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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 11:07 PM
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58. That intrusiveness is how women feel
when we know it's happened to us. And it does happen to us, and a lot of us find out about it afterwards. (You can count me in that group - thank you very much, co-workers. And - it was an entire group of male coworkers, not "one bad apple"). It doesn't suddenly become piggish if and only if the woman finds out.

It's not okay to spy on people without their knowledge. That's pretty basic stuff. If you know they'd be pissed off if they found out, that's a clue you're doing something wrong, no?

Heck, think how pissed off people get about the eavesdropping bill. We're pissed even if we don't know specifically that it's our phone calls being recorded, even if all they record is a cell phone call that we even made in public.
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  -Here's a question I've wondered about for years regarding public toilets. MyPetRock  Sep-02-07 07:55 PM   #0 
  - Money.  NC_Nurse   Sep-02-07 07:57 PM   #1 
  - But in Europe they're everywhere.  MyPetRock   Sep-02-07 07:58 PM   #3 
     - So is free healthcare and college.  Katherine Brengle   Sep-02-07 09:23 PM   #39 
  - Era of the Restroom Attendent should be brought back...  hlthe2b   Sep-02-07 07:58 PM   #2 
  - Except that they usually charge.  MyPetRock   Sep-02-07 08:00 PM   #6 
  - Psst. "Genteel"  kenny blankenship   Sep-02-07 08:22 PM   #20 
  - That was an unfortunate misspell, wasn't it....LOL.  hlthe2b   Sep-02-07 08:26 PM   #25 
  - I agree. I don't think people would be nearly as disgusting as they are in public restrooms  Katherine Brengle   Sep-02-07 09:24 PM   #41 
  - It will never come back to any extent...  hlthe2b   Sep-02-07 09:46 PM   #45 
  - Ugh...  sanguinivorous   Sep-02-07 11:29 PM   #59 
  - Actually, I think it has to do with sanitizing. In SOME public facilities,  napi21   Sep-02-07 07:59 PM   #4 
  - True. It DOES make it easier to sanitize the place.  Buns_of_Fire   Sep-02-07 08:25 PM   #23 
  - They don't enclose them because that would encourage anonymous sex  kenny blankenship   Sep-02-07 08:00 PM   #5 
  - Europe still had unisex lavatories last time I was there, too.  TahitiNut   Sep-02-07 08:00 PM   #7 
  - Unisex bathroom is all US needs for the full happiness.  lizzy   Sep-02-07 08:07 PM   #11 
  - I have a problem with it  lwfern   Sep-02-07 08:09 PM   #12 
     - I would have a problem with unisex toilets  lizzy   Sep-02-07 08:12 PM   #13 
     - I don't care where they tap their feet.  lwfern   Sep-02-07 08:57 PM   #35 
     - I Think Your Safe.  Toasterlad   Sep-02-07 08:26 PM   #24 
     - I look at it this way:  lwfern   Sep-02-07 08:55 PM   #34 
        - And Potential Criminals Are Not Criminals.  Toasterlad   Sep-02-07 09:44 PM   #44 
        - Can you go back and look at the post I was responding to initially?  lwfern   Sep-02-07 09:52 PM   #47 
           - Ah. No Wonder We Weren't Getting Anywhere. My Bad.  Toasterlad   Sep-02-07 10:11 PM   #48 
              - Well, there you go  lwfern   Sep-02-07 10:17 PM   #49 
                 - I Don't See How Women Are Being Treated Unfairly In That Situation.  Toasterlad   Sep-02-07 10:28 PM   #51 
                    - Well you wouldn't go right up to a stranger on the street,  lwfern   Sep-02-07 10:33 PM   #53 
                       - The Difference is the Intrusion.  Toasterlad   Sep-02-07 10:42 PM   #54 
                          - Okay, stay with me here  lwfern   Sep-02-07 10:49 PM   #55 
                             - I'd Imagine He'd Be Pissed (I Myself Would Be Flattered)  Toasterlad   Sep-02-07 10:56 PM   #56 
                                - That intrusiveness is how women feel  lwfern   Sep-02-07 11:07 PM   #58 
                                   - Nope, Can't Agree.  Toasterlad   Sep-02-07 11:30 PM   #60 
                                      - It's not really something to "agree with"  lwfern   Sep-02-07 11:54 PM   #62 
