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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-24-07 09:54 PM
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76. Well, that's true
Fred Phelps is an interesting case. Most people think he's within his constitutional rights to do what he does, and it certainly doesn't directly harm anyone in a physical way. They don't want to make what he's doing illegal.

But at the same time, they recognize that he's spreading homophobia, and encouraging bigotry in our society - and they recognize a connection between hate speech against a group, and violence against that group. So they speak out against him on that basis, without wanting him to be arrested.
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  -Pot, porn, and pants that hang low--what causes the busybody reaction to these phenomena? jpgray  Aug-24-07 10:14 AM   #0 
  - I agree with you, mostly - except that low hanging pants ARE stupid  Rabrrrrrr   Aug-24-07 10:19 AM   #1 
  - Opinions on such things are fine--they doesn't masquerade as objective truth or support censorship  jpgray   Aug-24-07 10:21 AM   #2 
  - Pants that are so tight..  The Vinyl Ripper   Aug-24-07 10:24 AM   #4 
  - When I was in high school, many people thought that the pegged  Arkansas Granny   Aug-24-07 10:46 AM   #25 
  - I would rather live in a world  democracyindanger   Aug-24-07 11:09 AM   #31 
  - Which "other cinema, literature... etc"  LibInternationalist   Aug-24-07 10:24 AM   #3 
  - Need I direct you to the feminist stylings of Too Short?  jpgray   Aug-24-07 10:26 AM   #5 
     - ....  bicentennial_baby   Aug-24-07 10:28 AM   #6 
     - That doesn't answer my question.  LibInternationalist   Aug-24-07 10:34 AM   #11 
     - Bad or worse is subjective. What do you find so objectionable about porn?  jpgray   Aug-24-07 10:38 AM   #17 
        - The fact that it starkly presents women as sex objects  LibInternationalist   Aug-24-07 10:53 AM   #28 
           - Cinema and popular music do all those things on a regular basis  jpgray   Aug-24-07 10:58 AM   #29 
              - I beg to differ  LibInternationalist   Aug-24-07 11:16 AM   #33 
                 - So in part it's the fact that it's real sex that bothers you?  jpgray   Aug-24-07 11:21 AM   #35 
                    - My opinion is more valid to me, because it is mine.  LibInternationalist   Aug-24-07 11:44 AM   #49 
                       - That's a tough definition of degradation to work with, but I'd agree with you  jpgray   Aug-24-07 11:50 AM   #53 
     - We need less Too short and more Skee Lo  YOY   Aug-24-07 10:34 AM   #12 
  - To answer your initial question...  FredStembottom   Aug-24-07 10:31 AM   #7 
  - Free trade generates profit by suppressing human rights  jpgray   Aug-24-07 10:35 AM   #13 
  - I would say that Free Trade _leads_ to a suppression of Human Rights  FredStembottom   Aug-24-07 10:51 AM   #27 
  - With economics, it's who the rules favor  eridani   Aug-25-07 04:01 AM   #79 
  - Low slung pants=great comedy IMO  Carni   Aug-24-07 10:31 AM   #8 
  - Crass is crass. And flaunting underpants is crass. Let's not gussy this up with "sociology".  WinkyDink   Aug-24-07 10:33 AM   #9 
  - What was crass to your parents? To your grandparents?  jpgray   Aug-24-07 10:36 AM   #14 
  - Are you speaking of in-house private behaviors? Or public, as the OP is? I stayed on-topic.  WinkyDink   Aug-24-07 10:40 AM   #19 
     - Most men wore suits and hats outside in the 30s--would they consider our wardrobes "crass"?  jpgray   Aug-24-07 10:42 AM   #22 
  - Get off my lawn, you kids!  asthmaticeog   Aug-24-07 10:38 AM   #18 
     - You know me too well. :)  WinkyDink   Aug-24-07 10:42 AM   #21 
  - "Busybody reactions"  buddyhollysghost   Aug-24-07 10:33 AM   #10 
  - Where did I ask anyone to stop voicing an opinion? Where did I say anyone wanted to take away porn?  jpgray   Aug-24-07 10:37 AM   #16 
  - Isn't that exactly what you are doing?  buddyhollysghost   Aug-24-07 11:17 AM   #34 
     - I get curious when people condemn others for doing what they enjoy while harming no one  jpgray   Aug-24-07 11:25 AM   #37 
     - Well who do I harm when i discuss why i don't like porn?  buddyhollysghost   Aug-24-07 11:31 AM   #41 
        - Post the quotes. I don't see them anywhere  jpgray   Aug-24-07 11:35 AM   #42 
     - Thank you  tkmorris   Aug-24-07 11:35 AM   #43 
        - Thank you  buddyhollysghost   Aug-24-07 11:47 AM   #51 
  - This is very true--I haven't seen any calls for censorship  eridani   Aug-25-07 04:04 AM   #80 
