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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 10:50 AM
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14. You shouldn't own resources everybody needs. Society, as a whole, owns it.
Edited on Fri Feb-09-07 10:52 AM by Selatius
If I had my way, if you wish to use resources for your own purposes, you should pay a "usage fee" for their use. The greater the capital you own, the greater the fee you pay. The fees would be used to run publicly owned banks where respective communities have control over local branches. The banks would fund the establishment of worker co-ops and the expansion of others as well as the expansion of commerce and industry as a whole. In this way, workers operating in co-ops have no bosses but themselves.
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  -Capitalism. redqueen  Feb-09-07 10:00 AM   #0 
  - Capitalism  Jim Warren   Feb-09-07 10:04 AM   #1 
  - LMAO  BayCityProgressive   Feb-09-07 10:15 AM   #2 
  - I just love seeing that pop up every so often.  Cerridwen   Feb-09-07 10:18 AM   #3 
  - Thanks!  redqueen   Feb-09-07 10:28 AM   #7 
  - Capitalism  Double T   Feb-09-07 10:23 AM   #4 
  - Thank you!  redqueen   Feb-09-07 10:28 AM   #8 
     - Thank YOU for YOUR great thread!!!!!!!  Double T   Feb-09-07 10:35 AM   #9 
        - Oh the pleasure is ALL mine, trust me!  redqueen   Feb-09-07 10:42 AM   #10 
           - Commies?  Jim Warren   Feb-09-07 10:46 AM   #12 
           - See my sig  manic expression   Feb-09-07 02:55 PM   #37 
              - Ah, Okaaaay  Jim Warren   Feb-09-07 03:23 PM   #43 
           - It's not hysteria to disagree with you.  otherlander   Feb-09-07 05:48 PM   #71 
              - The industries on the block to be re-nationalized were actually nationalized  Judi Lynn   Feb-09-07 06:00 PM   #73 
              - I don't quite trust HRW.  redqueen   Feb-12-07 10:47 AM   #119 
              - Heaven forbid. You don't want to be a capitalist.  JacksonWest   Feb-12-07 11:24 AM   #124 
  - Which is why i don't trust Big Pharma,  rman   Feb-09-07 10:24 AM   #5 
  - I don't either, but I still take my synthroid!  redqueen   Feb-09-07 10:27 AM   #6 
  - Every Picture  Jcrowley   Feb-09-07 10:46 AM   #11 
  - Thank you!  redqueen   Feb-09-07 10:49 AM   #13 
  - You shouldn't own resources everybody needs. Society, as a whole, owns it.  Selatius   Feb-09-07 10:50 AM   #14 
  - the workers could elect  BayCityProgressive   Feb-09-07 11:03 AM   #15 
  - Sure, we can do that. Ultimately, the decision would be left up to each worker co-op.  Selatius   Feb-09-07 02:03 PM   #18 
     - How would a community-an entire community-run a bank?  JacksonWest   Feb-12-07 11:32 AM   #125 
  - Great idea!  redqueen   Feb-09-07 11:03 AM   #16 
  - The system would likely drive out most banks through marketplace competition.  Selatius   Feb-09-07 02:28 PM   #23 
     - You're talkin way over my head now...  redqueen   Feb-09-07 02:32 PM   #24 
  - Funny, this is pretty much what our national economy was originally set up to  greyhound1966   Feb-09-07 02:16 PM   #20 
  - You are free to do that  Nederland   Feb-09-07 02:27 PM   #22 
  - I should've used "capital" in place of "resources."  Selatius   Feb-09-07 02:43 PM   #33 
  - Thank you for the reference.  redqueen   Feb-09-07 02:44 PM   #34 
  - Yes, and the primary point of failure...  info being   Feb-09-07 03:36 PM   #48 
     - Yes, the problem has always been getting started  Nederland   Feb-09-07 05:27 PM   #68 
  - "Ownership" is an entitlement - it exists SOLELY due to the enforcement of that society.  TahitiNut   Feb-09-07 02:39 PM   #26 
     - Oooh good term... "lemming instinct"  redqueen   Feb-09-07 02:42 PM   #30 
