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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-29-07 08:22 AM
Response to Reply #116
126. Where is the misleading promise?
Seriously? Who the hell thinks they have a GOOD chance of winning the lottery?
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  -If I could wave my hand and all state-run lotteries would disappear, I would do it. raccoon  Aug-27-07 08:06 AM   #0 
  - It's a tax on the poor  Robb   Aug-27-07 08:08 AM   #1 
  - actually, it's a tax on the stupid...and not all poor people are stupid.  QuestionAll   Aug-27-07 11:30 AM   #28 
     - I've always heard it was a tax...  DuStrange   Aug-27-07 12:44 PM   #41 
     - I wonder when people decided taxes were purely optional.  mondo joe   Aug-27-07 01:00 PM   #44 
     - Why force people to pay when more than enough pay anyway?  BadgerLaw2010   Aug-27-07 01:10 PM   #47 
     - well  MonkeyFunk   Aug-27-07 01:10 PM   #46 
        - I'm not an expert on decision theory, but there's more to it than positive expected value.  Telly Savalas   Aug-27-07 09:07 PM   #69 
        - This sentence should be printed and framed, Mr. Kojak:  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Aug-29-07 09:07 AM   #128 
        - Just because of your post, I went and bought a ticket for the Brazilian "Mega-sena."  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Aug-29-07 08:54 AM   #127 
     - You're arguing cause  Robb   Aug-27-07 01:35 PM   #53 
        - But everything the poor buy have the effect of them having less money.  mondo joe   Aug-27-07 01:47 PM   #55 
        - it's a totally VOLUNTARY "tax"...they buy the tickets of their own volition-  QuestionAll   Aug-27-07 01:57 PM   #57 
        - Agreed - but see the post above yours  Robb   Aug-27-07 08:14 PM   #65 
        - The churches and liquor/cigarette magnates hate the lottery  jmowreader   Aug-28-07 10:48 AM   #78 
  - I am filled with shame that here in GA, the only way we'll provide free college tuition  bunkerbuster1   Aug-27-07 08:10 AM   #2 
  - I would agree - it is a regressive tax and kind of monsterous  bryant69   Aug-27-07 08:11 AM   #3 
  - Which is exactly the way the powerful want it.  raccoon   Aug-27-07 08:16 AM   #6 
  - It's a tax on those who are bad at math  Wickerman   Aug-27-07 08:13 AM   #4 
  - I always tell my kids that I am more likely to be struck  missb   Aug-27-07 03:18 PM   #63 
  - So, the winners of lottery jackpots...bad at math, but filthy rich  Squatch   Aug-29-07 07:22 AM   #119 
  - I had a boyfriend once a long time ago  yasmina27   Aug-27-07 08:13 AM   #5 
  - I don't think I would...  cynatnite   Aug-27-07 08:17 AM   #7 
  - If I had a magic wand, you would win the lottery  Evergreen Emerald   Aug-27-07 08:19 AM   #8 
  - I consider the money I spend on the lottery my entertainment budget.  hobbit709   Aug-27-07 08:19 AM   #9 
  - Play online bingo. It's more fun. n/t  conspirator   Aug-30-07 06:30 PM   #176 
  - From that perspective it is just as much an opiate of the masses  PRETZEL   Aug-27-07 08:19 AM   #10 
  - No one holds a gun to their head to participate.  Mutineer   Aug-27-07 08:22 AM   #11 
  - Exactly  The Gunslinger   Aug-27-07 08:29 PM   #67 
  - People will do what they want to do  The Traveler   Aug-27-07 08:26 AM   #12 
  - If you scratch the surface of the campaigns to initiate lotteries you'll find the biggest promoters  A HERETIC I AM   Aug-27-07 08:29 AM   #13 
  - If the state were to allow free competition from private enterprise..  The Vinyl Ripper   Aug-27-07 11:41 AM   #33 
  - For most it is a harmless and inexpensive dream  cobalt1999   Aug-27-07 08:38 AM   #14 
