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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #91
102. up to a point, yes, that's the way it SHOULD work....
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 08:24 PM by mike_c
Look, I give public presentations just about every day. I know how crappy it is to have a jerk in the audience. But that's just part of the landscape in public forums.

Addressing your specific example: guy goes to a city council meeting and espresses his frustration loudly and angrily. The proper way to deal with that situation is to confront him civilly-- as long as he is not breaking the law, threatening anyone, etc, then he is being a nuisance, and skillful public speakers can deal with nuisances, even when they are utterly intractable-- you just have to let them say their piece, over and over if necessary, and if you acknowledge them you have a chance of salvaging the situation. So up to that point, I say yes, our nuisance is entirely within his rights and the matter does not need recourse to law enforcement. If no one attempts to use force, there will not be any need for the latter part of your scenario.
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  -Let's all cry bitter tears, weep and moan and rend our garments over some belligerent asshole Redstone  Sep-18-07 06:50 PM   #0 
  - Interesting post re: possible motive  TwilightZone   Sep-18-07 06:55 PM   #1 
  - Well well, now, Our Hero. Let's man the barricades in his defense!  Redstone   Sep-18-07 07:01 PM   # 
  - The guy was a troll.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-18-07 06:56 PM   #2 
  - that's not the point  subsuelo   Sep-18-07 06:58 PM   #8 
  - It's a point that his arrest had nothing to do with silencing free speech or honest question.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-18-07 07:03 PM   #16 
     - Jesus, here I am agreeing with you again. This was not some innocent kid trying  Redstone   Sep-18-07 07:07 PM   #25 
     - Here are some speculations  question everything   Sep-18-07 07:54 PM   #82 
     - So if I ask about Skull and Bones I somehow deserve tasering?  cgrindley   Sep-19-07 03:21 AM   #144 
  - Why was he asking about impeaching Bush then? n/t  renie408   Sep-18-07 07:01 PM   #9 
  - He is not a freeper, at least not from anything I have seen.  KaptBunnyPants   Sep-18-07 07:06 PM   #22 
  - If this had happened at a Bush rally people would be up in arms.  Bluebear   Sep-18-07 07:07 PM   # 
  - Kerry and Bush are two different people.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-18-07 07:10 PM   #31 
  - if this had been done by a freeper at a clinton or obama rally, people would be applauding  onenote   Sep-18-07 11:54 PM   #118 
  - I sure as shit wouldn't  cgrindley   Sep-19-07 03:17 AM   #143 
  - Because both Kerry and the University bent over backwards  karynnj   Sep-19-07 12:48 AM   #129 
  - I'm calling him the moral equivalent.  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-18-07 07:09 PM   #28 
  - The cops gave the reason as being that he was inciting a riot  truedelphi   Sep-18-07 11:31 PM   #111 
     - not what he was arrested for  onenote   Sep-18-07 11:57 PM   #122 
        - The YouTube clip I watched had the police  truedelphi   Sep-19-07 12:14 AM   #125 
  - This week's sign that the apocalypse is upon us ...  11 Bravo   Sep-18-07 07:27 PM   #60 
     - Hey, how do you think I feel? I'm agreeing with BOTH of you!  Redstone   Sep-18-07 07:34 PM   #65 