  - old people are funny  mikelgb   Aug-24-07 10:36 AM   #15 
  - I don't like looking at a$$cracks in public, that's why.  AllyCat   Aug-24-07 10:42 AM   #20 
  - The pot thing is just a racist thing - that's easy. So, too, are the low pants, probably....  BlooInBloo   Aug-24-07 10:43 AM   #23 
  - So if I think that low-hanging pant are just plain ridiculous looking  LanternWaste   Aug-24-07 10:45 AM   #24 
  - Having an opinion is fine. When it masquerades as fact or supports censorship, that's different  jpgray   Aug-24-07 10:47 AM   #26 
     - Who supported censorship of porn?  buddyhollysghost   Aug-24-07 11:27 AM   #39 
        - Calm down. Where did I accuse anyone of doing this?  jpgray   Aug-24-07 11:28 AM   #40 
           - But you brought up censorship several times up above  buddyhollysghost   Aug-24-07 11:37 AM   #44 
              - Post the quotes. I said -if- it advocates censorship, it's different than just an opinion  jpgray   Aug-24-07 11:41 AM   #47 
                 - Sorry but that ain't gonna fly  buddyhollysghost   Aug-24-07 11:58 AM   #58 
                    - I said I have a problem with people who want to censor behavior they don't like  jpgray   Aug-24-07 12:01 PM   #60 
                       - So let me get the logic straight here:  buddyhollysghost   Aug-24-07 12:17 PM   #61 
                          - That's correct--in both cases I was asked if I have a problem with opinions  jpgray   Aug-24-07 12:22 PM   #62 
                             - It's hard to be cool  buddyhollysghost   Aug-24-07 12:39 PM   #65 
  - Dunno about porn and pot...  TygrBright   Aug-24-07 11:07 AM   #30 
  - I try to imagine giving a flying f--k about how people wear their  regularguy   Aug-24-07 11:16 AM   #32 
  - Busybody.....  Jade Fox   Aug-24-07 11:22 AM   #36 
  - What do you call people who condemn others for doing what they enjoy while harming no one?  jpgray   Aug-24-07 11:25 AM   #38 
     - You're doing some condemning here yourself, my friend...  Jade Fox   Aug-24-07 11:40 AM   #46 
        - Where do I ask anyone to "correct" their thinking? I just ask them to consider where it comes from  jpgray   Aug-24-07 11:43 AM   #48 
           - Please re-read the post....  Jade Fox   Aug-24-07 11:50 AM   #52 
              - Sorry. I'm a little irritated I keep getting accused of bossing people around  jpgray   Aug-24-07 11:51 AM   #54 
  - I once said 'let's get some social lubricants' at where I worked and this lady about blew a gasket  EVDebs   Aug-24-07 11:37 AM   #45 
  - Great...You're A Modern Day Mill  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-24-07 11:45 AM   #50 
  - Almost completely agree;  abq e streeter   Aug-24-07 11:53 AM   #55 
  - Right, but for the purposes of this post, just the phenomenon of identification is illustrative  jpgray   Aug-24-07 11:54 AM   #56 
     - Thanks for the response  abq e streeter   Aug-24-07 12:26 PM   #63 
  - I see you doing the same thing in your essay, in a few instances...  Joe Fields   Aug-24-07 11:54 AM   #57 
  - As I say in the beginning, it's a natural almost irresistable impulse to generalize groups of people  jpgray   Aug-24-07 11:58 AM   #59 
     - actually appx 30%V of the population reacts adversely to the unfamiliar....  bettyellen   Aug-24-07 04:01 PM   #72 
  - public discourse on matters of public interest ...  iverglas   Aug-24-07 12:27 PM   #64 
  - stereotyping the Duke rape case response  Warren Stupidity   Aug-24-07 01:26 PM   #66 
  - Ya know, I learned a LONG time ago to "live and let live" and to mind my own business.  in_cog_ni_to   Aug-24-07 01:36 PM   #67 
  - Too many people care about being 1990s-style culture warriors rather then caring about real issues.  Odin2005   Aug-24-07 03:51 PM   #68 
  - 1990's style culture warriors? What's that?  JVS   Aug-24-07 03:52 PM   #69 
     - WOOOHOOO POST #69!  JVS   Aug-24-07 03:52 PM   #70 
     - The modern equivalent of the prohibitionists.  Odin2005   Aug-24-07 03:59 PM   #71 
  - I'm just gonna repeat one part of your post  lwfern   Aug-24-07 07:54 PM   #73 
  - I don't think anyone can argue with that  jpgray   Aug-24-07 08:53 PM   #74 
     - Well, that's true  lwfern   Aug-24-07 09:54 PM   #76 
        - Yep, and I think people tend to ascribe the wrong motivations to people  jpgray   Aug-24-07 10:02 PM   #77 
  - When did pot become bad? Link?  TheFriendlyAnarchist   Aug-24-07 09:44 PM   #75 
  - But what if I came here for an argument? - n/t  porphyrian   Aug-24-07 10:23 PM   #78 

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