| 46. I'm "active" (-as in GOTV) base and I refuse to support her and her corporatism. |
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| -I think it is the 'base' of the Democratic party who is now supporting Hillary Clinton |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 08:51 AM |
#0 |
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I can not support Hillary since she supports shipping my job to India |
Larkspur |
Sep-17-07 08:55 AM |
#1 |
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Okay, vote for Giuliani or Romney. nt |
MookieWilson |
Sep-17-07 08:57 AM |
#2 |
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Non sequitur. n/t |
antigop |
Sep-17-07 08:58 AM |
#3 |
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I'll vote Socialist or Green Party |
Larkspur |
Sep-17-07 09:16 AM |
#20 |
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then don't complain to us if the GOP win another term |
Netbeavis |
Sep-17-07 09:23 AM |
#24 |
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Touche. |
Beelzebud |
Sep-17-07 09:48 AM |
#39 |
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I don't know how to credit folks for sitting on their hands if we lose the general |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 09:57 AM |
#42 |
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Hillary as nominee makes it a lose-lose situation for me |
Larkspur |
Sep-17-07 09:58 AM |
#45 |
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I liked Bill Clinton, but the most common refrain that I heard |
JDPriestly |
Sep-17-07 10:49 AM |
#63 |
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I don't think we can underestimate the effect of the Democrats |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 10:54 AM |
#66 |
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No, but we can certainly overestimate the effect. n/t |
Truth2Tell |
Sep-18-07 11:41 AM |
#154 |
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Edwards voted like a Republican on many issues when he was a senator. n/t |
Clark2008 |
Sep-17-07 11:08 AM |
#71 |
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Shh! People don't like to be reminded of his real record! |
TornadoTN |
Sep-17-07 01:21 PM |
#94 |
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Clark WAS a republican |
mitchtv |
Sep-18-07 02:26 PM |
#161 |
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Vote Kucinich in the primaries for a positive change for the people! |
superkia |
Sep-17-07 02:03 PM |
#104 |
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Right on, JDPriestly. |
CANDO |
Sep-17-07 04:56 PM |
#130 |
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In all honesty |
leftynyc |
Sep-19-07 01:42 PM |
#195 |
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I totally agree..... |
liberalnurse |
Sep-17-07 02:21 PM |
#114 |
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She has not beaten the Repuke attacks all her life |
Larkspur |
Sep-17-07 04:48 PM |
#128 |
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Hillary is a Republican. |
vssmith |
Sep-17-07 02:46 PM |
#119 |
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You have never heard of coalition breaking? |
tabasco |
Sep-17-07 11:14 AM |
#75 |
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Give people a viable choice, and you won't have to worry about that. |
Beelzebud |
Sep-17-07 11:28 AM |
#79 |
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If we on the left are truly the tiny splinter |
Hydra |
Sep-17-07 02:07 PM |
#106 |
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what should happen....and I put that in quotes |
Netbeavis |
Sep-17-07 12:14 PM |
#83 |
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I live in CT. If Hillary can't win CT in the GE then she is doomed in the rest of the states |
Larkspur |
Sep-17-07 09:58 AM |
#44 |
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You also can't claim that you're candidate is the best one, then blame |
Marr |
Sep-17-07 10:25 AM |
#54 |
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Yes, you can |
Echos Myron |
Sep-19-07 10:44 AM |
#186 |
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just as convoluted as it can be |
bigtree |
Sep-19-07 10:58 AM |
#187 |
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Look |
Echos Myron |
Sep-19-07 03:44 PM |
#196 |
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what good does that support do if it just sits by in the general election |
bigtree |
Sep-19-07 04:20 PM |
#197 |
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I appreciate your civility |
Echos Myron |
Sep-19-07 09:31 PM |
#198 |
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Oh now, no you won't. |
liberalnurse |
Sep-17-07 02:18 PM |
#113 |
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You'd Really Do Something That Monumentally Stupid? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Sep-18-07 11:51 AM |
#156 |
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Greens: |
mitchtv |
Sep-18-07 02:24 PM |
#160 |
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If Giuliani or Romney ran as Democrats would you vote for them? |
Radical Activist |
Sep-19-07 11:40 AM |
#190 |
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The base I know is voting for Edwards. It's an easy choice. A no brainer. |
King Coal |
Sep-17-07 11:05 AM |
#70 |
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I think he also has a sizable amount of support from the folks I'm talking about |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 11:09 AM |
#72 |
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Seems like she is the media's choice. I don't think the Dem base |
The Wielding Truth |
Sep-17-07 11:16 AM |
#76 |
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I Think It's People Who Either Don't Have The Time Or Those Who |
ChiciB1 |
Sep-17-07 09:02 AM |
#4 |
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I agree that our group here is much more ambitious about advancing their concerns |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 09:08 AM |
#11 |
