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135. Pleading guilty means he is guilty?
Means that evidence does not need to be of high enough quality? OK. I'll put you down into that camp regarding evidence.

I don't care about craig. I care about having good evidence. Not going to argue with you either since you feel otherwise and it is a waste of my time.
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  -I don't get the "evidence" Craig was arrested on. Link and more here... uppityperson  Aug-27-07 08:18 PM   #0 
  - Really? So You've Touched Another Man's Foot In HIS Stall  Beetwasher   Aug-27-07 08:19 PM   #1 
  - You Forgot The Part Where He Peeked In The Other Occupant's Stall  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 08:22 PM   #5 
  - Seriously  Beetwasher   Aug-27-07 08:23 PM   #7 
  - I'm not saying he didn't propopsition a cop, just that the evidence in this story is odd.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 08:25 PM   #12 
  - Well, it's not just that. It's hanging around stalls, peering into them,  originalpckelly   Aug-27-07 08:40 PM   #36 
  - I didn't know about the "peeking" and "finger fidgeting."  Kingshakabobo   Aug-27-07 08:26 PM   #17 
     - Here's The Crib Notes  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 08:32 PM   #25 
        - why did he do the hand thing? I'm not up on Men's Room Lewdness signals, obviously.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 08:36 PM   #28 
        - The Hand Thing Is A New Wrinkle To Me...  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 08:42 PM   #40 
        - Apparently, he hung out in front of the cop's stall for "2 minutes" while peeking?  Kingshakabobo   Aug-27-07 09:05 PM   #54 
  - yeah, but it was my boyfriend's.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 08:24 PM   #9 
     - No, It's Not Very Subjective, Not At All  Beetwasher   Aug-27-07 08:25 PM   #15 
     - Have you ever done all or any of the above?  emilyg   Aug-27-07 08:42 PM   #41 
        - Post #27. What I'm saying is I don't understand the evidence, seems subjective, though taken as a  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 08:47 PM   #49 
  - Yeah, well a) he pled to a reduced charge and b) he DID NOT  rzemanfl   Aug-27-07 08:20 PM   #2 
  - Who knows?  cat_girl25   Aug-27-07 08:20 PM   #3 
  - You Forgot The Part Where He Peeked In The Other Occupant's Stall  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 08:23 PM   #6 
  - All apart of getting toilet paper my dear DemocratSinceBirth...  originalpckelly   Aug-27-07 08:41 PM   #39 
  - Because saying "Hand me some TP" would be too weird.  Blue-Jay   Aug-27-07 08:26 PM   #16 
     - The Square to spare scandal.  chimpsrsmarter   Aug-27-07 08:27 PM   #20 
  - I don't touch other people's feet in the next stall.  missb   Aug-27-07 08:21 PM   #4 
  - This was a clear form of solicitation, apparently, in the men's bathroom  wienerdoggie   Aug-27-07 08:23 PM   #8 
  - Remind me not to peek into stalls, put my bag next to me and not tap my foot.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 08:27 PM   #19 
     - But Do You TOUCH SOMEONES FOOT?  Beetwasher   Aug-27-07 08:27 PM   #21 
     - what was the hand thing about? I don't know Men's Toilet Lewdness signals.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 08:37 PM   #31 
        - Apparently It Means You Want Sex  Beetwasher   Aug-27-07 08:43 PM   #42 
        - it means hand is looking for something to jerk off  goodhue   Aug-27-07 09:37 PM   #93 
     - that was you?  stillcool47   Aug-27-07 08:37 PM   #32 
     - I couldn't tell if it was a roller bag in the way or a blocked off stall, sorry.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 08:39 PM   #35 
     - Come on now. This was no coincidence or accident. Men don't  wienerdoggie   Aug-27-07 08:47 PM   #47 
     - You're probably fine. Don't worry.  electron_blue   Aug-27-07 10:22 PM   #146 
  - according to that article Craig was also peeping him through the crack  chimpsrsmarter   Aug-27-07 08:24 PM   #10 
  - It seems like  madaboutharry   Aug-27-07 08:25 PM   #11 
  - I Agree, You're Right Of Course, It IS Sad Where SOME People Are  Beetwasher   Aug-27-07 08:26 PM   #18 
  - I would never excuse the hypocrisy  madaboutharry   Aug-27-07 08:30 PM   #23 