     - Disagree  Nederland   Feb-09-07 02:52 PM   #36 
        - All you are proving is that it is infantile.  redqueen   Feb-09-07 03:17 PM   #41 
        - Yes  Nederland   Feb-09-07 05:13 PM   #66 
           - How can you compare selfishness with basic bodily functions?  redqueen   Feb-09-07 05:17 PM   #67 
              - Because they are both biological  Nederland   Feb-09-07 05:33 PM   #69 
                 - No, I mean one is biological as in it is a biological need...  redqueen   Feb-09-07 05:36 PM   #70 
                    - Sure, you can survive without it  Nederland   Feb-09-07 06:04 PM   #74 
                    - Well...  redqueen   Feb-09-07 06:09 PM   #75 
                       - Capitolism fuels business growth. New ideas, new products, new services  krispos42   Feb-10-07 01:52 AM   #92 
                          - And who benefits from that?  manic expression   Feb-10-07 11:15 AM   #99 
                          - That is why we have some socialism traits  krispos42   Feb-11-07 07:57 PM   #116 
                          - Yes new products, but who gets the profits?  rakovsky   Feb-10-07 04:44 PM   #113 
                             - See my above response  krispos42   Feb-11-07 07:58 PM   #117 
                    - But if some have it and some don't...  krispos42   Feb-10-07 01:50 AM   #91 
                    - Ownership isn't unique to humans, and it is sometimes a biological construct.  JacksonWest   Feb-12-07 11:46 AM   #126 
        - You confuse possession with 'ownership.'  TahitiNut   Feb-09-07 06:50 PM   #77 
           - bingo. you just saved me a wordy post :)  FarceOfNature   Feb-10-07 12:49 AM   #89 
           - There is no confusion  Nederland   Feb-12-07 10:44 AM   #118 
  - Kick  redqueen   Feb-09-07 12:29 PM   #17 
  - Shut Up.....he might hear you  Bandit   Feb-09-07 02:11 PM   #19 
  - The worker!  redqueen   Feb-09-07 02:40 PM   #27 
  - Here's a color version...  Octafish   Feb-09-07 02:21 PM   #21 
  - Hi there!  redqueen   Feb-09-07 02:40 PM   #28 
  - Wow  info being   Feb-09-07 03:26 PM   #45 
  - That's a very cool poster. I WANT ONE!!!  file83   Feb-10-07 12:19 PM   #100 
  - Even more - the very value of the machinery is based on the availability of labor.  TahitiNut   Feb-09-07 02:37 PM   #25 
  - The stock market used to be a dirty thing...  redqueen   Feb-09-07 02:43 PM   #31 
  - I always laugh at company events...  info being   Feb-09-07 03:29 PM   #46 
  - Beautiful  manic expression   Feb-09-07 02:42 PM   #29 
  - Thank you, too!  redqueen   Feb-09-07 02:43 PM   #32 
  - That's beautiful.  RandomKoolzip   Feb-09-07 02:45 PM   #35 
  - Hi there!  redqueen   Feb-09-07 03:17 PM   #42 
  - CAPITOLISM  Parche   Feb-09-07 03:10 PM   #38 
  - Another K & R. n/t  greyhound1966   Feb-09-07 03:12 PM   #39 
  - Social democracy makes sense, anti-capitalism doesn't.  smalll   Feb-09-07 03:12 PM   #40 
  - What the Europeans call "social democracy"  The Flaming Red Head   Feb-09-07 03:26 PM   #44 
  - lol well I'm sorry if I did that, and you're right we need  smalll   Feb-09-07 03:32 PM   #47 
  - No, social democracy failed  manic expression   Feb-09-07 03:41 PM   #49 
  - Capitalism forces us to compete for limited resources.  redqueen   Feb-09-07 03:57 PM   #50 
  - Exactly  manic expression   Feb-09-07 04:09 PM   #52 
  - Not really  eridani   Feb-10-07 06:33 AM   #96 
  - Well, let me try to address one of your objections -  smalll   Feb-09-07 04:07 PM   #51 
  - That is exactly my point  manic expression   Feb-09-07 04:22 PM   #54 
     - Fair enough, but I would still say that Marx's beliefs about the  smalll   Feb-09-07 04:35 PM   #55 
