding and expansion efforts, using front companies and whatever illicit means are at hand."

- John Bolton, Undersecretary of State for Arms Control
Speech to the Hudson Institute
11/1/2002

"We estimate that once Iraq acquires fissile material -- whether from a foreign source or by securing the materials to build an indigenous fissile material capability -- it could fabricate a nuclear weapon within one year. It has rebuilt its civilian chemical infrastructure and renewed production of chemical warfare agents, probably including mustard, sarin, and VX. It actively maintains all key aspects of its offensive BW program."

- John Bolton, Undersecretary of State for Arms Control
Speech to the Hudson Institute
11/1/2002

"Iraq could decide on any given day to provide biological or chemical weapons to a terrorist group or to individual terrorists...The war on terror will not be won until Iraq is completely and verifiably deprived of weapons of mass destruction."

- Dick Cheney, Vice President
Denver, Address To Air National Guard
12/1/2002

"If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world."

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
12/2/2002

"The president of the United States and the secretary of defense would not assert as plainly and bluntly as they have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction if it was not true, and if they did not have a solid basis for saying it."

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Response to Question From Press
12/4/2002

"We know for a fact that there are weapons there."

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
1/9/2003

"I am absolutely convinced, based on the information that's been given to me, that the weapon of mass destruction which can kill more people than an atomic bomb -- that is, biological weapons -- is in the hands of the leadership of Iraq."

- Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader
MSNBC Interview
1/10/2003

"What is unique about Iraq compared to, I would argue, any other country in the world, in this juncture, is the exhaustion of diplomacy thus far, and, No. 2, this intersection of weapons of mass destruction."

- Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader
NewsHour Interview
1/22/2003

"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production."

- George W. Bush, President
State of the Union Address
1/28/2003

"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent."

- George W. Bush, President
State of the Union Address
1/28/2003

"We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more."

- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Remarks to UN Security Council
2/5/2003

"There can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons and the capability to rapidly produce more, many more. And he has the ability to dispense these lethal poisons and diseases in ways that can cause massive death and destruction. If biological weapons seem too terrible to contemplate, chemical weapons are equally chilling."

- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Addresses the U.N. Security Council
2/5/2003

"In Iraq, a dictator is building and hiding weapons that could enable him to dominate the Middle East and intimidate the civilized world -- and we will not allow it."

- George W. Bush, President
Speech to the American Enterprise Institute
2/26/2003

"If Iraq had disarmed itself, gotten rid of its weapons of mass destruction over the past 12 years, or over the last several months since (UN Resolution) 1441 was enacted, we would not be facing the crisis that we now have before us...But the suggestion that we are doing this because we want to go to every country in the Middle East and rearrange all of its pieces is not correct."

- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Interview with Radio France International
2/28/2003

"I am not eager to send young Americans into harm's way in Iraq, or to see innocent people killed or hurt in military operations. Given all of the facts and circumstances known to us, however, I am convinced that if we wait, a threat will continue to materialize in Iraq that could cause incalculable damage to world peace in general, and to the United States in particular."

- Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader
Letter to Future of Freedom Foundation
3/1/2003

"Iraq is a grave threat to this nation. It desires to acquire and use weapons of mass terror and is run by a despot with a proven record of willingness to use them. Iraq has had 12 years to comply with UN requirements for disarmament and has failed to do so. The president is right to say it's time has run out."

- Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader
Senate Speech
3/7/2003

"So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? I think our judgment has to be clearly not."

- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Remarks to UN Security Council
3/7/2003

"Getting rid of Saddam Hussein's regime is our best inoculation. Destroying once and for all his weapons of disease and death is a vaccination for the world."

- Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader
Washington Post op-ed
3/16/2003

"Let's talk about the nuclear proposition for a minute. We know that based on intelligence, that has been very, very good at hiding these kinds of efforts. He's had years to get good at it and we know he has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons. And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."

- Dick Cheney, Vice President
Meet The Press
3/16/2003

"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."

- George W. Bush, President
Address to the Nation
3/17/2003

"The United States...is now at war so we will not ever see what terrorists could do if supplied with weapons of mass destruction by Saddam Hussein."

- Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader
Senate Debate
3/20/2003

"Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes."

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
3/21/2003

"There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And...as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them."

- General Tommy Franks, Commander in Chief Central Command
Press Conference
3/22/2003

"One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites."

- Victoria Clark, Pentagon Spokeswoman
Press Briefing
3/22/2003

"I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction."

- Kenneth Adelman, Defense Policy Board member
Washington Post, p. A27
3/23/2003

"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
ABC Interview
3/30/2003

"We simply cannot live in fear of a ruthless dictator, aggressor and terrorist such as Saddam Hussein, who possesses the world's most deadly weapons."

- Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader
Speech to American Israel Political Action Committee
3/31/2003

"We still need to find and secure Iraq's weapons of mass destruction facilities and secure Iraq's borders so we can prevent the flow of weapons of mass destruction materials and senior regime officials out of the country."

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Press Conference
4/9/2003

"You bet we're concerned about it. And one of the reasons it's important is because the nexus between terrorist states with weapons of mass destruction...and terrorist groups -- networks -- is a critical link. And the thought that...some of those materials could leave the country and in the hands of terrorist networks would be a very unhappy prospect. So it is important to us to see that that doesn't happen."

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Press Conference
4/9/2003

"Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty."

- Robert Kagan, Neocon scholar
Washington Post op-ed
4/9/2003

"I think you have always heard, and you continue to hear from officials, a measure of high confidence that, indeed, the weapons of mass destruction will be found."

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
4/10/2003

"But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found."

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
4/10/2003

"Were not going to find anything until we find people who tell us where the things are. And we have that very high on our priority list, to find the people who know. And when we do, then well learn precisely where things were and what was done."

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Meet the Press
4/13/2003

"I have absolute confidence that there are weapons of mass destruction inside this country. Whether we will turn out, at the end of the day, to find them in one of the 2,000 or 3,000 sites we already know about or whether contact with one of these officials who we may come in contact with will tell us, 'Oh, well, there's actually another site,' and we'll find it there, I'm not sure."

- General Tommy Franks, Commander in Chief Central Command
Fox News
4/13/2003

"We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them."

- George W. Bush, President
NBC Interview
4/24/2003

"There are people who in large measure have information that we need...so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country."

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Press Briefing
4/25/2003

"We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so."

- George W. Bush, President
Remarks to Reporters
5/3/2003

"I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now."

- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Remarks to Reporters
5/4/2003

"We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country."

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Fox News Interview
5/4/2003

"I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program."

- George W. Bush, President
Remarks to Reporters
5/6/2003

"U.S. officials never expected that 'we were going to open garages and find' weapons of mass destruction."

- Condoleeza Rice, US National Security Advisor
Reuters Interview
5/12/2003

"I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean, there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago -- whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're still hidden."

- Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne
Press Briefing
5/13/2003

"We said all along that we will never get to the bottom of the Iraqi WMD program simply by going and searching specific sites, that you'd have to be able to get people who know about the programs to talk to you."

- Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of Defense
Interview with Australian Broadcasting
5/13/2003

"Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found."

- Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps
Interview with Reporters
5/21/2003

"It's going to take time to find them, but we know he had them. And whether he destroyed them, moved them or hid them, we're going to find out the truth. One thing is for certain: Saddam Hussein no longer threatens America with weapons of mass destruction."

- George W. Bush, President
Speech at a weapons factory in Ohio
5/25/2003

"Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction."

- Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff
NBC Today Show interview
5/26/2003

"They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer."

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Remarks to Council on Foreign Relations
5/27/2003

"For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on."

- Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of Defense
Vanity Fair interview
5/28/2003

"The President is indeed satisfied with the intelligence that he received. And I think that's borne out by the fact that, just as Secretary Powell described at the United Nations, we have found the bio trucks that can be used only for the purpose of producing biological weapons. That's proof-perfect that the intelligence in that regard was right on target."

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
5/29/2003

"We have teams of people that are out looking. They've investigated a number of sites. And within the last week or two, they have in fact captured and have in custody two of the mobile trailers that Secretary Powell talked about at the United Nations as being biological weapons laboratories."