  - You said what I was thinking. So sad, for humanity, especially if  higher class   Aug-27-07 08:36 PM   #29 
  - Maybe it's some secret gay, closeted Republican code in the Twin Cities?  MrScorpio   Aug-27-07 08:25 PM   #13 
  - You put your bag by the door, you tap your foot, you play footsie with your neighbor  MADem   Aug-27-07 08:25 PM   #14 
  - I'm NOT saying he isn't a hypocritical douchebag. OKAY?!?!?  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 08:31 PM   #24 
     - They don't NEED more. He pled guilty!  Bluebear   Aug-27-07 08:37 PM   #30 
     - and now he's saying he pled guilty by mistake or some such.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 08:38 PM   #33 
     - Well, I'm saying that anyone who plays footsie with you in the men's room  MADem   Aug-27-07 08:41 PM   #38 
     - Did You Know Some Stalls Have Holes In Them To Facilitate Such Contact?  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 08:47 PM   #48 
        - penis holes? Hey, if he was using one of those, yeah, no problem  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 08:54 PM   #51 
  - So your standard procedure when taking a piss in public  youngdem   Aug-27-07 08:28 PM   #22 
  - wow, thats a good summation.  chimpsrsmarter   Aug-27-07 08:34 PM   #26 
  - My procedure is to look and see if there is a stall empty, then go in.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 08:35 PM   #27 
     - Actually,  madaboutharry   Aug-27-07 08:40 PM   #37 
     - I try to get enough off to get to the inside of an unrolled part.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 08:43 PM   #43 
        - I would never sit on a public toilet.  madaboutharry   Aug-27-07 08:46 PM   #44 
     - You're asking for your bag to be stolen if you put it by the door, IMO (n/t)  Ino   Aug-27-07 08:47 PM   #46 
     - He Gazed At A Guy Through The Crack For Two Minutes  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 08:54 PM   #52 
        - No guys in the womens room. Usually.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 09:01 PM   #53 
           - He Lied ...  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 09:06 PM   #56 
              - What does my behaviour have to do with adequate evidence?  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 09:11 PM   #61 
                 - He Plead Guilty  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 09:19 PM   #73 
                    - Probably not a legal right but I'm not sure.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 09:21 PM   #77 
                       - Are You Arguing That People Have The Right To Look At Other People On The Crapper  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 10:17 PM   #139 
                          - Are you arguing no one has the right to look through a crack around a stall door?  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 10:20 PM   #143 
  - Whatever. He plead guilty n/t  DemKR   Aug-27-07 08:39 PM   #34 
  - Approximately 30 messages and no recommendations - as it  higher class   Aug-27-07 08:46 PM   #45 
  - I am wondering about evidence. Evidence used to possibly convict someone.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 08:52 PM   #50 
     - the fact that he touched the side of the guy's  BlackVelvet04   Aug-27-07 09:05 PM   #55 
     - Thank you. Most of those replying aren't seeing my question  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 09:09 PM   #57 
     - I hear that  BlackVelvet04   Aug-27-07 09:12 PM   #62 
     - right hand or left hand? They mean different things.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 09:15 PM   #69 
        - Ooops, I forgot the code.....  BlackVelvet04   Aug-27-07 09:24 PM   #80 
        - Please Answer My Question  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 09:32 PM   #89 
           - If he was waiting for the guy in the next stall to finish and leave, yes.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 09:39 PM   #96 
           - He Kept Looking At The Guy In The Stall Through The Crack  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 09:43 PM   #103 
              - I wonder if anyone noticed the cop being in his stall for 13 minutes, wondered why.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 09:45 PM   #107 
                 - Male Restroom Etiquette  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 09:51 PM   #114 
