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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:07 PM
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15. That is a VERY valid point, but I'm directing this post at the people who
complain that they will be *forced* to pay for health insurance. In Canada, if you make money, then you are contributing, regardless of how much money you make. In response to your original question, in Canada the federal/provincial governments are the sole payers.
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  -If you lived in Canada, you would HAVE to pay for MANDATORY health care Lirwin2  Sep-17-07 03:59 PM   #0 
  - Healthcare or insurance?  redqueen   Sep-17-07 04:01 PM   #1 
  - Insurance.  Telly Savalas   Sep-17-07 09:22 PM   #41 
     - Right, thanks... the "government-run" before "insurance" makes all the difference.  redqueen   Sep-18-07 11:03 AM   #57 
  - Don't say "MANDATORY health care" - you don't have that in Canada,  smalll   Sep-17-07 04:01 PM   #2 
  - "Mandatory health care" meaning, you HAVE to contribute  Lirwin2   Sep-17-07 04:03 PM   #7 
  - (I did guess that's what you might have meant.)  smalll   Sep-17-07 04:05 PM   #11 
  - Here in the U.S., we have to contribute to WAR....  theHandpuppet   Sep-17-07 04:13 PM   #21 
  - or be fined?  Macchendra   Sep-17-07 05:14 PM   #39 
  - Umm worse  Lirwin2   Sep-17-07 08:43 PM   #40 
  - And you can access the healthcare, If you need it..  annabanana   Sep-18-07 05:24 AM   #55 
  - To me, one of the above seems forced, the other seems like a requirement.  LanternWaste   Sep-18-07 05:50 PM   #76 
  - You forgot one small detail.  William769   Sep-17-07 04:02 PM   #3 
  - Dismiss it as a dislike of the person... that's what bush would do  Macchendra   Sep-17-07 05:11 PM   #37 
  - I think how much you currently owe for medical bills should be  Lars39   Sep-17-07 04:02 PM   #4 
  - BUT, if it is insurance rather than health care..does not matter how much or how little  angstlessk   Sep-17-07 04:03 PM   #5 
  - Except in Canada your taxes don't go up if your sick.  mainegreen   Sep-17-07 04:03 PM   #6 
  - Under Hillary's plan, insurance companies can no longer charge higher rates for those with  Lirwin2   Sep-17-07 04:04 PM   #9 
     - Where did it say that?  mainegreen   Sep-17-07 04:06 PM   #12 
     - I'll quote it off the document on her website:  Lirwin2   Sep-17-07 04:14 PM   #23 
        - This is what she says in her pdf  mainegreen   Sep-17-07 04:23 PM   #28 
     - Why waste billions on insurance companies as middle-men?  me b zola   Sep-17-07 04:16 PM   #24 
     - Oh I think we all know why.  redqueen   Sep-17-07 04:26 PM   #30 
     - Amen.  tsuki   Sep-17-07 04:27 PM   #32 
     - Insurance companies are the reason the US spends twice what France spends  Hieronymus   Sep-18-07 12:33 PM   #66 
     - She said they could not EXCLUDE you.. not that they would not charge you more  SoCalDem   Sep-18-07 11:06 AM   #59 
  - Does the Canadian Government administer,or do private insurance companies-just curious?  w8liftinglady   Sep-17-07 04:03 PM   #8 
  - That is a VERY valid point, but I'm directing this post at the people who  Lirwin2   Sep-17-07 04:07 PM   #15 
  - I think the fear is...  ncabot22   Sep-17-07 04:13 PM   #22 
     - I agree that insurance companies are the problem, however  Lirwin2   Sep-17-07 04:24 PM   #29 
        - That is *not* what DUers are complaining about!  ljm2002   Sep-18-07 01:19 AM   #52 
        - Edwards said last Sunday ...  sagesnow   Sep-18-07 01:19 PM   #74 
  - Privately owned hospitals are FUNDED by the government  lynyrd_skynyrd   Sep-17-07 04:09 PM   #16 
  - yes, it is pretty simple  leftchick   Sep-17-07 04:11 PM   #20 
  - It is run by each provincial government.  roamer65   Sep-17-07 04:09 PM   #17 
  - exactly -- the provincial governments issue plastic cards ...  Lisa   Sep-17-07 11:56 PM   #49 
  - The government takes care of health care in Canada  ncabot22   Sep-17-07 04:10 PM   #18 
  - Canada you have Health Care, whether you can afford it or not. The US has  RC   Sep-17-07 04:04 PM   #10 
