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| 67. UNBELIEVABLE. I知 not sure where to begin. |
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http://www.militarytimes.com/forum/showthread.php?t=155... UNBELIEVABLE. I知 not sure where to begin. I知 outraged and embarrassed! Back in 1979 we had to sign for nuclear weapons verifying serial numbers, the security folks posted two man guards at the aircraft, the cops enforced two man maintenance crews access to aircraft, the 781s are annotated, maintenance job control was informed, the wing command post was informed, weapons were moved in armed convoy, etc. How were the weapons removed from storage? Who was guarding the weapons military troopers or contractors? How were they transported to the aircraft? How were the aircraft forms updated? How was the chain of custody broken? Did the flight crew and munitions maintenance OICs verify weapons status? What the hell happened here? This is dereliction of duty, Wing CC, DCM, OMS/CC Munitions Sq/CC, Security Sq Commander and a lot of other folks should be going to jail, today !!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe we have too many fighter pilots as generals. Maybe we need to split Air Combat Command back to the cold war days of SAC and TAC. Retired B-52 Crew Chief #10 09-05-2007, 03:50 PM Unregistered Posts: n/a Re: B-52 mistakenly flies with nukes aboard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Being a former cruise missile troop, I do not see how this could have happended. If the "missile shop" failed to download the heads before taking them to the flightline, the crew loading them on the plane has a checklist asking them to "verify no warheads installed", as do the pilots.... hmmmmm, maybe they thought they were dummy heads. That's the only way I can see that possibly happening. Wonder what happened to the guy signing off that inventory?
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| -Nukes Over Amerika (Weekend Edition) |
Rick Myers |
Sep-08-07 07:17 PM |
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I know this is probably a dumb question, but... |
IanDB1 |
Sep-08-07 07:43 PM |
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Not a dumb question at all |
Rick Myers |
Sep-08-07 07:55 PM |
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And we don't have something like that which can be launched from a silo or submarine? n/t |
IanDB1 |
Sep-08-07 08:00 PM |
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The short answer is... NO |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-08-07 08:13 PM |
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Ahh... then this makes much more sense now. We're all going to die. Thanks! |
IanDB1 |
Sep-08-07 08:21 PM |
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That has been long standing doctrine |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-08-07 08:34 PM |
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A small point of disagreement: |
Nevernose |
Sep-08-07 11:21 PM |
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I agree, it has nothing to do with the fall of the USSR |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-08-07 11:26 PM |
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Rome also collapsed because they poisoned their whole population (with lead)... |
IanDB1 |
Sep-09-07 08:44 AM |
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And also "privatized their military too!" (aka Blackwater!) |
calipendence |
Sep-09-07 11:59 AM |
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If I may interject... |
DemoGreen |
Sep-08-07 09:08 PM |
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I'd like to add to your first point |
EnricoFermi |
Sep-09-07 04:47 PM |
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The somewhat longer answer is that those warheads make too big of a boom. |
hootinholler |
Sep-08-07 09:12 PM |
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OK, I'm gonna step into 'tin-foil' land for a minute... |
Rick Myers |
Sep-08-07 09:38 PM |
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Well, a false flag op doesn't fit well with moving them to Barksdale... |
hootinholler |
Sep-08-07 10:02 PM |
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Hoping to remove a warhead while the plane sat unguarded??? |
Rick Myers |
Sep-08-07 11:15 PM |
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Cheney said all they needed was one bomb. |
glitch |
Sep-09-07 12:51 AM |
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Maybe the B-52 dropped on in flight and that's why we're looking for Fossett |
krispos42 |
Sep-09-07 10:54 PM |
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and that was my tin foil when this broke |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-08-07 10:35 PM |
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My theory: |
me b zola |
Sep-09-07 12:45 AM |
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Another thing about the W-80 warheads |
backscatter712 |
Sep-08-07 10:32 PM |
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I know this question would need a physicist to answer ( and I readily admit not being one) |
Wiley50 |
Sep-08-07 11:04 PM |
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Nuclear explosions are hard to produce. |
hootinholler |
Sep-08-07 11:18 PM |
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Plutonium would be a fusion reaction (H-Bomb) |
Rick Myers |
Sep-08-07 11:18 PM |
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No, both plutonium and uranium are fission material |
krispos42 |
Sep-08-07 11:39 PM |
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They are fusion weapons |
krispos42 |
Sep-08-07 11:24 PM |
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I should have known that. My mistake, too late for me!!! |
Rick Myers |
Sep-08-07 11:29 PM |
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And Thanks For The Nuclear Physics Lesson n/t |
Wiley50 |
Sep-09-07 12:07 AM |