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You are supposed to be doing due-diligence to get the appropriate nominee elected |
TheBorealAvenger |
Sep-17-07 09:12 AM |
#17 |
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That's why I took pains to stress the general election |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 09:19 AM |
#21 |
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I think the opposite. |
jobycom |
Sep-17-07 09:36 AM |
#33 |
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that was a very well fleshed-out perspective |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 09:42 AM |
#36 |
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I think some are misguided |
sandnsea |
Sep-17-07 10:28 AM |
#57 |
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The reasons I hear associated with support for Sen. Clinton's candidacy |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 10:41 AM |
#61 |
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the party isn't mired in the past |
sandnsea |
Sep-17-07 11:12 AM |
#73 |
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of course, that isn't my view |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 11:17 AM |
#77 |
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Democrats are better than Republicans |
sandnsea |
Sep-17-07 11:27 AM |
#78 |
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Of course some are misguided! The debate is over which ones! |
jobycom |
Sep-17-07 11:36 AM |
#80 |
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lol, that's funny |
sandnsea |
Sep-17-07 04:14 PM |
#127 |
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I think more people are |
waiting for hope |
Sep-17-07 03:08 PM |
#125 |
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Keep your powder dry!! |
pocoloco |
Sep-17-07 09:02 AM |
#5 |
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You are confusing the Base with Sheep. |
Le Taz Hot |
Sep-17-07 09:03 AM |
#6 |
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Also, Clinton with the party. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Sep-17-07 09:07 AM |
#10 |
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substitute 'the eventual nominee' for Clinton |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 09:10 AM |
#14 |
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I can remember years ago, |
H2O Man |
Sep-17-07 10:52 AM |
#65 |
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I did (deliberately) set up Sen. Clinton as the prime example of my belief |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 11:00 AM |
#67 |
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The DLC ARE sheep. |
Double T |
Sep-17-07 09:09 AM |
#12 |
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perhaps, in an extremely biased and subjective view |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 09:14 AM |
#19 |
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Not at all. |
Le Taz Hot |
Sep-17-07 09:32 AM |
#30 |
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that 'dogma' would only apply if one actually didn't believe the Democratic party stood for them |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 09:47 AM |
#37 |
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Are your concerns compatible with those of DLC? |
notsodumbhillbilly |
Sep-17-07 10:27 AM |
#56 |
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no. not from what folks here present as the philosophy and intentions of the DLC |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 10:48 AM |
#62 |
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...from what folks *here* present...? |
notsodumbhillbilly |
Sep-17-07 11:58 AM |
#82 |
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right. just like that. |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 12:24 PM |
#84 |
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Oh, Gee |
Hydra |
Sep-17-07 02:15 PM |
#111 |
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I love how you put that comment in quotes as if I those were my words |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 07:14 PM |
#132 |
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"The Base" translates to "Al Qaeda" |
TahitiNut |
Sep-18-07 02:31 PM |
#163 |
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Considering the polls, somebody is obviously supporting her. |
TwilightZone |
Sep-17-07 09:05 AM |
#7 |
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"DU is not representative of reality"?? Speak for yourself |
TheBorealAvenger |
Sep-17-07 09:09 AM |
#13 |
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DU is representative of reality? Yes, and Dennis Kucinich is president. |
TwilightZone |
Sep-17-07 09:13 AM |
#18 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-17-07 10:19 AM |
#50 |
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Ah, name-calling. Feel better about yourself? |
TwilightZone |
Sep-17-07 10:31 AM |
#59 |
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Again, poll numbers do not necessarily equal support. |
Dawgs |
Sep-17-07 09:20 AM |
#22 |
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Sorry, but "name recognition" isn't a valid excuse. |
TwilightZone |
Sep-17-07 09:27 AM |
#27 |
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Wrong. |
Dawgs |
Sep-17-07 12:51 PM |
#91 |
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If that's what you want to believe. |
TwilightZone |
Sep-17-07 01:15 PM |
#92 |
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So, you choose to ignore what I said because it doesn't fit your opinion. |
Dawgs |
Sep-17-07 03:01 PM |
#123 |
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true. |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 09:28 AM |
#28 |
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Wow! Someone who understands how polls, etc. work. That felt GOOD! nt |
MookieWilson |
Sep-17-07 10:13 AM |
#48 |
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If You Mean By Base Rank And File Dems And Not Activists I Tend To Agree |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Sep-17-07 09:05 AM |