  - I do not have a problem with that as long as the corporacrats aren't BLEEDING US DEAD.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Sep-17-07 04:06 PM   #13 
  - Hillary's plan would be far more costly than extending  Cleita   Sep-17-07 04:06 PM   #14 
  - You got it, she wants to keep her contributors fat and happy, at our expense,  greyhound1966   Sep-18-07 12:18 AM   #51 
  - Payroll tax = penalize employement  PDenton   Sep-18-07 04:11 AM   #53 
  - In 2003, in BC, I paid $72 per month for a family  cgrindley   Sep-17-07 04:11 PM   #19 
  - Information about Canadian income tax rates for 2003  slackmaster   Sep-17-07 04:39 PM   #35 
  - And they don't even get a world-dominating military for it  treestar   Sep-17-07 11:16 PM   #46 
  - another BCer here -- there are also subsidies available for those MSP premiums  Lisa   Sep-17-07 11:53 PM   #48 
  - What if you have no earned income? No job? Then what?  Perragrande   Sep-18-07 12:07 AM   #50 
     - Hillary has said that she will release more details regarding people who can't afford it  Lirwin2   Sep-18-07 12:28 PM   #61 
     - Well, you don't pay at all if you make less than 20k  cgrindley   Sep-18-07 05:43 PM   #75 
  - Our country already pays tons in healthcare  gollygee   Sep-17-07 04:18 PM   #25 
  - My OP isn't necessarily about cost, it's about the hypocracy of those who want "choice"  Lirwin2   Sep-17-07 10:27 PM   #45 
  - Shucks.  Forrest Greene   Sep-17-07 04:19 PM   #26 
  - Yeah, but you'd have to pay MUCH LESS  depakid   Sep-17-07 04:21 PM   #27 
  - True, but you can't expect to reform the system overnight  Lirwin2   Sep-17-07 09:27 PM   #43 
  - just the reduction of paperwork  awoke_in_2003   Sep-18-07 05:16 AM   #54 
  - But we'd know how much we're paying  sandnsea   Sep-17-07 04:26 PM   #31 
  - Well, actually, in Canada you're not shown how much of your income tax goes directly to health care  Lirwin2   Sep-17-07 04:28 PM   #33 
     - Well that's not what I said  sandnsea   Sep-17-07 04:34 PM   #34 
        - How much you pay will obviousley depend on many factors  Lirwin2   Sep-17-07 09:26 PM   #42 
  - Where is HRC's plan?  SimpleTrend   Sep-17-07 05:01 PM   #36 
  - yeah--and it's a lot less than insurance premiums here in the states.  librechik   Sep-17-07 05:13 PM   #38 
  - Are your deducts and co-pays also based on how much you can pay? n/t  Solon   Sep-17-07 10:20 PM   #44 
  - (aside) All employees and employers pay into Medicare today. 1.45% of wages, each.  pinto   Sep-17-07 11:36 PM   #47 
  - Same here in the UK. We all pay in.  yibbehobba   Sep-18-07 05:42 AM   #56 
  - You all pay in, but it's not private, for-profit insurance companies is it?  redqueen   Sep-18-07 11:04 AM   #58 
     - The topic isn't about the morality of insurance companies, it's about  Lirwin2   Sep-18-07 12:27 PM   #60 
        - You're being intentionally disingenuous. I hope.  redqueen   Sep-18-07 12:29 PM   #62 
           - Of course they are bitching about having to pay  Lirwin2   Sep-18-07 12:31 PM   #64 
              - A little help for you... check post 23 for clarification.  redqueen   Sep-18-07 12:35 PM   # 
                 - That one comment doesn't prove that people aren't bitching about having to contribute  Lirwin2   Sep-18-07 12:39 PM   #70 
                    - That was the person who posted the OP.  redqueen   Sep-18-07 12:43 PM   #72 
  - what if ur unemployed and submit no taxes?  iamthebandfanman   Sep-18-07 12:30 PM   #63 
  - Hillary has stated that she will be releasing more details soon, focusing on that question  Lirwin2   Sep-18-07 12:32 PM   #65 
  - the mega rich should pay for you  bambino   Sep-18-07 12:42 PM   #71 
     - No, under Clinton's system, WE pay THEM!  redqueen   Sep-18-07 12:44 PM   #73 
  - having lived in Canada, they seemed to have a nice health system  bambino   Sep-18-07 12:33 PM   #67 
  - As a Canadian, I agree  Lirwin2   Sep-18-07 12:35 PM   #69 
  - Right now you have to pay through taxes, and you pay more.  Kelly Rupert   Sep-18-07 12:35 PM   #68 
 

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