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105. MORE: Prosecuting A Sitting President: State-Led Effort
http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/29232#comment-956...

Prosecuting A Sitting President: State-Led Effort
Submitted by Anonymous on 7 July 2007 - 7:32pm.

Suggestion: Read This, Share With State AG

1. Legal Citations In Law Journal Article

Jonathan Turley; American Criminal Law Review, Vol. 37, 2000. From Pillar to Post: the Prosecution of American Presidents

Turley is law prof at Georgetown.

Remind State AG's of their oath. Once Impeachment is off the table, prosecutions remain.

2. Sen. Ashcroft Comments in re Clinton Impeachment

"My first preliminary thought: the president would appear to be subject to the compulsory process of the criminal law. Put simply, the Constitution and our history appear to reflect the fundamental principle that no man is above the law. The president is subject to the law, not above it. If he violates the law, he can be prosecuted.

But there is a second important question, and that is this: Assuming a president can be prosecuted, should he be prosecuted, when impeachment is a viable option? I think not. Prudence dictates that absence extraordinary circumstances, that when impeachment is available to address presidential misconduct, prosecution should await the resolution of the impeachment question by the Congress.

3. Congressional Refusal To Impeach Opens Door To State Prosecutions

If impeachment is off the table, Ashcroft implicitly is arguing that prosecutions remain on the table. Yet, if the US Attys will not prosecute, then the State AGs must.

A. US Attys Thwarted, State AGs Must Act

The President has clearly affected the US Attorneys, blocked DOJ OPR. There's no question that there would be a delay by the US Attys in reviewing these issues. They have no credibility, especially the inaction in the wake of the Grand Jury review of OVP. Wow, big Fitzgerald indictment-conviction gets flushed. Time for the States to target the President with prosecutions.

B. State Level Legislative Actions Blocked

Congress has blocked state level efforts in re House Rule 603 to pass proclamations calling for Congress to investigate. Congress has communicated it is not interested in defending the Constitution using impeachment. Congress decided to take impeachment off the table: Prosecutions can proceed.

Hardly takes a leap of anything to conclude prosecutions remain on the table; and that Ashcroft's comments well support the State AGs in targeting this sitting President.
Paraphrasing Franklin, "You have a Constitution and a Republic. If you want to keep it."

4. Extraordinary: Alleged Congressional Malfeasance On Geneva Violations

Congressional inaction on issues of war crimes, FISA violations, and decisions to take impeachment off the table arguably are extraordinary circumstances: No President has ever been given a blank check by his opposition to violate the Supreme Law, and face not prospect of legal consequences.

DNC Control of Congress is irrelevant when they continue to refuse to use impeachment investigations to compel accountability and this President's assent to the Rule of Law.

Time for the State AGs to get contacted: Game on for state level prosecutions outside Congress outside impeachment. Time to target Members of Congress for 5 USC 3331 violations for failing to use all legal options, including impeachment, to defend the Constitution. Inaction against Members of Congress allows their oath to be meaningless; and for the Constitution to fall into disrepair and nullification. That is impermissible.

5. Action Plan

A. Read the Article by Turley;

B. Contact your State AGs: What is their plan to review the Turley Article and prosecute this sitting President and VP outside Congress;

C. Talk to your friends in other states.

6. Discuss This Draft Indictment At State level

A. State Standing

Constitution guarantees to all States a Republican Form of government, which includes an enforcement mechanism.



B. Assertion of Retained State Power

States have power to do this: Amendment X reserves all non-delegated powers to the States. Congress was not delegated power to prosecute a President only impeach. States retain and may at any time assert this non-delegated, reserved power at any time without coordination with Congress. The intent of framers was for the States to act as one of the last vanguards of the Constitution against an abusive Government. The State prosecution is consistent with the Framers intent of preserving the Constitution, not, as this Congress and president have done, impersmissibly let the Constitution decay.

C. Allegations

President's conduct has denied the States of the Constitutionally Protected Guarantees: Refusal to enforce; failure to defend Constitution; illegal abrogation of Supreme Law and Geneva.

D. Charge

President has violated his oath of office to ensure the States enjoy a Republican Form of Government; and illegally abrogated war crimes.

