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How much money people piss away ALL legal forms of gambling should be eliminated. Along with banning tobacco and alcohol. After all, all three are first thought of by people in government as a method of raising tax revenues. We tried banning alcohol once before and it worked REAL well. Just like how much of a magnificent success the War on Drugs has been.  |
| -If I could wave my hand and all state-run lotteries would disappear, I would do it. |
raccoon |
Aug-27-07 08:06 AM |
#0 |
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It's a tax on the poor |
Robb |
Aug-27-07 08:08 AM |
#1 |
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actually, it's a tax on the stupid...and not all poor people are stupid. |
QuestionAll |
Aug-27-07 11:30 AM |
#28 |
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I've always heard it was a tax... |
DuStrange |
Aug-27-07 12:44 PM |
#41 |
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I wonder when people decided taxes were purely optional. |
mondo joe |
Aug-27-07 01:00 PM |
#44 |
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Why force people to pay when more than enough pay anyway? |
BadgerLaw2010 |
Aug-27-07 01:10 PM |
#47 |
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well |
MonkeyFunk |
Aug-27-07 01:10 PM |
#46 |
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I'm not an expert on decision theory, but there's more to it than positive expected value. |
Telly Savalas |
Aug-27-07 09:07 PM |
#69 |
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This sentence should be printed and framed, Mr. Kojak: |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Aug-29-07 09:07 AM |
#128 |
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Just because of your post, I went and bought a ticket for the Brazilian "Mega-sena." |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Aug-29-07 08:54 AM |
#127 |
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You're arguing cause |
Robb |
Aug-27-07 01:35 PM |
#53 |
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But everything the poor buy have the effect of them having less money. |
mondo joe |
Aug-27-07 01:47 PM |
#55 |
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it's a totally VOLUNTARY "tax"...they buy the tickets of their own volition- |
QuestionAll |
Aug-27-07 01:57 PM |
#57 |
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Agreed - but see the post above yours |
Robb |
Aug-27-07 08:14 PM |
#65 |
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The churches and liquor/cigarette magnates hate the lottery |
jmowreader |
Aug-28-07 10:48 AM |
#78 |
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I am filled with shame that here in GA, the only way we'll provide free college tuition |
bunkerbuster1 |
Aug-27-07 08:10 AM |
#2 |
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I would agree - it is a regressive tax and kind of monsterous |
bryant69 |
Aug-27-07 08:11 AM |
#3 |
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Which is exactly the way the powerful want it. |
raccoon |
Aug-27-07 08:16 AM |
#6 |
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It's a tax on those who are bad at math |
Wickerman |
Aug-27-07 08:13 AM |
#4 |
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I always tell my kids that I am more likely to be struck |
missb |
Aug-27-07 03:18 PM |
#63 |
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So, the winners of lottery jackpots...bad at math, but filthy rich |
Squatch |
Aug-29-07 07:22 AM |
#119 |
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I had a boyfriend once a long time ago |
yasmina27 |
Aug-27-07 08:13 AM |
#5 |
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I don't think I would... |
cynatnite |
Aug-27-07 08:17 AM |
#7 |
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If I had a magic wand, you would win the lottery |
Evergreen Emerald |
Aug-27-07 08:19 AM |
#8 |
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I consider the money I spend on the lottery my entertainment budget. |
hobbit709 |
Aug-27-07 08:19 AM |
#9 |
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Play online bingo. It's more fun. n/t |
conspirator |
Aug-30-07 06:30 PM |
#176 |
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From that perspective it is just as much an opiate of the masses |
PRETZEL |
Aug-27-07 08:19 AM |
#10 |
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No one holds a gun to their head to participate. |
Mutineer |
Aug-27-07 08:22 AM |
#11 |
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Exactly |
The Gunslinger |
Aug-27-07 08:29 PM |
#67 |
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People will do what they want to do |
The Traveler |
Aug-27-07 08:26 AM |
#12 |
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If you scratch the surface of the campaigns to initiate lotteries you'll find the biggest promoters |
A HERETIC I AM |
Aug-27-07 08:29 AM |
#13 |
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If the state were to allow free competition from private enterprise.. |
The Vinyl Ripper |
Aug-27-07 11:41 AM |
#33 |
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For most it is a harmless and inexpensive dream |
cobalt1999 |
Aug-27-07 08:38 AM |
#14 |
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It's ok to be authoritarian when you're *right*. |
