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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 07:43 AM
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99. Censorship need not be imposed by the government
Red Channels wasn't put out by the Government for example - the Hollywood Blacklist wasn't imposed by the Government, it was implemented by cowardly studio executives who wanted to avoid entangling with the government. In many areas it was the chambers of commerces that kept track of what businesses were not communist.

Also there's a bit of a switcheroo you are pulling isn't there? The argument isn't about you being required to listen to Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'Reilly. The issue is whether or not to punish Bruce Willis or the makers of 24 for being conservative (while, incidentally, looking down your noses at those who patronize their films/shows). More to the point there have been many threads arguing that those of us who choose to patronize such shows are somehow bad or lack a conscience.

Are you advocating that a good liberal should not patronize shows with known conservatives working at them? Are other liberals here at DU advocating that? The answer to both questions seems to be yes (although you might clarify).

Bryant
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  -The, "I won't watch a show/movie because a Liberal or Conservative is involved" is just silly. trumad  Feb-11-07 07:54 AM   #0 
  - I don't understand why some people are obsessed with 24  PLF   Feb-11-07 08:00 AM   #1 
  - Isn't everything Propaganda?  trumad   Feb-11-07 08:02 AM   #2 
     - The Gilmore Girls is propaganda?  nathan hale   Feb-11-07 08:04 AM   #3 
     - Yes  JackRiddler   Feb-11-07 08:33 AM   #11 
     - You've got a point, but  nathan hale   Feb-11-07 03:30 PM   #26 
     - And all "entertainment" has at its core a worldview/set of values  deutsey   Feb-12-07 11:01 AM   #56 
     - No "Gilmore Girls' isnt' propaganda  geardaddy   Feb-11-07 04:53 PM   #30 
     - Have you ever heard someone talk about  Cerridwen   Feb-12-07 08:40 AM   #43 
     - If Lauren Graham is the propagandist, then I'm buying!  RGBolen   Feb-12-07 08:43 AM   #44 
     - Any Right Winger would think so  Lorien   Feb-12-07 09:14 AM   #46 
     - No, not even in the loosest sense of the word.  PLF   Feb-11-07 11:40 AM   #22 
        - 'loosest sense of the word' is exactly what makes propaganda...  Gabi Hayes   Feb-11-07 02:27 PM   #24 
           - and that's why I don't watch tv  PLF   Feb-11-07 04:31 PM   #27 
  - you are so far off  Wetzelbill   Feb-11-07 08:05 AM   #4 
  - Bit of a stretch on Stein...LOL  trumad   Feb-11-07 08:33 AM   #12 
  - People spend their money in support of whomever they wish but I make a choice  Toots   Feb-11-07 08:09 AM   #5 
  - So no bruce willis movies?  trumad   Feb-11-07 08:35 AM   #13 
     - Sad but true  Toots   Feb-11-07 08:48 AM   #15 
     - Stiller?  redqueen   Feb-12-07 11:19 AM   #60 
        - Oops I goofed..it ain't so, I was meaning Ben Stein not Ben Stiller  Toots   Feb-12-07 06:18 PM   #93 
           - Nah... a perfectly understandable mistake...  redqueen   Feb-13-07 10:27 AM   #102 
     - I guess you let the Saudi Royals off the hook  stanwyck   Feb-12-07 09:37 AM   #50 
  - Well, your reasons for doing things are silly. - n/t  porphyrian   Feb-11-07 08:13 AM   #6 
  - i cant tolerate john wayne movies knowing what he did during the red scare.  bullimiami   Feb-11-07 08:14 AM   #7 
  - It depends if the show is promoting  mmonk   Feb-11-07 08:15 AM   #8 
  - If the movie is good and doesn't push an agenda so what who is in it.  illinoisprogressive   Feb-11-07 08:17 AM   #9 