E. Punishment, Remedy

The President and Vice President may be jailed; pending their release, the Speaker shall Assume Duties of President. President and VP shall retain title of "President' and "Vice President" but all legal duties and power shall be transferred to Pelosi and her Congressionally-approved Nominee, per 25th Amendment, by a simple majority vote in each house.

Make it happen.
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  -Mystery Poster "Deep Modem" (DM) = What is DM telling us? FORGET the MYSTERY part. L. Coyote  Aug-24-07 12:10 PM   #0 
  - some content  conscious evolution   Aug-24-07 12:25 PM   #1 
  - I find this fascinating  SimpleTrend   Aug-24-07 12:47 PM   #2 
  - More like incriminating facts  conscious evolution   Aug-24-07 04:24 PM   #14 
     - Here are some of the ones I've found that I find curious  SimpleTrend   Aug-25-07 05:46 PM   #64 
        - Interesting o ee what the White House is up to.  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 06:45 PM   #66 
  - hmmm  conscious evolution   Aug-24-07 12:50 PM   #3 
  - NS1.Sidley.com  TBUSA   Aug-24-07 01:09 PM   #5 
  - IMHO this is exactly the kind of probing that we need to be doing  Wiley50   Aug-24-07 01:38 PM   #7 
  - RE: "Might be worthwhile to install the SharePoint software on the machine we are using."  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 09:25 PM   #30 
     - I mean that if we could locate and be able to get into one of their Shareware sites  Wiley50   Aug-24-07 11:22 PM   #44 
  - The domain is still active  dotcosm   Aug-24-07 03:34 PM   #9 
  - I don't know if this is helpful  hang a left   Aug-24-07 05:01 PM   #16 
  - Sidley's NetRange: = 198.232.32.0 - 198.232.63.255 Domains ???  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 09:28 PM   #31 
  - Sidley I Believe is Outside Counsel to Verizon  ribofunk   Aug-24-07 05:28 PM   #17 
  - I believe Verizon has a legal staff. This is just an article citing a case.  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 09:36 PM   #32 
  - Techno-babble. NSI is the name server AND E-Mail Recovery at Work!  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 07:17 PM   #27 
  - RE "Could this be how they are getting around the 'official' email policies?"  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 09:21 PM   #29 
  - Shirley . . . if the mystery poster is reading any of this, he understands that he needs to . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-26-07 10:44 PM   #109 
  - bump  southern_belle   Aug-24-07 01:04 PM   #4 
  - Shirley, Dems know that this is directed at them; politically -- ???? More Nixon/Watergate --  defendandprotect   Aug-24-07 01:23 PM   #6 
  - RE: What we need are a LIST OF THE NAMES OF THOSE BUGGED --  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 09:40 PM   #33 
     - Right . . .. I understand you . . . and everything is possible with these idiots ---  defendandprotect   Aug-25-07 11:13 PM   #79 
        - Total Information Awareness involves capture and storage, and use later too.  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 01:02 AM   #85 
           - But . . .. am I wrong? . . . realistically, we know who the terrorists are -- Buschco --- and . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-26-07 02:07 AM   #87 
  - Does any one have  conscious evolution   Aug-24-07 03:26 PM   #8 
  - UGG and USM have whois sites  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 09:59 PM   #34 
  - Let me point out one thing to be careful about  dotcosm   Aug-24-07 03:38 PM   #10 
  - yeah, I think I got that?...n/t  windbreeze   Aug-24-07 03:55 PM   #11 
  - Bump...up  Buttercup McToots   Aug-24-07 04:08 PM   #12 
  - Let me try to clarify...  dotcosm   Aug-24-07 05:00 PM   #15 
     - That is a VERY important point! Everyone should do this. Big thanks dotcosm!  redacted   Aug-24-07 06:33 PM   #22 
     - That might b overkill. Google has already crawled this thread any times.  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 10:10 PM   #36 
     - Question about tracking links and tabs on browsers  havocmom   Aug-24-07 06:54 PM   #26 
     - Yes.  SimpleTrend   Aug-25-07 05:24 PM   #62 
        - Thanks. Will just copy & paste in new tabs  havocmom   Aug-25-07 07:15 PM   #71 
           - Yes.  SimpleTrend   Aug-25-07 07:30 PM   #73 
     - This works both ways. DU admin can see which IP looks at which post.  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 10:03 PM   #35 
