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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 05:55 PM
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Got proof? Besides "Christopher Hitchens said so"?

That's not proof.

Az, you're too intelligent to respect Hitchens as an atheist. He doesn't believe in God because he thinks HE is God.

He's so unintelligent -- and I think it's due to destruction of brain cells by years of alcohol abuse -- that he can't understand that Mother Teresa experienced years of what St. John of the Cross (great Catholic mystic and confessor of another great Catholic mystic, St. Teresa of Avila) first named "the dark night of the soul." When people have had strong experience of the presence of God and then go through periods of "spiritual dryness," it is torture for their souls. It was no secret that Mother Teresa suffered this way for many years. It's to her credit that she went on doing what Jesus commanded all Christians to do.

Mother Teresa is being attacked because she talked openly with her confessors about her long dark night of the soul rather than being admired for keeping on keeping on or for her honesty. The book written by one of her confessors will help other believers who are going through spiritual dryness. Atheists who are as cynical and deliberately uninformed as Hitchens will do what he did on "Hardball" tonight: claim that Mother Teresa was an atheist.

She was not an atheist at all. You know better than that, I think, and I wish more atheists did.

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  -Christopher Hitchens Coming Up on Hardball To Debate M Teresa with Bill Donahue stopbush  Aug-28-07 04:07 PM   #0 
  - Yes, this is ABA week.  valerief   Aug-28-07 04:08 PM   #1 
  - Fraud?  sailor65   Aug-28-07 04:09 PM   #2 
  - Not kidding  jbonkowski   Aug-28-07 04:21 PM   #5 
  - I'm assuming  sailor65   Aug-28-07 04:23 PM   #6 
  - No proof is needed for Catholic-bashers at DU.  DemBones DemBones   Aug-28-07 06:03 PM   #23 
     - elected democrats aren't - many of them are catholic. n/t  ourbluenation   Aug-28-07 06:10 PM   #26 
     - Yes, in fact Catholics are the majority in Congress.  DemBones DemBones   Aug-28-07 07:33 PM   #35 
     - and no proof will be acknowledged  iverglas   Aug-28-07 07:54 PM   #39 
     - I guess that means  sailor65   Aug-28-07 09:06 PM   #62 
        - well, I wouldn't be giving up your day job  iverglas   Aug-28-07 10:00 PM   #68 
        - Thanks, I'll hold onto the job  sailor65   Aug-28-07 10:04 PM   #70 
        - Here's a start - not from Hitchens, even....  smirkymonkey   Aug-29-07 07:04 PM   #88 
           - ^^ it's the invisible post! ^^  iverglas   Aug-29-07 07:15 PM   #90 
              - I think for some people "Mother Theresa was a Saint and  smirkymonkey   Aug-30-07 04:41 PM   #112 
     - I can see bashing the party for complicity etc.  Jed Dilligan   Aug-28-07 10:10 PM   #71 
  - You're saying Mother Teresa withheld medical treatment?  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-28-07 04:27 PM   #8 
     - Yes, she did. She prohibited doctors and even family members from  stopbush   Aug-28-07 04:32 PM   #9 
        - You mean hospices, eh?  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-28-07 04:36 PM   #10 
           - See post #16  stopbush   Aug-28-07 05:16 PM   #19 
           - may you end up in just such a "hospice"  iverglas   Aug-28-07 07:56 PM   #41 
  - There are several sources  Az   Aug-28-07 05:07 PM   #16 
  - Got proof? Besides "Christopher Hitchens said so"?  DemBones DemBones   Aug-28-07 05:55 PM   # 
  - I am no fan of Hitchens  Az   Aug-28-07 06:03 PM   #22 
  - If I were an atheist now, as I was for many years,  DemBones DemBones   Aug-28-07 07:31 PM   #34 
     - I am aware of that  Az   Aug-28-07 08:07 PM   #47 
     - OK, now we're on the same track  DemBones DemBones   Aug-28-07 09:03 PM   #60 
        - I suspect as much  Az   Aug-28-07 09:47 PM   #65 
