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That means we are entitled to accept every fact as true...
He peered into the other guy's stall for two minutes...He then sat in the stall next to him... He then tapped his feet to get the other man's attention...He then played footsie with him... He then waved at him...
He plead guilty...
End of story...
|
| -I don't get the "evidence" Craig was arrested on. Link and more here... |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 08:18 PM |
#0 |
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Really? So You've Touched Another Man's Foot In HIS Stall |
Beetwasher |
Aug-27-07 08:19 PM |
#1 |
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You Forgot The Part Where He Peeked In The Other Occupant's Stall |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 08:22 PM |
#5 |
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Seriously |
Beetwasher |
Aug-27-07 08:23 PM |
#7 |
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I'm not saying he didn't propopsition a cop, just that the evidence in this story is odd. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 08:25 PM |
#12 |
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Well, it's not just that. It's hanging around stalls, peering into them, |
originalpckelly |
Aug-27-07 08:40 PM |
#36 |
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I didn't know about the "peeking" and "finger fidgeting." |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-27-07 08:26 PM |
#17 |
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Here's The Crib Notes |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 08:32 PM |
#25 |
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why did he do the hand thing? I'm not up on Men's Room Lewdness signals, obviously. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 08:36 PM |
#28 |
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The Hand Thing Is A New Wrinkle To Me... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 08:42 PM |
#40 |
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Apparently, he hung out in front of the cop's stall for "2 minutes" while peeking? |
Kingshakabobo |
Aug-27-07 09:05 PM |
#54 |
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yeah, but it was my boyfriend's. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 08:24 PM |
#9 |
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No, It's Not Very Subjective, Not At All |
Beetwasher |
Aug-27-07 08:25 PM |
#15 |
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Have you ever done all or any of the above? |
emilyg |
Aug-27-07 08:42 PM |
#41 |
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Post #27. What I'm saying is I don't understand the evidence, seems subjective, though taken as a |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 08:47 PM |
#49 |
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Yeah, well a) he pled to a reduced charge and b) he DID NOT |
rzemanfl |
Aug-27-07 08:20 PM |
#2 |
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Who knows? |
cat_girl25 |
Aug-27-07 08:20 PM |
#3 |
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You Forgot The Part Where He Peeked In The Other Occupant's Stall |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 08:23 PM |
#6 |
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All apart of getting toilet paper my dear DemocratSinceBirth... |
originalpckelly |
Aug-27-07 08:41 PM |
#39 |
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Because saying "Hand me some TP" would be too weird. |
Blue-Jay |
Aug-27-07 08:26 PM |
#16 |
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The Square to spare scandal. |
chimpsrsmarter |
Aug-27-07 08:27 PM |
#20 |
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I don't touch other people's feet in the next stall. |
missb |
Aug-27-07 08:21 PM |
#4 |
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This was a clear form of solicitation, apparently, in the men's bathroom |
wienerdoggie |
Aug-27-07 08:23 PM |
#8 |
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Remind me not to peek into stalls, put my bag next to me and not tap my foot. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 08:27 PM |
#19 |
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But Do You TOUCH SOMEONES FOOT? |
Beetwasher |
Aug-27-07 08:27 PM |
#21 |
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what was the hand thing about? I don't know Men's Toilet Lewdness signals. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 08:37 PM |
#31 |
| -
Apparently It Means You Want Sex |
Beetwasher |
Aug-27-07 08:43 PM |
#42 |
