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Poll question: Gen. David Petraeus is a war criminal
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  Gen. David Petraeus is a war criminal NNN0LHI  Sep-12-07 08:31 AM   #0 
   he is just another flea on the windshield of * and cheney  alyce douglas   Sep-12-07 08:33 AM   #1 
   Are the soldiers in Iraq who still believe they can help war criminals too?  ProSense   Sep-12-07 08:34 AM   #2 
   beTreyUS wants to continue to kill innocent Iraqi's  madokie   Sep-12-07 08:37 AM   #3 
   That's not how you spell BeTray  bryant69   Sep-12-07 08:51 AM   #6 
   in your world maybe but not in mine  madokie   Sep-12-07 08:53 AM   #7 
   You aren't allowed to make up your own spellings.  Kelly Rupert   Sep-12-07 12:00 PM   #59 
      You aren't allowed to act as though you are somebody's mother  me b zola   Sep-12-07 02:26 PM   #81 
         I don't know what you are talking about  bryant69   Sep-12-07 03:25 PM   #87 
            Okie-dokie  me b zola   Sep-12-07 05:57 PM   #99 
   childish insults?  Juniperx   Sep-12-07 03:30 PM   #90 
      Telling someone they're being childish is not, in and of itself, childish.  Kelly Rupert   Sep-12-07 07:56 PM   #103 
         Read again... I said it was insulting...  Juniperx   Sep-13-07 03:16 PM   #107 
   Why don't you just call him General Poopiehead?  cali   Sep-12-07 09:12 AM   #20 
   knock yourself out  madokie   Sep-12-07 09:29 AM   #32 
      yes, let me insult you...  Juniperx   Sep-12-07 03:33 PM   #91 
   How do you know that?  ProSense   Sep-12-07 12:54 PM   #70 
   Petraeus lied to help Bush start the war. He is complicit. n/t  sfexpat2000   Sep-12-07 08:38 AM   #4 
   show me the proof of that false accusation  Netbeavis   Sep-12-07 09:00 AM   #10 
      My pleasure.  sfexpat2000   Sep-12-07 09:04 AM   #13 
         That's not proof that he lied to start the war  bryant69   Sep-12-07 09:07 AM   #16 
         Really? Whatcha got, Bryant? Fork it over!  sfexpat2000   Sep-12-07 09:10 AM   #19 
            I'd have to go back and look it up - Glenn Greenwald had  bryant69   Sep-12-07 09:17 AM   #24 
               Thanks! I just saw him on BookTv. He was really compelling. n/t  sfexpat2000   Sep-12-07 09:20 AM   #28 
         it still doesn't show that he was directy involved in the lead up  Netbeavis   Sep-12-07 09:20 AM   #26 
            I have no stake in tarring anyone. Finally, you have to make  sfexpat2000   Sep-12-07 09:22 AM   #29 
               agreed. His hands are not completely clean.  Netbeavis   Sep-12-07 09:49 AM   #42 
   Ask that question to the families of those Iraqis he has helped to murder if this is over the top  NNN0LHI   Sep-12-07 08:44 AM   #5 
   Has General Petraeus ordered the murder of innocent Iraqi civilians?  bryant69   Sep-12-07 08:54 AM   #8 
   Well seeing the Iraqis never attacked us aren't they all innocent?  NNN0LHI   Sep-12-07 08:58 AM   #9 
      Ah - so in your opinion an Iraqi shooting at American Troops right now  bryant69   Sep-12-07 09:01 AM   #11 
         So, if a burglar/rapist invades your home and you shoot at him and then  Dhalgren   Sep-12-07 09:07 AM   #17 
         That's not a great analogy  bryant69   Sep-12-07 09:23 AM   #30 
            Ok, so the burglar/rapist is a member of a gang and was ordered  Dhalgren   Sep-12-07 09:35 AM   #37 
               Fair enough - so you want to see US Gang Members who happen  bryant69   Sep-12-07 12:57 PM   #71 