  - It's ok to be authoritarian when you're *right*.  BlooInBloo   Aug-27-07 08:40 AM   #15 
  - If you could do that  PATRICK   Aug-27-07 08:49 AM   #16 
  - I almost agree. In agenda, yes; but in form, maybe just one change  LanternWaste   Aug-27-07 08:57 AM   #17 
  - I think it was in the first chapter of 1984...  Javaman   Aug-27-07 09:57 AM   #18 
  - I thought like that once too.  Beelzebud   Aug-27-07 10:25 AM   #19 
     - Do I know you? do you work for the ministry of truth?  Javaman   Aug-27-07 10:55 AM   #22 
     - You should recuse yourself from this thread.  Bonobo   Aug-27-07 12:42 PM   #38 
     - Yeah, didn't you win a few hundred grand not long ago?  MLFerrell   Aug-28-07 03:15 PM   #86 
  - What if all that money people spent was put in a savings account somewhere  Truth Hurts A Lot   Aug-27-07 10:28 AM   #20 
  - The lottery is the only REAL way to get ahead in America.  KillCapitalism   Aug-27-07 10:29 AM   #21 
  - I'd prefer to have the lottery over individuals deciding what others can do.  mondo joe   Aug-27-07 10:58 AM   #23 
  - Abolish the lottery and millions would lose their only retirement plan n/t  Wiregrass Willie   Aug-27-07 11:02 AM   #24 
  - NO!! Then I'll never get that little villa in Tuscany!  Lone_Star_Dem   Aug-27-07 11:10 AM   #25 
  - Gee, have you ever thought that the masses *need* some sort of opiate,  MadHound   Aug-27-07 11:12 AM   #26 
  - Indeed. With loud voices on the right and left telling people their personal choices are  mondo joe   Aug-27-07 12:57 PM   #43 
  - that implies that nothing will ever be done to improve their situation  hfojvt   Aug-28-07 05:16 AM   #76 
  - Dreaming of a politician? HAH!  MadHound   Aug-28-07 05:30 AM   #77 
  - Great post. nt  raccoon   Aug-29-07 08:17 AM   #122 
  - and that nothing should be done in the interim ...  iverglas   Aug-29-07 09:19 AM   #130 
  - Yes! Toss them something even if it's a anvil. They'll be happy for a moment anyway....  GOTV   Aug-28-07 03:39 PM   #91 
     - I like that ;)  iverglas   Aug-29-07 09:20 AM   #131 
        - It's my own as far as I know.  GOTV   Aug-29-07 04:12 PM   #138 
  - I used to think that...  Stuckinthebush   Aug-27-07 11:30 AM   #27 
  - That is good to know about UGA. I don't know what the hell CT does  CTyankee   Aug-27-07 01:34 PM   #52 
  - You got that right, "A big influx of money tends to make people selfish and greedy. "  raccoon   Aug-29-07 08:19 AM   #123 
  - If you know you won't win, why is it fun to play? ....  GOTV   Aug-28-07 04:02 PM   #93 
     - I should be more clear  Stuckinthebush   Aug-29-07 07:18 AM   #118 
     - Very low? Any idea how many lifetimes you'd have to spend to get the odds only to 50%?  GOTV   Aug-29-07 04:12 PM   #137 
        - Jesus Christ in a Zippy Mart, what is your point?  Stuckinthebush   Aug-29-07 09:33 PM   #162 
     - One person's fun is another's poison.  mondo joe   Aug-29-07 08:21 AM   #125 
  - yup, just one more example of exploitation  iverglas   Aug-27-07 11:31 AM   #29 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-27-07 11:50 AM   #34 
  - Freedom involves some unpleasant things.  Starbucks Anarchist   Aug-28-07 06:09 PM   #105 
     - I know, I know  iverglas   Aug-28-07 07:41 PM   #107 
        - Yes, it is an ironic name.  Starbucks Anarchist   Aug-28-07 08:46 PM   #109 
  - If you had that kind of power, could you just make me winner of the Powerball first?  BurtWorm   Aug-27-07 11:32 AM   #30 
  - I've nearly completed my Bachelor's degree for free in Ga.  DemGa   Aug-27-07 11:35 AM   #31 
  - "a tax on the math challenged" . . . but someone who's bad at math will win.  HughBeaumont   Aug-27-07 11:38 AM   #32 