     - Heh, yeah of course that's true  dotcosm   Aug-24-07 11:00 PM   #41 
        - RE; "We need a research thread"  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 11:08 PM   #42 
     - This is intriguing Dotscosm N/T  AikidoSoul   Aug-25-07 07:06 PM   #68 
     - SPOOKY: I downloaded a 178 MB log file, part of this month on my domain.  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 10:29 PM   #78 
        - Well now you've given me a challenge to think about  dotcosm   Aug-27-07 03:30 PM   #112 
  - The URL of the post with the link is logged by the server receiving the request.  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 05:37 PM   #19 
  - Paranoia?  Tansy_Gold   Aug-24-07 10:20 PM   #38 
     - Again, good points. As ponderous as this media is, I would not go back to killing trees.  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 10:51 PM   #40 
     - Then find the subpoena for the emails  Tansy_Gold   Aug-24-07 11:26 PM   #45 
        - The subpoenas are public knowledge. Where the subpoena trail leads is not.  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 12:54 AM   #48 
           - You just made my point for me  Tansy_Gold   Aug-25-07 08:28 AM   #53 
              - I would make this point. People leak info to put it out there, not to keep it secret!  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 08:57 AM   #54 
                 - Cheney's leak was of SPECIFIC information to a  Tansy_Gold   Aug-25-07 11:08 AM   #56 
                    - I, personally, do not think that "dm" is an insider  dotcosm   Aug-25-07 04:15 PM   #59 
                       - I thought the early assumption was that DM *was* an  Tansy_Gold   Aug-25-07 10:25 PM   #77 
     - I understand what you're saying, but  dotcosm   Aug-24-07 11:12 PM   #43 
  - K & R  Blackhatjack   Aug-24-07 04:23 PM   #13 
  - Bush/Ralston lawyer: sidley.com is a K Street law firm. A partner is Bradford A. Berenson  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 05:31 PM   #18 
  - One point anon kept making was  dotcosm   Aug-24-07 05:48 PM   #20 
  - I think they are spooked...  Buttercup McToots   Aug-24-07 06:31 PM   #21 
  - The disaster on the doorstep has to do with legal liability of the corporations that  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 10:17 PM   #37 
     - "Millions are suing AT&T" . . . yeah . . . but more . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-25-07 11:20 PM   #80 
  - Right! He's "whipsawing" them. And it DOES defeat privilege claims.  redacted   Aug-24-07 06:44 PM   #24 
  - Sidley Austin Partner Appointed By President Bush As Deputy National Security Advisor  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 07:48 PM   #28 
  - From TP  Buttercup McToots   Aug-24-07 06:34 PM   #23 
  - Has anyone been able to access this record in the Wiki Scanner database yet?  redacted   Aug-24-07 06:52 PM   #25 
  - Go to this URL  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 10:32 PM   #39 
  - FYI, here are some IPs  dotcosm   Aug-25-07 12:59 AM   #49 
     - IP 198.137.241.13 is Michael Powell. Colin Powell's son who worked at the FCC.....n/t  in_cog_ni_to   Aug-26-07 12:46 AM   #84 
  - I guess he wasn't thinking of the history books...  rucky   Aug-24-07 11:32 PM   #46 
  - Good one. We needed a light note.  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 12:39 AM   #47 
     - Another light note: Why's the White House editing RANDI RHODES' Wikipedia page?  redacted   Aug-25-07 04:17 AM   #52 
        - On a hilarious note, Did you click the newer edit link? n/t  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 09:03 AM   #55 
           - LOL! Can't wait till she hears about this!  redacted   Aug-25-07 12:03 PM   #58 
  - More IPs to play with  dotcosm   Aug-25-07 01:06 AM   #50 
  - Note the Hatch Act violations in plain sight, on the Internet.  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 01:50 AM   #51 
  - Big thanks again dotcosm! Very smart!  redacted   Aug-25-07 12:00 PM   #57 
     - My pleasure!  dotcosm   Aug-25-07 05:01 PM   #61 
  - Anybody know if he/she/they posted again in the last 24 hours?  redacted   Aug-25-07 04:45 PM   #60 
  - More interested in how many people are reading what he said. These post  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 05:42 PM   #63 
     - Perhaps I was not clear. What I'm interested in is whether or not the MP has  redacted   Aug-25-07 06:35 PM   #65 
