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144. I Want To See Over the Top!
I'm really tired of the Alan Colmes of the world wetting their pants everytime a Dem refuses to repeat, "Thank you sir, may I have another!". We have a right, no, a duty, to tell the unvarnished truth as we see it.

The Miss Manners routine hasn't gotten us very far. If we as Democrats keep doing what we've been doing. We're going to keep getting what we've been getting. And they are going to call us weak on defense, unpatriotic, not supporting the troops, etc. no matter what we do or say anyway. So get used to it.

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  -MoveOn's big mistake: "General Betrayus" Richardo  Sep-11-07 02:04 PM   #0 
  - I don't believe that the usual suspects would have given it respect, no matter the format.  yardwork   Sep-11-07 02:06 PM   #1 
  - Hear hear.  gatorboy   Sep-11-07 02:20 PM   #20 
  - Honestly, I don't see what all the uproar is over the ad.  AndyA   Sep-11-07 02:07 PM   #2 
  - It's like that recent GD thread "we know"  mvd   Sep-11-07 02:12 PM   #10 
  - It was cutsie, not clever and  cali   Sep-11-07 02:25 PM   #31 
  - DU has been using the term "BetrayUs" for weeks.  tridim   Sep-11-07 05:53 PM   #99 
     - Betrayus??? Think of who the Hell betrayed America and its BUSHCO...He didn't warn us of the 9/11  opihimoimoi   Sep-12-07 03:18 AM   #152 
  - I only finally looked at the ad recently and I can't believe the fuss.  Hissyspit   Sep-12-07 01:56 AM   #149 
  - Its time we stopped being afraid of telling the truth........  OwnedByFerrets   Sep-11-07 02:09 PM   #3 
  - Bullshit  Nimrod2005   Sep-11-07 02:10 PM   #4 
  - I second that Bullshit. I'm sick of milk-toast middle of the roaders. nt  Snotcicles   Sep-11-07 04:18 PM   #64 
  - Nice retort  Richardo   Sep-11-07 04:54 PM   #70 
     - The Truth Hurts.  TheWatcher   Sep-11-07 06:51 PM   #118 
  - The big mistake is not the tone of the Moveon ad.  Kutjara   Sep-11-07 02:10 PM   #5 
  - Yes, the Dems should  CJCRANE   Sep-11-07 02:15 PM   #14 
  - Only instead of "catapulting propaganda"...  Kutjara   Sep-11-07 02:20 PM   #24 
  - I agree with what you have said and plus the Dems needed to  snappyturtle   Sep-11-07 02:20 PM   #22 
  - Exactly. Instead of backing down, we should be shouting our agreement.  pnwmom   Sep-11-07 02:22 PM   #27 
  - Yep, and remember...  Kutjara   Sep-11-07 02:24 PM   #30 
  - They called Bill Clinton "Slick Willie" from the beginning of his campaign.  pnwmom   Sep-11-07 02:26 PM   #32 
     - Bingo!  Juniperx   Sep-11-07 02:53 PM   #49 
  - Fight fire with fire!  Juniperx   Sep-11-07 02:54 PM   #50 
  - America needs to buck up..  zidzi   Sep-11-07 07:12 PM   #121 
  - MoveOn's media advisors have always been pretty stupid.  sfexpat2000   Sep-11-07 02:10 PM   #6 
  - Yep. Punning on his name was childish and off-putting.  Gormy Cuss   Sep-11-07 02:14 PM   #13 
  - Point taken!  sfexpat2000   Sep-11-07 02:21 PM   #25 
  - Almost everything about it was screwed up.  TomInTib   Sep-11-07 02:23 PM   #28 
  - Thanks.  Richardo   Sep-11-07 04:10 PM   #62 
  - Uh, no.  aquart   Sep-11-07 02:11 PM   #7 
  - I do have a problem  Mz Pip   Sep-11-07 02:11 PM   #8 
  - It may be "junior high," but it is what THEY understand.  Atman   Sep-11-07 02:17 PM   #15 
  - "THEY" aren't going  Mz Pip   Sep-11-07 02:48 PM   #43 
  - .  Richardo   Sep-11-07 04:11 PM   #63 
  - I have a problem with flag officers betraying our troops  johnfunk   Sep-11-07 04:24 PM   #66 
  - You mean like "Slick Willie" ? n/t  eridani   Sep-11-07 06:25 PM   #107 
     - Yeah  Mz Pip   Sep-11-07 06:38 PM   #112 
  - Meh  blogslut   Sep-11-07 02:12 PM   #9 
  - I think the ad is great  marlakay   Sep-11-07 02:13 PM   #11 
  - And what has being nice and playing by the rules gotten us?  MadHound   Sep-11-07 02:13 PM   #12 
