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116. Immigrants Want to Do/Be What the Controlling Interests Happen to Respect
Immigrants want the American Dream - the one where you work your ass off, play it smart, save money, take some risks with it, contribute to your community, and go onto thrive.

The natural-born citizens they are supplanting are the ones who bought the middle-class servant dream; get the safe job, punch in, punch out, spend your life in labor for a company that is loyal to you.

Those companies aren't loyal anymore, and many multi-generation Americans still haven't made the necessary adjustments to adapt and thrive by taking risks.
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  -Student Aid for Illegal Immigrants Sparks Debate The Straight Story  Aug-30-07 02:32 PM   #0 
  - The last thing we want is to give people an education.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-30-07 02:35 PM   #1 
  - Yeah, especially those American citizens.  AZBlue   Aug-30-07 10:53 PM   #80 
     - I don't think it's an either/or, Silly.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-31-07 11:42 AM   #97 
        - Of course it is, silly.  AZBlue   Aug-31-07 11:45 AM   #98 
           - There's not enough to go around for 4.3 GPA students?  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-31-07 11:46 AM   #99 
              - I was one of those students in CA. There are need-based  sfexpat2000   Aug-31-07 01:09 PM   #113 
              - BWAHAHAH  Evoman   Aug-31-07 01:33 PM   #119 
              - Glad you got something good!  AZBlue   Aug-31-07 10:20 PM   #171 
              - It's never easy, is it? We're too busy funding weapons that go missing.  sfexpat2000   Aug-31-07 11:07 PM   #179 
              - Well, I can tell you there isn't as much as you think to go around...  Blue Belle   Aug-31-07 10:31 PM   #174 
                 - I know Pell Grants have been cut and that's not only a shame but stupid.  sfexpat2000   Aug-31-07 11:05 PM   #178 
                    - I have a bunch of smaller scholarships too...  Blue Belle   Sep-01-07 12:21 AM   #186 
                       - It is a struggle. I'm going back for another degree and am dealing  sfexpat2000   Sep-01-07 01:06 AM   #187 
                          - I am just trying to complete my bachelor's...  Blue Belle   Sep-01-07 12:22 PM   #193 
                             - The GRE is about practicing the testing situation.  sfexpat2000   Sep-01-07 12:32 PM   #195 
                                - Math is the problem...  Blue Belle   Sep-01-07 04:06 PM   #197 
                                   - My GRE score proved I should never be entrusted with air traffic control  sfexpat2000   Sep-01-07 07:22 PM   #198 
                                      - I know you're probably right... I'm still worried.  Blue Belle   Sep-02-07 01:21 PM   #203 
                                         - Worry may be a form of excitement, which can help boost you  sfexpat2000   Sep-02-07 01:55 PM   #204 
                                            - I'll keep you posted.  Blue Belle   Sep-02-07 03:05 PM   #205 
                                               - I used one of those books you can buy at any book store  sfexpat2000   Sep-02-07 03:11 PM   #208 
                                                  - Thanks!  Blue Belle   Sep-02-07 03:33 PM   #209 
              - I had a 4.8 on a 5.0 scale and a 1380 SAT and I got $1500 total  Progressive_In_NC   Aug-31-07 03:09 PM   #134 
              - So you got a less than perfect GPA...  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-31-07 03:22 PM   #136 
                 - Not oppressed, just shocked at how little aid was available for someone with fairly low income  Progressive_In_NC   Aug-31-07 03:33 PM   #142 
                 - 4.8 out of 5.0 deserves nothing???  AZBlue   Aug-31-07 10:24 PM   #173 
