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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #70
72. I am INTIMATELY familiar with First Nations.
I lived in Port Huron Michigan, and have MANY Canadian relatives.

I shit on NOTHING but their "RIGHT" to behave like testosterone soaked idiots. Their "Traditional Whale Hunt" is BULLSHIT unless they do it TRADITIONALLY.

You know something? In the Year 2007 it is not only STUPID to behave in manners that say "I can do it if I say so, NEENER NEENER NEENER," it's SUICIDAL for humanity in general.
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  -Calif. Gray Whale Shot With Machine Gun Ghost in the Machine  Sep-09-07 06:12 AM   #0 
  - I read a couple of stories  cali   Sep-09-07 06:14 AM   #1 
  - particularly with a machine gun....  SayWhatYo   Sep-09-07 06:21 AM   #3 
  - Cali, see my post below....I am very familiar with the Makah tribe...  Pachamama   Sep-09-07 06:23 AM   #4 
  - I am only in favor of it if they are truly subsistence hunters  alarimer   Sep-09-07 12:06 PM   #7 
  - This makes me so angry....and shame, shame on the Makah tribe...  Pachamama   Sep-09-07 06:20 AM   #2 
  - I have read a little bit about this as well  alarimer   Sep-09-07 12:09 PM   #10 
  - I just went to the Seattle Times website and its front page news - the whale died & the tribe is  Pachamama   Sep-09-07 06:33 AM   #5 
  - kick  Annces   Sep-09-07 12:04 PM   #6 
  - That's terrible!!!  Shine   Sep-09-07 12:08 PM   #8 
  - DU front page says it was harpooned, and has a picture.  BlooInBloo   Sep-09-07 12:09 PM   #9 
  - The OP says it was harpooned as well as being machine gunned  MiniMe   Sep-09-07 01:07 PM   #11 
     - There was no machine gun, just bad reporting. n/t  Wcross   Sep-09-07 02:23 PM   #16 
  - I call BULL SHIT on the machine gunning of the whale.  Wcross   Sep-09-07 01:23 PM   #12 
  - Where the hell did they get the "Machine gun" report?  Wcross   Sep-09-07 01:31 PM   #13 
  - Machine gun BULLSHIT!!!  qdemn7   Sep-09-07 01:42 PM   #14 
  - Well, what about the CNN headline for starters: Tribal fishermen held after whale killed with machin  MiniMe   Sep-09-07 06:29 PM   #18 
  - But the preliminary report was wrong.  Wcross   Sep-09-07 09:32 PM   #22 
     - Where are you seeing that the prelim report was wrong?  MiniMe   Sep-09-07 09:36 PM   #25 
        - Uh, it was wrong because they didn't have machine guns.  Wcross   Sep-09-07 09:48 PM   #28 
           - Thanks for the link  MiniMe   Sep-09-07 09:58 PM   #32 
           - Possibly a Weatherby Mark V Deluxe bolt action.  Lasher   Sep-10-07 11:08 AM   #80 
  - I call un-bullshit and I'll give you pics  flvegan   Sep-09-07 09:40 PM   #26 
     - Show me a picture of a machine gun.  Wcross   Sep-09-07 09:46 PM   #27 
        - Show me the folks actually taking the shots.  flvegan   Sep-09-07 09:50 PM   #29 
        - I am arguing that it is a false story, that is all.  Wcross   Sep-09-07 09:59 PM   #33 
           - I'm arguing media error  flvegan   Sep-09-07 11:06 PM   #34 
        - Ooooh! What a manly post! The testosterone is positivley DRIPPING from those guns!  Beausoir   Sep-09-07 09:50 PM   #30 
           - Grow up.  Wcross   Sep-09-07 09:52 PM   #31 
              - Friend, you are not doing us responsible gun owners a favor.  Tyler Durden   Sep-10-07 06:50 AM   #45 
                 - I'm a non-gun-expert.  tofunut   Sep-10-07 11:28 AM   #88 
                 - I apologise.  Wcross   Sep-10-07 07:09 PM   #93 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-09-07 01:44 PM   #15 
  - List of violations by the Makah in killing this grey whale  Annces   Sep-09-07 02:48 PM   #17 
  - More hunting hypocrisy? nt  Truth Hurts A Lot   Sep-09-07 06:34 PM   #19 
  - They weren't *hunters*, they were POACHERS. Please don't confuse the two.  Ghost in the Machine   Sep-10-07 01:44 AM   #36 
     - How are they illegal poachers? They have an absolute right to go whaling  cgrindley   Sep-10-07 06:31 AM   #41 
        - No, they don't.  tofunut   Sep-10-07 11:36 AM   #89 
  - Hmm, I think I'd rather actually be killed by a machine gun  riverdeep   Sep-09-07 06:47 PM   #20 
  - Wouldn't be enough of you floating on the surface to eat. n/t  Wcross   Sep-09-07 09:36 PM   #24 
  - The Makah don't need anyone's permission to kill a whale  cgrindley   Sep-09-07 07:05 PM   #21 
  - Spoken like someone with absolutely NO idea what they're talking about.  flvegan   Sep-09-07 11:08 PM   #35 
  - Article 4, Treaty of Neah Bay, 1855  cgrindley   Sep-10-07 06:28 AM   #39 
     - The way I read this indicates that they CAN'T whale anytime they want  DinoBoy   Sep-10-07 11:02 AM   #76 
  - No they can't. Once again you spout off with your *opinion* and call it facts  Ghost in the Machine   Sep-10-07 01:48 AM   #38 
  - See above, Treaty of Neah Bay, 1855, article 4  cgrindley   Sep-10-07 06:29 AM   #40 
     - Other Stupid Laws: Washington State  Tyler Durden   Sep-10-07 07:24 AM   #48 
