The Vinyl Ripper
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Mon Aug-27-07 11:02 PM
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| 22. There are a lot of control freaks in the world |
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And some of them end up being parents...
The single most important thing to a control freak is compliance on the part of anyone they consider to be a "subordinate".
If the child does not comply with their wishes, then in their mind anything done to ensure compliance is automatically a good thing.
The libertarian in me and the leftist in me are often at odds with each other.
The leftist sort of wishes we had parenting licenses and that everyone desiring to become a parent should go through a strict training regimen.
The libertarian is aghast at such a freedom destroying idea.
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| -There's people being tortured in the U.S., but it's not adults. It's children. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 10:38 PM |
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Gah. Kicking it, because I want people to read the article. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 10:43 PM |
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Notice that they actively refuse to *treat* any disorders, too |
Posteritatis |
Aug-27-07 10:43 PM |
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Yeah. That sickens me, too. In our program, WE TREAT THE DAMN ILLNESS... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 10:48 PM |
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Yeah; that kid with the "HELP US" sign... |
Posteritatis |
Aug-27-07 11:04 PM |
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Happens too often in our society. Mental illness as looked upon as a weakness... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:10 PM |
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Damn right on all counts |
Posteritatis |
Aug-27-07 11:15 PM |
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That's part of the reason why I DESPISE Scientology and Tom Cruise. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:39 PM |
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I cannot express my rage at this moment , so will comment tomorrow. n/t |
vickiss |
Aug-27-07 11:32 PM |
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Interested in hearing what you have to say. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:50 PM |
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I'm working on my reply. Didn't want you to think |
vickiss |
Aug-28-07 09:46 PM |
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Unbelievable. |
mzmolly |
Aug-28-07 04:55 PM |
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This is a low-level example of some stuff I was reading about creating disassociation in children. |
Blashyrkh |
Aug-27-07 10:44 PM |
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Heh, oh I bet Bush LOVES this place. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 10:59 PM |
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What I was reading went far beyond that. But you're right. |
Blashyrkh |
Aug-28-07 12:07 AM |
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What exactly were they trying to do, according to the stuff you read? |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-28-07 12:34 AM |
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This tin foil hat land for most people here. |
Blashyrkh |
Aug-28-07 12:54 AM |
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That is pretty tin-foily. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-28-07 01:18 AM |
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Yep |
bighughdiehl |
Aug-28-07 02:15 PM |
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It's just another "technique". |
Blashyrkh |
Aug-28-07 05:16 PM |
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why woudl the government want to create serial killers? |
kineta |
Aug-28-07 06:47 PM |
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Read "Smoke and Mirrors". |
KaptBunnyPants |
Aug-28-07 02:06 AM |
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Now I'm wondering how many DID cases come out of that place. (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Aug-27-07 11:04 PM |
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A Dobson-esque technique. |
mzmolly |
Aug-28-07 05:00 PM |
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Oh my gawd, that's sickening! |
SeattleGirl |
Aug-27-07 10:45 PM |
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This twisted bastard Matthew Israel think he's HELPING kids this way. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 10:50 PM |
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K&R - that is sickening. |
Cabcere |
Aug-27-07 10:46 PM |
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My dear Elrond Hubbard! |
CaliforniaPeggy |
Aug-27-07 10:49 PM |
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And for talking back or speaking their mind! |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 10:52 PM |
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The article suggests 5,000 shocks isn't enough. Grr. (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Aug-27-07 11:05 PM |
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There's a lot of fucked-up behavioral modification "schools" (and camps) out there |
LostinVA |
Aug-27-07 10:51 PM |
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Well, as I said, I work with ED kids...and the thought of this kind of treatment sickens me. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 10:54 PM |
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Look in the article's comments - Israel himself is in them. (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Aug-27-07 11:06 PM |
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I don't know if I want to. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:08 PM |
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One of the lawyers who sued the place is there too; it's worth a glance. (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Aug-27-07 11:09 PM |
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A lot of angry parents there supporting the school. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:23 PM |
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I work with these kids too |
proud2Blib |
Aug-27-07 11:27 PM |
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Exactly. It's not easy work, but it is DO-ABLE work. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:34 PM |
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It's a pretty abnormal norm, at that |
Posteritatis |
Aug-28-07 12:41 AM |
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Not only of that, but Dr. Israel doesn't submit his work to peer review... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-28-07 12:46 AM |
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They bring disgrace to an honorable profession |
proud2Blib |
Aug-28-07 07:28 AM |
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"...autistic, mentally retarded, and emotionally troubled kids," no less. |
porphyrian |
Aug-27-07 10:52 PM |
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Yup. Shocking the shit out of them... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 10:57 PM |
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Do people lack a sense of horror, or does the amount of it flip a breaker switch in them or what? |
porphyrian |
Aug-27-07 11:00 PM |
