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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-24-07 11:26 PM
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45. Then find the subpoena for the emails
Find the grand jury. Find the subpoena. Put details out here for us to see. These should be public information, verdad? _Inside information_ about the IT dept isn't good enough.

I just sat down with my boyfriend and asked him about this in hypothetical terms. "Suppose you were a government insider and you had crucial information you wanted to leak. How would you go about it?" He's not into politics, but he knows computers. So he came up with the usual means -- contact a trusted reporter at a trusted newspaper -- and then offered some _secure_ ways to do that. We hashed over the old Deep Throat "follow the money" routine. But when I suggested that the information might be put out via a public message board in mysterious code, he laughed. Out loud.

"Why would you put it out to the public, or worse, out to the _enemy_? Why give them any opportunity to scotch it, or worse, find out who you are, what you know, what you're doing? Oh, you can use a remote server or even a couple of different computers or whatever, but you got no fucking guarantee your boss isn't watching the very places you'd be posting it. Get real!"

You think I'm trying to sabotage this Hunt for Red Herring? No, not really. I don't care how long any of you want to spend on this. If you, Coyote, or anyone else can come up with some concrete revelations, I'd be more than happy to change my tune. But I don't think it's gonna happen.

Here's the scenario I posed to the boyfriend:

"Suppose you're a high level white house staffer and you've long believed the official line about the integrity of the boooooshies. Then one day you discover a copy of an email that provides clear evidence that karl rove directed the whole U.S. Attorneys' firings, and he did it to protect several influential republican congressmen who were about to be indicted for connection in an election rigged by touch-screen voting machines. You are so shocked, you go into denial for a while but then you decide you want to get the information out there. The problem is, if you do it too blatantly, you run the risk of revealing who you are and maybe losing your job. You need to keep your job if you want to provide more information. So -- HOW DO YOU LEAK THIS INFORMATION AND PROTECT YOURSELF AT THE SAME TIME?

"Do you do post cryptic messages on a public message board, messages so cryptic that no one even knows what you're talking about? Do you lead them via round-about trails to information that's not only irrelevant but considered common knowledge?"

His answer was "Of course not."

This thread started with a request that everyone look not at Deep Modem's status as a _mystery_ poster but rather at the information she/he has actually posted. This is the third such thread I've followed, and I haven't seen ANY information revealed beyond stuff that's far from anything remotely controversial.

Someone asked "We need a list of the people who have been bugged!" Does anyone have any evidence that there's been _bugging_ of any kind? To what end? What's happened to the people who have been bugged? What actions have been taken as a result of the bugging?

Look, if you or I had really valuable inside information, we would NOT post it in public fora. We would go to someone like Sy Hersh who has the resources and the connections to substantiate our claim and at the same time protect us from discovery. We might know ways to keep our identity secret, via remote servers and all that other wifi stuff that I don't know shit about, or we might ask others for information about how to keep such information "safe."

The last thing a serious inside leaker is going to do is put the incriminating evidence out there for all to see. He/she has more brains than to risk that the administration would find it.

I know, I know, I know. It's been a big thrill to think we've all been on a real treasure hunt, that we've all been _entrusted_ by Deep Modem with getting to the bottom of the mystery and saving democracy from the evil depredations of the boooosh-cheeeeeney fascists. Maybe it will all turn out to have been an experiment by some psychology prof to see how people react when tempted by the possibility of being in on the downfall of the regime.

But ask yourself, in all honesty, has anything really been discovered, or have a lot of people wasted a lot of time and energy on something that is going nowhere? And in the meantime, have they been distracted from . . . . . something else?

You make comments about the people attempting to distract the Deep Modem support team, but did you ever think that Deep Modem is the distraction? Look to see what he/she may be distracting you from.

El ojo que ves no es ojo porque t lo veas; es ojo porque te ve.