           - Dupe, darn glitchy connection. Or maybe it's a secret code? hmm, beware  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 09:39 PM   #97 
     - Would You Gaze At A Woman Who Was On The Crapper Through The Crack Like Craig?  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 09:14 PM   #67 
        - What does my behaviour have to do with adequate evidence?  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 09:20 PM   #74 
     - I Don't Know What Constitutes Lewd And Lascivious Behavior  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 09:11 PM   #60 
        - Of COURSE we should have the same rights. That's the problem with shoddy evidence  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 09:13 PM   #64 
        - I agree about having sex  BlackVelvet04   Aug-27-07 09:14 PM   #68 
           - If You Don't Want To Be Framed Don't Put Yourself In The Picture  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 09:17 PM   #71 
              - I'm sure he was soliciting for sex......  BlackVelvet04   Aug-27-07 09:25 PM   #81 
              - He Plead Guilty  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 09:29 PM   #86 
              - Yes, solicitation is illegal.  electron_blue   Aug-27-07 10:25 PM   #150 
                 - Yeah, I decided to try to keep the topic really clear and concise here.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 10:28 PM   #157 
              - If You Don't Want To Be Framed Don't Put Yourself In The Picture  BlackVelvet04   Aug-27-07 09:27 PM   #84 
                 - That's A Non Sequitur  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 09:39 PM   #98 
                    - here is the repost.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 09:42 PM   #102 
     - I'm with you about evidence. If this were just breaking, I would be  higher class   Aug-27-07 09:10 PM   #59 
     - Okay if you break this down to one ..... act at a time .... as in ......  doublethink   Aug-27-07 09:23 PM   #78 
        - Innocent people plead guilty all the time.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 09:26 PM   #83 
           - I kind of understand what your saying .... kind of ....like the grey areas ....in between .....  doublethink   Aug-27-07 09:41 PM   #100 
           - A sitting US Senator pled guilty to a sex crime so it wouldn't be publicized.  FredScuttle   Aug-27-07 09:41 PM   #101 
              - Same party that attacked Iraq for 9/11 WMDs Saddam Demokracy.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 09:44 PM   #104 
              - HE DIDN'T PLEAD GUILTY TO A SEX CRIME......  BlackVelvet04   Aug-27-07 10:21 PM   #144 
  - Me, I generally just clamber over the top of the stall while undressing  IDemo   Aug-27-07 09:10 PM   #58 
  - That was YOU???  Bluebear   Aug-27-07 09:12 PM   #63 
     - Sorry that super high note at the end damaged my throat  IDemo   Aug-27-07 09:13 PM   #65 
  - Obviously he was trying to get the guy's attention.  MrSlayer   Aug-27-07 09:14 PM   #66 
  - That's my issue with it, so to speak.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 09:16 PM   #70 
  - OK, is that is what you're driving at? If yes, we should take Craig out of  higher class   Aug-27-07 09:47 PM   #109 
     - Yes. I don't care about this particular person but the situation, the Evidence  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 09:53 PM   #116 
  - dupe of a bad joke  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 09:18 PM   #72 
  - Thank you.....  BlackVelvet04   Aug-27-07 10:28 PM   #158 
  - He's a Sen. from a 'safe state' who can be easily replaced w/ an R  alittlelark   Aug-27-07 09:20 PM   #75 
  - Your question is, what is the crime, right? I'm not sure either.  Skip Intro   Aug-27-07 09:21 PM   #76 
  - JESUS FUCKING CHRIST....HE PLED GUILTY  FredScuttle   Aug-27-07 09:24 PM   #79 
  - I just don't get the apologists for this guy. Very strange.  Beausoir   Aug-27-07 09:25 PM   #82 
  - NOT the guy, the "EVIDENCE"  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 09:29 PM   #87 
  - "subjective codes"....LOL  FredScuttle   Aug-27-07 09:38 PM   #94 
     - You Forgot The Part Where Craig Watched Him On The Crapper For Two Minutes And Waved At Him...  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 09:46 PM   #108 