     - It's not a Washington State Law, it's a Federal Treaty (nt)  cgrindley   Sep-10-07 09:30 AM   #49 
        - I merely used WASHINGTON STATE as an example.  Tyler Durden   Sep-10-07 09:45 AM   #54 
           - Get over it, it's a treaty right, it's not about to go away (nt)  cgrindley   Sep-10-07 09:58 AM   #56 
              - Get over it, We're in IRAQ, it's not about to go away...  Tyler Durden   Sep-10-07 10:26 AM   #62 
                 - Two points  cgrindley   Sep-10-07 10:44 AM   #67 
                    - I did not present that as an argument.  Tyler Durden   Sep-10-07 10:48 AM   #69 
                       - Well, using something to demonstrate something is indeed a type of  cgrindley   Sep-10-07 10:58 AM   #73 
                          - You obviously didn't see the backhoe.  Tyler Durden   Sep-10-07 11:07 AM   #78 
     - Still assertations without proof. *Here's* what a link looks like, with info  Ghost in the Machine   Sep-10-07 10:34 AM   #65 
        - That's not really the whole story and you know it  cgrindley   Sep-10-07 10:48 AM   #68 
        - Who's the one being difficult? You still provide no links or proof of your assertations.  Ghost in the Machine   Sep-10-07 11:11 AM   #82 
        - BOY I can smell those YEN now!!!!  Tyler Durden   Sep-10-07 11:11 AM   #83 
        - THANK YOU SO MUCH!  Tyler Durden   Sep-10-07 11:13 AM   #84 
  - It's a violation of international law. And was not authorized by the Makah tribe, for that matter.  LeftyMom   Sep-10-07 11:10 AM   #81 
  - Why are they allowed to kill whales?  fedupfisherman   Sep-09-07 09:35 PM   #23 
  - Certain groups from Wikipedia  OmmmSweetOmmm   Sep-10-07 06:39 AM   #43 
  - Treaty of Neah Bay, 1855  cgrindley   Sep-10-07 06:42 AM   #44 
     - Screw them AND their hunt.  Tyler Durden   Sep-10-07 07:10 AM   #46 
        - By your tortured logic, the entire bill of rights is out of date (nt)  cgrindley   Sep-10-07 09:32 AM   #51 
           - Nope. We amend the constitution when REASON demands.  Tyler Durden   Sep-10-07 09:36 AM   #52 
              - The whole nature of treaties is that they can't be randomly amended  cgrindley   Sep-10-07 10:00 AM   #57 
                 - Fine. Then HOLD them to the treaty,.  Tyler Durden   Sep-10-07 10:08 AM   #59 
                    - The treaty does not specify traditional methods, only traditional grounds  cgrindley   Sep-10-07 10:15 AM   #60 
                       - And letting them get KILLED for their tradition simply demonstrates its value.  Tyler Durden   Sep-10-07 10:30 AM   #64 
  - I have the gawd-given right to machine gun whales if I want!  leftofthedial   Sep-10-07 01:46 AM   #37 
  - Actually, they have the Uncle Sam given right  cgrindley   Sep-10-07 06:33 AM   #42 
  - The Country that signed that treaty no longer exists.  Tyler Durden   Sep-10-07 07:12 AM   #47 
     - WTF! It does so (nt)  cgrindley   Sep-10-07 09:31 AM   #50 
        - To paraphrase the Late Great Shelby Foote:  Tyler Durden   Sep-10-07 09:44 AM   #53 
           - You know nothing about the First Nations (nt)  cgrindley   Sep-10-07 09:57 AM   #55 
              - I know that if they want to be a NATION, then I don't want to SUPPORT them  Tyler Durden   Sep-10-07 10:25 AM   #61 
                 - They've always been a nation and they were here first, hence the term  cgrindley   Sep-10-07 10:51 AM   #70 
                    - I am INTIMATELY familiar with First Nations.  Tyler Durden   Sep-10-07 10:56 AM   #72 
                       - So do you think deer hunters should use bows only? (nt)  cgrindley   Sep-10-07 10:59 AM   #74 
                          - Works for me. I'd let them use Black Powder too.  Tyler Durden   Sep-10-07 11:03 AM   #77 
                             - Well that's just silly  cgrindley   Sep-10-07 11:08 AM   #79 
                                - You did notice the post about SELLING the carcase, not EATING it.  Tyler Durden   Sep-10-07 11:15 AM   #85 
                                   - Yeah, but I simply don't give a shit  cgrindley   Sep-10-07 11:17 AM   #86 
                                      - That's it.  Tyler Durden   Sep-10-07 11:19 AM   #87 
  - Bolt-action Weatherby hunting rifle, not a machinegun.  benEzra   Sep-10-07 10:34 AM   #66 
     - a box of .460 Weatherby Magnum rounds is like 100 bucks  cgrindley   Sep-10-07 10:56 AM   #71 
     - REAL tradition, that Weatherby.  Tyler Durden   Sep-10-07 11:00 AM   #75 
     - I'll tell you what! gawdjeezis gave me even MORE of a right  leftofthedial   Sep-10-07 12:42 PM   #90 
  - I have to fully support their ability to hunt the whales. nt.  IndianaJones   Sep-10-07 10:03 AM   #58 
  - Why? Isn't it mostly for religious reasons?  Ladyhawk   Sep-10-07 12:51 PM   #91 
     - I don't believe it is an issue of ethics. I am not educated very well on this subject.  IndianaJones   Sep-10-07 12:55 PM   #92 
  - Thread on the subject in LBN  Lasher   Sep-10-07 10:29 AM   #63 
  - All moral issues aside.......  Wcross   Sep-10-07 08:58 PM   #94 

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