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Infinity Radio Interview
5/30/2003

"But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them."

- George W. Bush, President
Interview with TVP Poland
5/30/2003

"You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons...They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two...And we'll find more weapons as time goes on."

- George W. Bush, President
Press Briefing
5/30/2003

"It was a surprise to me then -- it remains a surprise to me now -- that we have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward dispersal sites. Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad, but they're simply not there."

- Lt. Gen. James Conway, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force
Press Interview
5/30/2003

"Do I think we're going to find something? Yeah, I kind of do, because I think there's a lot of information out there."

- Maj. Gen. Keith Dayton, Defense Intelligence Agency
Press Conference
5/30/2003

"This wasn't material I was making up, it came from the intelligence community."

- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Press Briefing
6/2/2003

"We recently found two mobile biological weapons facilities which were capable of producing biological agents. This is the man who spent decades hiding tools of mass murder. He knew the inspectors were looking for them. You know better than me he's got a big country in which to hide them. We're on the look. We'll reveal the truth."

- George W. Bush, President Camp Sayliya, Qatar
6/5/2003

"I would put before you Exhibit A, the mobile biological labs that we have found. People are saying, 'Well, are they truly mobile biological labs?' Yes, they are. And the DCI, George Tenet, Director of Central Intelligence, stands behind that assessment."

- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Fox News Interview
6/8/2003

"No one ever said that we knew precisely where all of these agents were, where they were stored."

- Condoleeza Rice, US National Security Advisor
Meet the Press
6/8/2003

"What the president has said is because it's been the long-standing view of numerous people, not only in this country, not only in this administration, but around the world, including at the United Nations, who came to those conclusions...And the president is not going to engage in the rewriting of history that others may be trying to engage in."

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Response to Question From Press
6/9/2003

"Iraq had a weapons program...Intelligence throughout the decade showed they had a weapons program. I am absolutely convinced with time we'll find out they did have a weapons program."

- George W. Bush, President
Comment to Reporters
6/9/2003

"The biological weapons labs that we believe strongly are biological weapons labs, we didn't find any biological weapons with those labs. But should that give us any comfort? Not at all. Those were labs that could produce biological weapons whenever Saddam Hussein might have wanted to have a biological weapons inventory."

- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Associated Press Interview
6/12/2003

"Those documents were only one piece of evidence in a larger body of evidence suggesting that Iraq attempted to purchase uranium from Africa...The issue of Iraq's pursuit of uranium in Africa is supported by multiple sources of intelligence. The other sources of evidence did and do support the president's statement."

- Sean McCormack, National Security Council Spokesman
Statement to press
6/13/2003

"My personal view is that their intelligence has been, I'm sure, imperfect, but good. In other words, I think the intelligence was correct in general, and that you always will find out precisely what it was once you get on the ground and have a chance to talk to people and explore it, and I think that will happen."

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Press Briefing
6/18/2003

"I have reason, every reason, to believe that the intelligence that we were operating off was correct and that we will, in fact, find weapons or evidence of weapons, programs, that are conclusive. But that's just a matter of time...It's now less than eight weeks since the end of major combat in Iraq and I believe that patience will prove to be a virtue."

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Pentagon media briefing
6/24/2003

MS. BLOCK: There were no toxins found in those trailers. SECRETARY POWELL: Which could mean one of several things: one, they hadn't been used yet to develop toxins; or, secondly, they had been sterilized so thoroughly that there is no residual left. It may well be that they hadn't been used yet.

- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
All Things Considered, Interview
6/27/2003

"That was the concern we had with Saddam Hussein. Not only did he have weapons -- and we'll uncover not only his weapons but all of his weapons programs -- he never lost the intent to have these kinds of weapons."

- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
All Things Considered, Interview
6/27/2003

"I think the burden is on those people who think he didn't have weapons of mass destruction to tell the world where they are."