     - Fuck! I'm thinking prescription drugs all around!  11 Bravo   Sep-18-07 07:41 PM   #74 
        - It's GOTTA be that fluoride in the drinking water!  Redstone   Sep-18-07 07:44 PM   #78 
     - I know  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Sep-18-07 08:16 PM   #99 
  - Yeehaw, shock him.  Bluebear   Sep-18-07 06:56 PM   #3 
  - I agree with you  nevergiveup   Sep-18-07 06:57 PM   #4 
  - How?  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-18-07 06:57 PM   #5 
     - bornagintaser  Parche   Sep-18-07 07:05 PM   #19 
     - Hint:  Oak2004   Sep-19-07 11:31 AM   #165 
  - Some day  OzarkDem   Sep-18-07 06:58 PM   #6 
  - What he-men we have here.  Bluebear   Sep-18-07 06:58 PM   #7 
  - Agree.....  marmar   Sep-18-07 07:02 PM   #11 
     - If it's the state of progressive Democrats as demonstrated here, we are truly fucked.  Bluebear   Sep-18-07 07:03 PM   #14 
     - Maybe they're not  zidzi   Sep-18-07 07:07 PM   #24 
     - I have learned a LOT about some people today.  Bluebear   Sep-18-07 07:11 PM   #32 
        - Bluebear, he SWUNG at a cop.  TomInTib   Sep-18-07 07:39 PM   #72 
        - Tommy - -  Bluebear   Sep-18-07 08:12 PM   #97 
        - Bullshit!@ "He swung at a cop."  RangerRK   Sep-19-07 12:39 AM   #127 
           - Did you watch the video?  TomInTib   Sep-19-07 02:15 AM   #130 
           - Maybe you could watch the clip.  TomInTib   Sep-19-07 11:37 AM   #166 
        - As have I  OzarkDem   Sep-18-07 07:43 PM   #75 
        - I have too  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Sep-18-07 08:09 PM   #94 
     - True that.....  marmar   Sep-18-07 07:09 PM   #29 
     - Did you SEE the video? It wasn't an excercise in free speech. It was a guy screaming his  renie408   Sep-18-07 07:13 PM   #35 
        - PEOPLE!! The right to free speech is not the right to act like an asshole.n/t  renie408   Sep-18-07 07:14 PM   #38 
        - of course it is-- that's uncomfortable, but it's true....  mike_c   Sep-18-07 07:34 PM   # 
        - So, I have a few opinions I would like to voice. If I go down to my local  renie408   Sep-18-07 08:05 PM   #91 
        - up to a point, yes, that's the way it SHOULD work....  mike_c   Sep-18-07 08:23 PM   #102 
        - The clips I have watched do not show him taking a swing at the cops  truedelphi   Sep-18-07 11:33 PM   #112 
        - So they should have just let him scream away and not let others speak in this public forum?  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Sep-18-07 08:14 PM   #98 
        - yes, of course....  mike_c   Sep-18-07 08:27 PM   #103 
           - Exactly. He was at the mike for only a minute and a half at the most  truedelphi   Sep-18-07 11:37 PM   #114 
           - This was not public property  Marrah_G   Sep-19-07 06:43 AM   #156 
        - Actually you are wrong  Marrah_G   Sep-19-07 06:40 AM   #155 
        - So speech is only free when..  girl gone mad   Sep-19-07 02:45 AM   #135 
        - His entire time at the mike was 1;36sec  zeemike   Sep-18-07 07:26 PM   #58 
           - How much time did other people have?  renie408   Sep-18-07 07:28 PM   #61 
           - He was trying to ask 3 questions  zeemike   Sep-18-07 07:44 PM   #77 
              - Um, of course he didn't get an answer  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Sep-18-07 08:20 PM   #100 
              - You're just speculating.  girl gone mad   Sep-19-07 02:50 AM   #136 
                 - If you watch the entire film it is very clear he wanted no answers  Marrah_G   Sep-19-07 06:45 AM   #157 