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  -Mystery Poster "Deep Modem" (DM) = What is DM telling us? FORGET the MYSTERY part. L. Coyote  Aug-24-07 12:10 PM   #0 
  - some content  conscious evolution   Aug-24-07 12:25 PM   #1 
  - I find this fascinating  SimpleTrend   Aug-24-07 12:47 PM   #2 
  - More like incriminating facts  conscious evolution   Aug-24-07 04:24 PM   #14 
     - Here are some of the ones I've found that I find curious  SimpleTrend   Aug-25-07 05:46 PM   #64 
        - Interesting o ee what the White House is up to.  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 06:45 PM   #66 
  - hmmm  conscious evolution   Aug-24-07 12:50 PM   #3 
  -  TBUSA   Aug-24-07 01:09 PM   #5 
  - IMHO this is exactly the kind of probing that we need to be doing  Wiley50   Aug-24-07 01:38 PM   #7 
  - RE: "Might be worthwhile to install the SharePoint software on the machine we are using."  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 09:25 PM   #30 
     - I mean that if we could locate and be able to get into one of their Shareware sites  Wiley50   Aug-24-07 11:22 PM   #44 
  - The domain is still active  dotcosm   Aug-24-07 03:34 PM   #9 
  - I don't know if this is helpful  hang a left   Aug-24-07 05:01 PM   #16 
  - Sidley's NetRange: = - Domains ???  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 09:28 PM   #31 
  - Sidley I Believe is Outside Counsel to Verizon  ribofunk   Aug-24-07 05:28 PM   #17 
  - I believe Verizon has a legal staff. This is just an article citing a case.  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 09:36 PM   #32 
  - Techno-babble. NSI is the name server AND E-Mail Recovery at Work!  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 07:17 PM   #27 
  - RE "Could this be how they are getting around the 'official' email policies?"  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 09:21 PM   #29 
  - Shirley . . . if the mystery poster is reading any of this, he understands that he needs to . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-26-07 10:44 PM   #109 
  - bump  southern_belle   Aug-24-07 01:04 PM   #4 
  - Shirley, Dems know that this is directed at them; politically -- ???? More Nixon/Watergate --  defendandprotect   Aug-24-07 01:23 PM   #6 
  - RE: What we need are a LIST OF THE NAMES OF THOSE BUGGED --  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 09:40 PM   #33 
     - Right . . .. I understand you . . . and everything is possible with these idiots ---  defendandprotect   Aug-25-07 11:13 PM   #79 
        - Total Information Awareness involves capture and storage, and use later too.  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 01:02 AM   #85 
           - But . . .. am I wrong? . . . realistically, we know who the terrorists are -- Buschco --- and . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-26-07 02:07 AM   #87 
  - Does any one have  conscious evolution   Aug-24-07 03:26 PM   #8 
  - UGG and USM have whois sites  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 09:59 PM   #34 
  - Let me point out one thing to be careful about  dotcosm   Aug-24-07 03:38 PM   #10 
  - yeah, I think I got that?...n/t  windbreeze   Aug-24-07 03:55 PM   #11 
  - Bump...up  Buttercup McToots   Aug-24-07 04:08 PM   #12 
  - Let me try to clarify...  dotcosm   Aug-24-07 05:00 PM   #15 
     - That is a VERY important point! Everyone should do this. Big thanks dotcosm!  redacted   Aug-24-07 06:33 PM   #22 
     - That might b overkill. Google has already crawled this thread any times.  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 10:10 PM   #36 
     - Question about tracking links and tabs on browsers  havocmom   Aug-24-07 06:54 PM   #26 
     - Yes.  SimpleTrend   Aug-25-07 05:24 PM   #62 
        - Thanks. Will just copy & paste in new tabs  havocmom   Aug-25-07 07:15 PM   #71 
           - Yes.  SimpleTrend   Aug-25-07 07:30 PM   #73 
     - This works both ways. DU admin can see which IP looks at which post.  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 10:03 PM   #35 
     - Heh, yeah of course that's true  dotcosm   Aug-24-07 11:00 PM   #41 
        - RE; "We need a research thread"  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 11:08 PM   #42 
     - This is intriguing Dotscosm N/T  AikidoSoul   Aug-25-07 07:06 PM   #68 
