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Mon Aug-27-07 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #25 |
| 36. Happens too often in our society. Mental illness as looked upon as a weakness... |
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and the mentally ill often cast by the wayside.
This place and its methods is a vile and disgusting mockery of psychology and psychiatry.
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| -There's people being tortured in the U.S., but it's not adults. It's children. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 10:38 PM |
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Gah. Kicking it, because I want people to read the article. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 10:43 PM |
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Notice that they actively refuse to *treat* any disorders, too |
Posteritatis |
Aug-27-07 10:43 PM |
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Yeah. That sickens me, too. In our program, WE TREAT THE DAMN ILLNESS... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 10:48 PM |
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Yeah; that kid with the "HELP US" sign... |
Posteritatis |
Aug-27-07 11:04 PM |
#25 |
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Happens too often in our society. Mental illness as looked upon as a weakness... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:10 PM |
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Damn right on all counts |
Posteritatis |
Aug-27-07 11:15 PM |
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That's part of the reason why I DESPISE Scientology and Tom Cruise. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:39 PM |
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I cannot express my rage at this moment , so will comment tomorrow. n/t |
vickiss |
Aug-27-07 11:32 PM |
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Interested in hearing what you have to say. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:50 PM |
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I'm working on my reply. Didn't want you to think |
vickiss |
Aug-28-07 09:46 PM |
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Unbelievable. |
mzmolly |
Aug-28-07 04:55 PM |
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This is a low-level example of some stuff I was reading about creating disassociation in children. |
Blashyrkh |
Aug-27-07 10:44 PM |
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Heh, oh I bet Bush LOVES this place. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 10:59 PM |
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What I was reading went far beyond that. But you're right. |
Blashyrkh |
Aug-28-07 12:07 AM |
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What exactly were they trying to do, according to the stuff you read? |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-28-07 12:34 AM |
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This tin foil hat land for most people here. |
Blashyrkh |
Aug-28-07 12:54 AM |
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That is pretty tin-foily. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-28-07 01:18 AM |
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Yep |
bighughdiehl |
Aug-28-07 02:15 PM |
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It's just another "technique". |
Blashyrkh |
Aug-28-07 05:16 PM |
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why woudl the government want to create serial killers? |
kineta |
Aug-28-07 06:47 PM |
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Read "Smoke and Mirrors". |
KaptBunnyPants |
Aug-28-07 02:06 AM |
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Now I'm wondering how many DID cases come out of that place. (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Aug-27-07 11:04 PM |
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A Dobson-esque technique. |
mzmolly |
Aug-28-07 05:00 PM |
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Oh my gawd, that's sickening! |
SeattleGirl |
Aug-27-07 10:45 PM |
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This twisted bastard Matthew Israel think he's HELPING kids this way. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 10:50 PM |
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K&R - that is sickening. |
Cabcere |
Aug-27-07 10:46 PM |
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My dear Elrond Hubbard! |
CaliforniaPeggy |
Aug-27-07 10:49 PM |
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And for talking back or speaking their mind! |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 10:52 PM |
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The article suggests 5,000 shocks isn't enough. Grr. (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Aug-27-07 11:05 PM |
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There's a lot of fucked-up behavioral modification "schools" (and camps) out there |
LostinVA |
Aug-27-07 10:51 PM |
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Well, as I said, I work with ED kids...and the thought of this kind of treatment sickens me. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 10:54 PM |
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Look in the article's comments - Israel himself is in them. (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Aug-27-07 11:06 PM |
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I don't know if I want to. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:08 PM |
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One of the lawyers who sued the place is there too; it's worth a glance. (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Aug-27-07 11:09 PM |
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A lot of angry parents there supporting the school. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:23 PM |
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I work with these kids too |
proud2Blib |
Aug-27-07 11:27 PM |
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Exactly. It's not easy work, but it is DO-ABLE work. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:34 PM |
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It's a pretty abnormal norm, at that |
Posteritatis |
Aug-28-07 12:41 AM |
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Not only of that, but Dr. Israel doesn't submit his work to peer review... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-28-07 12:46 AM |
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They bring disgrace to an honorable profession |
proud2Blib |
Aug-28-07 07:28 AM |
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"...autistic, mentally retarded, and emotionally troubled kids," no less. |
porphyrian |
Aug-27-07 10:52 PM |
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Yup. Shocking the shit out of them... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 10:57 PM |
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Do people lack a sense of horror, or does the amount of it flip a breaker switch in them or what? |
porphyrian |
Aug-27-07 11:00 PM |
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Ever hear about the Milgram experiment? |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:02 PM |
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The name didn't ring a bell, but I remember it now. |
porphyrian |