        - I intended to reply to the OP n/t  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 06:53 PM   #67 
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  - SoNY USA = FEDS decline to prosecute Sidley Austin  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 07:19 PM   #72 
  - Bush hires new group of lawyers, including several from the So. NY USA office.  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 07:55 PM   #74 
  - July 23, 2006 = I.R.S. to Cut Tax Auditors  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 08:09 PM   #76 
  - Sidley Austin Lives to See Another Day  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 11:23 PM   #81 
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  - Could it be that Karl Rove left the White House to handle this from OUTSIDE . . . ??????  defendandprotect   Aug-25-07 11:26 PM   #82 
  - Regarding your questions. non-email, DM's id, the NSA spying, and ROVE  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 12:21 AM   #83 
  - Some of it I understand, much I do not -- very time consuming to following . . ..  defendandprotect   Aug-26-07 01:53 AM   #86 
     - MORE background information:  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 10:37 AM   #88 
  - video teleconferencing?  conscious evolution   Aug-26-07 06:33 PM   #96 
     - Right on. Good idea. But, are they recorded?  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 06:37 PM   #98 
        - I would have to think so  conscious evolution   Aug-26-07 06:43 PM   #99 
           - When we broadcast classes to several campuses, it is not recorded.  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 07:06 PM   #101 
  - kick  G_Leo_Criley   Aug-26-07 10:59 AM   #89 
  - On Crooks & Liars  Buttercup McToots   Aug-26-07 02:53 PM   #90 
  - Con't  Buttercup McToots   Aug-26-07 02:59 PM   #91 
  - Look at 32  Buttercup McToots   Aug-26-07 03:01 PM   #92 
  - Does Anybody Have A Cliff Notes Version Of What This Is All About ???  WillyT   Aug-26-07 03:03 PM   #93 
  - GOOD IDEA! It seems there are people who want everyone to stay "lost" on this.  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 03:48 PM   #94 
  - Here is a useful Reference Library listing by DUer frogcycle  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 06:13 PM   #95 
  - Summary from Kos, of one of the posts only  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 07:02 PM   #100 
     - Well this is physical interference/supervision . . . ???? Gestapo . . . !!!!  defendandprotect   Aug-26-07 10:10 PM   #108 
        - YES, jail time is the deterrent. The Rs did not foresee oversight, or jail time!!  L. Coyote   Aug-28-07 11:28 PM   #113 
  - US confirms key role of telecom firms in wiretapping  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 06:36 PM   #97 
  - Karl Rove used AOL: Susan Ralston deposition. Did DM read this?  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 07:17 PM   #102 
  - Apparently YES. Just scroll down to his post!!  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 11:13 PM   #110 
  - CREW: Submitted by Anonymous: Leahy Apparently Ignores Open Source Information  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 07:36 PM   #103 
  - MORE: Prepare Back Up Plan When Congress Fails To Defend Constitution  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 08:52 PM   #104 
  - MORE: Prosecuting A Sitting President: State-Led Effort  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 08:53 PM   #105 
  - CREW a GOLD MINE of "Anonymous" posts: Missing OVP Evidence Admissible  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 09:35 PM   #106 
  - SPIN OFF: NEW Mystery Poster on CREW = "Anonymous" +++ Deep Modem's Mother Lode?  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 10:01 PM   #107 
  - The REAL Mystery Poster no mystery. Deep Modem may be a RUSE and here is  L. Coyote   Aug-27-07 12:18 PM   #111 
  - did I miss the mention of this?  RainDog   Aug-28-07 11:49 PM   #114 
  - FOUND: Deep Modem's source. FORTY original "Anonymous Lawyer" posts at CREW with links:  L. Coyote   Aug-29-07 02:46 PM   #115 
  - 21 August 2007 is a distinct poster, not the Anonymous Lawyer. n/t  L. Coyote   Aug-29-07 03:46 PM   #116 
  - NEW spin off: "Mystery Poster" DEEP MODEM Demystified. SOURCE Found at CREW  L. Coyote   Aug-29-07 06:31 PM   #117 
 

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