        - Where is waving in this police report? I don't see it.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 09:51 PM   #115 
           - The Paragraph Next To The Last  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 09:53 PM   #117 
              - AH, so you are interpreting "swiped his hand" as "wave"  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 09:56 PM   #119 
                 - It's Circumstantial Evidence  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 10:00 PM   #122 
  - I don't think anybody's apologizing for the guy, just curious about what the crime is.  Skip Intro   Aug-27-07 10:08 PM   #128 
  - People plead guilty when they are not. It happens. Not that he is saying no, I want  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 09:28 PM   #85 
  - I agree the news account is thin. Since he did plead guilty however, I'm going to guess that  Mayberry Machiavelli   Aug-27-07 09:31 PM   #88 
  - Are you fucking kidding me?  FredScuttle   Aug-27-07 09:35 PM   #92 
  - It happens and insults don't help here.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 09:40 PM   #99 
  - As opposed to the publicity he's enjoying now?  FredScuttle   Aug-27-07 09:44 PM   #106 
     - I'm not taking up for him. I don't care about him, I care about legal evidence.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 09:49 PM   #111 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-27-07 09:56 PM   #120 
     - He Had The Right To Confront His Accuser In Court And Punked Out...  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 09:57 PM   #121 
        - Some people do find poop/pee erotic. Hence "golden showers" and other such stuff  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 10:04 PM   #125 
           - Until you've been in a public men's bathroom  FredScuttle   Aug-27-07 10:08 PM   #129 
           - Go tell that to the poster who keeps asking me if it's appropriate.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 10:15 PM   #138 
              - You're the one who's agitating that it may be "appropriate"  FredScuttle   Aug-27-07 10:37 PM   #167 
                 - Not defending, looking for concrete evidence. There is a difference  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 10:42 PM   #171 
                    - The Passive Agressive Defense  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 10:44 PM   #175 
                    - You wouldn't recognize the evidence  FredScuttle   Aug-27-07 10:46 PM   #178 
           - If Someone Is Into Scat That's Their Right  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 10:09 PM   #130 
     - dupe again, connection goes in and out. argh  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 09:49 PM   #113 
  - "Bizarro DU" is right. Trying to excuse this guy is just plain goofy.  Beausoir   Aug-27-07 09:44 PM   #105 
     - NOT trying to excuse him at all, just wanting Hard evidence, not secret stuff  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 09:47 PM   #110 
        - Did you read the arrest report?  FredScuttle   Aug-27-07 09:55 PM   #118 
        - Yes I did. He waited until the stall was empty before entering (stalking or waited?)  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 10:01 PM   #123 
           - I'll Make It Easy For You...  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 10:07 PM   #127 
           - I'm not going to argue with you anymore  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 10:09 PM   #131 
           - What You Call Ambiguities And Insinuations Is Indirect Evidence Or Circumstantial Evidence  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 10:12 PM   #133 
              - Not circumstancial evidence but ambiguous, unclear evidence.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 10:15 PM   #137 
                 - Ambiguous to you maybe  FredScuttle   Aug-27-07 10:28 PM   #155 
                 - I Guess You Have Never Been On A Jury...  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 10:28 PM   #156 
                    - 1) stall was occupied. When it emptied he entered it.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 10:30 PM   #162 
                       - When Waiting For A Stall In A Men's Restroom You Stand As Far Away As Possible...  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 10:39 PM   #169 
