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Tue Sep-18-07 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #91 |
| 102. up to a point, yes, that's the way it SHOULD work.... |
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Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 08:24 PM by mike_c
Look, I give public presentations just about every day. I know how crappy it is to have a jerk in the audience. But that's just part of the landscape in public forums.
Addressing your specific example: guy goes to a city council meeting and espresses his frustration loudly and angrily. The proper way to deal with that situation is to confront him civilly-- as long as he is not breaking the law, threatening anyone, etc, then he is being a nuisance, and skillful public speakers can deal with nuisances, even when they are utterly intractable-- you just have to let them say their piece, over and over if necessary, and if you acknowledge them you have a chance of salvaging the situation. So up to that point, I say yes, our nuisance is entirely within his rights and the matter does not need recourse to law enforcement. If no one attempts to use force, there will not be any need for the latter part of your scenario.
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| -Let's all cry bitter tears, weep and moan and rend our garments over some belligerent asshole |
Redstone |
Sep-18-07 06:50 PM |
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Interesting post re: possible motive |
TwilightZone |
Sep-18-07 06:55 PM |
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Well well, now, Our Hero. Let's man the barricades in his defense! |
Redstone |
Sep-18-07 07:01 PM |
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The guy was a troll. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Sep-18-07 06:56 PM |
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that's not the point |
subsuelo |
Sep-18-07 06:58 PM |
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It's a point that his arrest had nothing to do with silencing free speech or honest question. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Sep-18-07 07:03 PM |
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Jesus, here I am agreeing with you again. This was not some innocent kid trying |
Redstone |
Sep-18-07 07:07 PM |
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Here are some speculations |
question everything |
Sep-18-07 07:54 PM |
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So if I ask about Skull and Bones I somehow deserve tasering? |
cgrindley |
Sep-19-07 03:21 AM |
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Why was he asking about impeaching Bush then? n/t |
renie408 |
Sep-18-07 07:01 PM |
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He is not a freeper, at least not from anything I have seen. |
KaptBunnyPants |
Sep-18-07 07:06 PM |
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If this had happened at a Bush rally people would be up in arms. |
Bluebear |
Sep-18-07 07:07 PM |
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Kerry and Bush are two different people. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Sep-18-07 07:10 PM |
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if this had been done by a freeper at a clinton or obama rally, people would be applauding |
onenote |
Sep-18-07 11:54 PM |
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I sure as shit wouldn't |
cgrindley |
Sep-19-07 03:17 AM |
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Because both Kerry and the University bent over backwards |
karynnj |
Sep-19-07 12:48 AM |
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I'm calling him the moral equivalent. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Sep-18-07 07:09 PM |
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The cops gave the reason as being that he was inciting a riot |
truedelphi |
Sep-18-07 11:31 PM |
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not what he was arrested for |
onenote |
Sep-18-07 11:57 PM |
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The YouTube clip I watched had the police |
truedelphi |
Sep-19-07 12:14 AM |
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This week's sign that the apocalypse is upon us ... |
11 Bravo |
Sep-18-07 07:27 PM |
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Hey, how do you think I feel? I'm agreeing with BOTH of you! |
Redstone |
Sep-18-07 07:34 PM |
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Fuck! I'm thinking prescription drugs all around! |
11 Bravo |
Sep-18-07 07:41 PM |
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It's GOTTA be that fluoride in the drinking water! |
Redstone |
Sep-18-07 07:44 PM |
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I know |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Sep-18-07 08:16 PM |
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Yeehaw, shock him. |
Bluebear |
Sep-18-07 06:56 PM |
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I agree with you |
nevergiveup |
Sep-18-07 06:57 PM |
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How? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Sep-18-07 06:57 PM |
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bornagintaser |
Parche |
Sep-18-07 07:05 PM |
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Hint: |
Oak2004 |
Sep-19-07 11:31 AM |
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Some day |
OzarkDem |
Sep-18-07 06:58 PM |
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What he-men we have here. |
Bluebear |
Sep-18-07 06:58 PM |
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Agree..... |
marmar |
Sep-18-07 07:02 PM |
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If it's the state of progressive Democrats as demonstrated here, we are truly fucked. |
Bluebear |
Sep-18-07 07:03 PM |
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Maybe they're not |
zidzi |
Sep-18-07 07:07 PM |
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I have learned a LOT about some people today. |
Bluebear |
Sep-18-07 07:11 PM |
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Bluebear, he SWUNG at a cop. |
TomInTib |
Sep-18-07 07:39 PM |