  - having worked at a convenience store where I sold lottery tickets  bleedingheart   Aug-27-07 12:40 PM   #37 
  - Any gambling game with double-digit house edge is predatory.  BadgerLaw2010   Aug-27-07 01:14 PM   #48 
  - "Predatory"??  iverglas   Aug-27-07 01:30 PM   #51 
  - When the hope is illusory, robbing people of it would be liberation  GOTV   Aug-28-07 04:17 PM   #96 
     - Great. Start with "Horatio Alger" and work your way on down to casinos . . .  HughBeaumont   Aug-28-07 05:45 PM   #103 
  - would you also bar all legal gambling?  onenote   Aug-27-07 12:39 PM   #35 
  - this is not a case for media bias  ComerPerro   Aug-27-07 12:39 PM   #36 
  - And a follow up piece on jane/joe doe who are backwhere they started  CTyankee   Aug-27-07 01:39 PM   #54 
  - I would eliminate all lotteries too, but for a more selfish reason  ComerPerro   Aug-27-07 12:42 PM   #39 
  - I don't talk to ladies like that EVER. For any reason.  cherokeeprogressive   Aug-27-07 09:14 PM   #70 
  - matter of fact, I first asked the cashier if I could pay and the lady yelled at me  ComerPerro   Aug-28-07 04:17 AM   #73 
     - You didn't volunteer that little tidbit the first time.  cherokeeprogressive   Aug-28-07 11:54 AM   #80 
        - you know what you sound like to me  ComerPerro   Aug-28-07 01:00 PM   #81 
           - Wow. Wrong on all counts.  cherokeeprogressive   Aug-28-07 02:02 PM   #83 
              - oh, I doubt it. I think I have you, and many posters here, nailed  ComerPerro   Aug-28-07 02:08 PM   #84 
                 - LOL! Okay Carnac.  cherokeeprogressive   Aug-28-07 05:02 PM   #101 
  - Now, scratch tickets are truly evil. They can suck an addicted person's money in no time flat.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Aug-29-07 09:10 AM   #129 
  - I've seen people in the convenience stores actually surprised they lost.  youthere   Aug-27-07 12:42 PM   #40 
  - Like my late grandfather used to say...  LanternWaste   Aug-27-07 12:45 PM   #42 
  - State lotto is the worst odds gambling available and a highly regressive way of raising money  BadgerLaw2010   Aug-27-07 01:09 PM   #45 
  - Should we ban gambling too?  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-27-07 01:16 PM   #49 
  - money for entertainment is not the same as money for less money.  wuushew   Aug-28-07 01:24 PM   #82 
  - The lottery ticket is just as much entertainment.  mondo joe   Aug-28-07 08:47 PM   #110 
  - How do you know I am not poor fool?  wuushew   Aug-28-07 09:04 PM   #113 
  - Do you actually want me to answer your questions? I will.  mondo joe   Aug-29-07 08:20 AM   #124 
  - THe entertainment is contingent upon the player misunderstanding the odds ...  GOTV   Aug-28-07 10:44 PM   #117 
     - The entertainment is contingent on the player's feeling about it. NT  mondo joe   Aug-29-07 08:10 AM   #121 
        - Exactly. They wouldn't play the game if they were felt there was zero chance...  GOTV   Aug-29-07 04:21 PM   #143 
           - But there's not a ZERO chance - just close to ZERO.  mondo joe   Aug-29-07 07:14 PM   #158 
  - All of the above are entertaining.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-28-07 08:48 PM   #111 
  - There's no misleading promise that you might win with arcade games n/t  GOTV   Aug-28-07 10:42 PM   #116 
     - Where is the misleading promise?  mondo joe   Aug-29-07 08:22 AM   #126 
        - I don't believe it's possible for most to understand just how bad the odds are. Who can really  GOTV   Aug-29-07 04:16 PM   #142 
           - Can you grasp it?  mondo joe   Aug-29-07 06:11 PM   #152 