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it means hand is looking for something to jerk off |
goodhue |
Aug-27-07 09:37 PM |
#93 |
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that was you? |
stillcool47 |
Aug-27-07 08:37 PM |
#32 |
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I couldn't tell if it was a roller bag in the way or a blocked off stall, sorry. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 08:39 PM |
#35 |
| -
Come on now. This was no coincidence or accident. Men don't |
wienerdoggie |
Aug-27-07 08:47 PM |
#47 |
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You're probably fine. Don't worry. |
electron_blue |
Aug-27-07 10:22 PM |
#146 |
| -
according to that article Craig was also peeping him through the crack |
chimpsrsmarter |
Aug-27-07 08:24 PM |
#10 |
| -
It seems like |
madaboutharry |
Aug-27-07 08:25 PM |
#11 |
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I Agree, You're Right Of Course, It IS Sad Where SOME People Are |
Beetwasher |
Aug-27-07 08:26 PM |
#18 |
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I would never excuse the hypocrisy |
madaboutharry |
Aug-27-07 08:30 PM |
#23 |
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You said what I was thinking. So sad, for humanity, especially if |
higher class |
Aug-27-07 08:36 PM |
#29 |
| -
Maybe it's some secret gay, closeted Republican code in the Twin Cities? |
MrScorpio |
Aug-27-07 08:25 PM |
#13 |
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You put your bag by the door, you tap your foot, you play footsie with your neighbor |
MADem |
Aug-27-07 08:25 PM |
#14 |
| -
I'm NOT saying he isn't a hypocritical douchebag. OKAY?!?!? |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 08:31 PM |
#24 |
| -
They don't NEED more. He pled guilty! |
Bluebear |
Aug-27-07 08:37 PM |
#30 |
| -
and now he's saying he pled guilty by mistake or some such. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 08:38 PM |
#33 |
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Well, I'm saying that anyone who plays footsie with you in the men's room |
MADem |
Aug-27-07 08:41 PM |
#38 |
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Did You Know Some Stalls Have Holes In Them To Facilitate Such Contact? |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 08:47 PM |
#48 |
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penis holes? Hey, if he was using one of those, yeah, no problem |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 08:54 PM |
#51 |
| -
So your standard procedure when taking a piss in public |
youngdem |
Aug-27-07 08:28 PM |
#22 |
| -
wow, thats a good summation. |
chimpsrsmarter |
Aug-27-07 08:34 PM |
#26 |
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My procedure is to look and see if there is a stall empty, then go in. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 08:35 PM |
#27 |
| -
Actually, |
madaboutharry |
Aug-27-07 08:40 PM |
#37 |
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I try to get enough off to get to the inside of an unrolled part. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 08:43 PM |
#43 |
| -
I would never sit on a public toilet. |
madaboutharry |
Aug-27-07 08:46 PM |
#44 |
| -
You're asking for your bag to be stolen if you put it by the door, IMO (n/t) |
Ino |
Aug-27-07 08:47 PM |
#46 |
| -
He Gazed At A Guy Through The Crack For Two Minutes |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 08:54 PM |
#52 |
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No guys in the womens room. Usually. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 09:01 PM |
#53 |
| -
He Lied ... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 09:06 PM |
#56 |
| -
What does my behaviour have to do with adequate evidence? |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 09:11 PM |
#61 |
| -
He Plead Guilty |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 09:19 PM |
#73 |
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Probably not a legal right but I'm not sure. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 09:21 PM |
#77 |
| -
Are You Arguing That People Have The Right To Look At Other People On The Crapper |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 10:17 PM |
#139 |
| -
Are you arguing no one has the right to look through a crack around a stall door? |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 10:20 PM |
#143 |
| -
Whatever. He plead guilty n/t |
DemKR |
Aug-27-07 08:39 PM |
#34 |
| -
Approximately 30 messages and no recommendations - as it |
higher class |
Aug-27-07 08:46 PM |
#45 |
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I am wondering about evidence. Evidence used to possibly convict someone. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 08:52 PM |