                  "Want to"? No, don't be stupid. But I will not deny the Iraqis the right  Dhalgren   Sep-12-07 03:18 PM   #85 
                     Laughs - in other words you hope i stop asking you annoying questions n/t  bryant69   Sep-12-07 03:24 PM   #86 
                        I doubt that there is much chance of that...  Dhalgren   Sep-12-07 03:28 PM   #89 
         In the absence of a valid reason for invading and occupying Iraq I say yes they are all innocent  NNN0LHI   Sep-12-07 09:09 AM   #18 
         So the moral thing for an American soldier to do is either desert  bryant69   Sep-12-07 09:14 AM   #22 
            Funny you asked that question because I was almost faced with that dilemma  NNN0LHI   Sep-12-07 09:28 AM   #31 
            So you would have gone to jail? Or fled north or what?  bryant69   Sep-12-07 09:31 AM   #33 
            I updated my post just as you posted  NNN0LHI   Sep-12-07 09:33 AM   #36 
               So you would advise our troops to get killed  bryant69   Sep-12-07 09:37 AM   #38 
                  I am explaining how I felt had I been drafted  NNN0LHI   Sep-12-07 09:39 AM   #39 
                     Yep - all our soldiers are choosing to be murderers.  bryant69   Sep-12-07 09:43 AM   #40 
                        Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-12-07 09:47 AM   #41 
                        Sad to say  conscious evolution   Sep-12-07 10:25 AM   #46 
            My first husband was in that class, too, or maybe just ahead of you.  sfexpat2000   Sep-12-07 09:54 AM   #43 
            Desert. Go home.  txaslftist   Sep-12-07 12:01 PM   #60 
               And if they choose to stay and not desert they are complicit in Bush's war crimes? n/t  bryant69   Sep-12-07 01:00 PM   #72 
                  Depends on what they do.  txaslftist   Sep-12-07 01:43 PM   #79 
         I would be doing the same thing he is doing and you would prolly be too  madokie   Sep-12-07 09:31 AM   #34 
   How about the Iraqis who are still asking for Americans to stay?  ProSense   Sep-12-07 12:52 PM   #69 
      So if we were invaded and some Americans collaborated with them that would be the end of it for you?  NNN0LHI   Sep-12-07 01:04 PM   #73 
   Not all American soldiers are war criminals  cgrindley   Sep-12-07 09:06 AM   #15 
   Yes  atreides1   Sep-12-07 09:17 AM   #23 
   I mostly agree, but a historic point--  Jed Dilligan   Sep-12-07 11:09 AM   #50 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-12-07 11:45 AM   #53 
   Maybe. Depends on each one's role.  txaslftist   Sep-12-07 11:52 AM   #56 
   Knowingly prosecuting an illegal war = war criminal  cgrindley   Sep-12-07 09:04 AM   #12 
   A REAL investigation and trial are warranted...  Junkdrawer   Sep-12-07 09:05 AM   #14 
   Yes  baldguy   Sep-12-07 09:13 AM   #21 
   The difficulty in answering this question is that we want to respect  sfexpat2000   Sep-12-07 09:19 AM   #25 
   no. nt.  IndianaJones   Sep-12-07 09:20 AM   #27 
   Absolutely  BushOut06   Sep-12-07 09:32 AM   #35 
   No.  TheUniverse   Sep-12-07 10:03 AM   #44 
   Much lower ranking and so less powerful people have refused  sfexpat2000   Sep-12-07 10:05 AM   #45 
   "He is just following orders" - where have we heard that before?  BushOut06   Sep-12-07 11:03 AM   #48 
   Sorry, But General Petreaus didn't pull the lever on any gas chambers.  TheUniverse   Sep-12-07 11:15 AM   #51 
      is that because only a million or so Iraqis have been killed...  mike_c   Sep-12-07 11:51 AM   #55 
      So as long as they're not sending Iraqis into gas ovens, it's not a war crime?  BushOut06   Sep-12-07 01:43 PM   #78 
