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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 11:57 PM
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17. There are several kinds of depression...
...the easiest one to treat is the straight endocrinological depression; that is, imbalance of brain chemistry from purely a purely physiological basis.

That is, the depressed person is not poor, not grieving a terrible loss, not threatened with incapacitating disease, etc., but experiences the symptoms of depression in spite of an otherwise ordinary, reasonably pleasant life.

Then there is the short-term externally-precipitated depression: That is, an otherwise normally not-depressed person who suddenly loses a spouse or child, has an important relationship break off, loses a job they loved, etc. This, too, usually yields fairly readily to treatment once it is recognized and diagnosed and the various treatment options are tested.

Then there is depression secondary to other physical processes like untreated chronic disease, undiagnosed diseases, etc. That's harder to treat since often the treatments for depression are not compatible with other treatment regimens. But there are things that can be done to palliate the worst depressive symptoms, and if the primary disease process is interrupted and that damage alleviated, recovery is possible.

The worst kind of depression is the combination endocrinological depression aggravated by long-term external triggers: Poverty, physical incapacity, isolation, etc. That's the kind that many elderly folks experience. It's aggravated by a social structure that deliberately isolates the elderly, moves them into age-segregated residences and communities, often geographically isolated from family and old friends, provides them with no valid, valuable role to play in family or societal well-being, and bombards them with media messages about how unattractive and useless they are and how unpleasant their company is for all the important (i.e. younger) people who have important work to do. It's aggravated by the whole 'nuclear family' societal ethos that ignores the value of extended families and makes the elderly a burden to their children. That kind of depression doesn't always yield to treatment. Even chemistry can't change society.

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  -THE ELDERLY: highest risk for suicide AZBlue  Sep-18-07 09:55 PM   #0 
  - Yes, we treasure youth at the expense of everything else.  EST   Sep-18-07 10:10 PM   #1 
  - or youth with hotshot computer or high-tech skills...  Triana   Sep-19-07 01:00 AM   #29 
  - Sounds like experience talking.  EST   Sep-19-07 05:22 AM   #36 
  - that doesn't go as far as  Comadreja   Sep-19-07 01:07 AM   #31 
     - In all my reading of history and excited exploration of newly  EST   Sep-19-07 05:37 AM   #37 
  - We do have a youth driven culture in this country :-(  nam78_two   Sep-18-07 10:15 PM   #2 
  - I agree!  AZBlue   Sep-18-07 10:26 PM   #5 
     - Exactly  nam78_two   Sep-18-07 10:28 PM   #6 
  - Our culture is youth obsessed.  tainted_chimp   Sep-18-07 10:16 PM   #3 
  - "I've always been attracted to the past"  nam78_two   Sep-18-07 10:21 PM   #4 
  - Cheers to you, nam78_two!  tainted_chimp   Sep-18-07 10:42 PM   #8 
  - that's true with everything (valuing newer things)  PDenton   Sep-19-07 12:33 AM   #25 
     - I have to be blunt: you need to get out more - and grow up a little.  AZBlue   Sep-19-07 03:15 PM   #42 
  - many of these suicides are because of illlness  pitohui   Sep-18-07 10:33 PM   #7 
  - There's a big difference between ending suffering and just feeling old and worthless.  AZBlue   Sep-18-07 10:47 PM   #9 
  - What she said.nt  nam78_two   Sep-18-07 10:48 PM   #10 
  - agreed BUT that is not the reason rate of suicide highest in elderly  pitohui   Sep-18-07 11:34 PM   #15 
  - alot of elderly are afraid of nursing homes  PDenton   Sep-19-07 01:12 AM   #34 
  - EXACTLY! It is pitiful that we are letting them get away with it. n/t  NotGivingUp   Sep-19-07 06:05 AM   #39 
  - I posted about this earlier today  Lone_Star_Dem   Sep-18-07 10:50 PM   #11 
  - I can imagine it would be easy to become depressed as you get older.  AZBlue   Sep-18-07 11:04 PM   #13 
     - Not surprising at all  Lone_Star_Dem   Sep-18-07 11:23 PM   #14 
     - you don't understand that clinical depression is a disease  pitohui   Sep-18-07 11:38 PM   #16 
     - There's more than one cause of depression  Lone_Star_Dem   Sep-19-07 12:05 AM   #18 
     - Do you suffer from Depression?  AZBlue   Sep-19-07 12:24 AM   #21 
     - clinical depression can happen at any age  PDenton   Sep-19-07 01:06 AM   #30 
     - Ah yes, the poor, put upon typical teenagers of America.  Hoof Hearted   Sep-19-07 01:07 AM   #32 
     - There are several kinds of depression...  TygrBright   Sep-18-07 11:57 PM   #17 
     - What an enlightening post  Lone_Star_Dem   Sep-19-07 12:07 AM   #19 
     - Thank you.  AZBlue   Sep-19-07 12:25 AM   #22 
     - health problems and lack of care or affordable care, and/or lack of insurance...  Triana   Sep-19-07 12:55 AM   #28 
  - The elderly only make money for corporations when  Lint Head   Sep-18-07 11:00 PM   #12 
  - My 80-year-old Mother has threatened (n/t)  Triana   Sep-19-07 12:10 AM   #20 
  - I'm so sorry!  AZBlue   Sep-19-07 12:27 AM   #23 
     - I was not. She lives across the country. I did tell my sister and bro...  Triana   Sep-19-07 12:53 AM   #27 
  - youth depression and suicide is far more devestating  PDenton   Sep-19-07 12:28 AM   #24 
  - Really? I'm sure their children, relatives and friends would disagree with you.  AZBlue   Sep-19-07 12:36 AM   #26 
  - Jesus!  Le Taz Hot   Sep-19-07 05:50 AM   #38 
  - Absurd.  AZBlue   Sep-19-07 03:07 PM   #41 
  - Let me guess, under 30?  Raster   Sep-19-07 10:50 AM   #40 
  - Why not let the elderly smoke crack?  Comadreja   Sep-19-07 01:10 AM   #33 
  - It makes me really sad  idgiehkt   Sep-19-07 05:09 AM   #35 

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