#8 |
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My loathing for Hillary has nothing to do with "threatening to abandon our nominee" |
TheBorealAvenger |
Sep-17-07 09:06 AM |
#9 |
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that's why I led the post with 'I think' |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 09:10 AM |
#15 |
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Voters Will Speak Soon |
KharmaTrain |
Sep-17-07 09:11 AM |
#16 |
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They don't deserve it and they are not the base. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Sep-17-07 09:22 AM |
#23 |
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I table for Edwards about once a week, and the Hillary supporters |
JDPriestly |
Sep-17-07 09:23 AM |
#25 |
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that has to be an anomaly. Hillary supporters are republicans? |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 09:25 AM |
#26 |
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Yes. Those are the people I have heard talk about Hillary. |
JDPriestly |
Sep-17-07 10:23 AM |
#51 |
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complete opposite, in my experience |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 10:28 AM |
#58 |
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There seems to be a regional difference. |
JDPriestly |
Sep-17-07 01:18 PM |
#93 |
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The west would be a monster |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 01:47 PM |
#97 |
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Oregon has a liberal west and a conservative east. |
JDPriestly |
Sep-17-07 08:05 PM |
#144 |
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I completely agree about the regional thing. |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Sep-17-07 02:28 PM |
#116 |
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a list of apolitical dems and/or repubs for Clinton |
onenote |
Sep-17-07 09:37 AM |
#34 |
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Alot of people want Hillary |
PDenton |
Sep-18-07 02:20 PM |
#159 |
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"I'm thinking of voters who can be counted on voting for our Democratic nominee |
Totally Committed |
Sep-17-07 09:29 AM |
#29 |
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the system does corral us into the two choices |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 09:36 AM |
#32 |
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Party "purists" willing to accept anyone the bosses select. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Sep-17-07 09:33 AM |
#31 |
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the 'deciding' by the 'bosses' may influence voters |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 09:39 AM |
#35 |
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Which is one reason there should be a national primary and limited campaigns. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Sep-17-07 09:58 AM |
#43 |
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Trying to divide the base only hurts the party in the end.HRC |
OHdem10 |
Sep-17-07 09:47 AM |
#38 |
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I'm referring to support for the eventual nominee |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 09:51 AM |
#40 |
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Where I am, the most fervent Clinton supporters tend to be older women |
thecatburgler |
Sep-17-07 09:56 AM |
#41 |
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That would explain a lot. I mostly meet young people with |
JDPriestly |
Sep-17-07 10:24 AM |
#52 |
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I'm "active" (-as in GOTV) base and I refuse to support her and her corporatism. |
mod mom |
Sep-17-07 10:03 AM |
#46 |
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right. I really didn't mean to characterize all of the party base as Clinton supporters |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 10:13 AM |
#47 |
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I have voted for Democrats 100% of the time in 100% of the elections since 1976 |
leftofthedial |
Sep-17-07 10:14 AM |
#49 |
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but they will have a base |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 10:25 AM |
#53 |
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Pragamatism has sunk my country into an abyss of hell. |
mmonk |
Sep-17-07 10:26 AM |
#55 |
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I don't view myself as akin to republicans in ANY way |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 11:03 AM |
#69 |
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No you're certainly not. You're a dedicated democrat. |
mmonk |
Sep-17-07 07:19 PM |
#135 |
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My wife is what you would consider the Democratic base. |
Larry Ogg |
Sep-17-07 10:38 AM |
#60 |
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I really don't believe that 'uninformed' best describes the 'base' I'm talking about |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 10:51 AM |
#64 |
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You gave very little descriptive of a democratic base that would support your view other than, |
Larry Ogg |
Sep-17-07 01:52 PM |
#98 |
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well, let me break my impression of a base down for you |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 07:17 PM |
#133 |
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The base is a lot more ideologically varied than many would like to admit. |
TwilightZone |
Sep-17-07 11:02 AM |
#68 |
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agreed |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 11:13 AM |
#74 |
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When presented with a choice between a real Republican.. |
The Vinyl Ripper |
Sep-17-07 11:49 AM |
#81 |