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Pardon Me, But this Begs another Question ( although related to my original premise) |
Wiley50 |
Sep-09-07 12:33 AM |
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Fusion is harder to sustain than fission |
hootinholler |
Sep-09-07 01:03 AM |
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I Remember That Too, And It Has Always Amazed\Bothered Me !!! |
WillyT |
Sep-09-07 12:09 PM |
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It's an area that exists for only a tiny fragment of a second |
krispos42 |
Sep-09-07 01:38 AM |
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Dial a yield and the teller-ulam design |
Pavulon |
Sep-09-07 09:08 AM |
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A quick Wikipedia article for you |
backscatter712 |
Sep-09-07 10:10 AM |
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I think the hydrogen isotope is used to increase neutron flux |
DUlover2909 |
Sep-09-07 03:13 PM |
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Dial-a-Yield |
drm604 |
Sep-09-07 02:32 PM |
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I can stab at a guess |
DUlover2909 |
Sep-09-07 03:11 PM |
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Oh com'on there were a couple systems that were |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-08-07 10:34 PM |
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I especially liked the artillery shells that did get produced. n/t |
hootinholler |
Sep-08-07 10:38 PM |
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Atomic Annie!!! |
Rick Myers |
Sep-09-07 01:25 AM |
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It was tractor transportable... |
hootinholler |
Sep-09-07 01:34 PM |
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One theory is actually to raise suspicion. Iran's. |
Flabbergasted |
Sep-08-07 07:55 PM |
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self delete |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-08-07 08:10 PM |
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uhm |
kenfrequed |
Sep-08-07 09:28 PM |
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reason for bombers |
jollyreaper2112 |
Sep-09-07 07:00 PM |
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Kick and Recommend! |
ancient_nomad |
Sep-08-07 07:51 PM |
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These neoconic devils are going to |
femrap |
Sep-08-07 08:07 PM |
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Thanks for keeping on this. |
motocicleta |
Sep-08-07 08:04 PM |
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K&R |
dicksteele |
Sep-08-07 08:06 PM |
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do I need to "duck and cover"? |
kineneb |
Sep-08-07 08:12 PM |
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I can add my own tinfoil scenario to this |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-08-07 08:19 PM |
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This story is so 'Strangelove' it's hard to get your head around it |
Rick Myers |
Sep-08-07 08:30 PM |
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At this pont I don't even expect a public |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-08-07 08:36 PM |
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I would love to see |
bluescribbler |
Sep-09-07 07:19 PM |
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you would need to go to the dungeon for that |
seemslikeadream |
Sep-09-07 09:41 PM |
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Thanks for keeping us up to date |
jimshoes |
Sep-08-07 08:28 PM |
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Which one required further research? |
Hissyspit |
Sep-08-07 08:34 PM |
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There are 2 theories worth investigating... |
Rick Myers |
Sep-08-07 09:23 PM |
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Well, I wasn't sure whether you were aware of the hypothesis that I posted earlier |
Hissyspit |
Sep-08-07 10:07 PM |
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Some of that info is really interesting. |
Rick Myers |
Sep-09-07 01:35 AM |
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Thanks buddy |
seemslikeadream |
Sep-08-07 08:38 PM |
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Armeggedon baby!!! |
Rick Myers |
Sep-08-07 08:48 PM |
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That fits into one of the theories. |
hootinholler |
Sep-08-07 09:37 PM |
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Hey Rick did I point you at that picture? |
sce56 |
Sep-09-07 11:17 AM |
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For those who don't know, here's an AF fact sheet on this missile: |
hootinholler |
Sep-08-07 09:59 PM |
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Is it kinda like this? |
seemslikeadream |
Sep-08-07 10:14 PM |
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I've never seen one in flight. |
hootinholler |
Sep-08-07 10:31 PM |
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These weapons would dig in before exploding, and... |
Rick Myers |
Sep-08-07 11:45 PM |
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What is this fascination with blowing up things -- ???!!! |
defendandprotect |
Sep-09-07 11:38 AM |
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equipped to carry laser-guided conventional and nuclear weapons, is a giant crucifix |
seemslikeadream |
Sep-08-07 10:29 PM |
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If I'm reading your posts correctly... |
warren pease |
Sep-08-07 11:54 PM |
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Check out the Tikkun interview on the MRFF website. |
hootinholler |
Sep-09-07 12:09 AM |
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Jesus fucking christ, so to speak... |
warren pease |
Sep-09-07 12:45 AM |
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I kinda like to call them the Talibornagain. |
hootinholler |
Sep-09-07 12:51 AM |
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We need to keep digging this stuff up |