              - You've got it! We are being taught that these times  truedelphi   Sep-18-07 11:39 PM   #115 
           - he also cut in line, interrupted the previous questioner  onenote   Sep-18-07 11:59 PM   #123 
  - When is it free speech and when  renie408   Sep-18-07 07:07 PM   #23 
  - Did you hear him say "I want to stay to hear the answers?  zeemike   Sep-18-07 07:33 PM   #62 
  - Uh huh........  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Sep-18-07 08:23 PM   #101 
     - I can't believe what I am hearing here  zeemike   Sep-18-07 08:50 PM   #105 
     - I can't believe you think this kid even cares about politics  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Sep-18-07 09:03 PM   #108 
        - He's apparently read Palast  marekjed   Sep-19-07 11:08 AM   #163 
     - Again, that is pure speculation on your part. n/t  girl gone mad   Sep-19-07 02:51 AM   #137 
  - You keep repeating the same bullshit  OzarkDem   Sep-18-07 08:53 PM   #106 
  - And the people whho planned Bush's speeches during election 2004  truedelphi   Sep-18-07 11:41 PM   #116 
  - It is a relief but it is scary too n/t  truedelphi   Sep-18-07 11:34 PM   #113 
  - No, I doubt that he will.  Puglover   Sep-19-07 06:06 AM   #153 
     - Who else "needs" tasering  marekjed   Sep-19-07 11:09 AM   #164 
  - Less than zero.  cali   Sep-18-07 07:01 PM   #10 
  - Aha, the profit motive. What could be more American? Thanks for the post.  Redstone   Sep-18-07 07:03 PM   #15 
  - it's meaningless in itself, but ominous as a symptom of fascism....  mike_c   Sep-18-07 07:02 PM   #12 
  - Good post n/t  goodgd_yall   Sep-18-07 07:39 PM   #70 
  - Thanks at least I am not the only one that is troubled by this n/t  zeemike   Sep-18-07 07:51 PM   #81 
  - I have to admit that I'm stunned..  girl gone mad   Sep-19-07 02:58 AM   #138 
  - I'm surprised this is your opinion  eleny   Sep-18-07 07:03 PM   #13 
  - Do I haaaave toooo?  OhioBlues   Sep-18-07 07:04 PM   #17 
  - Can you try just a BIT harder? Come on, now; he's being compared to the kids who were shot deat at  Redstone   Sep-18-07 07:12 PM   #33 
     - The kids at Kent State were disruptive too Yelling and  zeemike   Sep-18-07 07:59 PM   #85 
        - Cue "The Price Is Right" lose music.......  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Sep-18-07 08:42 PM   #104 
        - No you are right it is not the same  zeemike   Sep-18-07 11:01 PM   #109 
        - They would say the same  OzarkDem   Sep-18-07 08:54 PM   #107 
  - Seriously. They tried to walk him out (completely fair) and he shoved a bunch of cops around.  slowry   Sep-18-07 07:04 PM   #18 
  - That's what you call asking Kerry a tough question, disrupting?  muntrv   Sep-18-07 07:05 PM   #20 
  - How about 5 questions, which he answered himself, in the most belligerent way possible? Cheers. n/t  slowry   Sep-18-07 07:07 PM   #27 
  - No, I call screaming at the pitch of your voice long after your time at the mike is over  renie408   Sep-18-07 07:09 PM   #30 
     - Do you, now? But according to many at DU, that makes him a First Amendment Hero!  Redstone   Sep-18-07 07:15 PM   #39 
        - Why do you sign you name on every post?  Bluebear   Sep-18-07 07:17 PM   #40 
           - He has the right to free speech? n/t  renie408   Sep-18-07 07:18 PM   #43 
           - lol touche  Bluebear   Sep-18-07 07:19 PM   #48 
           - I'm old. I used to write a lot of letters, pre-Internet, so I just kind of carried  Redstone   Sep-18-07 07:22 PM   #51 