              - I didn't say anything about "the rest of you"....  GOTV   Aug-29-07 07:10 PM   #155 
                 - I wonder, do you think most people can grasp issues adequately to vote in the general  mondo joe   Aug-29-07 07:13 PM   #156 
                    - People do not typically vote for issues in the GE, they vote for people....  GOTV   Aug-30-07 04:49 PM   #164 
                       - I see. So do you feel Americans should not have the right to vote in the general election?  mondo joe   Aug-30-07 04:52 PM   #165 
                          - No. I believe they should have the right. I also think they don't do a very good job.  GOTV   Aug-30-07 05:05 PM   #170 
                             - On what basis do you think people should have the right to vote, given how many  mondo joe   Aug-30-07 05:08 PM   #172 
                                - I believe a country should be run by its citizens...  GOTV   Aug-30-07 05:35 PM   #174 
                                   - That sounds very reasonable. I concur.  mondo joe   Aug-30-07 05:56 PM   #175 
  - That's the trouble...  MonkeyFunk   Aug-27-07 01:17 PM   #50 
  - Yup that is'  michaelwb   Aug-29-07 07:59 AM   #120 
  - Damn those social nannies!  LanternWaste   Aug-29-07 09:52 AM   #132 
     - And lottery tickets are like hand grenades now?  mondo joe   Aug-29-07 10:00 AM   #134 
        - Or I.E.D.s -- Improvised Economic Devices.  Starbucks Anarchist   Aug-29-07 04:13 PM   #139 
        - I'm simply trying to get a precise and consistent definition  LanternWaste   Aug-30-07 01:03 PM   #163 
           - I see. And conflating spending $1 on a lottery ticket which makes one  mondo joe   Aug-30-07 04:55 PM   #167 
  - Considering...  qdemn7   Aug-27-07 01:47 PM   #56 
  - I call it my 'dream tax'  ProdigalJunkMail   Aug-27-07 02:08 PM   #58 
  - I play the lottery on occasion  Throd   Aug-27-07 03:03 PM   #59 
  - You will never take away my Irish Sweepstakes!  AngryAmish   Aug-27-07 03:07 PM   #60 
  - what other measures would you take to regulate how the "masses" spend their money  onenote   Aug-27-07 03:10 PM   #61 
  - Usually they mean "them asses" when they want to protect people from themselves  Throd   Aug-27-07 03:15 PM   #62 
  - Playing the "big bucks" lottery is foolish. $5 scratchoffs, on the other hand...  seawolf   Aug-27-07 05:10 PM   #64 
  - Agreed.  mb7588a   Aug-27-07 08:19 PM   #66 
  - Thanks to republicans, this is now the working man's pension plan.  B Calm   Aug-27-07 08:45 PM   #68 
  - I object to applying exhorbitant taxes on cigarettes and booze to the general fund  Romulox   Aug-27-07 09:21 PM   #71 
  - A couple of dollars per week won't make anyone poor  Lydia Leftcoast   Aug-27-07 09:30 PM   #72 
  - Don't underestimate the power of an increasing annuity  wuushew   Aug-28-07 03:04 PM   #85 
  - I agree with you to a degree,  Beerboy   Aug-28-07 04:33 AM   #74 
  - I just love it when complete strangers  Retired AF Dem   Aug-28-07 04:50 AM   #75 
  - I was actually poor and won the lottery about  mountainvue   Aug-28-07 10:50 AM   #79 
  - I think even "the poor" know that the odds are extremely bad and that most don't win  nonconformist   Aug-28-07 03:19 PM   #87 
  - I wouldn't.  Zavulon   Aug-28-07 03:25 PM   #88 
  - Neither do our beloved corporations . . .  HughBeaumont   Aug-28-07 05:38 PM   #102 
  - most of the playground equip at my sons school is paid for  Colorado Progressive   Aug-28-07 03:26 PM   #89 
  - Yes, but such equipment should not be optional  wuushew   Aug-28-07 03:38 PM   #90 
  - I agree. But for now, at least they have more than sticks and rocks to play with  Colorado Progressive   Aug-28-07 04:13 PM   #95 