              - Only 4.3 students should get scholarships?? Not much of a rebuttal there.  AZBlue   Aug-31-07 10:23 PM   #172 
  - BULLSHIT! I am a friggin' American who has worked for decades and  acmavm   Aug-30-07 02:37 PM   #2 
  - Um.....  Evoman   Aug-30-07 04:17 PM   #4 
  - Knock it off. This 'politcally correct' bullshit just doesn't cut it anymore. The  acmavm   Aug-30-07 04:33 PM   #5 
  - She was 7.  Evoman   Aug-30-07 04:41 PM   #6 
  - I'll tell you what, you put her and any other illegal through school. Pay for  acmavm   Aug-30-07 04:50 PM   #7 
     - I would...I'd start a fund for her if I could.  Evoman   Aug-30-07 04:56 PM   #9 
     - Stating that Americans should foot the bills for educating illegal aliens.  acmavm   Aug-30-07 05:14 PM   #15 
        - OWE HER?  Evoman   Aug-30-07 05:26 PM   #18 
        - Yes, we need and educated workforce. Of people who are SUPPOSED  acmavm   Aug-30-07 05:32 PM   #24 
           - It wasn't her fault her parents came here illegally.  Starbucks Anarchist   Aug-30-07 05:58 PM   #32 
           - But...them...them mexicans/SA's are a takin' us jobs.  Evoman   Aug-30-07 06:03 PM   #35 
           - Mexico is in South America?  proud2Blib   Aug-30-07 06:17 PM   #39 
              - Yeah yeah.  Evoman   Aug-30-07 07:02 PM   #61 
                 - Would you have gotten that scholarship if you were in Canada illegally?  Marrah_G   Aug-31-07 12:30 PM   #100 
                 - Yeah, probably.  Evoman   Aug-31-07 12:42 PM   #103 
                    - You're lucky actually.  kineta   Aug-31-07 01:01 PM   #111 
                       - Yes. I know how lucky I am.  Evoman   Aug-31-07 01:10 PM   #114 
                 - Canada Would NEVER  Megahurtz   Aug-31-07 02:56 PM   #132 
           - What part of her saying illegals should get scholarships is escaping you?  acmavm   Aug-30-07 06:13 PM   #36 
              - Violating immigration policy is a civil offense  proud2Blib   Aug-30-07 06:19 PM   #41 
              - Wrong Ms. I have three college degrees...  acmavm   Aug-30-07 06:28 PM   #44 
                 - Never mind.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-30-07 06:29 PM   #45 
                 - So the immigration lawyer I know who defends immigrants in court  proud2Blib   Aug-30-07 06:34 PM   #49 
                    - I think you're right.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-30-07 06:36 PM   #51 
                       - Exactly.  proud2Blib   Aug-30-07 09:27 PM   #65 
              - You act like any illegal immigrant will get aid.  Starbucks Anarchist   Aug-30-07 06:30 PM   #47 
              - I don't think I really care about her GPA. I worry about poor black kids  acmavm   Aug-30-07 06:38 PM   #52 
                 - Are you the scarecrow from The Wizard of Oz?  Starbucks Anarchist   Aug-30-07 06:46 PM   #53 
                 - You're missing the bigger picture here  knight_of_the_star   Aug-31-07 11:42 PM   #183 
                 - If it's really about poor black kids...  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-30-07 06:48 PM   #54 
                 - I used me and mine as an example of what I know PERSONALLY. I am  acmavm   Aug-30-07 06:51 PM   #55 
                    - Uh huh.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-30-07 06:52 PM   #56 
                       - You're just pissed because I called you and people like you on your  acmavm   Aug-30-07 06:57 PM   #58 
                          - What hypocrisy?  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-30-07 06:59 PM   #60 
                          - I wonder why you'd equate supporting this young woman with  sfexpat2000   Aug-31-07 01:59 PM   #122 
                             - I Think The Point Is  Megahurtz   Aug-31-07 03:16 PM   #135 
                             - "Fuck the Racial Shit"? I respectfully beg to differ.  sfexpat2000   Aug-31-07 03:26 PM   #139 