  - In the case of 24 it has a clear agenda  JackRiddler   Feb-11-07 08:31 AM   #10 
  - BUT we are the bad guys  trumad   Feb-11-07 08:36 AM   #14 
  - Who's we?  JackRiddler   Feb-11-07 10:36 AM   #18 
     - I'm saying that we're the ones still controlling the actions of the bad guys  trumad   Feb-11-07 02:22 PM   #23 
  - I don't think the agenda is that clear  Stuckinthebush   Feb-12-07 08:32 AM   #41 
  - I refuse to give my money to any known repuke actor/company.  in_cog_ni_to   Feb-11-07 09:15 AM   #16 
  - if one cannot separate the art from the artist...  LanternWaste   Feb-11-07 09:17 AM   #17 
  - So you take the time to read well-known conservative liars?  Zhade   Feb-11-07 07:20 PM   #37 
     - I'm using Buckley as an example.  LanternWaste   Feb-12-07 07:46 AM   #40 
        - Well, it's not the same thing. Willis isn't paid to lie about liberalism; Buckley is.  Zhade   Feb-12-07 05:29 PM   #87 
           - I'll get a purified list of conservatives...  LanternWaste   Feb-12-07 05:40 PM   #89 
              - Conservatives rarely add anything artistic to the world.  Zhade   Feb-12-07 06:47 PM   #96 
  - I don't watch it because I don't watchTV. Watching a TV show isn't a political statement.  Beelzebud   Feb-11-07 10:39 AM   #19 
  - Well that pretty much limits him to movies with Tom Cruise in it.  tjwash   Feb-11-07 10:43 AM   #20 
  - Years ago I taught school along with an older  LibDemAlways   Feb-11-07 10:51 AM   #21 
  - If repugnant actors only play themselves, then their characters are unwatchable to me.  philosophie_en_rose   Feb-11-07 02:33 PM   #25 
  - I think the show is just plain bad.  Hissyspit   Feb-11-07 04:36 PM   #28 
  - There's something to that. Think about all the great creative works.  Zhade   Feb-11-07 07:26 PM   #39 
  - Not Silly At All  demrabble   Feb-11-07 04:40 PM   #29 
  - Does that go for all areas of entertainment?  trumad   Feb-11-07 04:55 PM   #31 
  - It Sure Does.  demrabble   Feb-11-07 04:57 PM   #32 
     - Wow...  trumad   Feb-11-07 06:40 PM   #33 
  - Agreed -- I feel the same way  LostinVA   Feb-12-07 01:32 PM   #78 
  - Trumad I'm with you  RamboLiberal   Feb-11-07 07:02 PM   #34 
  - Again, you might want to read this other opinion on "24"  The Count   Feb-12-07 01:01 PM   #67 
     - Thanks for the link. I gain some valuable insights following links on DU.  gratefultobelib   Feb-13-07 10:45 AM   #103 
  - Although it doesn't matter to some people,  Jack Sprat   Feb-11-07 07:07 PM   #35 
  - The producers hang around with a lying drug-trafficking asshole.  Zhade   Feb-11-07 07:12 PM   #36 
  - I agree  Katzenkavalier   Feb-11-07 07:23 PM   #38 
  - They tune out the best 70% of the entertainment industry, we tune out the worst 20%. Who's silly?  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Feb-12-07 08:35 AM   #42 
  - I don't get cable for the same reasons! Buy Blue!  Breeze54   Feb-12-07 09:05 AM   #45 
  - Totally, vehemently, disagree  stanwyck   Feb-12-07 09:17 AM   #47 
  - Behind that thought is censorship and eliminationism  bryant69   Feb-12-07 09:20 AM   #48 
  - It's not censorship. It's refusing to subsidize  stanwyck   Feb-12-07 10:45 AM   #52 
     - I understand - you want to punish people for having the wrong opinion  bryant69   Feb-12-07 11:16 AM   #58 
        - Punishing? So, I have to give my time and money  stanwyck   Feb-12-07 12:18 PM   #62 
           - There's a lot of smoke here. I gather to shame me into silence?  bryant69   Feb-12-07 01:23 PM   #75 
              - Don't worry about the conservatives  stanwyck   Feb-12-07 02:09 PM   #80 
                 - Wait a second  bryant69   Feb-12-07 02:13 PM   #81 
                    - I think you're having a problem  stanwyck   Feb-12-07 03:55 PM   #83 