  - Why should only the rich pay taxes.  Thothmes   Aug-29-07 09:57 AM   #133 
  - Which is not to say they wouldn't have that equipment anyway....  GOTV   Aug-28-07 06:54 PM   #106 
     - dunno, just glad its there. My state is 49th in funding schools sooo.....  Colorado Progressive   Aug-28-07 08:41 PM   #108 
        - It's usually sold as benefitting the schools, but it doesn't. The schools get what the pols budget.  GOTV   Aug-29-07 04:14 PM   #141 
  - If I Could Wave My Hand and Make Any Law Go Away, I Wouldn't Waste It  Crisco   Aug-28-07 03:44 PM   #92 
  - Yes, I'd rather repeal  Lydia Leftcoast   Aug-28-07 04:47 PM   #100 
  - So would I. I don't think they are right.  GOTV   Aug-28-07 04:02 PM   #94 
  - Thank goodness the patronizing puritans don't have that power, then. NT  mondo joe   Aug-28-07 08:48 PM   #112 
     - I have an idea  iverglas   Aug-28-07 09:55 PM   #114 
     - I have another idea. Give adult citizens the right to vote, regardless of their  mondo joe   Aug-29-07 03:54 PM   #135 
        - well  iverglas   Aug-29-07 05:43 PM   #147 
           - Wrong as usual. But why stop a losing streak now?  mondo joe   Aug-29-07 06:10 PM   #151 
     - Yeah, thank god. The lottery has been such a benefit n/t  GOTV   Aug-29-07 04:09 PM   #136 
        - The lottery has certainly provided for infrastructure and education.  mondo joe   Aug-29-07 06:13 PM   #153 
           - Bullshit. We had those things before the lotteries  GOTV   Aug-29-07 07:14 PM   #157 
              - And who said we didn't? Or that the lottery is the only way to have them?  mondo joe   Aug-29-07 07:15 PM   #159 
                 - Therefore the lottery did not provide them....  GOTV   Aug-29-07 07:27 PM   #160 
                    - When other funding sources have been cut, it sure did.  mondo joe   Aug-29-07 07:28 PM   #161 
                       - No, people decide where the money goes. People are responsible....  GOTV   Aug-30-07 04:52 PM   #166 
                          - Hm, not precisely.  mondo joe   Aug-30-07 04:59 PM   #169 
                             - If we value them, we would fund them another way....  GOTV   Aug-30-07 05:07 PM   #171 
                                - Even those things that are valued compete for a piece of the pie.  mondo joe   Aug-30-07 05:12 PM   #173 
  - Crack  DangerDave921   Aug-28-07 04:24 PM   #97 
  - Google "Crack + CIA"  wuushew   Aug-28-07 04:28 PM   #98 
  - Gee thanks daddy for deciding what's best for me.  Reciprocity   Aug-28-07 04:34 PM   #99 
  - hmmmm is it the lottery or a gambling problem that is the problem?  nini   Aug-28-07 05:47 PM   #104 
  - I LIKE scratchin that silver shit off cardborad. Its fun! What the hell???nt  Colorado Progressive   Aug-28-07 10:39 PM   #115 
  - The way the stock market has been.....  BlackVelvet04   Aug-29-07 04:13 PM   #140 
  - What about all the programs that are funded via the lottery system?  Nutmegger   Aug-29-07 04:26 PM   #144 
  - what about all the posts in this thread  iverglas   Aug-29-07 05:46 PM   #148 
     - Hey take that snark and shove it.  Nutmegger   Aug-29-07 05:58 PM   #149 
        - many reactions should be thought through  iverglas   Aug-29-07 06:07 PM   #150 
           - Oh is that a DU rule?  Nutmegger   Aug-29-07 06:22 PM   #154 
  - Thanks for reminding me to buy a Mega Millions ticket  WildEyedLiberal   Aug-29-07 04:41 PM   #145 
  - Look at the bright side...  leaninglib   Aug-29-07 05:06 PM   #146 
  - if I spend $5 per week on lotto tickets and you spend...  praeclarus   Aug-30-07 04:55 PM   #168 

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