                             - History Is Gone  Megahurtz   Aug-31-07 03:38 PM   #145 
                             - It's not history if it's still happening. And it seems to me to be  sfexpat2000   Aug-31-07 03:50 PM   #150 
                             - Who's Blaming Any Victims?  Megahurtz   Aug-31-07 03:56 PM   #153 
                             - You did.  sfexpat2000   Aug-31-07 04:42 PM   #158 
                             - Thank you!  coco77   Aug-31-07 03:36 PM   #144 
                             - Your Welcome!  Megahurtz   Aug-31-07 04:02 PM   #155 
                             - You notice if anything comes up...  coco77   Aug-31-07 04:30 PM   #157 
                             - That's right. Democrats should just take clearly xenophobic positions  sfexpat2000   Aug-31-07 11:38 PM   #182 
                             - What do you want them to say...  coco77   Sep-01-07 11:11 AM   #192 
                             - There were no Mexican hijackers on those plane on 9/11  sfexpat2000   Sep-01-07 12:26 PM   #194 
                             - You and I agree on a lot except for...  coco77   Sep-01-07 01:54 PM   #196 
                             - Imho, we need to push away the fear talk and really look at the issues.  sfexpat2000   Sep-01-07 07:24 PM   #199 
                 - Man, there is so only so much compassion I can muster.  Evoman   Aug-30-07 06:55 PM   #57 
                 - Immigrants Want to Do/Be What the Controlling Interests Happen to Respect  Crisco   Aug-31-07 01:23 PM   #116 
                 - HERE! HERE!  Megahurtz   Aug-31-07 03:01 PM   #133 
                    - You know what's astounding?  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-31-07 03:24 PM   #137 
                    - What is ignorant is that we are being told that giving this girl a scholarship  proud2Blib   Aug-31-07 03:46 PM   #149 
              - She fucking EARNED it  alarimer   Aug-30-07 06:59 PM   #59 
              - A lot of native Americans have a 4.3 GPA...  Blue Belle   Aug-31-07 10:46 PM   #176 
              - That's backwards. When we begin to treat undocumented people  sfexpat2000   Aug-31-07 01:44 PM   #120 
           - The part where she is SEVEN  Evoman   Aug-30-07 05:59 PM   #33 
           - Actually, an educated workforce will expect to be paid a living wage  mycritters2   Aug-31-07 01:06 PM   #112 
        - There was a woman I met in Slidell  lwfern   Aug-30-07 09:15 PM   #64 
           - She was no doubt helping it, but  Mr. Blonde   Aug-30-07 10:45 PM   #79 
              - ah, but she was a US citizen.  lwfern   Aug-30-07 10:54 PM   #81 
                 - Why would I be mad at Castro for it?  Mr. Blonde   Aug-30-07 11:04 PM   #83 
                 - I bring it up to highlight the issues raised here  lwfern   Aug-30-07 11:10 PM   #84 
                    - Concerned, maybe. Equally concerned, no way  Mr. Blonde   Aug-30-07 11:29 PM   #86 
                       - "I have a hard time being as concerned ...  lwfern   Aug-30-07 11:38 PM   #88 
                       - I mean what I said  Mr. Blonde   Aug-31-07 01:07 AM   #90 
                          - This is why, in a disaster,  lwfern   Aug-31-07 09:06 AM   #96 
                             - I don't believe I'm inherently entitled to more  Mr. Blonde   Aug-31-07 11:30 PM   #181 
                             - "Let them eat cake"  lwfern   Sep-01-07 12:18 AM   #185 
                             - Or it could just be common sense "Clan Loyalty."  IdaBriggs   Sep-01-07 07:03 AM   #188 
                                - I understand the family first thing  lwfern   Sep-01-07 09:00 AM   #189 
                                   - I am using "Clan" in the historical (I think?) Scottish sense --  IdaBriggs   Sep-01-07 10:30 AM   #190 