#50 |
| -
the fact that he touched the side of the guy's |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-27-07 09:05 PM |
#55 |
| -
Thank you. Most of those replying aren't seeing my question |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 09:09 PM |
#57 |
| -
I hear that |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-27-07 09:12 PM |
#62 |
| -
right hand or left hand? They mean different things. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 09:15 PM |
#69 |
| -
Ooops, I forgot the code..... |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-27-07 09:24 PM |
#80 |
| -
Please Answer My Question |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 09:32 PM |
#89 |
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If he was waiting for the guy in the next stall to finish and leave, yes. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 09:39 PM |
#96 |
| -
He Kept Looking At The Guy In The Stall Through The Crack |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 09:43 PM |
#103 |
| -
I wonder if anyone noticed the cop being in his stall for 13 minutes, wondered why. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 09:45 PM |
#107 |
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Male Restroom Etiquette |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 09:51 PM |
#114 |
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Dupe, darn glitchy connection. Or maybe it's a secret code? hmm, beware |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 09:39 PM |
#97 |
| -
Would You Gaze At A Woman Who Was On The Crapper Through The Crack Like Craig? |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 09:14 PM |
#67 |
| -
What does my behaviour have to do with adequate evidence? |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 09:20 PM |
#74 |
| -
I Don't Know What Constitutes Lewd And Lascivious Behavior |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 09:11 PM |
#60 |
| -
Of COURSE we should have the same rights. That's the problem with shoddy evidence |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 09:13 PM |
#64 |
| -
I agree about having sex |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-27-07 09:14 PM |
#68 |
| -
If You Don't Want To Be Framed Don't Put Yourself In The Picture |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 09:17 PM |
#71 |
| -
I'm sure he was soliciting for sex...... |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-27-07 09:25 PM |
#81 |
| -
He Plead Guilty |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 09:29 PM |
#86 |
| -
Yes, solicitation is illegal. |
electron_blue |
Aug-27-07 10:25 PM |
#150 |
| -
Yeah, I decided to try to keep the topic really clear and concise here. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 10:28 PM |
#157 |
| -
If You Don't Want To Be Framed Don't Put Yourself In The Picture |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-27-07 09:27 PM |
#84 |
| -
That's A Non Sequitur |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 09:39 PM |
#98 |
| -
here is the repost. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 09:42 PM |
#102 |
| -
I'm with you about evidence. If this were just breaking, I would be |
higher class |
Aug-27-07 09:10 PM |
#59 |
| -
Okay if you break this down to one ..... act at a time .... as in ...... |
doublethink |
Aug-27-07 09:23 PM |
#78 |
| -
Innocent people plead guilty all the time. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 09:26 PM |
#83 |
| -
I kind of understand what your saying .... kind of ....like the grey areas ....in between ..... |
doublethink |
Aug-27-07 09:41 PM |
#100 |
| -
A sitting US Senator pled guilty to a sex crime so it wouldn't be publicized. |
FredScuttle |
Aug-27-07 09:41 PM |
#101 |
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Same party that attacked Iraq for 9/11 WMDs Saddam Demokracy. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 09:44 PM |
#104 |
| -
HE DIDN'T PLEAD GUILTY TO A SEX CRIME...... |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-27-07 10:21 PM |
#144 |
| -
Me, I generally just clamber over the top of the stall while undressing |
IDemo |
Aug-27-07 09:10 PM |
#58 |
| -
That was YOU??? |
Bluebear |
Aug-27-07 09:12 PM |
#63 |
| -
Sorry that super high note at the end damaged my throat |
IDemo |
Aug-27-07 09:13 PM |
#65 |
| -
Obviously he was trying to get the guy's attention. |
MrSlayer |
Aug-27-07 09:14 PM |
#66 |
| -
That's my issue with it, so to speak. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 09:16 PM |
#70 |
| -
OK, is that is what you're driving at? If yes, we should take Craig out of |
higher class |
Aug-27-07 09:47 PM |
#109 |