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Yes, just like in '06, when voters picked all those Republicans. |
TwilightZone |
Sep-17-07 12:45 PM |
#89 |
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What makes me think their voting patterns will change? |
The Vinyl Ripper |
Sep-17-07 01:34 PM |
#95 |
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You're giving the voting public too much credit. |
TwilightZone |
Sep-17-07 01:38 PM |
#96 |
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The swing in sheer numbers of voters wasn't really all *that* large.. |
The Vinyl Ripper |
Sep-17-07 01:54 PM |
#99 |
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See #101 |
TwilightZone |
Sep-17-07 01:55 PM |
#102 |
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Generic Dem is up 16 points on Generic Rep. |
TwilightZone |
Sep-17-07 01:55 PM |
#101 |
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It is the *motivated* who will come out to vote.. |
The Vinyl Ripper |
Sep-17-07 02:04 PM |
#105 |
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Gee, I guess anecdotal evidence trumps all. |
TwilightZone |
Sep-17-07 02:08 PM |
#107 |
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So you disagree that it is the motivated who vote? n/t |
The Vinyl Ripper |
Sep-17-07 02:09 PM |
#108 |
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Democrats were plenty motivated in '06. Nothing has changed. |
TwilightZone |
Sep-17-07 02:13 PM |
#110 |
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Inexplicable? |
The Vinyl Ripper |
Sep-17-07 02:24 PM |
#115 |
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Yes, that explains why Hillary is doing so well in head-to-head polls and why we did so well in '06. |
TwilightZone |
Sep-17-07 02:31 PM |
#117 |
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Hillary WILL motivate many Dems.... |
bvar22 |
Sep-17-07 04:13 PM |
#126 |
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I agree, and I think that '06 was an example. |
TwilightZone |
Sep-17-07 12:46 PM |
#90 |
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Correct. Sadly, these fairweather friends of the Dem party |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Sep-17-07 12:30 PM |
#85 |
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I'm about as far as it's possible to be... |
The Vinyl Ripper |
Sep-17-07 12:32 PM |
#86 |
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The Clintons are well off, not me |
Larkspur |
Sep-17-07 04:50 PM |
#129 |
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These are the same people who said Gore was the same as Bush |
LeftCoast |
Sep-17-07 12:34 PM |
#87 |
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Agreed. I'm sure President Gore would have nominated John Roberts to the SC. |
TwilightZone |
Sep-17-07 12:41 PM |
#88 |
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Who are the same? The people who don't support Hillary in the Primaries? |
impeachdubya |
Sep-17-07 03:01 PM |
#122 |
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I think you are very wrong. |
robinlynne |
Sep-17-07 01:55 PM |
#100 |
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Your premise is faulty |
Hydra |
Sep-17-07 02:02 PM |
#103 |
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make my day. |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 07:18 PM |
#134 |
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She's not my first choice, but I'll vote for her. |
smiley_glad_hands |
Sep-17-07 02:12 PM |
#109 |
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my hubby was a Repub until Clinton's 2nd term, he is now an avowed Indie and won't vote in any |
AZDemDist6 |
Sep-17-07 02:17 PM |
#112 |
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I'm The Base And I Don't Support Hillary - Never Would She Voted For Bush's War |
lostnotforgotten |
Sep-17-07 02:36 PM |
#118 |
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I think if you end up not supporting the nominee you can't really be considered a 'base' of support |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 07:20 PM |
#136 |
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Maybe But I Am A Progressive Independent These Days |
lostnotforgotten |
Sep-17-07 07:58 PM |
#143 |
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What a silly little post. |
The Stranger |
Sep-17-07 02:58 PM |
#120 |
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do what you want. refuse to vote for the Democratic nominee |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 07:23 PM |
#138 |
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Maybe you need to spend a little time in politics. |
The Stranger |
Sep-18-07 09:11 AM |
#151 |
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maybe you need to be less condescending about someone you know absolutely NOTHING about |
bigtree |
Sep-18-07 09:26 AM |
#152 |
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Instead of trying to change who is actually the base of the party because they won't vote for your |
The Stranger |
Sep-18-07 04:44 PM |
#164 |
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How DARE YOU tell us who we need to support in the Primaries to be "real" democrats. |
impeachdubya |
Sep-17-07 02:59 PM |
#121 |
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I frickin said 'general' about a dozen times |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 07:22 PM |
#137 |
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Absolutely. And since we don't have a nominee, yet... |
impeachdubya |
Sep-17-07 08:48 PM |
#146 |
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I really haven't begun to support the Clinton campaign |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 09:27 PM |
#147 |
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I will enthusiastically support our nominee, too. Actually, I'm reconciling myself more with the |
impeachdubya |
Sep-18-07 02:09 PM |
#157 |
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At this point it's all about name recognition, nothing more. |
greyhound1966 |
Sep-17-07 03:03 PM |
#124 |