                                   - "never at the expense of our own"  lwfern   Sep-01-07 10:41 AM   #191 
                       - And through this example...  LanternWaste   Aug-31-07 02:10 PM   #125 
                          - OK fine they are imaginary lines  Mr. Blonde   Aug-31-07 11:26 PM   #180 
                 - So Castro is giving scolarships to people who enter cuba illegally?  Marrah_G   Aug-31-07 12:33 PM   #101 
                    - He's giving scholarships to people  lwfern   Aug-31-07 05:28 PM   #163 
     - If whoever gives that scholarship is willing, why not?  treestar   Aug-30-07 10:04 PM   #74 
  - Wow how progressive of you!  proud2Blib   Aug-30-07 05:09 PM   #13 
  - How dare you call me ignorant. If it was up to people like the only persons  acmavm   Aug-30-07 05:27 PM   #19 
     - Thank You! Thank You! Thank you!  coco77   Aug-31-07 03:40 PM   #147 
  - It's logical consequence. If the United States continues to disrupt  sfexpat2000   Aug-31-07 01:57 PM   #121 
  - You're darn right!  LanternWaste   Aug-31-07 02:02 PM   #124 
  - And I DO Agree. n/t  Megahurtz   Aug-31-07 02:49 PM   #131 
  - Thank you!  coco77   Aug-31-07 03:34 PM   #143 
  - You say "your country". Where are you from?  kineta   Aug-31-07 12:58 PM   #110 
  - You and your kids are not eligible for in state tuition?  proud2Blib   Aug-30-07 04:54 PM   #8 
  - Do you have any idea what tuition is to the University of Nebraska at  acmavm   Aug-30-07 05:02 PM   #12 
     - If your kids had 4.3 GPAs, they would be eligible for scholarships too  proud2Blib   Aug-30-07 05:14 PM   #16 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-07 05:29 PM   #20 
           - Better them than you.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-30-07 05:30 PM   #23 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-07 05:34 PM   #25 
              - Think about it.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-30-07 05:46 PM   #26 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-07 05:47 PM   #27 
                    - You described it in post #2.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-30-07 05:48 PM   #28 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-07 05:51 PM   #29 
                          - I'm the one without character?  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-30-07 05:54 PM   #31 
              - Gee I wonder where the scholarship would be more wisely spent?  proud2Blib   Aug-30-07 05:53 PM   #30 
                 - On poor black kids from New Orleans. On the overlooked and forgotten  acmavm   Aug-30-07 06:29 PM   #46 
                    - You're a poor black kid from an Indian Reservation?  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-30-07 06:31 PM   #48 
                    - How About Poor White Kids Too.  Megahurtz   Aug-31-07 03:24 PM   #138 
                       - White kids are already allowed to apply for financial aid.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-31-07 03:29 PM   #141 
                          - I'm Just Looking At  Megahurtz   Aug-31-07 03:51 PM   #151 
                             - Of course people are bringing up race.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-31-07 03:55 PM   #152 
                                - I Don't Think It's About Race.  Megahurtz   Aug-31-07 03:59 PM   #154 
                                   - You think this kid shouldn't be given a college education.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-31-07 04:06 PM   #156 
                                      - I Know Plenty.  Megahurtz   Aug-31-07 05:02 PM   #160 
                                         - Maybe you should have tried harder in school.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-31-07 05:09 PM   #162 
                                            - "You don't strike me as college material."  Megahurtz   Aug-31-07 05:57 PM   #165 