  - RUBBISH  Everybody   Sep-11-07 02:17 PM   #16 
  - Grow a brain and stop using pathetic rebuttals  HEyHEY   Sep-11-07 05:41 PM   #92 
  - I couldn't disagree more  vpilot   Sep-11-07 02:18 PM   #17 
  - Yes, but the American people - the middle of the spectrum - reject the message  Richardo   Sep-11-07 02:49 PM   #45 
     - That's not true at all! - more people rated the troop increase a flop by 58 % to 36 %!!  Breeze54   Sep-11-07 06:39 PM   #114 
  - Tough  mitchtv   Sep-11-07 02:18 PM   #18 
  - Have you forgotten that the repukes NEVER play by the rules?  proud2Blib   Sep-11-07 02:19 PM   #19 
  - Have YOU forgotten that we're not trying to convert diehard Republicans?  Richardo   Sep-11-07 03:07 PM   # 
     - Speak for yourself  proud2Blib   Sep-11-07 04:21 PM   #65 
  - I think the ad rocked and the big mistake was accepting right-wing talking point, hook line & sinker  goodhue   Sep-11-07 02:20 PM   #21 
  - You got it so right!  Juniperx   Sep-11-07 02:57 PM   #51 
  - A "recitation of the facts" is the usual Democratic style, and it doesn't work.  pnwmom   Sep-11-07 02:20 PM   #23 
  - That's true....the GOP is notorious for attacking Democrats on their strengths  DesertedRose   Sep-11-07 02:45 PM   #37 
  - I agree - would have had more people reading the whole thing  elfin   Sep-11-07 02:22 PM   #26 
  - No Repub would have bothered to read the whole thing  pnwmom   Sep-11-07 02:24 PM   #29 
     - I agree  mvd   Sep-11-07 02:35 PM   #33 
        - I think it alienates the middle.  Richardo   Sep-11-07 02:42 PM   #34 
           - I don't think it will  mvd   Sep-11-07 02:45 PM   #36 
           - I disagree - they sucessfully co-opted ownership of the symbols  Richardo   Sep-11-07 02:47 PM   #42 
              - No, they didn't always pander  mvd   Sep-11-07 02:48 PM   #44 
           - We Can't Appeal to the Middle By Caving Into Republican/Conservative Bullies  Crisco   Sep-11-07 02:47 PM   #41 
              - You can't get anywhere being nice with these people  mvd   Sep-11-07 02:51 PM   #47 
                 - You're not being to THEM, you're trying to appeal to the persuadable middle.  Richardo   Sep-11-07 03:04 PM   #56 
                    - I'm talking about as a general tactic: don't be nice  mvd   Sep-11-07 03:07 PM   #58 
                    - The ad had impact -- and the controversy around it has provided a  KurtNYC   Sep-12-07 08:48 AM   #157 
  - You know what is worse?  stimbox   Sep-11-07 02:44 PM   #35 
  - I wouldn't expect anything else from the DLC/M$M. n/t  redqueen   Sep-11-07 02:46 PM   #38 
  - As Eli Said  Me.   Sep-11-07 02:46 PM   #39 
  - general betrayus is a fitting title  judaspriestess   Sep-11-07 02:46 PM   #40 
  - I'm not advocating being as vicious as the Repukes  mvd   Sep-11-07 02:58 PM   #52 
  - A double edged sword.Without the title would the ad have  Disturbed   Sep-11-07 03:02 PM   #55 
  - I agree with you. Those names are juvenile and sap credibility from the message.  Marr   Sep-11-07 02:49 PM   #46 
  - SIGH!  lynyrd_skynyrd   Sep-11-07 02:51 PM   #48 
  - Mistake?? Screw that...  losthills   Sep-11-07 03:00 PM   #53 
  - I agree with you BUT...  Bluzmann57   Sep-11-07 03:00 PM   #54 
  - I really wish civil discourse worked better  mvd   Sep-11-07 03:13 PM   #60 
  - ...and I agree with you.  Richardo   Sep-11-07 05:27 PM   #84 
  - Adding that made it more widely read and known about  HughMoran   Sep-11-07 03:06 PM   #57 
  - Move-on doesn't give a rat's fuck what repukes say  chaumont58   Sep-11-07 03:11 PM   #59 
  - Hmm. Long-term, I would rather chip away at the 40% plurality  Jed Dilligan   Sep-11-07 03:21 PM   #61 
  - He is a general ,,  coco77   Sep-11-07 04:34 PM   #67 
  - Way to appeal to the middle  Richardo   Sep-11-07 04:50 PM   #68 
  - Fuck the middle. The middle needs to move to the LEFT if they want to be  in_cog_ni_to   Sep-11-07 05:19 PM   #78 