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Tommy - - |
Bluebear |
Sep-18-07 08:12 PM |
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Bullshit!@ "He swung at a cop." |
RangerRK |
Sep-19-07 12:39 AM |
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Did you watch the video? |
TomInTib |
Sep-19-07 02:15 AM |
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Maybe you could watch the clip. |
TomInTib |
Sep-19-07 11:37 AM |
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As have I |
OzarkDem |
Sep-18-07 07:43 PM |
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I have too |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Sep-18-07 08:09 PM |
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True that..... |
marmar |
Sep-18-07 07:09 PM |
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Did you SEE the video? It wasn't an excercise in free speech. It was a guy screaming his |
renie408 |
Sep-18-07 07:13 PM |
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PEOPLE!! The right to free speech is not the right to act like an asshole.n/t |
renie408 |
Sep-18-07 07:14 PM |
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of course it is-- that's uncomfortable, but it's true.... |
mike_c |
Sep-18-07 07:34 PM |
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So, I have a few opinions I would like to voice. If I go down to my local |
renie408 |
Sep-18-07 08:05 PM |
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up to a point, yes, that's the way it SHOULD work.... |
mike_c |
Sep-18-07 08:23 PM |
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The clips I have watched do not show him taking a swing at the cops |
truedelphi |
Sep-18-07 11:33 PM |
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So they should have just let him scream away and not let others speak in this public forum? |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Sep-18-07 08:14 PM |
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yes, of course.... |
mike_c |
Sep-18-07 08:27 PM |
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Exactly. He was at the mike for only a minute and a half at the most |
truedelphi |
Sep-18-07 11:37 PM |
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This was not public property |
Marrah_G |
Sep-19-07 06:43 AM |
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Actually you are wrong |
Marrah_G |
Sep-19-07 06:40 AM |
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So speech is only free when.. |
girl gone mad |
Sep-19-07 02:45 AM |
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His entire time at the mike was 1;36sec |
zeemike |
Sep-18-07 07:26 PM |
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How much time did other people have? |
renie408 |
Sep-18-07 07:28 PM |
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He was trying to ask 3 questions |
zeemike |
Sep-18-07 07:44 PM |
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Um, of course he didn't get an answer |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Sep-18-07 08:20 PM |
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You're just speculating.
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girl gone mad |
Sep-19-07 02:50 AM |
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If you watch the entire film it is very clear he wanted no answers |
Marrah_G |
Sep-19-07 06:45 AM |
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You've got it! We are being taught that these times |
truedelphi |
Sep-18-07 11:39 PM |
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he also cut in line, interrupted the previous questioner |
onenote |
Sep-18-07 11:59 PM |
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When is it free speech and when |
renie408 |
Sep-18-07 07:07 PM |
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Did you hear him say "I want to stay to hear the answers? |
zeemike |
Sep-18-07 07:33 PM |
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Uh huh........ |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Sep-18-07 08:23 PM |
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I can't believe what I am hearing here |
zeemike |
Sep-18-07 08:50 PM |
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I can't believe you think this kid even cares about politics |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Sep-18-07 09:03 PM |
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He's apparently read Palast |
marekjed |
Sep-19-07 11:08 AM |
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Again, that is pure speculation on your part. n/t |
girl gone mad |
Sep-19-07 02:51 AM |
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You keep repeating the same bullshit |
OzarkDem |
Sep-18-07 08:53 PM |
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And the people whho planned Bush's speeches during election 2004 |
truedelphi |
Sep-18-07 11:41 PM |
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It is a relief but it is scary too n/t |
truedelphi |
Sep-18-07 11:34 PM |
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No, I doubt that he will. |
Puglover |
Sep-19-07 06:06 AM |
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Who else "needs" tasering |
marekjed |
Sep-19-07 11:09 AM |
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Less than zero. |
cali |
Sep-18-07 07:01 PM |
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Aha, the profit motive. What could be more American? Thanks for the post. |
Redstone |
Sep-18-07 07:03 PM |
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it's meaningless in itself, but ominous as a symptom of fascism.... |
mike_c |
Sep-18-07 07:02 PM |
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Good post n/t |
goodgd_yall |
Sep-18-07 07:39 PM |
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Thanks at least I am not the only one that is troubled by this n/t |
zeemike |
Sep-18-07 07:51 PM |
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I have to admit that I'm stunned.. |
girl gone mad |
Sep-19-07 02:58 AM |
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I'm surprised this is your opinion |
eleny |
Sep-18-07 07:03 PM |
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Do I haaaave toooo? |