                          - Until you've frequented women's rooms, you can't compare or have any idea.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 10:45 PM   #176 
                             - It Doesn't Saying Anything About Watching Somebody Do Their Business For Two Minutes...  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 10:56 PM   #179 
           - Pretty much sums it up.  Beausoir   Aug-27-07 10:19 PM   #141 
           - You go on and on about having trouble with the "evidence"  FredScuttle   Aug-27-07 10:12 PM   #134 
              - I Think Craig Wanted To Get In The Cops Pants And Not Vice Versa  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 10:19 PM   #142 
                 - right  FredScuttle   Aug-27-07 10:23 PM   #147 
                    - Once again missing the point, confusing a person with evidence.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 10:26 PM   #152 
                       - No, my point is that the "evidence" that would have satisfied you  FredScuttle   Aug-27-07 10:33 PM   #165 
                          - "kids"? Surely you exaggerate  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 10:35 PM   #166 
                             - Surely I exaggerate?  FredScuttle   Aug-27-07 10:39 PM   #168 
                             - Don't You Know We Don't Defecate Or Urinate Until We Are Adults?  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 10:43 PM   #174 
                                - And then....like Republican Vitter....we use diapers.  Beausoir   Aug-27-07 10:46 PM   #177 
                             - Kids don't use public restrooms?  Beausoir   Aug-27-07 10:40 PM   #170 
                                - Thank you  FredScuttle   Aug-27-07 10:43 PM   #173 
        - He pled GUILTY. Jesus. How much more hard evidence do you need?  Beausoir   Aug-27-07 10:11 PM   #132 
           - Pleading guilty means he is guilty?  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 10:13 PM   #135 
              - So...you are saying that he...a white male United States Senator..was railroaded?  Beausoir   Aug-27-07 10:15 PM   #136 
                 - As far as pleading guilty, I am saying people plead guilty for all sorts  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 10:18 PM   #140 
                    - Ok...so there is a pretty in-depth police report AND an admission of guilt. What else do you need?  Beausoir   Aug-27-07 10:21 PM   #145 
                    - He plead guilty to disorderly conduct.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 10:24 PM   #148 
                       - Apparently Craig was fine with the evidence too  FredScuttle   Aug-27-07 10:26 PM   #151 
                       - He pled guilty. That's NOT subjective evidence. It's FACT.  Beausoir   Aug-27-07 10:29 PM   #160 
                    - Do millionaire politicians plead guilty all the time?  FredScuttle   Aug-27-07 10:25 PM   #149 
  - The part about pleading guilty that gets me is he was arrested Jun 11 and he  electron_blue   Aug-27-07 10:27 PM   #154 
     - Well you know  FredScuttle   Aug-27-07 10:30 PM   #161 
        - Actually I think many of them think they are Gods, sort of like surgeons do.  uppityperson   Aug-27-07 10:32 PM   #164 
  - Ding, ding... Give this man the prize!  MrMickeysMom   Aug-27-07 09:49 PM   #112 
  - strikes me as a joke that this is not obvious and apparent lewd conduct  goodhue   Aug-27-07 09:33 PM   #90 
  - Here is the thing that seems improbable...  salin   Aug-27-07 09:34 PM   #91 
  - He was cruising  FredScuttle   Aug-27-07 09:39 PM   #95 
  - You Forgot The Part Where Craig Watched Him On The Toilet For Two Minutes And Waved At Him...  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-27-07 10:03 PM   #124 
  - "one's legs so far sprawled to the sides that it would stretch to the other stall  BlackVelvet04   Aug-27-07 10:27 PM   #153 
  - Right  FredScuttle   Aug-27-07 10:29 PM   #159 
     - Thank you....  BlackVelvet04   Aug-27-07 10:32 PM   #163 
  - I'm a 6'2" man, and I can assure you, my feet have never come anywhere near  mondo joe   Aug-27-07 11:09 PM   #180 
  - When he's not standing in a toilet stall, which Committees does  higher class   Aug-27-07 10:05 PM   #126 
     - sit on?  bambino   Aug-27-07 10:43 PM   #172 
 

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