     - do you actually doubt,  iverglas   Aug-28-07 08:08 PM   #48 
  - Jesus the Christ healed the sick..  The Vinyl Ripper   Aug-28-07 06:05 PM   #24 
  - He didn't use meds  Az   Aug-28-07 07:14 PM   #32 
     - No, believers do not expect God to be continually present,  DemBones DemBones   Aug-28-07 07:39 PM   #36 
        - Would Jesus the Christ have approved of using medicine to cure the sick?  The Vinyl Ripper   Aug-28-07 07:45 PM   #38 
        - Um... thats not quite what the bible says  Az   Aug-28-07 07:55 PM   #40 
           - LOL, you know the Bible is metaphor..  The Vinyl Ripper   Aug-28-07 08:07 PM   #46 
              - It depends on who you are talking to  Az   Aug-28-07 08:09 PM   #49 
                 - I think that's what I said..  The Vinyl Ripper   Aug-28-07 08:23 PM   #51 
                    - Thats cool  Az   Aug-28-07 09:00 PM   #59 
  - wise up. do some, uh, reading. start with this  Gabi Hayes   Aug-28-07 07:10 PM   #30 
  - What are these sources, please? nt  DemBones DemBones   Aug-28-07 05:55 PM   #20 
     - see if you can summon the energy to CandP this into google  Gabi Hayes   Aug-28-07 07:21 PM   #33 
        - Why should I? Your attitude is quite off-putting.  DemBones DemBones   Aug-28-07 07:40 PM   #37 
           - and yours isn't?  Gabi Hayes   Aug-28-07 07:56 PM   #42 
              - people with whom you agree?  Gabi Hayes   Aug-28-07 08:01 PM   #43 
  - Millions in the bank ($10m in a NY bank alone)  China_cat   Aug-28-07 05:08 PM   #17 
  - Nope, there really are lunatics on this site  spoony   Aug-28-07 06:37 PM   #27 
     - Lunatics can be made...  The Vinyl Ripper   Aug-28-07 08:34 PM   #56 
     - Boy, am I learning that fast! n/t  sailor65   Aug-28-07 10:03 PM   #69 
        - seems to be a pretty flat damned learning curve  iverglas   Aug-28-07 10:17 PM   #72 
           - 10,000 Comedians out of work  sailor65   Aug-28-07 10:41 PM   #73 
  - thanks for the warning, he gives me gas.  spanone   Aug-28-07 04:09 PM   #3 
  - As a Catholic I say Donahue is the fraud....  monmouth   Aug-28-07 04:16 PM   #4 
  - One of the rare instances in which I would love to see Hitch kick his opponent's worthless ass.  BurtWorm   Aug-28-07 04:25 PM   #7 
  - I love Hitchins with these religious freaks  malaise   Aug-28-07 04:44 PM   #11 
  - Maybe that should make you reflect  spoony   Aug-28-07 06:38 PM   #28 
     - They are BOTH jerks. I aree with you  JerseygirlCT   Aug-28-07 09:06 PM   #63 
  - What a pompous ass that Bill Donohue is. Do you believe that shit?  youthere   Aug-28-07 04:54 PM   #12 
  - He sure got that christian spirit, doesn't he?  durrrty libby   Aug-28-07 04:59 PM   #13 
  - You obviously think Christians  DemBones DemBones   Aug-28-07 08:03 PM   #44 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-28-07 08:24 PM   #52 
     - Do you have cute little hate names for other groups of people?  spoony   Aug-29-07 04:08 AM   #74 
     - Donahue is a bigger blowhard than Hitchens, He is a Total ASSHOLE  durrrty libby   Aug-28-07 08:30 PM   #54 
  - Hitchens was extremely rude and kept talking over Donohue.  DemBones DemBones   Aug-28-07 05:15 PM   #18 
     - my my, just full o' that Christian spirit  iverglas   Aug-28-07 08:11 PM   #50 
        - I guess I won't be giving her...  ZombyWoof   Aug-28-07 08:26 PM   #53 
        - yeah, and based on recent evidence  iverglas   Aug-28-07 09:59 PM   #67 
        - Get new lines.  spoony   Aug-29-07 04:10 AM   #75 
           - get a clue  iverglas   Aug-29-07 09:31 AM   #78 
  - Matthews, Hitchens, and Donohoe in the same building?  Bryan   Aug-28-07 05:02 PM   #14 
  - Gonna need a SCuBA for that...  XemaSab   Aug-28-07 05:07 PM   #15 
  - An unsubstantiated book. nt  DemBones DemBones   Aug-28-07 05:57 PM   #21 
  - Are you referring to Hitchens' book or the Bible?  mitchum   Aug-28-07 07:10 PM   #31 
  - LOL  Forkboy   Aug-29-07 10:08 AM   #80 