OhioBlues |
Sep-18-07 07:04 PM |
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Can you try just a BIT harder? Come on, now; he's being compared to the kids who were shot deat at |
Redstone |
Sep-18-07 07:12 PM |
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The kids at Kent State were disruptive too Yelling and |
zeemike |
Sep-18-07 07:59 PM |
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Cue "The Price Is Right" lose music....... |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Sep-18-07 08:42 PM |
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No you are right it is not the same |
zeemike |
Sep-18-07 11:01 PM |
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They would say the same |
OzarkDem |
Sep-18-07 08:54 PM |
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Seriously. They tried to walk him out (completely fair) and he shoved a bunch of cops around. |
slowry |
Sep-18-07 07:04 PM |
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That's what you call asking Kerry a tough question, disrupting? |
muntrv |
Sep-18-07 07:05 PM |
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How about 5 questions, which he answered himself, in the most belligerent way possible? Cheers. n/t |
slowry |
Sep-18-07 07:07 PM |
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No, I call screaming at the pitch of your voice long after your time at the mike is over |
renie408 |
Sep-18-07 07:09 PM |
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Do you, now? But according to many at DU, that makes him a First Amendment Hero! |
Redstone |
Sep-18-07 07:15 PM |
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Why do you sign you name on every post? |
Bluebear |
Sep-18-07 07:17 PM |
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He has the right to free speech? n/t |
renie408 |
Sep-18-07 07:18 PM |
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lol touche |
Bluebear |
Sep-18-07 07:19 PM |
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I'm old. I used to write a lot of letters, pre-Internet, so I just kind of carried |
Redstone |
Sep-18-07 07:22 PM |
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gotcha thanks :) |
Bluebear |
Sep-18-07 07:23 PM |
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You're welcome. A polite question, asked in a polite manner, usually leads to |
Redstone |
Sep-18-07 07:25 PM |
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Your a nice boy. |
Wilber_Stool |
Sep-19-07 11:43 PM |
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wrong he had ONE valid point. |
Capn Sunshine |
Sep-18-07 07:06 PM |
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Sounds like he went in |
libodem |
Sep-18-07 07:07 PM |
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I'm doing pretty well, thanks for asking. Oh shit, you're my friend and I owe you the truth: |
Redstone |
Sep-18-07 07:19 PM |
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I'll bet he would have been disappointed if he had not been tasered. |
Bobbieo |
Sep-18-07 07:19 PM |
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Bobbieo! Let's leave politics aside for a moment, and allow me to say that I've been thinking |
Redstone |
Sep-18-07 07:33 PM |
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What just kills me on all of this whining is that he popped a cop. |
TomInTib |
Sep-18-07 07:12 PM |
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Seems like you're espousing civility, which doesn't always sell well |
Redstone |
Sep-18-07 07:24 PM |
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yeah they should send him to GITMO, too, |
jonnyblitz |
Sep-18-07 07:13 PM |
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Wow, yet again DU sucks |
cgrindley |
Sep-18-07 07:14 PM |
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Horse shit. |
trumad |
Sep-18-07 07:17 PM |
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Deleted message |
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Sep-18-07 07:19 PM |
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So say you...LOL |
trumad |
Sep-18-07 07:24 PM |
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IT WASN'T POLITICAL DISCOURSE. It was a college kid on a tirade. |
renie408 |
Sep-18-07 07:39 PM |
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Well, it sure looked like.. |
girl gone mad |
Sep-19-07 03:03 AM |
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Yeah, it was |
cgrindley |
Sep-19-07 03:12 AM |
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Fuck with my kid asking a question at a forum? |
OzarkDem |
Sep-18-07 08:07 PM |
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Deleted message |
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Sep-18-07 07:18 PM |
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The post may get deleted, but you sure as shit won't get tasered |
cgrindley |
Sep-18-07 07:19 PM |
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if she said it in public & then resisted efforts by police to get her to stop... yeah, she might |
cryingshame |
Sep-18-07 07:25 PM |
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And I wouldn't whine about it later, because being an ADULT, I understand |
renie408 |
Sep-18-07 07:26 PM |
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Here's the thing... |
renie408 |
Sep-18-07 07:26 PM |
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They had no right to even drag him away |
cgrindley |
Sep-19-07 03:13 AM |
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OWIE OWIE OWIE OWIE |
gmoney |
Sep-19-07 10:11 AM |
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Here is something Andrew Meyer wrote when he worked at the school newspaper: |
brentspeak |
Sep-18-07 08:06 PM |
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Sometimes controversy is a good thing |
OzarkDem |
Sep-18-07 08:10 PM |
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TASE HIM! |
baby_mouse |
Sep-19-07 02:26 AM |
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yeah, as a matter of fact, I do |
cgrindley |
Sep-19-07 03:14 AM |
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You never fail to disappoint. |
KAZ |
Sep-18-07 07:21 PM |