| -
Yes. I don't care about this particular person but the situation, the Evidence |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 09:53 PM |
#116 |
| -
dupe of a bad joke |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 09:18 PM |
#72 |
| -
Thank you..... |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-27-07 10:28 PM |
#158 |
| -
He's a Sen. from a 'safe state' who can be easily replaced w/ an R |
alittlelark |
Aug-27-07 09:20 PM |
#75 |
| -
Your question is, what is the crime, right? I'm not sure either. |
Skip Intro |
Aug-27-07 09:21 PM |
#76 |
| -
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST....HE PLED GUILTY |
FredScuttle |
Aug-27-07 09:24 PM |
#79 |
| -
I just don't get the apologists for this guy. Very strange. |
Beausoir |
Aug-27-07 09:25 PM |
#82 |
| -
NOT the guy, the "EVIDENCE" |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 09:29 PM |
#87 |
| -
"subjective codes"....LOL |
FredScuttle |
Aug-27-07 09:38 PM |
#94 |
| -
You Forgot The Part Where Craig Watched Him On The Crapper For Two Minutes And Waved At Him... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 09:46 PM |
#108 |
| -
Where is waving in this police report? I don't see it. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 09:51 PM |
#115 |
| -
The Paragraph Next To The Last |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 09:53 PM |
#117 |
| -
AH, so you are interpreting "swiped his hand" as "wave" |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 09:56 PM |
#119 |
| -
It's Circumstantial Evidence |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 10:00 PM |
#122 |
| -
I don't think anybody's apologizing for the guy, just curious about what the crime is. |
Skip Intro |
Aug-27-07 10:08 PM |
#128 |
| -
People plead guilty when they are not. It happens. Not that he is saying no, I want |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 09:28 PM |
#85 |
| -
I agree the news account is thin. Since he did plead guilty however, I'm going to guess that |
Mayberry Machiavelli |
Aug-27-07 09:31 PM |
#88 |
| -
Are you fucking kidding me? |
FredScuttle |
Aug-27-07 09:35 PM |
#92 |
| -
It happens and insults don't help here. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 09:40 PM |
#99 |
| -
As opposed to the publicity he's enjoying now? |
FredScuttle |
Aug-27-07 09:44 PM |
#106 |
| -
I'm not taking up for him. I don't care about him, I care about legal evidence. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 09:49 PM |
#111 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-27-07 09:56 PM |
#120 |
| -
He Had The Right To Confront His Accuser In Court And Punked Out... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 09:57 PM |
#121 |
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Some people do find poop/pee erotic. Hence "golden showers" and other such stuff |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 10:04 PM |
#125 |
| -
Until you've been in a public men's bathroom |
FredScuttle |
Aug-27-07 10:08 PM |
#129 |
| -
Go tell that to the poster who keeps asking me if it's appropriate. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 10:15 PM |
#138 |
| -
You're the one who's agitating that it may be "appropriate" |
FredScuttle |
Aug-27-07 10:37 PM |
#167 |
| -
Not defending, looking for concrete evidence. There is a difference |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 10:42 PM |
#171 |
| -
The Passive Agressive Defense |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 10:44 PM |
#175 |
| -
You wouldn't recognize the evidence |
FredScuttle |
Aug-27-07 10:46 PM |
#178 |
| -
If Someone Is Into Scat That's Their Right |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 10:09 PM |
#130 |
| -
dupe again, connection goes in and out. argh |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 09:49 PM |
#113 |
| -
"Bizarro DU" is right. Trying to excuse this guy is just plain goofy. |
Beausoir |
Aug-27-07 09:44 PM |
#105 |
| -
NOT trying to excuse him at all, just wanting Hard evidence, not secret stuff |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 09:47 PM |
#110 |
| -
Did you read the arrest report? |
FredScuttle |
Aug-27-07 09:55 PM |
#118 |
| -
Yes I did. He waited until the stall was empty before entering (stalking or waited?) |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 10:01 PM |
#123 |
| -
I'll Make It Easy For You... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 10:07 PM |
#127 |
| -
I'm not going to argue with you anymore |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 10:09 PM |
#131 |
| -
What You Call Ambiguities And Insinuations Is Indirect Evidence Or Circumstantial Evidence |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 10:12 PM |