  - And what, exactly, is the Bible but an unsubstantiated book?  stopbush   Aug-28-07 08:33 PM   #55 
     - Lol, it took two of you to finish one thought? Yikes.  spoony   Aug-29-07 04:12 AM   #77 
        - No, we can think independently  mitchum   Aug-29-07 05:13 PM   #83 
           - Then you're simply predictable.  spoony   Aug-29-07 06:51 PM   #84 
              - You have no proof of that (just as you have no proof of your Abrahamic fairy tales)  mitchum   Aug-29-07 07:02 PM   #87 
              - Yes, never heard that one before either.  spoony   Aug-29-07 07:16 PM   #91 
                 - Fuck off, you foot washing, psalm singing fool  mitchum   Aug-29-07 07:18 PM   #93 
                 - Reduced to that already? You're no fun.  spoony   Aug-29-07 07:22 PM   #96 
                    - Y'know, I missed that part where He said, "Blessed are the assholes"  mitchum   Aug-29-07 11:52 PM   #106 
                       - Then you missed the whole bloody point.  spoony   Aug-30-07 12:44 AM   #107 
                 - awwwww  iverglas   Aug-29-07 07:21 PM   #95 
                    - If you want to see madness, look at your little buddy.  spoony   Aug-29-07 07:24 PM   #97 
                       - No chance of my insulting your mother; you have already captured that honor  mitchum   Aug-29-07 11:44 PM   #105 
              - oh my  iverglas   Aug-29-07 07:17 PM   #92 
                 - Can't even find words now? Gone to pictures like some l33t teenager?  spoony   Aug-29-07 07:28 PM   #100 
                    - ....................  Evoman   Aug-30-07 01:14 AM   #109 
  - Good. Mother Teresa was a nasty piece of work  Anarcho-Socialist   Aug-28-07 06:06 PM   #25 
  - you willfully ignorant mother theresa defenders should try this thing called 'google:'  Gabi Hayes   Aug-28-07 07:09 PM   #29 
  - I was going to mention the Charles Keating connection.  terrya   Aug-28-07 08:07 PM   #45 
  - Thank Gawd...  Buttercup McToots   Aug-28-07 08:38 PM   #57 
  - Bingo! Old MT's goodness is just another urban myth that received opinion bolsters.  stopbush   Aug-28-07 08:39 PM   #58 
  - wow, all those brain cells  sailor65   Aug-28-07 09:11 PM   #64 
  - this is as ridiculous as saying libraries are evil because Carnegie established some  NuttyFluffers   Aug-28-07 09:56 PM   #66 
  - Then Google Vince Foster and find out how the Clintons killed him!  spoony   Aug-29-07 04:12 AM   #76 
     - here's a really easy assignment  iverglas   Aug-29-07 09:58 AM   #79 
        - Nice post.. And I expect..  The Vinyl Ripper   Aug-29-07 11:50 AM   #81 
        - yes ...  iverglas   Aug-29-07 11:56 AM   #82 
        - Yes, forgive me for not immediately replying to each grueling rehash  spoony   Aug-29-07 07:00 PM   #86 
        - In all that rambling, you've missed a key element  spoony   Aug-29-07 06:57 PM   #85 
           - oh dear  iverglas   Aug-29-07 07:11 PM   #89 
           - I'll take that as an admission that you have nothing but insults.  spoony   Aug-29-07 07:21 PM   #94 
           - you can take it and wash it in the blood of jezus, for all I care  iverglas   Aug-29-07 07:26 PM   #98 
              - You're revealing a rather spoiled inner child  spoony   Aug-29-07 07:36 PM   #101 
                 - the fact that there are people in the world  iverglas   Aug-29-07 07:56 PM   #103 
                    - Whilst you're at that retail outlet  spoony   Aug-30-07 12:47 AM   #108 
           - oh, p.s.  iverglas   Aug-29-07 07:57 PM   #104 
           - Actually there are dueling claims..  The Vinyl Ripper   Aug-29-07 07:27 PM   #99 
              - actually, I'd meant to point this out  iverglas   Aug-29-07 07:51 PM   #102 
                 - Whoa there..  The Vinyl Ripper   Aug-30-07 01:37 AM   #111 
  - I'd like to lock those two in a cellar and leave them there.  JerseygirlCT   Aug-28-07 09:05 PM   #61 
  - Mother Teresa was no fraud and I hope Hitchens tackles  Jack Sprat   Aug-30-07 01:18 AM   #110 

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