                                               - Do you have a 4.3 GPA?  proud2Blib   Aug-31-07 08:29 PM   #166 
  - What's your excuse...  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-30-07 05:29 PM   #21 
  - But they need degrees to do the jobs Americans won't do.  Cobalt Violet   Aug-30-07 09:31 PM   #66 
  - Sure, there's a shortage of RNs  treestar   Aug-30-07 10:00 PM   #72 
  - What a load of racist nonsense. That "illegals get special treatment" crap again?  dicksteele   Sep-02-07 07:06 AM   #201 
  - Shouldn't we be working on making sure CITIZENS and LEGAL RESIDENTS can afford college FIRST?  Odin2005   Aug-30-07 03:27 PM   #3 
  - Which citizens with a 4.3 GPA can't get scholarship money?  proud2Blib   Aug-30-07 05:02 PM   #11 
  - Maybe she should apply at a college in the country of which she is a  acmavm   Aug-30-07 05:12 PM   #14 
  - She came here when she was SEVEN YEARS OLD  proud2Blib   Aug-30-07 05:16 PM   #17 
  - Try to stay with the program here. The issue is advocating scholarships  acmavm   Aug-30-07 05:30 PM   #22 
     - The issue is denying a scholarship to a girl with a 4.3 GPA  proud2Blib   Aug-30-07 06:01 PM   #34 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-07 06:18 PM   #40 
        - Uh, what?  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-30-07 06:20 PM   #42 
     - I'll jump in here I guess (since I did post the OP...)  The Straight Story   Aug-30-07 06:17 PM   #37 
        - Excellent Idea  Ohio Joe   Aug-31-07 02:01 PM   #123 
  - They probably tried - the laws are restrictrive - undocumented  treestar   Aug-30-07 10:01 PM   #73 
  - Is a 4.3 good? I got a 3.7 on a 4.0 scale and was never offered a full ride. n/t  MiltonF   Aug-30-07 06:17 PM   #38 
  - I had a 3.8 and got a grant  proud2Blib   Aug-30-07 06:24 PM   #43 
  - 4.3 = A+ in some schools, while others just cap at 4.0. (nt)  Posteritatis   Aug-30-07 06:34 PM   #50 
  - Yes, it's better than straight A's  alarimer   Aug-30-07 07:06 PM   #62 
  - I was thinking her school was on a 5.0 rating scale.  MiltonF   Aug-30-07 08:59 PM   #63 
  - I was a frickin' National Merit Scholar and didn't get a free ride. Had to work a Work-Study job.  kath   Aug-30-07 09:57 PM   #70 
     - Me too!  Piltdown13   Aug-31-07 09:27 PM   #170 
  - Plenty.  Cobalt Violet   Aug-30-07 09:33 PM   #67 
  - Nice link!  proud2Blib   Aug-31-07 08:21 AM   #93 
     - There is no link for you to the America in which I live.  Cobalt Violet   Aug-31-07 01:26 PM   #117 
        - No I am not sheltered;  proud2Blib   Aug-31-07 02:12 PM   #126 
  - LOADS!  AZBlue   Aug-30-07 10:55 PM   #82 
  - Yeah, BUT SHE GOT THEM.  Evoman   Aug-31-07 12:40 PM   #102 
     - In fact, I think I want to petition the Canadian goverment to bring people like her here.  Evoman   Aug-31-07 12:53 PM   #107 
     - Oh, many citizens of our country are not just FUCKING STUPID  missb   Aug-31-07 01:27 PM   #118 
        - Multiple ad hominems and red herrings  knight_of_the_star   Aug-31-07 11:48 PM   #184 
  - How long has it been since you applied for a college scholarship?  Blue Belle   Aug-31-07 11:00 PM   #177 
  - Anybody who is smart will be an asset  treestar   Aug-30-07 09:57 PM   #71 
  - LOL!  Megahurtz   Aug-31-07 03:28 PM   #140 
  - Well here in Kansas she would get instate tuition  proud2Blib   Aug-30-07 05:01 PM   #10 
  - It's funny because it's always white folks who are screaming for merit-based awards.  BlooInBloo   Aug-30-07 09:34 PM   #68 
  - What better proof could there be of the stupidity of our immigration laws  treestar   Aug-30-07 09:54 PM   #69 
  - One possible problem there...  DuStrange   Aug-30-07 10:32 PM   #77 
  - the moral of the story  judaspriestess   Aug-30-07 10:17 PM   #75 
  - I have a hard time with this one  Mr. Blonde   Aug-30-07 10:22 PM   #76 
  - Would you like to comment on post 64?  lwfern   Aug-30-07 10:33 PM   #78 
