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Mon Aug-27-07 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #13 |
| 33. If the state were to allow free competition from private enterprise.. |
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Then you could make the claim that state run lotteries are a *voluntary* tax.
But in the great majority of states that is not the case.
It is a statistical certainty that people are going to gamble, to channel all the gambling urge to the state run lottery is a form of coercion.
And let's not forget, the return on state lotteries is pathetic, private gambling establishments have a far greater payout per dollar gambled than do state lotteries.
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| -If I could wave my hand and all state-run lotteries would disappear, I would do it. |
raccoon |
Aug-27-07 08:06 AM |
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It's a tax on the poor |
Robb |
Aug-27-07 08:08 AM |
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actually, it's a tax on the stupid...and not all poor people are stupid. |
QuestionAll |
Aug-27-07 11:30 AM |
#28 |
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I've always heard it was a tax... |
DuStrange |
Aug-27-07 12:44 PM |
#41 |
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I wonder when people decided taxes were purely optional. |
mondo joe |
Aug-27-07 01:00 PM |
#44 |
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Why force people to pay when more than enough pay anyway? |
BadgerLaw2010 |
Aug-27-07 01:10 PM |
#47 |
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well |
MonkeyFunk |
Aug-27-07 01:10 PM |
#46 |
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I'm not an expert on decision theory, but there's more to it than positive expected value. |
Telly Savalas |
Aug-27-07 09:07 PM |
#69 |
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This sentence should be printed and framed, Mr. Kojak: |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Aug-29-07 09:07 AM |
#128 |
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Just because of your post, I went and bought a ticket for the Brazilian "Mega-sena." |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Aug-29-07 08:54 AM |
#127 |
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You're arguing cause |
Robb |
Aug-27-07 01:35 PM |
#53 |
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But everything the poor buy have the effect of them having less money. |
mondo joe |
Aug-27-07 01:47 PM |
#55 |
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it's a totally VOLUNTARY "tax"...they buy the tickets of their own volition- |
QuestionAll |
Aug-27-07 01:57 PM |
#57 |
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Agreed - but see the post above yours |
Robb |
Aug-27-07 08:14 PM |
#65 |
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The churches and liquor/cigarette magnates hate the lottery |
jmowreader |
Aug-28-07 10:48 AM |
#78 |
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I am filled with shame that here in GA, the only way we'll provide free college tuition |
bunkerbuster1 |
Aug-27-07 08:10 AM |
#2 |
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I would agree - it is a regressive tax and kind of monsterous |
bryant69 |
Aug-27-07 08:11 AM |
#3 |
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Which is exactly the way the powerful want it. |
raccoon |
Aug-27-07 08:16 AM |
#6 |
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It's a tax on those who are bad at math |
Wickerman |
Aug-27-07 08:13 AM |
#4 |
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I always tell my kids that I am more likely to be struck |
missb |
Aug-27-07 03:18 PM |
#63 |
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So, the winners of lottery jackpots...bad at math, but filthy rich |
Squatch |
Aug-29-07 07:22 AM |
#119 |
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I had a boyfriend once a long time ago |
yasmina27 |
Aug-27-07 08:13 AM |
#5 |
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I don't think I would... |
cynatnite |
Aug-27-07 08:17 AM |
#7 |
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If I had a magic wand, you would win the lottery |
Evergreen Emerald |
Aug-27-07 08:19 AM |
#8 |
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I consider the money I spend on the lottery my entertainment budget. |
hobbit709 |
Aug-27-07 08:19 AM |
#9 |
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Play online bingo. It's more fun. n/t |
conspirator |
Aug-30-07 06:30 PM |
#176 |
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From that perspective it is just as much an opiate of the masses |
PRETZEL |
Aug-27-07 08:19 AM |
#10 |
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No one holds a gun to their head to participate. |
Mutineer |
Aug-27-07 08:22 AM |
#11 |
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Exactly |
The Gunslinger |
Aug-27-07 08:29 PM |
#67 |
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People will do what they want to do |
The Traveler |
Aug-27-07 08:26 AM |
#12 |
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If you scratch the surface of the campaigns to initiate lotteries you'll find the biggest promoters |
A HERETIC I AM |
Aug-27-07 08:29 AM |
#13 |
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If the state were to allow free competition from private enterprise.. |
The Vinyl Ripper |
Aug-27-07 11:41 AM |
#33 |