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
7/9/2003
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  Can I ask you all something?...Kinda serious and a tad personal, in search of your best insights. WilliamPitt  Sep-22-07 08:56 PM   #0 
   You can't cure stupid, Mr. Pitt.  11 Bravo   Sep-22-07 09:02 PM   #1 
   She wasn't an airline passenger. She went there to pick up someone.  eppur_se_muova   Sep-22-07 09:15 PM   #15 
   The authorities have to make an example of someone periodically to "prove" that they are protecting-  AdHocSolver   Sep-23-07 04:20 AM   #123 
      That title sentence is spot on.  eppur_se_muova   Sep-23-07 03:27 PM   #141 
   Stupidity of the people who are supposed to protect us, more like it.  TheFriendlyAnarchist   Sep-22-07 09:58 PM   #54 
   "She should have thought about the ignorance of the people though"  WilliamPitt   Sep-22-07 11:48 PM   #95 
      You can't cure stupid/ignorance of the people though. Here is my problem Will  uppityperson   Sep-23-07 12:21 AM   #106 
      Neither will I  WilliamPitt   Sep-23-07 12:29 AM   #110 
      But ultimately that's really just another way of saying you must do what they want you to do  cui bono   Sep-23-07 03:30 PM   #143 
   Morons like her are begging to get shot  Zandor   Sep-23-07 04:08 PM   #146 
   Quite frankly  cali   Sep-22-07 09:02 PM   #2 
   Those in charge of our safety need to read a fucking book.  porphyrian   Sep-22-07 09:04 PM   #3 
   You're totally correct  WilliamPitt   Sep-22-07 09:09 PM   #6 
   in London or Tel-aviv I think the response, if there had been an official  nosmokes   Sep-22-07 09:13 PM   #12 
   Low-key from decades of training and experience, but...  WilliamPitt   Sep-22-07 09:15 PM   #16 
   Oh, I don't think so  cali   Sep-22-07 09:20 PM   #24 
      indeed, a young man from brazil was killed for basically walking out of the wrong bldg in london  pitohui   Sep-22-07 09:27 PM   #35 
   There's a huge difference between a serious reaction and a panic.  porphyrian   Sep-22-07 09:18 PM   #20 
   You didn't need ANYTHING strapped to you in London to raise suspicion  Amelie   Sep-23-07 03:22 PM   #140 
   Cops do know better. But they have to get up close and see it first.  Nailzberg   Sep-22-07 09:33 PM   #38 
   If the police response was well executed and appropriate, it would've been over in fifteen minutes..  porphyrian   Sep-22-07 09:52 PM   #51 
      Jokingly, do you really think Boston can handle all those tunnels?  Nailzberg   Sep-22-07 10:18 PM   #71 
         Heh, I don't know how anyone handles those tunnels.  porphyrian   Sep-22-07 10:33 PM   #82 
            They did control the situation, and I read no reports of panic.  Nailzberg   Sep-22-07 11:33 PM   #93 
   Someone else who actually knows what explosives and their detonation system's look like!  TheFriendlyAnarchist   Sep-22-07 09:59 PM   #56 
   Heh, well, not so much as I know what they DON'T look like...  porphyrian   Sep-22-07 10:09 PM   #64 
   Sorry, I'm not taking your word for it. n/t  cali   Sep-22-07 10:02 PM   #59 
   You're not taking my word for what, and why do you think I care? - n/t  porphyrian   Sep-22-07 10:09 PM   #65 
   I assumed it was about the distinction between this device and explosive  TheFriendlyAnarchist   Sep-22-07 10:14 PM   #68 
      I guess, but that would be a stupid thing to question, given the ease of checking the facts.  porphyrian   Sep-22-07 10:19 PM   #72 
   If you won't take our word for it, then I implore you  TheFriendlyAnarchist   Sep-22-07 10:12 PM   #67 
      Just did and you're right  cali   Sep-22-07 10:29 PM   #80 