  - She's not being rewarded for anyone's sins but for working  sfexpat2000   Aug-31-07 12:49 PM   #104 
     - Thats what people here are not understanding.  Evoman   Aug-31-07 12:55 PM   #109 
        - Somewhere, a recruiter is tearing her hair out in handfulls. n/t  sfexpat2000   Aug-31-07 01:11 PM   #115 
  - speaking as a California taxpayer and student, I'd be glad to see her in the next desk over  LeftyMom   Aug-30-07 11:14 PM   #85 
  - I'm Canadian. I demand you Yankees pay for my education  provis99   Aug-30-07 11:32 PM   #87 
  - "How is the situation any different" Really? You see no difference?  SemiCharmedQuark   Aug-30-07 11:54 PM   #89 
  - No. I see no difference.  provis99   Aug-31-07 03:28 AM   #91 
     - Did you even read my post?  SemiCharmedQuark   Aug-31-07 03:51 AM   #92 
     - Some of the responses in this thread make me want to puke  proud2Blib   Aug-31-07 08:28 AM   #94 
        - . . .  sfexpat2000   Aug-31-07 12:49 PM   #105 
     - Do you have a 4.3 GPA?  proud2Blib   Aug-31-07 02:19 PM   #129 
     - Good Post I Agree! n/t  Megahurtz   Aug-31-07 05:07 PM   #161 
  - That's not the same thing  proud2Blib   Aug-31-07 02:17 PM   #128 
  - No  OzarkDem   Aug-31-07 08:48 AM   #95 
  - Why not?  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-31-07 12:52 PM   #106 
     - She won't be an exception  OzarkDem   Aug-31-07 05:38 PM   #164 
        - Why should she go back to Mexico?  proud2Blib   Aug-31-07 08:41 PM   #167 
  - I want to give illegal aliens 25,000 dollars in student loan debt with 7 percent interest on top  Selatius   Aug-31-07 12:54 PM   #108 
  - A scholarship is not the same as a loan.  proud2Blib   Aug-31-07 02:20 PM   #130 
  - Even if given a loan, they won't be required to pay it back  Truth Hurts A Lot   Aug-31-07 04:48 PM   #159 
     - She isn't being offered a loan  proud2Blib   Aug-31-07 08:43 PM   #168 
  - It's always something. My family came here legally  sfexpat2000   Aug-31-07 02:15 PM   #127 
  - What are entitlement grants?  Progressive_In_NC   Aug-31-07 03:39 PM   #146 
  - Sounds like achievement  proud2Blib   Aug-31-07 08:44 PM   #169 
  - Entitlements aren't limited to a certain number of awarded grants yearly  Cobalt Violet   Aug-31-07 10:44 PM   #175 
  - As well it should. Should have been debated long ago.  lonestarnot   Aug-31-07 03:45 PM   #148 
  - Maybe I should get a fake I.D. that shows I'm illegal...so can get some aid  Roxy66   Sep-02-07 04:57 AM   #200 
  - You'd also have to do the work to get 4.3 GPA.. n/t  sfexpat2000   Sep-02-07 03:07 PM   #206 
  - Undocumented means ILLEGAL.  leaninglib   Sep-02-07 07:14 AM   #202 
  - You mean, like the Fugitive Slave Law? n/t  sfexpat2000   Sep-02-07 03:09 PM   #207 
  - No, your analogy unsound, for Susan is free to leave MY country  leaninglib   Sep-03-07 06:40 AM   #211 
     - Then you don't understand either your premise or my analogy. n/t  sfexpat2000   Sep-03-07 12:19 PM   #215 
        - I understand your attempt at being analogous as being flawed.  leaninglib   Sep-03-07 06:29 PM   #217 
  - The undocumented kids in Kansas get it  proud2Blib   Sep-02-07 03:49 PM   #210 
     - No, it is not legal. Some states circumvent the law by only requiring proof of state residency  leaninglib   Sep-03-07 06:44 AM   #212 
        - It is a LAW in Kansas  proud2Blib   Sep-03-07 10:52 AM   #213 
        - Actually, I do not have a problem if The People of Kansas  leaninglib   Sep-03-07 06:35 PM   #218 
        - before the "America" get tired?  judaspriestess   Sep-03-07 12:35 PM   #216 
           - Wow...!!! You be sooooooo------uvinile...  leaninglib   Sep-03-07 06:38 PM   #219 
  - It is unfortunate, but I don't know if it would be a good idea to change the law  Nikia   Sep-03-07 11:07 AM   #214 
 

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