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Ever hear about the Milgram experiment? |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:02 PM |
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The name didn't ring a bell, but I remember it now. |
porphyrian |
Aug-27-07 11:11 PM |
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Does Ted Kennedy know about this? If not, he should. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:53 PM |
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Huh???? |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-27-07 10:53 PM |
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The part about New York and the parents really sickened me. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 10:55 PM |
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If it were shocks being delivered to |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-27-07 10:59 PM |
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Don't go there, LOL... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:00 PM |
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Sorry...... |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-27-07 11:04 PM |
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I think the only reason why there isn't an outpouring of outrage is |
LostinVA |
Aug-27-07 11:01 PM |
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I think you're largely right about that. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:04 PM |
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as of right now |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-27-07 11:06 PM |
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That makes me sad. I wonder why. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:07 PM |
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To be fair, it's midnight on a weeknight. (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Aug-27-07 11:08 PM |
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If you have time to view a thread, |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-27-07 11:10 PM |
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I've skimmed enough of 'em, too deep in "braaaaainz.." mode to reply coherently.. (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Aug-27-07 11:12 PM |
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I'm not sure..... |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-27-07 11:09 PM |
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Eh -- I read lots of threads and very, very rarely recommend |
LostinVA |
Aug-27-07 11:11 PM |
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I only recommend threads that are truly |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-27-07 11:12 PM |
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There are a lot of control freaks in the world |
The Vinyl Ripper |
Aug-27-07 11:02 PM |
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i am in absolute shock |
kagehime |
Aug-27-07 11:11 PM |
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Exactly! What is this doing for high-functioning children?? |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:25 PM |
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i think i've told you this |
kagehime |
Aug-27-07 11:32 PM |
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I doubt you and I would be talking with each other right now. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:33 PM |
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I cannot start my day |
laylah |
Aug-28-07 02:34 AM |
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There were many prominent pioneers from related fields of psychology |
bobthedrummer |
Aug-27-07 11:18 PM |
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I remember a story about a poor little girl who was rolled up in a carpet to "treat" her problems. |
Beausoir |
Aug-27-07 11:39 PM |
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Another heartwarming story... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:40 PM |
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You are breaking my heart. |
Beausoir |
Aug-27-07 11:42 PM |
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This article broke my heart. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:44 PM |
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that's not right, children can harbor hosts of fears within them... |
bridgit |
Aug-27-07 11:41 PM |
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The adults are set up as grim authority figures... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-27-07 11:46 PM |
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This reads like pornography. And I don't mean the good kind. |
kineta |
Aug-28-07 12:08 AM |
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Did you read the comments section? Warped parents that are on board with this! |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-28-07 12:18 AM |
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Here's one. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Aug-28-07 10:57 AM |
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That woman is a phd? |
The Vinyl Ripper |
Aug-28-07 09:51 PM |
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Well, she claims to be one. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-28-07 10:29 PM |
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Diploma mill, maybe |
Posteritatis |
Aug-29-07 02:07 AM |
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It's 1:24 am here, |
PDJane |
Aug-28-07 12:25 AM |
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No probablem |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-28-07 12:29 AM |
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Too horrific for words... k&r |
Dystopian |
Aug-28-07 01:32 AM |
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As a parent of a child with Autism |
lumberjack_jeff |
Aug-28-07 10:23 AM |
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Desparate they may be... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-28-07 01:17 PM |
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I don't disagree. The article certainly makes a good argument that it's overused. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Aug-28-07 01:33 PM |
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And the more high-functioning kids are aware enough to realize how capricious it is... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-28-07 03:57 PM |
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I'm wondering if they're learning the opposite, actually.. |
Posteritatis |
Aug-28-07 08:08 PM |
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Kick for the afternoon, in the hopes that more will read this. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-28-07 01:22 PM |
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I don't think that I can comment. I just saw this and I'm enraged! |
tnlefty |
Aug-28-07 04:36 PM |
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Horriffic. |
mzmolly |
Aug-28-07 04:52 PM |
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OK, I think I've gotten most of my thoughts in order. |
PDJane |
Aug-28-07 09:08 PM |
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I definitely agree that the man is scum and should be in jail |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-28-07 09:24 PM |
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I don't know. |
PDJane |
Aug-28-07 09:30 PM |
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Yeah. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Aug-28-07 10:29 PM |
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