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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 08:16 AM
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31. The problem is we'll never know if he wore it deliberately or
it was an honest mistake or even if he was set up.

Case in point: I have in my records jacket an order stating all personnel assigned to the BlahBlah Gp between 1 blahblah and 31 blahblah are authorized to wear the AF Outstanding Unit Award. I was; so I do. However, shortly before retirement I came across the regulation that covered the AFOUA and all the units awarded same. The BlahBlah Gp wasn't listed. So, am I wearing an unauthorized ribbon?

This is one of the things that happens when millions can get a medal or ribbon for just being there, ie among others the AF Basic Training Grad ribbon.
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  -How did Petraeus earn his Bronze Star with 'V' device? Cruzan  Sep-11-07 05:19 AM   #0 
  - An IED sent it flying over the GreenZone wall and onto his lobster bib? nm  dicksteele   Sep-11-07 05:23 AM   #1 
  - as with most officers, it's how well you suck up that determines  B Calm   Sep-11-07 05:30 AM   #2 
  - I had to laugh at his chest full of medals and all those silly patches.  soothsayer   Sep-11-07 05:54 AM   #3 
     - It does seem the Army over does it a bit with the bling.  Cruzan   Sep-11-07 06:31 AM   #5 
        - It's ludicrous. Not just officers. nt  MookieWilson   Sep-11-07 06:47 AM   #9 
        - It is not ludicrous.  Squatch   Sep-11-07 06:54 AM   #10 
           - I Agree...  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-11-07 06:57 AM   #11 
           - The full bank of chest salad, along with all the other bells and whistles  sarge43   Sep-11-07 07:27 AM   #18 
              - When you are a four star...  MookieWilson   Sep-11-07 07:33 AM   #20 
              - I Have A Question  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-11-07 08:07 AM   #29 
              - Ribbons aren't worn on fatigues, just patches.  sarge43   Sep-11-07 08:20 AM   #32 
              - No  dmesg   Sep-11-07 08:38 AM   #42 
                 - I thought you were required to wear rank insignia.  MookieWilson   Sep-11-07 08:57 AM   #46 
                    - The modern ACU has velcro-attached rank insignia.  Squatch   Sep-11-07 09:06 AM   #51 
                       - I thought it was a Geneva Convention thing. Has this rule changed since WWII? Curious. nt  MookieWilson   Sep-11-07 09:12 AM   #54 
                       - Possibly not. Even so...  dmesg   Sep-11-07 10:52 AM   #66 
                          - I think the rule has changed. In WWII you fought with your rank insignia....  MookieWilson   Sep-11-07 10:26 PM   #69 
                       - Oh you better believe that some poor schmuck butter bar LT has to get General Peaches  ShortnFiery   Sep-11-07 11:25 PM   #76 
                          - A four star general's Aide de Camp is usually a Lieutenant Colonel  Squatch   Sep-12-07 08:47 AM   #78 
                             - George C. Marshall's was a sergeant. nt  MookieWilson   Sep-12-07 10:56 AM   #79 
                                - And the Sultans of Turkey had hundreds of concubines.  Squatch   Sep-12-07 11:06 AM   #80 
              - Well, generals can assign their own uniforms, though they tend not to anymore  dmesg   Sep-11-07 08:16 AM   #30 
                 - In the late 70s the Marine Corps commandant was photographed in a recruiting poster...  MookieWilson   Sep-11-07 08:40 AM   #43 
           - My father served 30 years....  MookieWilson   Sep-11-07 07:01 AM   #12 
           - My Dad  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-11-07 07:07 AM   #14 
              - Where did he serve in WWII? nt  MookieWilson   Sep-11-07 07:42 AM   #23 
                 - Tunisian, Sicilian Italian, Campaigns  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-11-07 07:56 AM   #28 
                    - Tough duty! A friend of mine's brother walked away from Anzio without a scratch. Luck counts. nt  MookieWilson   Sep-11-07 08:32 AM   #36 
                       - My Dad Took Shrapnel In The Eye And Belly ...  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-11-07 08:35 AM   #38 
                       - Anzio Is Where Bob Dole Was Almost Blown Up  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-11-07 09:05 AM   #50 
                          - Inoyue - sp? - was in Italy, was he at Anzio? nt  MookieWilson   Sep-11-07 09:13 AM   #55 
                          - Here  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-11-07 09:46 AM   #62 
                          - If you mean when Dole was wounded...  tuckessee   Sep-11-07 10:47 PM   #71 