#133 |
| -
Not circumstancial evidence but ambiguous, unclear evidence. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 10:15 PM |
#137 |
| -
Ambiguous to you maybe |
FredScuttle |
Aug-27-07 10:28 PM |
#155 |
| -
I Guess You Have Never Been On A Jury... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 10:28 PM |
#156 |
| -
1) stall was occupied. When it emptied he entered it. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 10:30 PM |
#162 |
| -
When Waiting For A Stall In A Men's Restroom You Stand As Far Away As Possible... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 10:39 PM |
#169 |
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Until you've frequented women's rooms, you can't compare or have any idea. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 10:45 PM |
#176 |
| -
It Doesn't Saying Anything About Watching Somebody Do Their Business For Two Minutes... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 10:56 PM |
#179 |
| -
Pretty much sums it up. |
Beausoir |
Aug-27-07 10:19 PM |
#141 |
| -
You go on and on about having trouble with the "evidence" |
FredScuttle |
Aug-27-07 10:12 PM |
#134 |
| -
I Think Craig Wanted To Get In The Cops Pants And Not Vice Versa |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 10:19 PM |
#142 |
| -
right |
FredScuttle |
Aug-27-07 10:23 PM |
#147 |
| -
Once again missing the point, confusing a person with evidence. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 10:26 PM |
#152 |
| -
No, my point is that the "evidence" that would have satisfied you |
FredScuttle |
Aug-27-07 10:33 PM |
#165 |
| -
"kids"? Surely you exaggerate |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 10:35 PM |
#166 |
| -
Surely I exaggerate? |
FredScuttle |
Aug-27-07 10:39 PM |
#168 |
| -
Don't You Know We Don't Defecate Or Urinate Until We Are Adults? |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 10:43 PM |
#174 |
| -
And then....like Republican Vitter....we use diapers. |
Beausoir |
Aug-27-07 10:46 PM |
#177 |
| -
Kids don't use public restrooms? |
Beausoir |
Aug-27-07 10:40 PM |
#170 |
| -
Thank you |
FredScuttle |
Aug-27-07 10:43 PM |
#173 |
| -
He pled GUILTY. Jesus. How much more hard evidence do you need? |
Beausoir |
Aug-27-07 10:11 PM |
#132 |
| -
Pleading guilty means he is guilty? |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 10:13 PM |
#135 |
| -
So...you are saying that he...a white male United States Senator..was railroaded? |
Beausoir |
Aug-27-07 10:15 PM |
#136 |
| -
As far as pleading guilty, I am saying people plead guilty for all sorts |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 10:18 PM |
#140 |
| -
Ok...so there is a pretty in-depth police report AND an admission of guilt. What else do you need? |
Beausoir |
Aug-27-07 10:21 PM |
#145 |
| -
He plead guilty to disorderly conduct. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 10:24 PM |
#148 |
| -
Apparently Craig was fine with the evidence too |
FredScuttle |
Aug-27-07 10:26 PM |
#151 |
| -
He pled guilty. That's NOT subjective evidence. It's FACT. |
Beausoir |
Aug-27-07 10:29 PM |
#160 |
| -
Do millionaire politicians plead guilty all the time? |
FredScuttle |
Aug-27-07 10:25 PM |
#149 |
| -
The part about pleading guilty that gets me is he was arrested Jun 11 and he |
electron_blue |
Aug-27-07 10:27 PM |
#154 |
| -
Well you know |
FredScuttle |
Aug-27-07 10:30 PM |
#161 |
| -
Actually I think many of them think they are Gods, sort of like surgeons do. |
uppityperson |
Aug-27-07 10:32 PM |
#164 |
| -
Ding, ding... Give this man the prize! |
MrMickeysMom |
Aug-27-07 09:49 PM |
#112 |
| -
strikes me as a joke that this is not obvious and apparent lewd conduct |
goodhue |
Aug-27-07 09:33 PM |
#90 |
| -
Here is the thing that seems improbable... |
salin |
Aug-27-07 09:34 PM |
#91 |
| -
He was cruising |
FredScuttle |
Aug-27-07 09:39 PM |
#95 |
| -
You Forgot The Part Where Craig Watched Him On The Toilet For Two Minutes And Waved At Him... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-27-07 10:03 PM |
#124 |
| -
"one's legs so far sprawled to the sides that it would stretch to the other stall |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-27-07 10:27 PM |
#153 |
| -
Right |
FredScuttle |
Aug-27-07 10:29 PM |
#159 |
| -
Thank you.... |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-27-07 10:32 PM |
#163 |
| -
I'm a 6'2" man, and I can assure you, my feet have never come anywhere near |
mondo joe |
Aug-27-07 11:09 PM |
#180 |
| -
When he's not standing in a toilet stall, which Committees does |
higher class |
Aug-27-07 10:05 PM |
#126 |
| -
sit on? |
bambino |
Aug-27-07 10:43 PM |
#172 |
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