              - gotcha thanks :)  Bluebear   Sep-18-07 07:23 PM   #52 
                 - You're welcome. A polite question, asked in a polite manner, usually leads to  Redstone   Sep-18-07 07:25 PM   #56 
                    - Your a nice boy.  Wilber_Stool   Sep-19-07 11:43 PM   #171 
  - wrong he had ONE valid point.  Capn Sunshine   Sep-18-07 07:06 PM   #21 
  - Sounds like he went in  libodem   Sep-18-07 07:07 PM   #26 
  - I'm doing pretty well, thanks for asking. Oh shit, you're my friend and I owe you the truth:  Redstone   Sep-18-07 07:19 PM   #45 
  - I'll bet he would have been disappointed if he had not been tasered.  Bobbieo   Sep-18-07 07:19 PM   #47 
     - Bobbieo! Let's leave politics aside for a moment, and allow me to say that I've been thinking  Redstone   Sep-18-07 07:33 PM   #63 
  - What just kills me on all of this whining is that he popped a cop.  TomInTib   Sep-18-07 07:12 PM   #34 
  - Seems like you're espousing civility, which doesn't always sell well  Redstone   Sep-18-07 07:24 PM   #53 
  - yeah they should send him to GITMO, too,  jonnyblitz   Sep-18-07 07:13 PM   #36 
  - Wow, yet again DU sucks  cgrindley   Sep-18-07 07:14 PM   #37 
  - Horse shit.  trumad   Sep-18-07 07:17 PM   #41 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-18-07 07:19 PM   #44 
     - So say you...LOL  trumad   Sep-18-07 07:24 PM   #54 
     - IT WASN'T POLITICAL DISCOURSE. It was a college kid on a tirade.  renie408   Sep-18-07 07:39 PM   #73 
     - Well, it sure looked like..  girl gone mad   Sep-19-07 03:03 AM   #139 
     - Yeah, it was  cgrindley   Sep-19-07 03:12 AM   #140 
     - Fuck with my kid asking a question at a forum?  OzarkDem   Sep-18-07 08:07 PM   #93 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-18-07 07:18 PM   #42 
  - The post may get deleted, but you sure as shit won't get tasered  cgrindley   Sep-18-07 07:19 PM   #46 
     - if she said it in public & then resisted efforts by police to get her to stop... yeah, she might  cryingshame   Sep-18-07 07:25 PM   # 
     - And I wouldn't whine about it later, because being an ADULT, I understand  renie408   Sep-18-07 07:26 PM   #59 
     - Here's the thing...  renie408   Sep-18-07 07:26 PM   #57 
        - They had no right to even drag him away  cgrindley   Sep-19-07 03:13 AM   #141 
        - OWIE OWIE OWIE OWIE  gmoney   Sep-19-07 10:11 AM   #159 
  - Here is something Andrew Meyer wrote when he worked at the school newspaper:  brentspeak   Sep-18-07 08:06 PM   #92 
     - Sometimes controversy is a good thing  OzarkDem   Sep-18-07 08:10 PM   #95 
     - TASE HIM!  baby_mouse   Sep-19-07 02:26 AM   #131 
     - yeah, as a matter of fact, I do  cgrindley   Sep-19-07 03:14 AM   #142 
  - You never fail to disappoint.  KAZ   Sep-18-07 07:21 PM   #49 
  - What the "PIGS" told him to do?  wtmusic   Sep-18-07 07:39 PM   #69 
  - Not really an anarchist. In fact I have many friends who are...  KAZ   Sep-18-07 07:59 PM   #84 
  - Even though I grew up in America in the 1950s and 1960s, I absolutely refuse to  Redstone   Sep-18-07 07:39 PM   #71 
     - You just did.  Warren Stupidity   Sep-19-07 05:59 AM   #149 
  - This is NOT about free speech. The kid was not taken out for WHAT he said, but for HOW he said it.  renie408   Sep-18-07 07:21 PM   #50 
  - "He got what he wanted, alright." Shocked??  Bluebear   Sep-18-07 07:25 PM   #55 
     - Eh. It was about five seconds of no damn fun in trade for drawing the attention  renie408   Sep-18-07 07:36 PM   #66 