           - Hell yes n/t  KeineAhnung   Sep-11-07 10:27 PM   #70 
           - As a former officer, I know for a fact that it takes "little to nothing" for Field Grade and  ShortnFiery   Sep-11-07 11:17 PM   #75 
        - Here's me with my bling:  Aristus   Sep-11-07 11:08 PM   #73 
  - There was a CNO who killed himself because  fasttense   Sep-11-07 06:03 AM   #4 
  - In fact it was for a V he was not authorized to wear.  Cruzan   Sep-11-07 06:34 AM   #6 
  - My Neighbor And Friend Has Two Bronze Stars Without The V  DemocratSinceBirth   Sep-11-07 06:46 AM   #8 
  - The problem is we'll never know if he wore it deliberately or  sarge43   Sep-11-07 08:16 AM   #31 
  - Adm Jeremy Boorda  sarge43   Sep-11-07 07:05 AM   #13 
     - Those time frames really vary according to demand for certain ranks.  MookieWilson   Sep-11-07 07:19 AM   #15 
     - Well, that's what got my attention.  sarge43   Sep-11-07 07:37 AM   #21 
     - What a breath of fresh air Boorda was..  MookieWilson   Sep-11-07 07:21 AM   #16 
     - A naval Captain is the equivalent to a Colonel (O6)  hootinholler   Sep-11-07 07:39 AM   #22 
     - He's talkin' army/marines.  MookieWilson   Sep-11-07 07:52 AM   #25 
     - I thought he's wondering why the Admiral was stuck at Captain for so long.  hootinholler   Sep-11-07 10:00 AM   #63 
     - Which reminds me of a story...  dmesg   Sep-11-07 08:36 AM   #39 
        - better story  jollyreaper2112   Sep-11-07 09:17 AM   #57 
     - Not a jump to major, a jump to Lieutenant Commander.  fasttense   Sep-11-07 09:01 AM   #48 
     - Captain to Lt. Commnder is a 2 grade bust in the navy. n/t  hootinholler   Sep-11-07 10:02 AM   #64 
     - In Petraeus' case, it's no big deal  jmowreader   Sep-11-07 10:41 AM   #65 
  - Petraeus's chest candy is an embarassment. Combined, Ike, Nimitz, and King...  MookieWilson   Sep-11-07 06:44 AM   #7 
  - I'll agree with you  Zenzic   Sep-11-07 07:55 AM   #27 
  - Westmoreland had been in 3 major wars. LOTS more combat time than Clark, Petraeus, etc. nt  MookieWilson   Sep-11-07 10:24 PM   #68 
  - Patton couldn't get enough of them, though  dmesg   Sep-11-07 08:31 AM   #34 
     - Patton wore the foreign awards. And a four star could basically design their own uniform....  MookieWilson   Sep-11-07 08:37 AM   #40 
        - Then I vote for General Peaches to use "a little rouge" and remove four rows of ribbons.  ShortnFiery   Sep-11-07 09:18 AM   #58 
  - You know, only TWO MOHs have been awarded in the Iraq War?  grytpype   Sep-11-07 07:26 AM   #17 
  - Not nearly so many people involved in actual combat.  MookieWilson   Sep-11-07 07:31 AM   #19 
  - Bashing his medals makes us all Swiftboaters....  Netbeavis   Sep-11-07 07:50 AM   #24 
  - Then it's a good thing that "wondering how he got one of them" isn't the same as "bashing", eh? nm  dicksteele   Sep-11-07 08:32 AM   #35 
  - the question started out harmless enough..  Netbeavis   Sep-11-07 08:57 AM   #47 
     - That's a fair statement, IMHO. It's still LIGHT YEARS away from "swiftboating", though. nm  dicksteele   Sep-11-07 09:11 AM   #52 
        - its a slippery slope. We can not condemn what we ourselves practice.  Netbeavis   Sep-11-07 09:40 AM   #59 
  - I see your point. He earned his as much as anyone else in his day earned theirs...it's the system  MookieWilson   Sep-11-07 08:34 AM   #37 
  - Yeah, you can go after the message and what he wrote  Netbeavis   Sep-11-07 09:04 AM   #49 
     - Very true. Dad started his career as a yeoman in the Pentagon...  MookieWilson   Sep-11-07 09:15 AM   #56 
     - My grandfather had a long time friend who was a career officer  Netbeavis   Sep-11-07 09:42 AM   #61 
     - Point taken about trashing him for just wearing the chest salad.  sarge43   Sep-11-07 11:03 AM   #67 
  - I have to agree to some extent. The question is giving me a bit of a 2004 flashback  LittleClarkie   Sep-11-07 11:11 PM   #74 
  - I had to get shot to get each of the two that I have.  ThomWV   Sep-11-07 07:55 AM   #26 
  - Wear 'em with pride ThomWV! nt  MookieWilson   Sep-11-07 09:42 AM   #60 
  - Najaf  dmesg   Sep-11-07 08:29 AM   #33 
  - Then he earned it. Nuff said. n/t  sarge43   Sep-11-07 08:44 AM   #45 
  - Who cares? ...and why act like a Bushie?  mrbluto   Sep-11-07 08:37 AM   #41 
  - A sub veteran board I participate in is asking the same question, and they're conservatives. It's-  MookieWilson   Sep-11-07 08:42 AM   #44 
  - What I don't get is that, I recall that the General Officers during WWI and WWII (pictures)  ShortnFiery   Sep-11-07 09:11 AM   #53 
  - My hubby and I were talking about it  nadinbrzezinski   Sep-11-07 10:59 PM   #72 
     - Bubbleheads didn't use to get many medals....  MookieWilson   Sep-12-07 08:44 AM   #77 
 

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