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For most it is a harmless and inexpensive dream |
cobalt1999 |
Aug-27-07 08:38 AM |
#14 |
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It's ok to be authoritarian when you're *right*. |
BlooInBloo |
Aug-27-07 08:40 AM |
#15 |
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If you could do that |
PATRICK |
Aug-27-07 08:49 AM |
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I almost agree. In agenda, yes; but in form, maybe just one change |
LanternWaste |
Aug-27-07 08:57 AM |
#17 |
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I think it was in the first chapter of 1984... |
Javaman |
Aug-27-07 09:57 AM |
#18 |
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I thought like that once too. |
Beelzebud |
Aug-27-07 10:25 AM |
#19 |
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Do I know you? do you work for the ministry of truth? |
Javaman |
Aug-27-07 10:55 AM |
#22 |
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You should recuse yourself from this thread. |
Bonobo |
Aug-27-07 12:42 PM |
#38 |
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Yeah, didn't you win a few hundred grand not long ago? |
MLFerrell |
Aug-28-07 03:15 PM |
#86 |
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What if all that money people spent was put in a savings account somewhere |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Aug-27-07 10:28 AM |
#20 |
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The lottery is the only REAL way to get ahead in America. |
KillCapitalism |
Aug-27-07 10:29 AM |
#21 |
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I'd prefer to have the lottery over individuals deciding what others can do. |
mondo joe |
Aug-27-07 10:58 AM |
#23 |
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Abolish the lottery and millions would lose their only retirement plan n/t |
Wiregrass Willie |
Aug-27-07 11:02 AM |
#24 |
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NO!! Then I'll never get that little villa in Tuscany! |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Aug-27-07 11:10 AM |
#25 |
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Gee, have you ever thought that the masses *need* some sort of opiate, |
MadHound |
Aug-27-07 11:12 AM |
#26 |
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Indeed. With loud voices on the right and left telling people their personal choices are |
mondo joe |
Aug-27-07 12:57 PM |
#43 |
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that implies that nothing will ever be done to improve their situation |
hfojvt |
Aug-28-07 05:16 AM |
#76 |
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Dreaming of a politician? HAH! |
MadHound |
Aug-28-07 05:30 AM |
#77 |
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Great post. nt |
raccoon |
Aug-29-07 08:17 AM |
#122 |
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and that nothing should be done in the interim ... |
iverglas |
Aug-29-07 09:19 AM |
#130 |
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Yes! Toss them something even if it's a anvil. They'll be happy for a moment anyway.... |
GOTV |
Aug-28-07 03:39 PM |
#91 |
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I like that ;) |
iverglas |
Aug-29-07 09:20 AM |
#131 |
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It's my own as far as I know. |
GOTV |
Aug-29-07 04:12 PM |
#138 |
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I used to think that... |
Stuckinthebush |
Aug-27-07 11:30 AM |
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That is good to know about UGA. I don't know what the hell CT does |
CTyankee |
Aug-27-07 01:34 PM |
#52 |
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You got that right, "A big influx of money tends to make people selfish and greedy. " |
raccoon |
Aug-29-07 08:19 AM |
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If you know you won't win, why is it fun to play? .... |
GOTV |
Aug-28-07 04:02 PM |
#93 |
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I should be more clear |
Stuckinthebush |
Aug-29-07 07:18 AM |
#118 |
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Very low? Any idea how many lifetimes you'd have to spend to get the odds only to 50%? |
GOTV |
Aug-29-07 04:12 PM |
#137 |
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Jesus Christ in a Zippy Mart, what is your point? |
Stuckinthebush |
Aug-29-07 09:33 PM |
#162 |
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One person's fun is another's poison. |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 08:21 AM |
#125 |
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yup, just one more example of exploitation |
iverglas |
Aug-27-07 11:31 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Aug-27-07 11:50 AM |
#34 |
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Freedom involves some unpleasant things. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Aug-28-07 06:09 PM |
#105 |
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I know, I know |
iverglas |
Aug-28-07 07:41 PM |
#107 |
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Yes, it is an ironic name. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Aug-28-07 08:46 PM |
#109 |
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If you had that kind of power, could you just make me winner of the Powerball first? |
BurtWorm |
Aug-27-07 11:32 AM |
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I've nearly completed my Bachelor's degree for free in Ga. |