BlooInBloo |
Aug-27-07 08:40 AM |
#15 |
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If you could do that |
PATRICK |
Aug-27-07 08:49 AM |
#16 |
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I almost agree. In agenda, yes; but in form, maybe just one change |
LanternWaste |
Aug-27-07 08:57 AM |
#17 |
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I think it was in the first chapter of 1984... |
Javaman |
Aug-27-07 09:57 AM |
#18 |
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I thought like that once too. |
Beelzebud |
Aug-27-07 10:25 AM |
#19 |
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Do I know you? do you work for the ministry of truth? |
Javaman |
Aug-27-07 10:55 AM |
#22 |
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You should recuse yourself from this thread. |
Bonobo |
Aug-27-07 12:42 PM |
#38 |
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Yeah, didn't you win a few hundred grand not long ago? |
MLFerrell |
Aug-28-07 03:15 PM |
#86 |
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What if all that money people spent was put in a savings account somewhere |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Aug-27-07 10:28 AM |
#20 |
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The lottery is the only REAL way to get ahead in America. |
KillCapitalism |
Aug-27-07 10:29 AM |
#21 |
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I'd prefer to have the lottery over individuals deciding what others can do. |
mondo joe |
Aug-27-07 10:58 AM |
#23 |
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Abolish the lottery and millions would lose their only retirement plan n/t |
Wiregrass Willie |
Aug-27-07 11:02 AM |
#24 |
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NO!! Then I'll never get that little villa in Tuscany! |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Aug-27-07 11:10 AM |
#25 |
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Gee, have you ever thought that the masses *need* some sort of opiate, |
MadHound |
Aug-27-07 11:12 AM |
#26 |
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Indeed. With loud voices on the right and left telling people their personal choices are |
mondo joe |
Aug-27-07 12:57 PM |
#43 |
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that implies that nothing will ever be done to improve their situation |
hfojvt |
Aug-28-07 05:16 AM |
#76 |
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Dreaming of a politician? HAH! |
MadHound |
Aug-28-07 05:30 AM |
#77 |
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Great post. nt |
raccoon |
Aug-29-07 08:17 AM |
#122 |
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and that nothing should be done in the interim ... |
iverglas |
Aug-29-07 09:19 AM |
#130 |
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Yes! Toss them something even if it's a anvil. They'll be happy for a moment anyway.... |
GOTV |
Aug-28-07 03:39 PM |
#91 |
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I like that ;) |
iverglas |
Aug-29-07 09:20 AM |
#131 |
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It's my own as far as I know. |
GOTV |
Aug-29-07 04:12 PM |
#138 |
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I used to think that... |
Stuckinthebush |
Aug-27-07 11:30 AM |
#27 |
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That is good to know about UGA. I don't know what the hell CT does |
CTyankee |
Aug-27-07 01:34 PM |
#52 |
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You got that right, "A big influx of money tends to make people selfish and greedy. " |
raccoon |
Aug-29-07 08:19 AM |
#123 |
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If you know you won't win, why is it fun to play? .... |
GOTV |
Aug-28-07 04:02 PM |
#93 |
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I should be more clear |
Stuckinthebush |
Aug-29-07 07:18 AM |
#118 |
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Very low? Any idea how many lifetimes you'd have to spend to get the odds only to 50%? |
GOTV |
Aug-29-07 04:12 PM |
#137 |
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Jesus Christ in a Zippy Mart, what is your point? |
Stuckinthebush |
Aug-29-07 09:33 PM |
#162 |
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One person's fun is another's poison. |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 08:21 AM |
#125 |
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yup, just one more example of exploitation |
iverglas |
Aug-27-07 11:31 AM |
#29 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Aug-27-07 11:50 AM |
#34 |
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Freedom involves some unpleasant things. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Aug-28-07 06:09 PM |
#105 |
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I know, I know |
iverglas |
Aug-28-07 07:41 PM |
#107 |
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Yes, it is an ironic name. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Aug-28-07 08:46 PM |
#109 |
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If you had that kind of power, could you just make me winner of the Powerball first? |
BurtWorm |
Aug-27-07 11:32 AM |
#30 |
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I've nearly completed my Bachelor's degree for free in Ga. |
DemGa |
Aug-27-07 11:35 AM |
#31 |