        - My GOD you sound cold as ice! No offense.  Bluebear   Sep-18-07 07:37 PM   #67 
           - LOL  renie408   Sep-18-07 08:01 PM   #86 
  - For me it is not that I cry bitter tears for this young man it is more that  AuntPatsy   Sep-18-07 07:34 PM   #64 
  - Great post Auntie! I'm just not grokking this argument on DU. n/t  KAZ   Sep-18-07 07:39 PM   #68 
  - Even though your post opposes the ideas in mine, I have to tell you this: Well said.  Redstone   Sep-18-07 07:44 PM   #76 
  - A very sensible and astute post.  DemBones DemBones   Sep-19-07 06:00 AM   #150 
  - I would like to add that if one of my kids acted like that in public, they wouldn't have had  renie408   Sep-18-07 07:44 PM   #79 
  - Bad parent. BAD parent! I bet you wouldn't bail out one of your kids if he stole a car, either.  Redstone   Sep-18-07 07:49 PM   #80 
     - I would visit them every Sunday. n/t  renie408   Sep-18-07 08:03 PM   #87 
  - The same could be said about the Code Pinko's at the Petraeus hearings  Freddie Stubbs   Sep-18-07 07:57 PM   #83 
  - Well said.  brentspeak   Sep-18-07 08:03 PM   #88 
  - This is the neocon attempting to suppress the dems..  Xenotime   Sep-18-07 08:03 PM   #89 
  - Redstone, I salute you!  SeattleGirl   Sep-18-07 08:04 PM   #90 
  - Stop making a fool of yourself  OzarkDem   Sep-18-07 08:11 PM   #96 
  - even bitter little RNC provocateurs do not deserve to be  merh   Sep-18-07 11:05 PM   #110 
  - Hahahaha!! Redstone, you rock.  Vektor   Sep-18-07 11:43 PM   #117 
  - When you speak, Redstone, I listen  WildEyedLiberal   Sep-18-07 11:55 PM   #119 
  - And a lot of life experience to boot.  Vektor   Sep-19-07 12:12 AM   #124 
     - Word.  WildEyedLiberal   Sep-19-07 12:23 AM   #126 
  - Step out of line  Mythsaje   Sep-18-07 11:56 PM   #120 
  - Kinda agree with Redstone... don't forget Virginia Tech  gmoney   Sep-18-07 11:56 PM   #121 
  - VT?  Warren Stupidity   Sep-19-07 06:02 AM   #151 
  - If the police can't tell the difference between failing to react appropriately to an initial murder  Oak2004   Sep-19-07 12:02 PM   #168 
  - Disrupters should be tasered?  RangerRK   Sep-19-07 12:43 AM   #128 
  - YES! And filmed at the same time!  baby_mouse   Sep-19-07 02:27 AM   #132 
  - The dude was an attention hound  tkmorris   Sep-19-07 02:33 AM   #133 
  - Of only tasers had been invented..  girl gone mad   Sep-19-07 02:37 AM   #134 
  - Tasers could have stopped the "Boston Tea Party."  DemBones DemBones   Sep-19-07 06:02 AM   #152 
  - Historical perspective  Apollo11   Sep-19-07 03:36 AM   #145 
  - Listening to him and watching the video was painful.  Steerpike1   Sep-19-07 04:44 AM   #146 
  - Maybe it's the straw that breaks the camel's back  treestar   Sep-19-07 05:44 AM   #147 
  - Excessive force.  Warren Stupidity   Sep-19-07 05:58 AM   #148 
  - How about the belligerent asshole who said this:  girl gone mad   Sep-19-07 06:27 AM   #154 
  - Gee is there a middle ground here?  sendero   Sep-19-07 06:50 AM   #158 
  - WTF? This guy was handcuffed, and THEN tasered?  redqueen   Sep-19-07 10:12 AM   #160 
  - no. as I saw it, he was "tasered" and then handcuffed  onenote   Sep-19-07 11:17 PM   #170 
  - Context matters...  Drum   Sep-19-07 10:17 AM   #161 
  - Three words for you:  marekjed   Sep-19-07 11:03 AM   #162 
  - The cops were clearly out of line in this case. First, for going after  Vinca   Sep-19-07 11:47 AM   #167 
  - You have a keen sense of the ridiculous. n/t  wisteria   Sep-19-07 10:58 PM   #169 
 

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