DemGa |
Aug-27-07 11:35 AM |
#31 |
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"a tax on the math challenged" . . . but someone who's bad at math will win. |
HughBeaumont |
Aug-27-07 11:38 AM |
#32 |
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having worked at a convenience store where I sold lottery tickets |
bleedingheart |
Aug-27-07 12:40 PM |
#37 |
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Any gambling game with double-digit house edge is predatory. |
BadgerLaw2010 |
Aug-27-07 01:14 PM |
#48 |
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"Predatory"?? |
iverglas |
Aug-27-07 01:30 PM |
#51 |
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When the hope is illusory, robbing people of it would be liberation |
GOTV |
Aug-28-07 04:17 PM |
#96 |
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Great. Start with "Horatio Alger" and work your way on down to casinos . . . |
HughBeaumont |
Aug-28-07 05:45 PM |
#103 |
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would you also bar all legal gambling? |
onenote |
Aug-27-07 12:39 PM |
#35 |
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this is not a case for media bias |
ComerPerro |
Aug-27-07 12:39 PM |
#36 |
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And a follow up piece on jane/joe doe who are backwhere they started |
CTyankee |
Aug-27-07 01:39 PM |
#54 |
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I would eliminate all lotteries too, but for a more selfish reason |
ComerPerro |
Aug-27-07 12:42 PM |
#39 |
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I don't talk to ladies like that EVER. For any reason. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Aug-27-07 09:14 PM |
#70 |
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matter of fact, I first asked the cashier if I could pay and the lady yelled at me |
ComerPerro |
Aug-28-07 04:17 AM |
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You didn't volunteer that little tidbit the first time. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Aug-28-07 11:54 AM |
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you know what you sound like to me |
ComerPerro |
Aug-28-07 01:00 PM |
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Wow. Wrong on all counts. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Aug-28-07 02:02 PM |
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oh, I doubt it. I think I have you, and many posters here, nailed |
ComerPerro |
Aug-28-07 02:08 PM |
#84 |
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LOL! Okay Carnac. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Aug-28-07 05:02 PM |
#101 |
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Now, scratch tickets are truly evil. They can suck an addicted person's money in no time flat. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Aug-29-07 09:10 AM |
#129 |
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I've seen people in the convenience stores actually surprised they lost. |
youthere |
Aug-27-07 12:42 PM |
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Like my late grandfather used to say... |
LanternWaste |
Aug-27-07 12:45 PM |
#42 |
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State lotto is the worst odds gambling available and a highly regressive way of raising money |
BadgerLaw2010 |
Aug-27-07 01:09 PM |
#45 |
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Should we ban gambling too? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Aug-27-07 01:16 PM |
#49 |
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money for entertainment is not the same as money for less money. |
wuushew |
Aug-28-07 01:24 PM |
#82 |
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The lottery ticket is just as much entertainment. |
mondo joe |
Aug-28-07 08:47 PM |
#110 |
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How do you know I am not poor fool? |
wuushew |
Aug-28-07 09:04 PM |
#113 |
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Do you actually want me to answer your questions? I will. |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 08:20 AM |
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THe entertainment is contingent upon the player misunderstanding the odds ... |
GOTV |
Aug-28-07 10:44 PM |
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The entertainment is contingent on the player's feeling about it. NT |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 08:10 AM |
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Exactly. They wouldn't play the game if they were felt there was zero chance... |
GOTV |
Aug-29-07 04:21 PM |
#143 |
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But there's not a ZERO chance - just close to ZERO. |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 07:14 PM |
#158 |
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All of the above are entertaining. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Aug-28-07 08:48 PM |
#111 |
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There's no misleading promise that you might win with arcade games n/t |
GOTV |
Aug-28-07 10:42 PM |
#116 |
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Where is the misleading promise? |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 08:22 AM |
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I don't believe it's possible for most to understand just how bad the odds are. Who can really |