                                         - I Meant the Definition of Spying.  Toasterlad   Sep-03-07 12:32 AM   #63 
                                            - You said you were pissed  lwfern   Sep-03-07 12:44 AM   #65 
                                               - I WAS Pissed. I Got Over It.. Now, It's Just an Amusing Story to Share.  Toasterlad   Sep-03-07 12:52 AM   #66 
                                               - Did you see the polls I posted a while ago related to that?  lwfern   Sep-03-07 01:05 AM   #68 
                                               - Those Polls Predate Me.  Toasterlad   Sep-03-07 01:45 AM   #69 
        - "famous survey?"  depakid   Sep-02-07 11:02 PM   #57 
           - For those who don't feel like googling  lwfern   Sep-03-07 12:41 AM   #64 
              - From an issue of Ms. Magazine?  depakid   Sep-03-07 12:58 AM   #67 
     - Well, the fact of the matter is ....  TahitiNut   Sep-02-07 09:33 PM   #42 
  - In the 21st Century there is no such thing as total privacy  whistle   Sep-02-07 08:01 PM   #8 
  - In some of the new restaurants here, they have what you describe...  YellowRubberDuckie   Sep-02-07 08:03 PM   #9 
  - Some department stores have them as well  dflprincess   Sep-02-07 08:14 PM   #15 
  - The alter of greed ,is a bigger need than privacy.  orpupilofnature57   Sep-02-07 08:04 PM   #10 
  - You mean for guys pissing? Urinals seem like enough privacy to me.  BlooInBloo   Sep-02-07 08:13 PM   #14 
  - Well, being a woman, I don't do urinals.  MyPetRock   Sep-02-07 08:15 PM   #16 
     - oops (blush)  BlooInBloo   Sep-02-07 08:17 PM   #17 
        - No problem, you couldn't have known!  MyPetRock   Sep-02-07 08:24 PM   #22 
  - Such stalls are just really cheap hotel rooms  cgrindley   Sep-02-07 08:19 PM   #18 
  - So you think stalls are exposed a bit to keep out the homeless?  MyPetRock   Sep-02-07 08:23 PM   #21 
     - Well, it's certainly one of many good reasons  cgrindley   Sep-03-07 08:41 AM   #74 
  - Other.  Toasterlad   Sep-02-07 08:19 PM   #19 
  - What I'm talking about is not sexual behavior.  MyPetRock   Sep-02-07 08:28 PM   #26 
  - How Much More Privacy Could You Want?  Toasterlad   Sep-02-07 08:42 PM   #30 
     - Whatever friend.  MyPetRock   Sep-02-07 08:46 PM   #31 
        - Seriously, No Offense.  Toasterlad   Sep-02-07 08:55 PM   #33 
  - I'm a 50 yr old SWM  qdemn7   Sep-02-07 10:30 PM   #52 
  - Where in the world do you live? All the women's bathroom stalls  trudyco   Sep-02-07 08:33 PM   #27 
  - No, where do you live? I have yet to see a completely enclosed  lizzy   Sep-02-07 08:34 PM   #28 
  - I didn't make the claim, but perhaps the poster is referring to the fact that...  JVS   Sep-03-07 01:58 AM   #70 
  - You've been in both men's and women's stalls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  MyPetRock   Sep-02-07 08:35 PM   #29 
  - Huh? there is space above and below the dividers in most women's bathrooms. nt  MookieWilson   Sep-02-07 09:23 PM   #40 
  - It's a SAFETY issue.  garybeck   Sep-02-07 08:48 PM   #32 
  - That's fine for a foot gap  lwfern   Sep-02-07 09:02 PM   #37 
  - Yeah...  high density   Sep-02-07 10:20 PM   #50 
  - There actually is a standard minimum gap that is required... n/t  garybeck   Sep-03-07 02:15 AM   #71 
  - And on the flip side...  Withywindle   Sep-02-07 11:39 PM   #61 
  - Because Halliburton doesn't have the contract yet!!1 n/t  UTUSN   Sep-02-07 08:57 PM   #36 
  - It helps air circulation. nt  MookieWilson   Sep-02-07 09:22 PM   #38 
  - I could only imagine the smell of opening the door to a toilet that is totally enclosed. Yuck! n/t  MiltonF   Sep-02-07 09:37 PM   #43 
  - The only places I find totally enclosed bathrooms are in expensive restaurants and hotels/resorts.  AZBlue   Sep-02-07 09:47 PM   #46 
  - if stalls are sealed off top to bottom who are you gonna ask to hand  orleans   Sep-03-07 02:53 AM   #72 
  - They should cause for one thing for women  Raine   Sep-03-07 02:56 AM   #73 

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