     - What about a mix of socialism and tightly-controlled capitalism?  redqueen   Feb-09-07 04:39 PM   #56 
     - Well some form of that could work, sure.  smalll   Feb-09-07 04:47 PM   #59 
     - hahahahahaha  redqueen   Feb-09-07 04:55 PM   #62 
     - IMO, that's better than nothing  manic expression   Feb-09-07 04:54 PM   #61 
        - Yes...  redqueen   Feb-09-07 04:57 PM   #63 
     - Marx of 1848 thought it was imminent  manic expression   Feb-09-07 04:48 PM   #60 
        - You're goin on my buddy list!  redqueen   Feb-09-07 04:58 PM   #64 
           - Same to you!  manic expression   Feb-09-07 11:46 PM   #87 
     - Wrong  Nederland   Feb-09-07 06:14 PM   #76 
        - And  manic expression   Feb-09-07 10:17 PM   #81 
           - So we'd be better off if we were all farmers with ox-driven plows?  Telly Savalas   Feb-09-07 11:19 PM   #84 
              - In capitalism,  manic expression   Feb-09-07 11:23 PM   #85 
  - It succeeded better than communism  Nederland   Feb-09-07 05:54 PM   #72 
  - Capitalists were saying the same thing in 1871  manic expression   Feb-09-07 10:33 PM   #82 
     - cuba does not have "better" medical care  frankenforpres   Feb-10-07 02:08 AM   #93 
     - Better infant mortality rates  manic expression   Feb-10-07 11:03 AM   #97 
        - obstacle of food....  frankenforpres   Feb-10-07 01:38 PM   #102 
           - The US government  manic expression   Feb-10-07 01:45 PM   #103 
              - but food destruction is not capitalism  frankenforpres   Feb-10-07 03:16 PM   #107 
                 - It is a policy of a bourgeois government  manic expression   Feb-10-07 03:20 PM   #108 
     - Socialist were saying the same thing in 1871  gravity   Feb-10-07 03:02 AM   #94 
     - Socialists were getting summarily executed in 1871  manic expression   Feb-10-07 11:13 AM   #98 
        - Capitalists were executed by communists in the USSR  gravity   Feb-10-07 02:24 PM   #105 
           - When they tried to destroy or impede  manic expression   Feb-10-07 02:39 PM   #106 
     - Simple question  Nederland   Feb-12-07 10:50 AM   #120 
  - Hear! Hear!  NotGivingUp   Feb-10-07 04:38 PM   #111 
  - I would like to see some stats on profit margins  hfojvt   Feb-09-07 04:47 PM   #58 
     - It seems like there are an awful lot of execs making multimillion $ salaries...  redqueen   Feb-09-07 05:01 PM   #65 
  - Perfect Picture  demrabble   Feb-09-07 04:11 PM   #53 
  - Such strong terms!  redqueen   Feb-09-07 04:40 PM   #57 
  - Great Toon!  Egalitarian   Feb-09-07 07:24 PM   #78 
  - k+r  Blue_Tires   Feb-09-07 07:29 PM   #79 
  - So what is the alternative?  gravity   Feb-09-07 08:00 PM   #80 
  - Research it  manic expression   Feb-09-07 10:49 PM   #83 
     - Cuba and the Soviet Union?  OllieLotte   Feb-10-07 03:57 PM   #109 
  - LOL!  Cleita   Feb-09-07 11:30 PM   #86 
  - Capitalism  killbotfactory   Feb-10-07 12:45 AM   #88 
  - Exactly. Thank you.  redqueen   Feb-12-07 10:58 AM   #122 
  - My thoughts exactly..  undergroundpanther   Feb-10-07 01:39 AM   #90 
  - Reminds me about the old joke about the sharecropper and the landlord  eridani   Feb-10-07 06:24 AM   #95 
  - Excellent.  file83   Feb-10-07 12:20 PM   #101 
  - Good toon  mvd   Feb-10-07 01:46 PM   #104 
  - Is this a real quote?  Gabi Hayes   Feb-10-07 04:17 PM   #110 
  - I'm quite sure that it is n/t  manic expression   Feb-11-07 04:37 PM   #115 
  - great cartoon  rakovsky   Feb-10-07 04:41 PM   #112 
  - More people should see this  manic expression   Feb-11-07 04:34 PM   #114 
  - Beautiful! As Abe Lincoln said:  gwbsamoron   Feb-12-07 10:51 AM   #121 
     - Beautiful quote!  redqueen   Feb-12-07 10:59 AM   #123 
 

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