     - SPOOKY: I downloaded a 178 MB log file, part of this month on my domain.  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 10:29 PM   #78 
        - Well now you've given me a challenge to think about  dotcosm   Aug-27-07 03:30 PM   #112 
  - The URL of the post with the link is logged by the server receiving the request.  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 05:37 PM   #19 
  - Paranoia?  Tansy_Gold   Aug-24-07 10:20 PM   #38 
     - Again, good points. As ponderous as this media is, I would not go back to killing trees.  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 10:51 PM   #40 
     - Then find the subpoena for the emails  Tansy_Gold   Aug-24-07 11:26 PM   #45 
        - The subpoenas are public knowledge. Where the subpoena trail leads is not.  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 12:54 AM   #48 
           - You just made my point for me  Tansy_Gold   Aug-25-07 08:28 AM   #53 
              - I would make this point. People leak info to put it out there, not to keep it secret!  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 08:57 AM   #54 
                 - Cheney's leak was of SPECIFIC information to a  Tansy_Gold   Aug-25-07 11:08 AM   #56 
                    - I, personally, do not think that "dm" is an insider  dotcosm   Aug-25-07 04:15 PM   #59 
                       - I thought the early assumption was that DM *was* an  Tansy_Gold   Aug-25-07 10:25 PM   #77 
     - I understand what you're saying, but  dotcosm   Aug-24-07 11:12 PM   #43 
  - K & R  Blackhatjack   Aug-24-07 04:23 PM   #13 
  - Bush/Ralston lawyer: is a K Street law firm. A partner is Bradford A. Berenson  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 05:31 PM   #18 
  - One point anon kept making was  dotcosm   Aug-24-07 05:48 PM   #20 
  - I think they are spooked...  Buttercup McToots   Aug-24-07 06:31 PM   #21 
  - The disaster on the doorstep has to do with legal liability of the corporations that  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 10:17 PM   #37 
     - "Millions are suing AT&T" . . . yeah . . . but more . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-25-07 11:20 PM   #80 
  - Right! He's "whipsawing" them. And it DOES defeat privilege claims.  redacted   Aug-24-07 06:44 PM   #24 
  - Sidley Austin Partner Appointed By President Bush As Deputy National Security Advisor  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 07:48 PM   #28 
  - From TP  Buttercup McToots   Aug-24-07 06:34 PM   #23 
  - Has anyone been able to access this record in the Wiki Scanner database yet?  redacted   Aug-24-07 06:52 PM   #25 
  - Go to this URL  L. Coyote   Aug-24-07 10:32 PM   #39 
  - FYI, here are some IPs  dotcosm   Aug-25-07 12:59 AM   #49 
     - IP is Michael Powell. Colin Powell's son who worked at the FCC.....n/t  in_cog_ni_to   Aug-26-07 12:46 AM   #84 
  - I guess he wasn't thinking of the history books...  rucky   Aug-24-07 11:32 PM   #46 
  - Good one. We needed a light note.  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 12:39 AM   #47 
     - Another light note: Why's the White House editing RANDI RHODES' Wikipedia page?  redacted   Aug-25-07 04:17 AM   #52 
        - On a hilarious note, Did you click the newer edit link? n/t  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 09:03 AM   #55 
           - LOL! Can't wait till she hears about this!  redacted   Aug-25-07 12:03 PM   #58 
  - More IPs to play with  dotcosm   Aug-25-07 01:06 AM   #50 
  - Note the Hatch Act violations in plain sight, on the Internet.  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 01:50 AM   #51 
  - Big thanks again dotcosm! Very smart!  redacted   Aug-25-07 12:00 PM   #57 
     - My pleasure!  dotcosm   Aug-25-07 05:01 PM   #61 
  - Anybody know if he/she/they posted again in the last 24 hours?  redacted   Aug-25-07 04:45 PM   #60 
  - More interested in how many people are reading what he said. These post  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 05:42 PM   #63 
     - Perhaps I was not clear. What I'm interested in is whether or not the MP has  redacted   Aug-25-07 06:35 PM   #65 
        - I intended to reply to the OP n/t  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 06:53 PM   #67 
  - Sidley Austin LLP Pays IRS $39.4 Million Penalty  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 07:08 PM   #69 
