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Fri Aug-24-07 07:54 PM
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| 73. I'm just gonna repeat one part of your post |
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When actual harm is being done or rights are being trampled, then subjectivity takes a back seat to protect human rights.
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| -Pot, porn, and pants that hang low--what causes the busybody reaction to these phenomena? |
jpgray |
Aug-24-07 10:14 AM |
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I agree with you, mostly - except that low hanging pants ARE stupid |
Rabrrrrrr |
Aug-24-07 10:19 AM |
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Opinions on such things are fine--they doesn't masquerade as objective truth or support censorship |
jpgray |
Aug-24-07 10:21 AM |
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Pants that are so tight.. |
The Vinyl Ripper |
Aug-24-07 10:24 AM |
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When I was in high school, many people thought that the pegged |
Arkansas Granny |
Aug-24-07 10:46 AM |
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I would rather live in a world |
democracyindanger |
Aug-24-07 11:09 AM |
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Which "other cinema, literature... etc" |
LibInternationalist |
Aug-24-07 10:24 AM |
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Need I direct you to the feminist stylings of Too Short? |
jpgray |
Aug-24-07 10:26 AM |
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.... |
bicentennial_baby |
Aug-24-07 10:28 AM |
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That doesn't answer my question. |
LibInternationalist |
Aug-24-07 10:34 AM |
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Bad or worse is subjective. What do you find so objectionable about porn? |
jpgray |
Aug-24-07 10:38 AM |
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The fact that it starkly presents women as sex objects |
LibInternationalist |
Aug-24-07 10:53 AM |
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Cinema and popular music do all those things on a regular basis |
jpgray |
Aug-24-07 10:58 AM |
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I beg to differ |
LibInternationalist |
Aug-24-07 11:16 AM |
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So in part it's the fact that it's real sex that bothers you? |
jpgray |
Aug-24-07 11:21 AM |
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My opinion is more valid to me, because it is mine. |
LibInternationalist |
Aug-24-07 11:44 AM |
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That's a tough definition of degradation to work with, but I'd agree with you |
jpgray |
Aug-24-07 11:50 AM |
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We need less Too short and more Skee Lo |
YOY |
Aug-24-07 10:34 AM |
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To answer your initial question... |
FredStembottom |
Aug-24-07 10:31 AM |
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Free trade generates profit by suppressing human rights |
jpgray |
Aug-24-07 10:35 AM |
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I would say that Free Trade _leads_ to a suppression of Human Rights |
FredStembottom |
Aug-24-07 10:51 AM |
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With economics, it's who the rules favor |
eridani |
Aug-25-07 04:01 AM |
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Low slung pants=great comedy IMO |
Carni |
Aug-24-07 10:31 AM |
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Crass is crass. And flaunting underpants is crass. Let's not gussy this up with "sociology". |
WinkyDink |
Aug-24-07 10:33 AM |
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What was crass to your parents? To your grandparents? |
jpgray |
Aug-24-07 10:36 AM |
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Are you speaking of in-house private behaviors? Or public, as the OP is? I stayed on-topic. |
WinkyDink |
Aug-24-07 10:40 AM |
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Most men wore suits and hats outside in the 30s--would they consider our wardrobes "crass"? |
jpgray |
Aug-24-07 10:42 AM |
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Get off my lawn, you kids! |
asthmaticeog |
Aug-24-07 10:38 AM |
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You know me too well. :) |
WinkyDink |
Aug-24-07 10:42 AM |
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"Busybody reactions" |
buddyhollysghost |
Aug-24-07 10:33 AM |
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Where did I ask anyone to stop voicing an opinion? Where did I say anyone wanted to take away porn? |
jpgray |
Aug-24-07 10:37 AM |
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Isn't that exactly what you are doing? |
buddyhollysghost |
Aug-24-07 11:17 AM |
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I get curious when people condemn others for doing what they enjoy while harming no one |
jpgray |
Aug-24-07 11:25 AM |
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Well who do I harm when i discuss why i don't like porn? |
buddyhollysghost |
Aug-24-07 11:31 AM |
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Post the quotes. I don't see them anywhere |
jpgray |
Aug-24-07 11:35 AM |
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Thank you |
tkmorris |
Aug-24-07 11:35 AM |
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Thank you |
buddyhollysghost |
Aug-24-07 11:47 AM |
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This is very true--I haven't seen any calls for censorship |
eridani |
Aug-25-07 04:04 AM |
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old people are funny |
mikelgb |
Aug-24-07 10:36 AM |
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I don't like looking at a$$cracks in public, that's why. |
AllyCat |
Aug-24-07 10:42 AM |