   Your response brings up a whole different matter....  pointblank   Sep-23-07 02:49 AM   #121 
      I agree with that, though with the caveat that being partnered with an experienced officer...  porphyrian   Sep-23-07 03:19 AM   #122 
   I think it's nuts. When lite brite-lite boards get taken for bombs and shut  nosmokes   Sep-22-07 09:07 PM   #4 
   two words....  mike_c   Sep-22-07 09:08 PM   #5 
   Nope. That's a truly lousy comparison  cali   Sep-22-07 09:16 PM   #17 
      it is EXACLTY the same thing....  mike_c   Sep-22-07 09:21 PM   #26 
      mike, do you belive witchcraft can pose a threat to you?  cali   Sep-22-07 09:34 PM   #41 
      cali-- what I think is immaterial-- neither witchcraft nor pieces of random circuitry...  mike_c   Sep-22-07 10:01 PM   #58 
      You are right. Witchcraft and "terrorism" are excellent analogies.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Sep-22-07 09:49 PM   #48 
      Good analogy. "the only thing to fear is fear itself" & "we have met the enemy and he is us"  uppityperson   Sep-23-07 12:22 AM   #107 
      "wires and blinky lights, as you put it, can be real dangers that really kill people"  HughMoran   Sep-22-07 11:33 PM   #92 
   As a wise poster said: "Why didn't they just fucking ask her what it was?"  Bonobo   Sep-22-07 09:09 PM   #7 
   They DID ASK HER! And she didn't answer.  cryingshame   Sep-22-07 09:11 PM   #10 
   Sounds to me like she probably didn't hear.  Bonobo   Sep-22-07 09:23 PM   #28 
   And she says "Oh, nothing."  WilliamPitt   Sep-22-07 09:13 PM   #11 
   What about the next person who is "sweaty and anxious-looking"...  Bonobo   Sep-22-07 09:20 PM   #23 
   You can't compare  cali   Sep-22-07 09:25 PM   #33 
      I was predicting our future.  Bonobo   Sep-22-07 09:33 PM   #39 
         They are training security to do that, also check out what books are being read.  uppityperson   Sep-23-07 12:24 AM   #108 
            Will DU'ers say "You shouldn't show up at the airport if you are nervous!"?  Bonobo   Sep-23-07 12:49 AM   #112 
               Will my airline refund my ticket if I just got yelled at at work? Or if my parent died?  uppityperson   Sep-23-07 12:53 AM   #113 
   I had not seen that part  frogcycle   Sep-22-07 09:24 PM   #29 
   I agree--Security people usually aren't artsy types lol  Carni   Sep-22-07 10:22 PM   #75 
   They did. She walked away.  Nailzberg   Sep-22-07 09:17 PM   #19 
   Is that really how you want security or  2rth2pwr   Sep-23-07 01:34 AM   #116 
   Saw the awesome rant. I know what shirts look like and they NEVER have wires/batteries attached.  cryingshame   Sep-22-07 09:11 PM   #8 
   The reason that we're so up in arms about it is that it's a remarkably  TheFriendlyAnarchist   Sep-22-07 10:22 PM   #74 
   Making it even easier: Breadboard described and pictured.  1monster   Sep-22-07 11:12 PM   #88 
   Damn straight  bluescribbler   Sep-24-07 02:37 PM   #152 
   It's f#cking contagious.  sfexpat2000   Sep-22-07 09:11 PM   #9 
   I think it proves the fear-inciting propaganda is working.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Sep-22-07 09:13 PM   #13 
   yes the fear incitement works  cali   Sep-22-07 09:19 PM   #21 
      A few, very few incidents. Do I avoid driving my car because of bzillions of incidents of accidents  sicksicksick_N_tired   Sep-22-07 09:43 PM   #45 
         a few? Please.  cali   Sep-22-07 09:49 PM   #49 
            How many people have died in our war on Iraq? How many people die on our freeways?  sicksicksick_N_tired   Sep-22-07 10:07 PM   #62 
               stop making sense. nt  HardRocker2005   Sep-23-07 05:12 AM   #129 
   The MIT/airport incident differs from the Andrew Meyers incident  goodgd_yall   Sep-22-07 09:15 PM   #14 