  - Clerkship Bonus Watch: Sidley Austin to $50K  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 07:10 PM   #70 
  - SoNY USA = FEDS decline to prosecute Sidley Austin  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 07:19 PM   #72 
  - Bush hires new group of lawyers, including several from the So. NY USA office.  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 07:55 PM   #74 
  - July 23, 2006 = I.R.S. to Cut Tax Auditors  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 08:09 PM   #76 
  - Sidley Austin Lives to See Another Day  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 11:23 PM   #81 
  - Sidley Austin LLP 2005 Total Lobbying Income: $4,350,000  L. Coyote   Aug-25-07 08:00 PM   #75 
  - Could it be that Karl Rove left the White House to handle this from OUTSIDE . . . ??????  defendandprotect   Aug-25-07 11:26 PM   #82 
  - Regarding your questions. non-email, DM's id, the NSA spying, and ROVE  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 12:21 AM   #83 
  - Some of it I understand, much I do not -- very time consuming to following . . ..  defendandprotect   Aug-26-07 01:53 AM   #86 
     - MORE background information:  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 10:37 AM   #88 
  - video teleconferencing?  conscious evolution   Aug-26-07 06:33 PM   #96 
     - Right on. Good idea. But, are they recorded?  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 06:37 PM   #98 
        - I would have to think so  conscious evolution   Aug-26-07 06:43 PM   #99 
           - When we broadcast classes to several campuses, it is not recorded.  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 07:06 PM   #101 
  - kick  G_Leo_Criley   Aug-26-07 10:59 AM   #89 
  - On Crooks & Liars  Buttercup McToots   Aug-26-07 02:53 PM   #90 
  - Con't  Buttercup McToots   Aug-26-07 02:59 PM   #91 
  - Look at 32  Buttercup McToots   Aug-26-07 03:01 PM   #92 
  - Does Anybody Have A Cliff Notes Version Of What This Is All About ???  WillyT   Aug-26-07 03:03 PM   #93 
  - GOOD IDEA! It seems there are people who want everyone to stay "lost" on this.  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 03:48 PM   #94 
  - Here is a useful Reference Library listing by DUer frogcycle  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 06:13 PM   #95 
  - Summary from Kos, of one of the posts only  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 07:02 PM   #100 
     - Well this is physical interference/supervision . . . ???? Gestapo . . . !!!!  defendandprotect   Aug-26-07 10:10 PM   #108 
        - YES, jail time is the deterrent. The Rs did not foresee oversight, or jail time!!  L. Coyote   Aug-28-07 11:28 PM   #113 
  - US confirms key role of telecom firms in wiretapping  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 06:36 PM   #97 
  - Karl Rove used AOL: Susan Ralston deposition. Did DM read this?  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 07:17 PM   #102 
  - Apparently YES. Just scroll down to his post!!  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 11:13 PM   #110 
  - CREW: Submitted by Anonymous: Leahy Apparently Ignores Open Source Information  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 07:36 PM   #103 
  - MORE: Prepare Back Up Plan When Congress Fails To Defend Constitution  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 08:52 PM   #104 
  - MORE: Prosecuting A Sitting President: State-Led Effort  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 08:53 PM   #105 
  - CREW a GOLD MINE of "Anonymous" posts: Missing OVP Evidence Admissible  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 09:35 PM   #106 
  - SPIN OFF: NEW Mystery Poster on CREW = "Anonymous" +++ Deep Modem's Mother Lode?  L. Coyote   Aug-26-07 10:01 PM   #107 
  - The REAL Mystery Poster no mystery. Deep Modem may be a RUSE and here is  L. Coyote   Aug-27-07 12:18 PM   #111 
  - did I miss the mention of this?  RainDog   Aug-28-07 11:49 PM   #114 
  - FOUND: Deep Modem's source. FORTY original "Anonymous Lawyer" posts at CREW with links:  L. Coyote   Aug-29-07 02:46 PM   #115 
  - 21 August 2007 is a distinct poster, not the Anonymous Lawyer. n/t  L. Coyote   Aug-29-07 03:46 PM   #116 
  - NEW spin off: "Mystery Poster" DEEP MODEM Demystified. SOURCE Found at CREW  L. Coyote   Aug-29-07 06:31 PM   #117 

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