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"a tax on the math challenged" . . . but someone who's bad at math will win. |
HughBeaumont |
Aug-27-07 11:38 AM |
#32 |
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having worked at a convenience store where I sold lottery tickets |
bleedingheart |
Aug-27-07 12:40 PM |
#37 |
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Any gambling game with double-digit house edge is predatory. |
BadgerLaw2010 |
Aug-27-07 01:14 PM |
#48 |
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"Predatory"?? |
iverglas |
Aug-27-07 01:30 PM |
#51 |
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When the hope is illusory, robbing people of it would be liberation |
GOTV |
Aug-28-07 04:17 PM |
#96 |
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Great. Start with "Horatio Alger" and work your way on down to casinos . . . |
HughBeaumont |
Aug-28-07 05:45 PM |
#103 |
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would you also bar all legal gambling? |
onenote |
Aug-27-07 12:39 PM |
#35 |
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this is not a case for media bias |
ComerPerro |
Aug-27-07 12:39 PM |
#36 |
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And a follow up piece on jane/joe doe who are backwhere they started |
CTyankee |
Aug-27-07 01:39 PM |
#54 |
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I would eliminate all lotteries too, but for a more selfish reason |
ComerPerro |
Aug-27-07 12:42 PM |
#39 |
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I don't talk to ladies like that EVER. For any reason. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Aug-27-07 09:14 PM |
#70 |
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matter of fact, I first asked the cashier if I could pay and the lady yelled at me |
ComerPerro |
Aug-28-07 04:17 AM |
#73 |
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You didn't volunteer that little tidbit the first time. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Aug-28-07 11:54 AM |
#80 |
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you know what you sound like to me |
ComerPerro |
Aug-28-07 01:00 PM |
#81 |
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Wow. Wrong on all counts. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Aug-28-07 02:02 PM |
#83 |
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oh, I doubt it. I think I have you, and many posters here, nailed |
ComerPerro |
Aug-28-07 02:08 PM |
#84 |
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LOL! Okay Carnac. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Aug-28-07 05:02 PM |
#101 |
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Now, scratch tickets are truly evil. They can suck an addicted person's money in no time flat. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Aug-29-07 09:10 AM |
#129 |
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I've seen people in the convenience stores actually surprised they lost. |
youthere |
Aug-27-07 12:42 PM |
#40 |
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Like my late grandfather used to say... |
LanternWaste |
Aug-27-07 12:45 PM |
#42 |
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State lotto is the worst odds gambling available and a highly regressive way of raising money |
BadgerLaw2010 |
Aug-27-07 01:09 PM |
#45 |
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Should we ban gambling too? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Aug-27-07 01:16 PM |
#49 |
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money for entertainment is not the same as money for less money. |
wuushew |
Aug-28-07 01:24 PM |
#82 |
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The lottery ticket is just as much entertainment. |
mondo joe |
Aug-28-07 08:47 PM |
#110 |
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How do you know I am not poor fool? |
wuushew |
Aug-28-07 09:04 PM |
#113 |
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Do you actually want me to answer your questions? I will. |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 08:20 AM |
#124 |
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THe entertainment is contingent upon the player misunderstanding the odds ... |
GOTV |
Aug-28-07 10:44 PM |
#117 |
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The entertainment is contingent on the player's feeling about it. NT |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 08:10 AM |
#121 |
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Exactly. They wouldn't play the game if they were felt there was zero chance... |
GOTV |
Aug-29-07 04:21 PM |
#143 |
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But there's not a ZERO chance - just close to ZERO. |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 07:14 PM |
#158 |
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All of the above are entertaining. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Aug-28-07 08:48 PM |
#111 |
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There's no misleading promise that you might win with arcade games n/t |
GOTV |
Aug-28-07 10:42 PM |
#116 |
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Where is the misleading promise? |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 08:22 AM |
#126 |
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I don't believe it's possible for most to understand just how bad the odds are. Who can really |