   LOL  Bornaginhooligan   Sep-12-07 11:57 AM   #57 
   All war is crime.  mdmc   Sep-12-07 10:26 AM   #47 
   Yep. And that's why the military has to surround itself with ritual  sfexpat2000   Sep-12-07 11:08 AM   #49 
      Peace and low stress  mdmc   Sep-12-07 11:50 AM   #54 
   He's the driver of the getaway humvee....  rateyes   Sep-12-07 11:33 AM   #52 
   Petraeus has not committed any war crimes.  Kelly Rupert   Sep-12-07 11:59 AM   #58 
   he is orchestrating a war of aggression, the ultimate war crime....  mike_c   Sep-12-07 12:12 PM   #61 
   Your definition of "crime against humanity"  Kelly Rupert   Sep-12-07 12:18 PM   #62 
      unprecedented?  mike_c   Sep-12-07 12:29 PM   #65 
         Neither apply.  Kelly Rupert   Sep-12-07 01:18 PM   #76 
            the Nuremberg Principles include "waging" a war of aggression....  mike_c   Sep-12-07 02:13 PM   #80 
               This is not a war any longer.  Kelly Rupert   Sep-12-07 02:51 PM   #84 
                  He's ending postwar instability by arming militias?  sfexpat2000   Sep-12-07 03:26 PM   #88 
                     Stupid ain't criminal. n/t  Kelly Rupert   Sep-12-07 03:49 PM   #92 
                        Because we know that those militias never kill innocents.  sfexpat2000   Sep-12-07 03:50 PM   #93 
                           Arming a local-defense militia is not a war crime either,  Kelly Rupert   Sep-12-07 03:55 PM   #94 
                              Yeah, REGARDLESS of the death and destruction.  sfexpat2000   Sep-12-07 03:57 PM   #95 
                                 Pretty much, yes.  Kelly Rupert   Sep-12-07 04:00 PM   #96 
                                    He is a criminal. And frankly, your attempt to sanitize him  sfexpat2000   Sep-12-07 04:03 PM   #97 
                                       I would think that were he a criminal,  Kelly Rupert   Sep-12-07 07:49 PM   #100 
   Remember the battalions of Iraqi conscripts who were killed in the first days of Shock and Awe?  NNN0LHI   Sep-12-07 12:19 PM   #63 
      I was unaware that killing enemy soldiers during war was a war crime.  Kelly Rupert   Sep-12-07 12:22 PM   #64 
         Those conscripts weren't the enemy of anyone as we now know  NNN0LHI   Sep-12-07 12:32 PM   #66 
            Yes, I obviously understand.  Kelly Rupert   Sep-12-07 01:20 PM   #77 
               You switched from "enemy" to "combatants" on me  NNN0LHI   Sep-12-07 02:28 PM   #82 
                  Combatants. Enemy soldiers. Same thing here.  Kelly Rupert   Sep-12-07 02:44 PM   #83 
                     Good, I'm glad we got past that. Now to my original question above  NNN0LHI   Sep-12-07 04:14 PM   #98 
                        In the context of a war zone,  Kelly Rupert   Sep-12-07 07:54 PM   #102 
                           These Iraqi conscripts were never given the option of standing down  NNN0LHI   Sep-12-07 09:25 PM   #104 
                              Yes, they were.  Kelly Rupert   Sep-13-07 12:10 AM   #106 
   What is the basis for calling General Petraeus a war criminal?  whistle   Sep-12-07 12:33 PM   #67 
   nvem  Flabbergasted   Sep-12-07 12:37 PM   #68 
   EVERYBODY at the top is a war criminal  lynyrd_skynyrd   Sep-12-07 01:06 PM   #74 
   No disagreement there  NNN0LHI   Sep-12-07 01:09 PM   #75 
   No he's not, he's a  ProSense   Sep-12-07 07:52 PM   #101 
   Please DU the above poll!!!  Nimrod2005   Sep-12-07 09:40 PM   #105 
 

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