seemslikeadream |
Sep-09-07 12:25 AM |
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Oh, why bother...? |
warren pease |
Sep-09-07 12:51 AM |
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It's Boykin. He retired this summer. |
Wiley50 |
Sep-09-07 12:52 AM |
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This Boykin?? |
warren pease |
Sep-09-07 01:41 AM |
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Not a matter of either/or... |
dickbearton |
Sep-09-07 11:47 AM |
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Considering how automated the process seems, it could be true... |
Rick Myers |
Sep-09-07 01:03 AM |
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check Yurica Report for good explaination of Dominionists |
kineneb |
Sep-09-07 01:47 AM |
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Nuclear Armageddon? |
seemslikeadream |
Sep-09-07 02:23 AM |
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yup, nutcases galore |
kineneb |
Sep-09-07 03:06 AM |
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Can't speak for anyone else, but that scares the shit out of me. |
Joe Fields |
Sep-09-07 10:38 PM |
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Crosshairs Iran |
seemslikeadream |
Sep-08-07 10:53 PM |
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Rick, just want to applaud and thank you for your vigilence |
chill_wind |
Sep-08-07 11:02 PM |
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Christian Embassy |
seemslikeadream |
Sep-08-07 11:13 PM |
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From the Tikkun interview: |
hootinholler |
Sep-09-07 12:05 AM |
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We are facing an absolute fundamentalist Christianization預 Talibanization熔f the U.S. Marine Corps, |
seemslikeadream |
Sep-09-07 12:17 AM |
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And he just made the case for the draft |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-09-07 12:37 AM |
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Yeah, I think I'll be picking up his book tomorrow. n/t |
hootinholler |
Sep-09-07 12:46 AM |
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And we have seen this evolving |
nadinbrzezinski |
Sep-09-07 12:25 AM |
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mega-evangelical church has opened up in our country every 48 hours. |
seemslikeadream |
Sep-09-07 12:28 AM |
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Oh God, I have been saying that for years now, and have advanced the years from '33-'37 |
tom_paine |
Sep-09-07 02:24 AM |
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5 or 6? |
Baby Snooks |
Sep-09-07 12:23 AM |
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The current info says 6. Six from Minot to Barksdale. |
Rick Myers |
Sep-09-07 12:57 AM |
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Where are they now? |
warren pease |
Sep-09-07 01:48 AM |
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That's the question I've been mulling over for a couple of days now. |
hootinholler |
Sep-09-07 01:20 PM |
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That's my assumption too, ... |
warren pease |
Sep-09-07 03:04 PM |
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This was no accident |
MrScorpio |
Sep-09-07 12:24 AM |
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The Dominionists must be outed |
seemslikeadream |
Sep-09-07 12:26 AM |
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Glad to have you aboard, my friend!!! |
Rick Myers |
Sep-09-07 12:52 AM |
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I refuse to believe that this was a such a collosal fuck up |
MrScorpio |
Sep-09-07 01:29 AM |
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Ha ha ha I knew it ....... |
doublethink |
Sep-09-07 12:35 AM |
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I will go and look but maybe you know about that time |
seemslikeadream |
Sep-09-07 12:39 AM |
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Heck I have no idea of the time frame, few days ago ...... sorry ... |
doublethink |
Sep-09-07 01:13 AM |
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Don't Forget that the "10 Hours" story is only the word of an AF press release. |
Wiley50 |
Sep-09-07 01:20 AM |
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Thanks Wiely50 ...... |
doublethink |
Sep-09-07 01:27 AM |
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As well as the date Aug 30 |
Venus Dog |
Sep-09-07 08:45 AM |
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UNBELIEVABLE. I知 not sure where to begin. |
seemslikeadream |
Sep-09-07 12:45 AM |
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This little fairy tale doesn't hold up to the slightest scrutiny. |
seemslikeadream |
Sep-09-07 12:53 AM |
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Thank you so much for mining this information!!! |
Rick Myers |
Sep-09-07 01:22 AM |
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Dude, I took the same oath as you when I enlisted. |
hootinholler |
Sep-09-07 01:36 AM |
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Military v. Cheney Strangelove |
RainDog |
Sep-09-07 03:54 AM |
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Thanks for all your information! |
DemReadingDU |
Sep-09-07 07:03 AM |
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Nuclear Security |
Stalwart |
Sep-09-07 03:17 PM |
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Dominionist Christianity which welcomes an Apocalyptic confrontation between the USA and Islam |
seemslikeadream |
Sep-09-07 02:16 AM |
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Does not this scenario just scream out for some of the dems on any of |
acmavm |
Sep-09-07 08:26 AM |
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Are the press asking Repugs/Dems -- prez candidates about this "incident" -- ????? |
defendandprotect |
Sep-09-07 11:47 AM |
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Could the target for these nukes be Eretrea? |