Aug-27-07 11:11 PM |
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Does Ted Kennedy know about this? If not, he should. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:53 PM |
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Huh???? |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-27-07 10:53 PM |
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The part about New York and the parents really sickened me. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 10:55 PM |
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If it were shocks being delivered to |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-27-07 10:59 PM |
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Don't go there, LOL... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:00 PM |
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Sorry...... |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-27-07 11:04 PM |
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I think the only reason why there isn't an outpouring of outrage is |
LostinVA |
Aug-27-07 11:01 PM |
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I think you're largely right about that. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:04 PM |
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as of right now |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-27-07 11:06 PM |
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That makes me sad. I wonder why. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:07 PM |
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To be fair, it's midnight on a weeknight. (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Aug-27-07 11:08 PM |
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If you have time to view a thread, |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-27-07 11:10 PM |
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I've skimmed enough of 'em, too deep in "braaaaainz.." mode to reply coherently.. (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Aug-27-07 11:12 PM |
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I'm not sure..... |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-27-07 11:09 PM |
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Eh -- I read lots of threads and very, very rarely recommend |
LostinVA |
Aug-27-07 11:11 PM |
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I only recommend threads that are truly |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-27-07 11:12 PM |
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There are a lot of control freaks in the world |
The Vinyl Ripper |
Aug-27-07 11:02 PM |
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i am in absolute shock |
kagehime |
Aug-27-07 11:11 PM |
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Exactly! What is this doing for high-functioning children?? |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:25 PM |
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i think i've told you this |
kagehime |
Aug-27-07 11:32 PM |
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I doubt you and I would be talking with each other right now. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:33 PM |
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I cannot start my day |
laylah |
Aug-28-07 02:34 AM |
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There were many prominent pioneers from related fields of psychology |
bobthedrummer |
Aug-27-07 11:18 PM |
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I remember a story about a poor little girl who was rolled up in a carpet to "treat" her problems. |
Beausoir |
Aug-27-07 11:39 PM |
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Another heartwarming story... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:40 PM |
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You are breaking my heart. |
Beausoir |
Aug-27-07 11:42 PM |
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This article broke my heart. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:44 PM |
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that's not right, children can harbor hosts of fears within them... |
bridgit |
Aug-27-07 11:41 PM |
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The adults are set up as grim authority figures... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:46 PM |
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This reads like pornography. And I don't mean the good kind. |
kineta |
Aug-28-07 12:08 AM |
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Did you read the comments section? Warped parents that are on board with this! |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-28-07 12:18 AM |
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Here's one. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Aug-28-07 10:57 AM |
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That woman is a phd? |
The Vinyl Ripper |
Aug-28-07 09:51 PM |
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Well, she claims to be one. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-28-07 10:29 PM |
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Diploma mill, maybe |
Posteritatis |
Aug-29-07 02:07 AM |
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It's 1:24 am here, |
PDJane |
Aug-28-07 12:25 AM |
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No probablem |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-28-07 12:29 AM |
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Too horrific for words... k&r |
Dystopian |
Aug-28-07 01:32 AM |
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As a parent of a child with Autism |
lumberjack_jeff |
Aug-28-07 10:23 AM |
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Desparate they may be... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-28-07 01:17 PM |
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I don't disagree. The article certainly makes a good argument that it's overused. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Aug-28-07 01:33 PM |
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And the more high-functioning kids are aware enough to realize how capricious it is... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-28-07 03:57 PM |
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I'm wondering if they're learning the opposite, actually.. |
Posteritatis |
Aug-28-07 08:08 PM |
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Kick for the afternoon, in the hopes that more will read this. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-28-07 01:22 PM |
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I don't think that I can comment. I just saw this and I'm enraged! |
tnlefty |
Aug-28-07 04:36 PM |
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Horriffic. |
mzmolly |
Aug-28-07 04:52 PM |
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OK, I think I've gotten most of my thoughts in order. |
PDJane |
Aug-28-07 09:08 PM |
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I definitely agree that the man is scum and should be in jail |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-28-07 09:24 PM |
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I don't know. |
PDJane |
Aug-28-07 09:30 PM |
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Yeah. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-28-07 10:29 PM |
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