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The pot thing is just a racist thing - that's easy. So, too, are the low pants, probably.... |
BlooInBloo |
Aug-24-07 10:43 AM |
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So if I think that low-hanging pant are just plain ridiculous looking |
LanternWaste |
Aug-24-07 10:45 AM |
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Having an opinion is fine. When it masquerades as fact or supports censorship, that's different |
jpgray |
Aug-24-07 10:47 AM |
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Who supported censorship of porn? |
buddyhollysghost |
Aug-24-07 11:27 AM |
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Calm down. Where did I accuse anyone of doing this? |
jpgray |
Aug-24-07 11:28 AM |
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But you brought up censorship several times up above |
buddyhollysghost |
Aug-24-07 11:37 AM |
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Post the quotes. I said -if- it advocates censorship, it's different than just an opinion |
jpgray |
Aug-24-07 11:41 AM |
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Sorry but that ain't gonna fly |
buddyhollysghost |
Aug-24-07 11:58 AM |
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I said I have a problem with people who want to censor behavior they don't like |
jpgray |
Aug-24-07 12:01 PM |
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So let me get the logic straight here: |
buddyhollysghost |
Aug-24-07 12:17 PM |
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That's correct--in both cases I was asked if I have a problem with opinions |
jpgray |
Aug-24-07 12:22 PM |
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It's hard to be cool |
buddyhollysghost |
Aug-24-07 12:39 PM |
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Dunno about porn and pot... |
TygrBright |
Aug-24-07 11:07 AM |
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I try to imagine giving a flying f--k about how people wear their |
regularguy |
Aug-24-07 11:16 AM |
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Busybody..... |
Jade Fox |
Aug-24-07 11:22 AM |
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What do you call people who condemn others for doing what they enjoy while harming no one? |
jpgray |
Aug-24-07 11:25 AM |
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You're doing some condemning here yourself, my friend... |
Jade Fox |
Aug-24-07 11:40 AM |
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Where do I ask anyone to "correct" their thinking? I just ask them to consider where it comes from |
jpgray |
Aug-24-07 11:43 AM |
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Please re-read the post.... |
Jade Fox |
Aug-24-07 11:50 AM |
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Sorry. I'm a little irritated I keep getting accused of bossing people around |
jpgray |
Aug-24-07 11:51 AM |
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I once said 'let's get some social lubricants' at where I worked and this lady about blew a gasket |
EVDebs |
Aug-24-07 11:37 AM |
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Great...You're A Modern Day Mill |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-24-07 11:45 AM |
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Almost completely agree; |
abq e streeter |
Aug-24-07 11:53 AM |
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Right, but for the purposes of this post, just the phenomenon of identification is illustrative |
jpgray |
Aug-24-07 11:54 AM |
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Thanks for the response |
abq e streeter |
Aug-24-07 12:26 PM |
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I see you doing the same thing in your essay, in a few instances... |
Joe Fields |
Aug-24-07 11:54 AM |
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As I say in the beginning, it's a natural almost irresistable impulse to generalize groups of people |
jpgray |
Aug-24-07 11:58 AM |
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actually appx 30%V of the population reacts adversely to the unfamiliar.... |
bettyellen |
Aug-24-07 04:01 PM |
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public discourse on matters of public interest ... |
iverglas |
Aug-24-07 12:27 PM |
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stereotyping the Duke rape case response |
Warren Stupidity |
Aug-24-07 01:26 PM |
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Ya know, I learned a LONG time ago to "live and let live" and to mind my own business. |
in_cog_ni_to |
Aug-24-07 01:36 PM |
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Too many people care about being 1990s-style culture warriors rather then caring about real issues. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-24-07 03:51 PM |
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1990's style culture warriors? What's that? |
JVS |
Aug-24-07 03:52 PM |
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WOOOHOOO POST #69! |
JVS |
Aug-24-07 03:52 PM |
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The modern equivalent of the prohibitionists. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-24-07 03:59 PM |
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I'm just gonna repeat one part of your post |
lwfern |
Aug-24-07 07:54 PM |
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I don't think anyone can argue with that |
jpgray |
Aug-24-07 08:53 PM |
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Well, that's true |
lwfern |
Aug-24-07 09:54 PM |
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Yep, and I think people tend to ascribe the wrong motivations to people |
jpgray |
Aug-24-07 10:02 PM |
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When did pot become bad? Link? |
TheFriendlyAnarchist |
Aug-24-07 09:44 PM |
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But what if I came here for an argument? - n/t |
porphyrian |
Aug-24-07 10:23 PM |
#78 |
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