   The Meyers incident is different  WilliamPitt   Sep-22-07 09:17 PM   #18 
      yeah meyers is completely different  pitohui   Sep-22-07 09:25 PM   #32 
   It's Not Much Different Than Teaching Your Kids Not To Point A Toy Gun  vanlassie   Sep-22-07 09:19 PM   #22 
   stupidity does and should have consequences  pitohui   Sep-22-07 09:20 PM   #25 
   She'd been wearing that shirt on campus for DAYS or weeks, according to the  kath   Sep-23-07 01:53 AM   #117 
   Nothing wrong with that rant. OTOH...  MH1   Sep-22-07 09:23 PM   #27 
   Well...  WilliamPitt   Sep-22-07 09:58 PM   #55 
      The public completely folded on Gore in 2000/2001  MH1   Sep-22-07 10:26 PM   #77 
   I'm not sure what you are "asking" us.....  avrdream   Sep-22-07 09:24 PM   #30 
   We now have systems in place  Turbineguy   Sep-22-07 09:24 PM   #31 
   I grew up in Buffalo, NY, BEFORE 9/11 - and even being the smart assed kid I was  FLDem5   Sep-22-07 09:26 PM   #34 
   The beast loosed upon us is called 'Fear' and it WILL take its toll.  TahitiNut   Sep-22-07 09:29 PM   #36 
   To borrow a phrase I usually despise...  MANative   Sep-22-07 09:30 PM   #37 
   In The Country Of The Blind  Forrest Greene   Sep-22-07 09:34 PM   #40 
   About the MIT student.  Cleita   Sep-22-07 09:36 PM   #42 
   Three people owe me their lives.  WilliamPitt   Sep-22-07 10:07 PM   #63 
      You need to get into a time machine then--  eridani   Sep-23-07 06:00 PM   #148 
   someone is going to get killed one day  blues90   Sep-22-07 09:37 PM   #43 
   Common sense and political terror cannot coexist.  rug   Sep-22-07 09:41 PM   #44 
   That's a good way to put it.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Sep-22-07 09:47 PM   #47 
   Wirey lit up thingys in airports?  DemGa   Sep-22-07 09:46 PM   #46 
   Seems to me like you're overreacting  Jed Dilligan   Sep-22-07 09:51 PM   #50 
   Mr Pitt...  baby_mouse   Sep-22-07 09:52 PM   #52 
   Should she have died in the act of non-capitulation?  WilliamPitt   Sep-22-07 10:02 PM   #60 
      Oh, for the love of... look, Will...  baby_mouse   Sep-22-07 10:31 PM   #81 
         You make my point.  WilliamPitt   Sep-22-07 11:03 PM   #86 
   Responsibility  RainDog   Sep-22-07 09:55 PM   #53 
   Righteous holy rant, Will. Great Gods Almighty--how far up her ass was this kid's head?!?!?!?!  Hekate   Sep-22-07 09:59 PM   #57 
   I don't think the woman involved gave it a thought, much less  BlackVelvet04   Sep-22-07 10:04 PM   #61 
   I think there is a difference between common sense and authoritarianism.  renie408   Sep-22-07 10:12 PM   #66 
   To lack hypocrisy, cell phones should probably be included  SimpleTrend   Sep-22-07 10:14 PM   #69 
   When we self-censor more than we used to  annabanana   Sep-22-07 10:16 PM   #70 
   That's already happened.  piesRsquare   Sep-22-07 11:08 PM   #87 
      oh yes there was-  Bluerthanblue   Sep-23-07 12:09 AM   #99 
         two  uppityperson   Sep-23-07 12:27 AM   #109 
            Three.  kath   Sep-23-07 02:06 AM   #119 
   Aside from the dig at the Southie cop, I agree with it from a former Bostonian perspective.  Gormy Cuss   Sep-22-07 10:20 PM   #73 
   "There will be death."  Disturbed   Sep-22-07 10:48 PM   #84 
   Good discussion. Now, will  asjr   Sep-22-07 10:23 PM   #76 
   Mr. Pitt, I haven't always agreed with your viewpoints,  piesRsquare   Sep-22-07 10:27 PM   #78 
   some of the smartest people I know are stupid. know what I mean? I file her under that. n/t  ourbluenation   Sep-22-07 10:28 PM   #79 
   I don't think it is an age thing  DefenseLawyer   Sep-22-07 10:37 PM   #83 