  - I'm liberal and proud of it, too.  Richardo   Sep-11-07 05:25 PM   #83 
  - The party platform is hardly  sufrommich   Sep-11-07 05:54 PM   #101 
  - WooHoo!!! Right On!!!!!  Breeze54   Sep-11-07 06:44 PM   # 
  - so, what you are saying is..  coco77   Sep-11-07 05:27 PM   #85 
  - Um...no.  Richardo   Sep-11-07 05:29 PM   #86 
  - Over 70% of the USA wants the Occupation ended. Your "middle" is fiction. nm  dicksteele   Sep-11-07 05:38 PM   #91 
     - I'll bet 40% are offended by the term 'Betrayus'  Richardo   Sep-11-07 05:54 PM   #100 
  - "We can support the troops, without supporting the President"  MODemocrat   Sep-11-07 10:37 PM   #143 
  - I disagree. The attack on Moveon.org by all the Repub pols simply shows how pathetically their whole  Mayberry Machiavelli   Sep-11-07 04:54 PM   #69 
  - Would have been a lot more effective without it....  Richardo   Sep-11-07 04:55 PM   #71 
  - BULLSIT. MoveOn told the TRUTH. Don't like the TRUTH? Too fucking bad! GO MOVEON!!!!!!  in_cog_ni_to   Sep-11-07 05:00 PM   #72 
  - I take it you're not recommending the thread.  Richardo   Sep-11-07 05:07 PM   #74 
     - You guessed right. Our party will be just fine without the sensible center. Thank you very much!  in_cog_ni_to   Sep-11-07 05:20 PM   #79 
     - If by 'fine' you mean relieved of the burden of governing, you're absolutely right  Richardo   Sep-11-07 05:22 PM   #80 
     - You tell em...  coco77   Sep-13-07 04:21 PM   #160 
     - good luck with that status quo..  frylock   Sep-11-07 05:30 PM   #87 
        - No one can govern without the middle.  Richardo   Sep-11-07 05:35 PM   #89 
           - What, is "middle" your word of the day? You're waving around a LOT in this thread.  dicksteele   Sep-11-07 05:42 PM   #93 
           - Well about 49% of them are still not voting for Democrats  Richardo   Sep-11-07 05:46 PM   #96 
              - The way to get MORE is to show a resolve to do what over 70% want done.  dicksteele   Sep-11-07 07:53 PM   #124 
           - the problem is that the middle has moved a little too far to the right..  frylock   Sep-11-07 08:20 PM   #127 
  - TOTALLY agree  Raine   Sep-11-07 05:05 PM   #73 
  - They're the PETA of politics!  Richardo   Sep-11-07 05:08 PM   #75 
  - and what did the swift boating of Kerry do??..and how juvenile did the american people take that?n/t  flyarm   Sep-11-07 05:11 PM   #77 
     - It ruined him but  Raine   Sep-11-07 05:30 PM   #88 
        - ONLY IF YOU LET IT!..it is making me more resolved to stand for truth and i am donating to Move on  flyarm   Sep-11-07 05:45 PM   #95 
  - where was the reich wing anger over the Swift Boating of Kerry?????? where was their disingenuous  flyarm   Sep-11-07 05:08 PM   #76 
  - I love you, flyarm!  in_cog_ni_to   Sep-11-07 05:24 PM   #82 
  - Good post. Thanks.  swag   Sep-11-07 05:24 PM   #81 
  - in other words it was successful. The surge, my friend, is a fake excuse to kill  robinlynne   Sep-11-07 05:55 PM   #102 
     - Tasty convolution.  swag   Sep-11-07 05:57 PM   #104 
  - Seems to me they got a lot of free publicity and people  Cleita   Sep-11-07 05:38 PM   #90 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-11-07 05:44 PM   #94 
  - Did you even read the post?  Richardo   Sep-11-07 05:55 PM   #103 
  - Blah, blah, blah  Downtown Hound   Sep-11-07 05:48 PM   #97 
  - I wonder when YOU'LL wake up and realize I was not talking about the right.  Richardo   Sep-11-07 05:57 PM   #105 
     - The hell you're not, and I read your whole post, and many others  Downtown Hound   Sep-11-07 06:04 PM   #106 
        - That still doesn't address the problem of MoveOn's  sfexpat2000   Sep-11-07 06:33 PM   #110 
        - Why, because it called the general a name?  Downtown Hound   Sep-11-07 06:44 PM   #115 
        - I haven't broken a sweat, thanks.  sfexpat2000   Sep-11-07 07:22 PM   #122 