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Party First |
Everybody |
Sep-17-07 05:50 PM |
#131 |
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in the general election, it does matter whether we support the Democratic candidate |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 07:25 PM |
#139 |
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Myself, I'm a little sick of the party telling me who I have to vote for! |
B Calm |
Sep-17-07 07:26 PM |
#140 |
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Well, excuuuuuuuuse me! I'm 57 years old and I have voted for nothing but Democrats my whole voting |
scarletwoman |
Sep-17-07 07:36 PM |
#141 |
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I'm sorry to hear that a nomination of Sen. Clinton will cause you to abandon the party |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 07:54 PM |
#142 |
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Well, of course I will be voting for Kucinich in the Primary. I'm not abandoning the Democratic |
scarletwoman |
Sep-17-07 08:24 PM |
#145 |
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yet, |
bigtree |
Sep-17-07 09:30 PM |
#148 |
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I recognize that. Since it's going to happen no matter which way I vote, the only way I can |
scarletwoman |
Sep-17-07 10:00 PM |
#149 |
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don't forget |
bigtree |
Sep-18-07 06:51 AM |
#150 |
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Thank you |
mycritters2 |
Sep-18-07 11:48 AM |
#155 |
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I "actually vote and support Democrats consistently enough to be called the party's base" and |
RubyDuby in GA |
Sep-18-07 11:30 AM |
#153 |
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If you abandon the party nominee this time around |
bigtree |
Sep-18-07 06:54 PM |
#165 |
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Nowhere ever did I say that I wouldn't vote for the eventual nominee. I simply stated that you shou |
RubyDuby in GA |
Sep-19-07 11:36 AM |
#188 |
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I might consider voting for hillary... |
PDenton |
Sep-18-07 02:16 PM |
#158 |
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Don't forget the legions of Democrats who get swept into power and authority |
bigtree |
Sep-18-07 06:56 PM |
#166 |
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suppose that doesn't happen, though |
PDenton |
Sep-19-07 01:24 AM |
#170 |
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I'm referring to judgeships, Cabinet positions and their employ, agency appointments |
bigtree |
Sep-19-07 07:43 AM |
#174 |
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I think she's winning the Reagan democrat vote. |
XemaSab |
Sep-18-07 02:28 PM |
#162 |
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that's a good thing |
bigtree |
Sep-18-07 07:14 PM |
#167 |
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Notsomuch, no. |
XemaSab |
Sep-19-07 12:08 AM |
#168 |
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I've never been so vain as to take my ball home because I haven't been represented enough |
bigtree |
Sep-19-07 07:24 AM |
#172 |
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I think you are wrong. |
losthills |
Sep-19-07 12:15 AM |
#169 |
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From what I'm seeing of her healthcare plan |
Mythsaje |
Sep-19-07 01:26 AM |
#171 |
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she will have support from Democrats |
bigtree |
Sep-19-07 07:30 AM |
#173 |
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Without yet reading the thread, let me say bullshit |
lastliberalintexas |
Sep-19-07 07:57 AM |
#175 |
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"without reading the thread" |
bigtree |
Sep-19-07 08:01 AM |
#176 |
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Which means I read your OP but not the replies |
lastliberalintexas |
Sep-19-07 08:54 AM |
#180 |
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you do realize that there are two days of questions, responses, and my own answers on this thread? |
bigtree |
Sep-19-07 08:59 AM |
#182 |
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Yes, that I am reading now |
lastliberalintexas |
Sep-19-07 09:11 AM |
#183 |
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"I think" I believe" has preceded almost all of my comments. That's not "presenting as fact" |
bigtree |
Sep-19-07 09:24 AM |
#184 |
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I have slogged through the whole thread... |
clixtox |
Sep-19-07 10:02 AM |
#185 |
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I have consistently, always voted D for 43 years but would never vote for HRC |
ima_sinnic |
Sep-19-07 08:03 AM |
#177 |
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If we don't get your vote in the general, you will be a 'former' base member |
bigtree |
Sep-19-07 08:24 AM |
#178 |
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she is not a "Democrat," she is a corporacrat |
ima_sinnic |
Sep-19-07 08:51 AM |
#179 |
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I think party loyalty is important in elevating our coalition of concerns and opposition |
bigtree |
Sep-19-07 08:57 AM |
#181 |
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So she has the support of those with undue respect for authority and the establishment. |
Radical Activist |
Sep-19-07 11:38 AM |
#189 |
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I don't agree with that. |
bigtree |
Sep-19-07 12:12 PM |
#192 |
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If the establishment doesn't exist then who is running the party? |
Radical Activist |
Sep-19-07 12:42 PM |
#193 |
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of course it 'exists' |
bigtree |
Sep-19-07 01:30 PM |
#194 |
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ANY democrat should win the general election |
iamthebandfanman |
Sep-19-07 11:42 AM |
#191 |
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