GOTV |
Aug-29-07 04:16 PM |
#142 |
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Can you grasp it? |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 06:11 PM |
#152 |
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I didn't say anything about "the rest of you".... |
GOTV |
Aug-29-07 07:10 PM |
#155 |
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I wonder, do you think most people can grasp issues adequately to vote in the general |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 07:13 PM |
#156 |
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People do not typically vote for issues in the GE, they vote for people.... |
GOTV |
Aug-30-07 04:49 PM |
#164 |
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I see. So do you feel Americans should not have the right to vote in the general election? |
mondo joe |
Aug-30-07 04:52 PM |
#165 |
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No. I believe they should have the right. I also think they don't do a very good job. |
GOTV |
Aug-30-07 05:05 PM |
#170 |
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On what basis do you think people should have the right to vote, given how many |
mondo joe |
Aug-30-07 05:08 PM |
#172 |
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I believe a country should be run by its citizens... |
GOTV |
Aug-30-07 05:35 PM |
#174 |
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That sounds very reasonable. I concur. |
mondo joe |
Aug-30-07 05:56 PM |
#175 |
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That's the trouble... |
MonkeyFunk |
Aug-27-07 01:17 PM |
#50 |
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Yup that is' |
michaelwb |
Aug-29-07 07:59 AM |
#120 |
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Damn those social nannies! |
LanternWaste |
Aug-29-07 09:52 AM |
#132 |
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And lottery tickets are like hand grenades now? |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 10:00 AM |
#134 |
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Or I.E.D.s -- Improvised Economic Devices. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Aug-29-07 04:13 PM |
#139 |
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I'm simply trying to get a precise and consistent definition |
LanternWaste |
Aug-30-07 01:03 PM |
#163 |
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I see. And conflating spending $1 on a lottery ticket which makes one |
mondo joe |
Aug-30-07 04:55 PM |
#167 |
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Considering... |
qdemn7 |
Aug-27-07 01:47 PM |
#56 |
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I call it my 'dream tax' |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Aug-27-07 02:08 PM |
#58 |
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I play the lottery on occasion |
Throd |
Aug-27-07 03:03 PM |
#59 |
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You will never take away my Irish Sweepstakes! |
AngryAmish |
Aug-27-07 03:07 PM |
#60 |
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what other measures would you take to regulate how the "masses" spend their money |
onenote |
Aug-27-07 03:10 PM |
#61 |
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Usually they mean "them asses" when they want to protect people from themselves |
Throd |
Aug-27-07 03:15 PM |
#62 |
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Playing the "big bucks" lottery is foolish. $5 scratchoffs, on the other hand... |
seawolf |
Aug-27-07 05:10 PM |
#64 |
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Agreed. |
mb7588a |
Aug-27-07 08:19 PM |
#66 |
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Thanks to republicans, this is now the working man's pension plan. |
B Calm |
Aug-27-07 08:45 PM |
#68 |
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I object to applying exhorbitant taxes on cigarettes and booze to the general fund |
Romulox |
Aug-27-07 09:21 PM |
#71 |
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A couple of dollars per week won't make anyone poor |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Aug-27-07 09:30 PM |
#72 |
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Don't underestimate the power of an increasing annuity |
wuushew |
Aug-28-07 03:04 PM |
#85 |
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I agree with you to a degree, |
Beerboy |
Aug-28-07 04:33 AM |
#74 |
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I just love it when complete strangers |
Retired AF Dem |
Aug-28-07 04:50 AM |
#75 |
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I was actually poor and won the lottery about |
mountainvue |
Aug-28-07 10:50 AM |
#79 |
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I think even "the poor" know that the odds are extremely bad and that most don't win |
nonconformist |
Aug-28-07 03:19 PM |
#87 |
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I wouldn't. |
Zavulon |
Aug-28-07 03:25 PM |
#88 |
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Neither do our beloved corporations . . . |
HughBeaumont |
Aug-28-07 05:38 PM |
#102 |
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most of the playground equip at my sons school is paid for |
Colorado Progressive |
Aug-28-07 03:26 PM |
#89 |
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Yes, but such equipment should not be optional |