                       - Censorship need not be imposed by the government  bryant69   Feb-13-07 07:43 AM   #99 
                          - What we choose to boycott is a personal choice  stanwyck   Feb-13-07 09:36 AM   #100 
  - The most successful producer of all time is a Republican.  JacksonWest   Feb-12-07 09:32 AM   #49 
  - I disagree. I boycott FoxNoise but I don't "boycott" movies with Larry the Cable Guy, Dennis Miller  Czolgosz   Feb-12-07 10:06 AM   #51 
  - Got a different experience with Cars.  Touchdown   Feb-12-07 12:45 PM   #65 
  - I will stay away from shows/movies with rabid wingnuts in them...  truebrit71   Feb-12-07 10:48 AM   #53 
  - I can't wait for that new Fox show starring Kelsey Grammer and Patricia Heaton  peekaloo   Feb-12-07 10:49 AM   #54 
  - ALL of You are Silly  champt10   Feb-12-07 10:57 AM   #55 
  - In America, consumption is a political act.  lectrobyte   Feb-12-07 11:05 AM   #57 
  - Yeah, I guess it is, but I can't help it!  redqueen   Feb-12-07 11:17 AM   #59 
  - Worse off, why are you going to lack luster video to begin with?  Javaman   Feb-12-07 11:31 AM   #61 
  - It is because RWers always confuse the idea with the person  treestar   Feb-12-07 12:20 PM   #63 
  - Political ignorance.  Rex   Feb-12-07 12:21 PM   #64 
  - Here's why I don't watch "24": The Orwellian Ideology of 24"  The Count   Feb-12-07 12:53 PM   #66 
  - Have you actually seen the show?  Starbucks Anarchist   Feb-12-07 01:02 PM   #69 
     - Nope. I am not into "things that go boom" shows - especially with "terra"  The Count   Feb-12-07 01:13 PM   #72 
        - I'm from NYC, too, and do watch the show.  Starbucks Anarchist   Feb-12-07 01:23 PM   #74 
           - I see people advocating torture based on the show - that tells me plenty  The Count   Feb-12-07 06:28 PM   #94 
              - So ONE guy takes the show seriously, and that does it for you?  Starbucks Anarchist   Feb-13-07 09:45 AM   #101 
  - Many people (for some reason) find it hard to compartmentalize.  MJDuncan1982   Feb-12-07 01:01 PM   #68 
  - Tom Cruise  Madspirit   Feb-12-07 01:04 PM   #70 
  - I generally agree with you but  turtlensue   Feb-12-07 01:09 PM   #71 
  - Just recalled: been avoideng Mel Gibson long before his snuff movies/antisemitic  The Count   Feb-12-07 01:18 PM   #73 
  - Totally agree about Mel Gibson  Madspirit   Feb-12-07 01:24 PM   #76 
  - Battlestar Galactica and Buffy  Madspirit   Feb-12-07 01:29 PM   #77 
  - Buffy has a right-wing following because the wingnuts believe Sarah Michelle Gellar is one of them.  Czolgosz   Feb-12-07 05:28 PM   #86 
     - Myth  Madspirit   Feb-12-07 05:32 PM   #88 
        - it is NOT a myth that "the wingnuts believe Sarah Michelle Gellar is one of them"  Czolgosz   Feb-12-07 05:50 PM   #90 
        - I didn't doubt you..  Madspirit   Feb-12-07 06:00 PM   #91 
           - Also  Madspirit   Feb-12-07 06:02 PM   #92 
        - She is a REPEBLICAN. her answer to "Is Buffy a feminist" has all but "feminazi"  The Count   Feb-12-07 06:45 PM   #95 
           - She is An Avowed Democrat  Madspirit   Feb-12-07 07:13 PM   #98 
  - I think most of it is silly with a few exceptions  incapsulated   Feb-12-07 01:43 PM   #79 
  - I've never watched "24" but I notice the talking heads like to use  walldude   Feb-12-07 02:21 PM   #82 
  - I think those people are afraid of their own shadows.  trumad   Feb-12-07 04:01 PM   #85 
  - I can deal with Willis and Duvall - Malkovich is DEAD to me...  devilgrrl   Feb-12-07 04:00 PM   #84 
  - I agree. Jimmy Stewart was a very right wing hawk who supported the Vietnam War  WI_DEM   Feb-12-07 06:50 PM   #97 
 

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