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What the "PIGS" told him to do? |
wtmusic |
Sep-18-07 07:39 PM |
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Not really an anarchist. In fact I have many friends who are... |
KAZ |
Sep-18-07 07:59 PM |
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Even though I grew up in America in the 1950s and 1960s, I absolutely refuse to |
Redstone |
Sep-18-07 07:39 PM |
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You just did. |
Warren Stupidity |
Sep-19-07 05:59 AM |
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This is NOT about free speech. The kid was not taken out for WHAT he said, but for HOW he said it. |
renie408 |
Sep-18-07 07:21 PM |
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"He got what he wanted, alright." Shocked?? |
Bluebear |
Sep-18-07 07:25 PM |
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Eh. It was about five seconds of no damn fun in trade for drawing the attention |
renie408 |
Sep-18-07 07:36 PM |
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My GOD you sound cold as ice! No offense. |
Bluebear |
Sep-18-07 07:37 PM |
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LOL |
renie408 |
Sep-18-07 08:01 PM |
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For me it is not that I cry bitter tears for this young man it is more that |
AuntPatsy |
Sep-18-07 07:34 PM |
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Great post Auntie! I'm just not grokking this argument on DU. n/t |
KAZ |
Sep-18-07 07:39 PM |
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Even though your post opposes the ideas in mine, I have to tell you this: Well said. |
Redstone |
Sep-18-07 07:44 PM |
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A very sensible and astute post. |
DemBones DemBones |
Sep-19-07 06:00 AM |
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I would like to add that if one of my kids acted like that in public, they wouldn't have had |
renie408 |
Sep-18-07 07:44 PM |
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Bad parent. BAD parent! I bet you wouldn't bail out one of your kids if he stole a car, either. |
Redstone |
Sep-18-07 07:49 PM |
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I would visit them every Sunday. n/t |
renie408 |
Sep-18-07 08:03 PM |
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The same could be said about the Code Pinko's at the Petraeus hearings |
Freddie Stubbs |
Sep-18-07 07:57 PM |
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Well said. |
brentspeak |
Sep-18-07 08:03 PM |
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This is the neocon attempting to suppress the dems.. |
Xenotime |
Sep-18-07 08:03 PM |
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Redstone, I salute you! |
SeattleGirl |
Sep-18-07 08:04 PM |
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Stop making a fool of yourself |
OzarkDem |
Sep-18-07 08:11 PM |
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even bitter little RNC provocateurs do not deserve to be |
merh |
Sep-18-07 11:05 PM |
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Hahahaha!! Redstone, you rock. |
Vektor |
Sep-18-07 11:43 PM |
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When you speak, Redstone, I listen |
WildEyedLiberal |
Sep-18-07 11:55 PM |
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And a lot of life experience to boot. |
Vektor |
Sep-19-07 12:12 AM |
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Word. |
WildEyedLiberal |
Sep-19-07 12:23 AM |
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Step out of line |
Mythsaje |
Sep-18-07 11:56 PM |
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Kinda agree with Redstone... don't forget Virginia Tech |
gmoney |
Sep-18-07 11:56 PM |
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VT? |
Warren Stupidity |
Sep-19-07 06:02 AM |
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If the police can't tell the difference between failing to react appropriately to an initial murder |
Oak2004 |
Sep-19-07 12:02 PM |
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Disrupters should be tasered? |
RangerRK |
Sep-19-07 12:43 AM |
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YES! And filmed at the same time! |
baby_mouse |
Sep-19-07 02:27 AM |
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The dude was an attention hound |
tkmorris |
Sep-19-07 02:33 AM |
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Of only tasers had been invented.. |
girl gone mad |
Sep-19-07 02:37 AM |
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Tasers could have stopped the "Boston Tea Party." |
DemBones DemBones |
Sep-19-07 06:02 AM |
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Historical perspective |
Apollo11 |
Sep-19-07 03:36 AM |
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Listening to him and watching the video was painful. |
Steerpike1 |
Sep-19-07 04:44 AM |
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Maybe it's the straw that breaks the camel's back |
treestar |
Sep-19-07 05:44 AM |
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Excessive force. |
Warren Stupidity |
Sep-19-07 05:58 AM |
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How about the belligerent asshole who said this: |
girl gone mad |
Sep-19-07 06:27 AM |
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Gee is there a middle ground here? |
sendero |
Sep-19-07 06:50 AM |
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WTF? This guy was handcuffed, and THEN tasered? |
redqueen |
Sep-19-07 10:12 AM |
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no. as I saw it, he was "tasered" and then handcuffed |
onenote |
Sep-19-07 11:17 PM |
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Context matters... |
Drum |
Sep-19-07 10:17 AM |
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Three words for you: |
marekjed |
Sep-19-07 11:03 AM |
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The cops were clearly out of line in this case. First, for going after |
Vinca |
Sep-19-07 11:47 AM |
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You have a keen sense of the ridiculous. n/t |
wisteria |
Sep-19-07 10:58 PM |
#169 |