wuushew |
Aug-28-07 03:38 PM |
#90 |
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I agree. But for now, at least they have more than sticks and rocks to play with |
Colorado Progressive |
Aug-28-07 04:13 PM |
#95 |
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Why should only the rich pay taxes. |
Thothmes |
Aug-29-07 09:57 AM |
#133 |
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Which is not to say they wouldn't have that equipment anyway.... |
GOTV |
Aug-28-07 06:54 PM |
#106 |
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dunno, just glad its there. My state is 49th in funding schools sooo..... |
Colorado Progressive |
Aug-28-07 08:41 PM |
#108 |
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It's usually sold as benefitting the schools, but it doesn't. The schools get what the pols budget. |
GOTV |
Aug-29-07 04:14 PM |
#141 |
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If I Could Wave My Hand and Make Any Law Go Away, I Wouldn't Waste It |
Crisco |
Aug-28-07 03:44 PM |
#92 |
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Yes, I'd rather repeal |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Aug-28-07 04:47 PM |
#100 |
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So would I. I don't think they are right. |
GOTV |
Aug-28-07 04:02 PM |
#94 |
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Thank goodness the patronizing puritans don't have that power, then. NT |
mondo joe |
Aug-28-07 08:48 PM |
#112 |
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I have an idea |
iverglas |
Aug-28-07 09:55 PM |
#114 |
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I have another idea. Give adult citizens the right to vote, regardless of their |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 03:54 PM |
#135 |
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well |
iverglas |
Aug-29-07 05:43 PM |
#147 |
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Wrong as usual. But why stop a losing streak now? |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 06:10 PM |
#151 |
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Yeah, thank god. The lottery has been such a benefit n/t |
GOTV |
Aug-29-07 04:09 PM |
#136 |
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The lottery has certainly provided for infrastructure and education. |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 06:13 PM |
#153 |
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Bullshit. We had those things before the lotteries |
GOTV |
Aug-29-07 07:14 PM |
#157 |
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And who said we didn't? Or that the lottery is the only way to have them? |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 07:15 PM |
#159 |
| -
Therefore the lottery did not provide them.... |
GOTV |
Aug-29-07 07:27 PM |
#160 |
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When other funding sources have been cut, it sure did. |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 07:28 PM |
#161 |
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No, people decide where the money goes. People are responsible.... |
GOTV |
Aug-30-07 04:52 PM |
#166 |
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Hm, not precisely. |
mondo joe |
Aug-30-07 04:59 PM |
#169 |
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If we value them, we would fund them another way.... |
GOTV |
Aug-30-07 05:07 PM |
#171 |
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Even those things that are valued compete for a piece of the pie. |
mondo joe |
Aug-30-07 05:12 PM |
#173 |
| -
Crack |
DangerDave921 |
Aug-28-07 04:24 PM |
#97 |
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Google "Crack + CIA" |
wuushew |
Aug-28-07 04:28 PM |
#98 |
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Gee thanks daddy for deciding what's best for me. |
Reciprocity |
Aug-28-07 04:34 PM |
#99 |
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hmmmm is it the lottery or a gambling problem that is the problem? |
nini |
Aug-28-07 05:47 PM |
#104 |
| -
I LIKE scratchin that silver shit off cardborad. Its fun! What the hell???nt |
Colorado Progressive |
Aug-28-07 10:39 PM |
#115 |
| -
The way the stock market has been..... |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-29-07 04:13 PM |
#140 |
| -
What about all the programs that are funded via the lottery system? |
Nutmegger |
Aug-29-07 04:26 PM |
#144 |
| -
what about all the posts in this thread |
iverglas |
Aug-29-07 05:46 PM |
#148 |
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Hey take that snark and shove it. |
Nutmegger |
Aug-29-07 05:58 PM |
#149 |
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many reactions should be thought through |
iverglas |
Aug-29-07 06:07 PM |
#150 |
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Oh is that a DU rule? |
Nutmegger |
Aug-29-07 06:22 PM |
#154 |
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Thanks for reminding me to buy a Mega Millions ticket |
WildEyedLiberal |
Aug-29-07 04:41 PM |
#145 |
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Look at the bright side... |
leaninglib |
Aug-29-07 05:06 PM |
#146 |
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if I spend $5 per week on lotto tickets and you spend... |
praeclarus |
Aug-30-07 04:55 PM |
#168 |
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