        - You must've only read the headline grabber. It's based in facts, as we all saw today!  Breeze54   Sep-11-07 06:49 PM   #117 
        - You know, you guys are right and I am wrong.  sfexpat2000   Sep-11-07 07:59 PM   #126 
           - Here -->  Breeze54   Sep-11-07 08:24 PM   #129 
        - It's not stupidity, it's getting the message out, and I'd say they did it well! EOM  MrMickeysMom   Sep-11-07 09:15 PM   #135 
        - awesome FUCKING post!!!  frylock   Sep-11-07 06:59 PM   #119 
           - Gracias!  Downtown Hound   Sep-12-07 03:07 AM   #150 
  - So organize thousands of people and take out a "better" ad! just the way you  robinlynne   Sep-11-07 05:52 PM   #98 
  - That's silly  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Sep-11-07 06:31 PM   #108 
     - I'm not being silly. We have to end this war. ANYONE trying to end it has my support.  robinlynne   Sep-11-07 06:36 PM   #111 
        - i agree with you robinlynne..100%!!!! eom  flyarm   Sep-11-07 07:03 PM   #120 
        - wow - ok  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Sep-11-07 07:39 PM   #123 
           - not true. I have problems with moveon. But yesterday, they stood up to  robinlynne   Sep-12-07 12:01 PM   #158 
  - If MoveOn came with flowers and candy  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-11-07 06:33 PM   #109 
  - "Widely read" my ass....  Junkdrawer   Sep-11-07 06:39 PM   #113 
  - Gen. Betrayus - not name calling, rather a more fitting name. Call a spade a spade.  AnotherMother4Peace   Sep-11-07 06:48 PM   #116 
  - The important thing is to always  Warren Stupidity   Sep-11-07 07:55 PM   #125 
  - Count me..  sendero   Sep-11-07 08:22 PM   #128 
  - Whatever Americans have been doing isnt working so  superkia   Sep-11-07 08:37 PM   #130 
  - I think it all comes down to this:  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Sep-11-07 08:44 PM   #131 
  - Goodness me. Very nicely said.  swag   Sep-11-07 09:09 PM   #132 
  - I wish I had put it so succinctly.  Richardo   Sep-12-07 07:13 AM   #154 
  - I agree with your point on the word games with his name.  autorank   Sep-11-07 09:10 PM   #133 
  - I have a bigger one, how bout that challenge to the last thieved election?  lonestarnot   Sep-11-07 09:10 PM   #134 
  - THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU  omega minimo   Sep-11-07 09:17 PM   #137 
  - Yep and now people are whining when they finally get something fucking right.  lonestarnot   Sep-11-07 09:21 PM   #138 
     - choose your delusion  omega minimo   Sep-11-07 09:22 PM   #139 
        - I prefer a hot damn bath.  lonestarnot   Sep-11-07 09:27 PM   #140 
  - That happened. I've resented it for years.  sfexpat2000   Sep-11-07 09:35 PM   #142 
  - Don't ignore the fact  omega minimo   Sep-11-07 09:15 PM   #136 
  - Do you have some data on that?  OzarkDem   Sep-11-07 09:29 PM   #141 
  - I Want To See Over the Top!  Drix   Sep-11-07 11:07 PM   #144 
  - There are a bunch of right wingers on another board I post on....  Bennyboy   Sep-11-07 11:23 PM   #145 
  - I like the ad and the pun. The right is jealous because the left is finally using their playbook.  bob_weaver   Sep-11-07 11:33 PM   #146 
  - No mistake. n/t  deacon   Sep-12-07 12:41 AM   #147 
  - It said "OR General Betray Us?"  Hissyspit   Sep-12-07 01:53 AM   #148 
  - THE BASTARD DID BETRAY US  Skittles   Sep-12-07 03:17 AM   #151 
  - They had every right to run the ad, but, in retrospect, it would have  Vinca   Sep-12-07 06:41 AM   #153 
  - Sorry but I think it's time we called a spade a spade.  Sentinel Chicken   Sep-12-07 07:28 AM   #155 
  - I think it was bad, but not as bad as "We bought it; we own it."  BlueIris   Sep-12-07 08:05 AM   #156 
  - I agree with Richardo - this was totally sophomoric  Godlesscommieprevert   Sep-12-07 12:08 PM   #159 
 

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