IanDB1 |
Sep-09-07 08:44 AM |
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No Stealth Jets Dropping B61mod11 |
Pavulon |
Sep-09-07 09:01 AM |
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Alcoa Loves you. Here is an alternate point |
Pavulon |
Sep-09-07 08:56 AM |
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Um check out the data sheet above. |
hootinholler |
Sep-09-07 12:41 PM |
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B61mod11 |
Pavulon |
Sep-09-07 05:10 PM |
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Anybody figured out yet how long it would take a B-52 with this payload |
Venus Dog |
Sep-09-07 08:58 AM |
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pretty normal flight time. |
bonzotex |
Sep-09-07 10:21 AM |
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I checked the distance and flight time |
Rick Myers |
Sep-09-07 01:02 PM |
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One other aspect of this affair |
IDemo |
Sep-09-07 10:42 AM |
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Pretty sure |
Pavulon |
Sep-09-07 10:47 AM |
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Thanks for pointing that out |
IDemo |
Sep-09-07 11:01 AM |
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Thanks for keeping this story alive |
bonzotex |
Sep-09-07 10:47 AM |
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I Think, Maybe, You Have Overlooked Something Important Here, Bonzotex |
Wiley50 |
Sep-09-07 12:36 PM |
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There are nukes there now |
Pavulon |
Sep-09-07 05:16 PM |
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not overlooking that part completely.... |
bonzotex |
Sep-09-07 05:34 PM |
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In an article regarding the Sept 14 stand-down, I found this |
Spazito |
Sep-09-07 11:00 AM |
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Did Your Link Get Scrubbed, Or Moved ??? |
WillyT |
Sep-09-07 12:36 PM |
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Hmmm, very strange... |
Spazito |
Sep-09-07 10:33 PM |
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I smell Cheney. |
smoogatz |
Sep-09-07 11:41 AM |
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Did you catch this synopsis ....... ? |
doublethink |
Sep-09-07 12:35 PM |
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Thanks for sticking with the story, Rick-!! Can we be sure this is the first time this happened--?? |
defendandprotect |
Sep-09-07 11:52 AM |
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thanks for this thread |
freedomfries |
Sep-09-07 12:04 PM |
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Question re Dominionist doctrine vs US support for Israel... |
warren pease |
Sep-09-07 12:16 PM |
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Not that it makes sense, but... |
hootinholler |
Sep-09-07 01:55 PM |
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So the neocons are just playing nice with the dominionist... |
Hotler |
Sep-09-07 02:26 PM |
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They are not playing nice... |
hootinholler |
Sep-09-07 02:55 PM |
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Repost -- lost in the threads above: |
warren pease |
Sep-09-07 12:19 PM |
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One question looms large and I |
jimshoes |
Sep-09-07 01:34 PM |
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Drawing a possibly incorrect conclusion... |
warren pease |
Sep-09-07 02:55 PM |
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Portland is my choice for a false flag nuke attack if one is in the works. |
hootinholler |
Sep-09-07 03:04 PM |
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Playing nice with DHS... |
warren pease |
Sep-09-07 03:54 PM |
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I See You've Been Reading My Stuff, Warren. i'm Flattered |
Wiley50 |
Sep-09-07 09:38 PM |
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Thinking like me can be hazardous to your mental stability... |
warren pease |
Sep-10-07 12:00 AM |
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One other recent addition |
PATRICK |
Sep-09-07 06:31 PM |
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12 missiles left 6 of them were nukes |
seemslikeadream |
Sep-09-07 06:44 PM |
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i agree it cannot be an accident. there are to many redundancies for it too happen. IMHO |
spanone |
Sep-09-07 12:36 PM |
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Ya Gotta Love THIS: |
WillyT |
Sep-09-07 12:51 PM |
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"Our enemies" and "peaceniks" are one and the same?? |
IDemo |
Sep-09-07 01:30 PM |
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Ok, try this one |
Holly_Hobby |
Sep-09-07 02:49 PM |
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Things that make you go |
jimshoes |
Sep-09-07 03:25 PM |
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40 years nothing like this has ever happened |
seemslikeadream |
Sep-09-07 03:33 PM |
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New article from this AM: |
hootinholler |
Sep-09-07 03:09 PM |
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we appreciate these updates and come to depend on them.. |
peacetheonlyway |
Sep-09-07 03:50 PM |
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Christian Fascists - georgie is just not radical enough |
seemslikeadream |
Sep-09-07 04:23 PM |
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Chris Hedges: America痴 Holy Warriors |
seemslikeadream |
Sep-09-07 04:30 PM |
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ANYONE HERE WANT TO GOOGLE BOMB THIS STORY? |
seemslikeadream |
Sep-09-07 04:46 PM |
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Rick Myers |
Diclotican |
Sep-10-07 12:48 AM |
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Kick nt |
TheGoldenRule |
Sep-10-07 09:00 AM |
#167 |