   I seriously doubt he was "lamenting"...  piesRsquare   Sep-22-07 11:14 PM   #89 
      Pissed that he had to do his job?  DefenseLawyer   Sep-22-07 11:26 PM   #91 
         Nice town, Indy.  WilliamPitt   Sep-22-07 11:45 PM   #94 
            No offense taken  DefenseLawyer   Sep-23-07 12:06 AM   #98 
               It is a fine line  WilliamPitt   Sep-23-07 12:18 AM   #104 
                  I don't think human beings will ever find that balance.  Evoman   Sep-23-07 04:56 AM   #127 
                     I answered your question below, btw.  WilliamPitt   Sep-23-07 05:01 AM   #128 
   I thought the same thing when I heard this story.......  Mind_your_head   Sep-22-07 10:56 PM   #85 
   The old adage about learning to pick your fights comes to mind  havocmom   Sep-22-07 11:25 PM   #90 
   When I was an art student long ago in the 80's, a very good friend of mine  Emit   Sep-22-07 11:48 PM   #96 
   See my thread...  arendt   Sep-23-07 12:03 AM   #97 
   Maybe you just need some anger management therapy  Tansy_Gold   Sep-23-07 12:13 AM   #100 
   Thanks, Freud.  WilliamPitt   Sep-23-07 12:30 AM   #111 
   You have to be dumber than a box of rocks to walk into an airport  tabasco   Sep-23-07 12:14 AM   #101 
   This is how I see it.  aikoaiko   Sep-23-07 12:14 AM   #102 
   we are programmed to  JitterbugPerfume   Sep-23-07 12:15 AM   #103 
   I read your earlier post. I agree with you--dumb thing to do, both  wienerdoggie   Sep-23-07 12:19 AM   #105 
   After staying out of this topic all day..  supernova   Sep-23-07 01:13 AM   #114 
   Divided  ClayZ   Sep-23-07 03:47 PM   #145 
   I think you are right on the money  Quixote1818   Sep-23-07 01:18 AM   #115 
   I think the cops overreacted. She didn't look tayorristy enough - no henna dyed beard.  Major Hogwash   Sep-23-07 02:04 AM   #118 
   Selling someone fake drugs carries the same penalty as selling REAL drugs  Nevernose   Sep-23-07 02:29 AM   #120 
   'authoritarianism' is cops busting in on a marijuana co-op and hauling cancer grannies off to jail.  impeachdubya   Sep-23-07 04:42 AM   #124 
   What I'm not getting is this: How is your country batshit crazy?  Evoman   Sep-23-07 04:43 AM   #125 
   The last one is the kicker.  WilliamPitt   Sep-23-07 04:46 AM   #126 
      Okay, your leaders are fucking batshit crazy.  Evoman   Sep-23-07 05:12 AM   #130 
      Yeah.  WilliamPitt   Sep-23-07 05:15 AM   #132 
         Touche.  Evoman   Sep-23-07 05:19 AM   #133 
      !  helderheid   Sep-23-07 02:35 PM   #138 
      Terrific Quotes!  MessiahRp   Sep-23-07 11:50 PM   #151 
   answer: she was stupid AND we're a nation of Big Brother lovers. they're not mutually exclusive. nt  HardRocker2005   Sep-23-07 05:15 AM   #131 
   You don't tug on Superman's cape  Buns_of_Fire   Sep-23-07 06:34 AM   #134 
   Private stupid vs public stupid..  SoCalDem   Sep-23-07 07:47 AM   #135 
   You know those kids who wear the shoes that light up?  Usrename   Sep-23-07 12:21 PM   #136 
   I think many in this country have lost their ability to reason.  mmonk   Sep-23-07 12:24 PM   #137 
   perhaps she was willing to die for her country.  mopinko   Sep-23-07 03:16 PM   #139 
   I can appreciate the artistic quality of it all.  LiberalAndProud   Sep-23-07 03:30 PM   #142 
   Let me reach for my hat as a public safety worker  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-23-07 03:33 PM   #144 
   Separate media realities.  Beam Me Up   Sep-23-07 04:35 PM   #147 
   I'm a bit anti-authoritarian, so take this with a grain of salt, but  motocicleta   Sep-23-07 10:46 PM   #149 
   My feelings on this one:  Bryn   Sep-23-07 11:40 PM   #150 
 

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