GOTV |
Aug-29-07 04:16 PM |
#142 |
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Can you grasp it? |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 06:11 PM |
#152 |
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I didn't say anything about "the rest of you".... |
GOTV |
Aug-29-07 07:10 PM |
#155 |
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I wonder, do you think most people can grasp issues adequately to vote in the general |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 07:13 PM |
#156 |
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People do not typically vote for issues in the GE, they vote for people.... |
GOTV |
Aug-30-07 04:49 PM |
#164 |
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I see. So do you feel Americans should not have the right to vote in the general election? |
mondo joe |
Aug-30-07 04:52 PM |
#165 |
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No. I believe they should have the right. I also think they don't do a very good job. |
GOTV |
Aug-30-07 05:05 PM |
#170 |
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On what basis do you think people should have the right to vote, given how many |
mondo joe |
Aug-30-07 05:08 PM |
#172 |
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I believe a country should be run by its citizens... |
GOTV |
Aug-30-07 05:35 PM |
#174 |
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That sounds very reasonable. I concur. |
mondo joe |
Aug-30-07 05:56 PM |
#175 |
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That's the trouble... |
MonkeyFunk |
Aug-27-07 01:17 PM |
#50 |
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Yup that is' |
michaelwb |
Aug-29-07 07:59 AM |
#120 |
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Damn those social nannies! |
LanternWaste |
Aug-29-07 09:52 AM |
#132 |
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And lottery tickets are like hand grenades now? |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 10:00 AM |
#134 |
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Or I.E.D.s -- Improvised Economic Devices. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Aug-29-07 04:13 PM |
#139 |
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I'm simply trying to get a precise and consistent definition |
LanternWaste |
Aug-30-07 01:03 PM |
#163 |
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I see. And conflating spending $1 on a lottery ticket which makes one |
mondo joe |
Aug-30-07 04:55 PM |
#167 |
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Considering... |
qdemn7 |
Aug-27-07 01:47 PM |
#56 |
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I call it my 'dream tax' |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Aug-27-07 02:08 PM |
#58 |
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I play the lottery on occasion |
Throd |
Aug-27-07 03:03 PM |
#59 |
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You will never take away my Irish Sweepstakes! |
AngryAmish |
Aug-27-07 03:07 PM |
#60 |
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what other measures would you take to regulate how the "masses" spend their money |
onenote |
Aug-27-07 03:10 PM |
#61 |
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Usually they mean "them asses" when they want to protect people from themselves |
Throd |
Aug-27-07 03:15 PM |
#62 |
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Playing the "big bucks" lottery is foolish. $5 scratchoffs, on the other hand... |
seawolf |
Aug-27-07 05:10 PM |
#64 |
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Agreed. |
mb7588a |
Aug-27-07 08:19 PM |
#66 |
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Thanks to republicans, this is now the working man's pension plan. |
B Calm |
Aug-27-07 08:45 PM |
#68 |
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I object to applying exhorbitant taxes on cigarettes and booze to the general fund |
Romulox |
Aug-27-07 09:21 PM |
#71 |
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A couple of dollars per week won't make anyone poor |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Aug-27-07 09:30 PM |
#72 |
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Don't underestimate the power of an increasing annuity |
wuushew |
Aug-28-07 03:04 PM |
#85 |
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I agree with you to a degree, |
Beerboy |
Aug-28-07 04:33 AM |
#74 |
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I just love it when complete strangers |
Retired AF Dem |
Aug-28-07 04:50 AM |
#75 |
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I was actually poor and won the lottery about |
mountainvue |
Aug-28-07 10:50 AM |
#79 |
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I think even "the poor" know that the odds are extremely bad and that most don't win |
nonconformist |
Aug-28-07 03:19 PM |
#87 |
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I wouldn't. |
Zavulon |
Aug-28-07 03:25 PM |
#88 |
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Neither do our beloved corporations . . . |
HughBeaumont |
Aug-28-07 05:38 PM |
#102 |
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most of the playground equip at my sons school is paid for |
Colorado Progressive |
Aug-28-07 03:26 PM |
#89 |
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Yes, but such equipment should not be optional |
wuushew |
Aug-28-07 03:38 PM |
#90 |
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I agree. But for now, at least they have more than sticks and rocks to play with |
Colorado Progressive |
Aug-28-07 04:13 PM |
#95 |
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Why should only the rich pay taxes. |
Thothmes |
Aug-29-07 09:57 AM |
#133 |
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Which is not to say they wouldn't have that equipment anyway.... |
GOTV |
Aug-28-07 06:54 PM |
#106 |
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dunno, just glad its there. My state is 49th in funding schools sooo..... |
Colorado Progressive |
Aug-28-07 08:41 PM |
#108 |
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It's usually sold as benefitting the schools, but it doesn't. The schools get what the pols budget. |
GOTV |
Aug-29-07 04:14 PM |
#141 |
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If I Could Wave My Hand and Make Any Law Go Away, I Wouldn't Waste It |
Crisco |
Aug-28-07 03:44 PM |
#92 |
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Yes, I'd rather repeal |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Aug-28-07 04:47 PM |
#100 |
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So would I. I don't think they are right. |
GOTV |
Aug-28-07 04:02 PM |
#94 |
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Thank goodness the patronizing puritans don't have that power, then. NT |
mondo joe |
Aug-28-07 08:48 PM |
#112 |
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I have an idea |
iverglas |
Aug-28-07 09:55 PM |
#114 |
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I have another idea. Give adult citizens the right to vote, regardless of their |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 03:54 PM |
#135 |
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well |
iverglas |
Aug-29-07 05:43 PM |
#147 |
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Wrong as usual. But why stop a losing streak now? |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 06:10 PM |
#151 |
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Yeah, thank god. The lottery has been such a benefit n/t |
GOTV |
Aug-29-07 04:09 PM |
#136 |
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The lottery has certainly provided for infrastructure and education. |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 06:13 PM |
#153 |
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Bullshit. We had those things before the lotteries |
GOTV |
Aug-29-07 07:14 PM |
#157 |
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And who said we didn't? Or that the lottery is the only way to have them? |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 07:15 PM |
#159 |
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Therefore the lottery did not provide them.... |
GOTV |
Aug-29-07 07:27 PM |
#160 |
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When other funding sources have been cut, it sure did. |
mondo joe |
Aug-29-07 07:28 PM |
#161 |
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No, people decide where the money goes. People are responsible.... |
GOTV |
Aug-30-07 04:52 PM |
#166 |
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Hm, not precisely. |
mondo joe |
Aug-30-07 04:59 PM |
#169 |
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If we value them, we would fund them another way.... |
GOTV |
Aug-30-07 05:07 PM |
#171 |
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Even those things that are valued compete for a piece of the pie. |
mondo joe |
Aug-30-07 05:12 PM |
#173 |
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Crack |
DangerDave921 |
Aug-28-07 04:24 PM |
#97 |
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Google "Crack + CIA" |
wuushew |
Aug-28-07 04:28 PM |
#98 |
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Gee thanks daddy for deciding what's best for me. |
Reciprocity |
Aug-28-07 04:34 PM |
#99 |
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hmmmm is it the lottery or a gambling problem that is the problem? |
nini |
Aug-28-07 05:47 PM |
#104 |
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I LIKE scratchin that silver shit off cardborad. Its fun! What the hell???nt |
Colorado Progressive |
Aug-28-07 10:39 PM |
#115 |
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The way the stock market has been..... |
BlackVelvet04 |
Aug-29-07 04:13 PM |
#140 |
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What about all the programs that are funded via the lottery system? |
Nutmegger |
Aug-29-07 04:26 PM |
#144 |
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what about all the posts in this thread |
iverglas |
Aug-29-07 05:46 PM |
#148 |
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Hey take that snark and shove it. |
Nutmegger |
Aug-29-07 05:58 PM |
#149 |
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many reactions should be thought through |
iverglas |
Aug-29-07 06:07 PM |
#150 |
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Oh is that a DU rule? |
Nutmegger |
Aug-29-07 06:22 PM |
#154 |
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Thanks for reminding me to buy a Mega Millions ticket |
WildEyedLiberal |
Aug-29-07 04:41 PM |
#145 |
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Look at the bright side... |
leaninglib |
Aug-29-07 05:06 PM |
#146 |
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if I spend $5 per week on lotto tickets and you spend... |
praeclarus |
Aug-30-07 04:55 PM |
#168 |
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