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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 05:37 PM
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35. Huh. It's amazing that I can have this same conversation above with youngdem...
and yet it's so much more civil.

Anyway, leaving your desperate need for an attitude adjustment aside, I'm not suggesting that there's some "good" result possible. I'm suggesting that there are varying degrees of bad, and we need to consider which one is the worst. As I said to youngdem, it's not as though I dismiss completely leaving Iraq as an invalid argument. I do think, however, that the plans offered by every single Democratic contender with a chance in hell of winning the primary are worth at least considering, and for you to slap their ideas aside with a simple, smug "Spare Me," is not just to call me a Republican using neocon talking points -- you're calling Edwards, Clinton and Obama Republicans using neocon talking points. And if the Democrats are all not just Republicans, but neoconservatives as well, then the finer points of the Iraq withdrawal is not even close to the biggest problem we have. Happily, I think any rational voice would allow that, while the Democratic contenders each have their problems (some a lot more than others), none of them is cut whole-cloth from Dick Cheney's skin.
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  -Hannity just claimed that Hillary said she would keep troops in Iraq eagler  Aug-20-07 03:29 PM   #0 
  - He also said HRC says she is in an interracial marriage  Gman   Aug-20-07 03:31 PM   #1 
  - and to think that he is getting rich off this blatter!  rodeodance   Aug-20-07 03:42 PM   #11 
  - He's a liar and a spin doctor  DemKR   Aug-20-07 03:32 PM   #2 
  - Yeah, it's on her website.  JTFrog   Aug-20-07 03:32 PM   #3 
  - from her own web site:  SteppingRazor   Aug-20-07 03:33 PM   #4 
  - Don't know about  JTFrog   Aug-20-07 03:38 PM   #9 
  - Or so you estimate.  SteppingRazor   Aug-20-07 03:42 PM   #12 
     - Here's one link.  JTFrog   Aug-20-07 04:16 PM   #19 
  - getting out of Iraq is getting out of Iraq, staying is staying  eagler   Aug-20-07 03:53 PM   #15 
     - Foreign policy is not black and white, it's gray.  SteppingRazor   Aug-20-07 04:00 PM   #18 
        - Nothing isolationist about it. The majority of Iraqis want us out.  eagler   Aug-20-07 04:20 PM   #20 
        - I agree.  SteppingRazor   Aug-20-07 04:45 PM   #24 
        - Isolationist? Are you high?  youngdem   Aug-20-07 04:33 PM   #21 
        - Check the avatar.  SteppingRazor   Aug-20-07 04:48 PM   #26 
           - We could never prevent that from happening.  youngdem   Aug-20-07 05:03 PM   #29 
              - Y'know, it's not as though I think your argument's invalid  SteppingRazor   Aug-20-07 05:10 PM   #31 
                 - I do understand the desire to stay and help the mess we created  youngdem   Aug-20-07 05:21 PM   #34 
        - Preemptive invasion and sustained occupation are no substitute for actual "foreign policy".  dicksteele   Aug-20-07 04:57 PM   #27 
           - OK, when we leave Iraq to its own devices...  SteppingRazor   Aug-20-07 04:59 PM   #28 
              - That's a FALSE CHOICE based on the NeoCon Lie that some "good" result is still possible in Iraq.  dicksteele   Aug-20-07 05:12 PM   #32 
                 - Huh. It's amazing that I can have this same conversation above with youngdem...  SteppingRazor   Aug-20-07 05:37 PM   #35 
  - If you look at the plans, all of the dems would leave troops in Iraq  MiniMe   Aug-20-07 03:36 PM   #5 
  - Not my candidate.  endarkenment   Aug-20-07 03:37 PM   #8 
  - sorry, they don't count  sniffa   Aug-20-07 03:58 PM   #16 
  - Look how many American lives would have been saved had we pulled out of Vietnam earlier  eagler   Aug-20-07 05:05 PM   #30 
  - Richardson is adamant all troops get out  Enrique   Aug-20-07 04:39 PM   #23 
  - "Hannity just claimed" nt.  endarkenment   Aug-20-07 03:37 PM   #6 
  - Only Richardson and Kucinich would take all troops out  quinnox   Aug-20-07 03:37 PM   #7 
  - yes, they have said that lots of time. leave a resistual force to train/and or go  rodeodance   Aug-20-07 03:41 PM   #10 
     - Hillary changed it from 'over the horizon' force  sandnsea   Aug-20-07 04:34 PM   #22 
  - So what's his beef?  kskiska   Aug-20-07 03:43 PM   #13 
  - maybe he just wants her as the dem pick  sniffa   Aug-20-07 03:59 PM   #17 
  - Hannity and Faux in general spit out headlines with no explanation to generate controversy.  onehandle   Aug-20-07 03:46 PM   #14 
  - That dipshit. We ought to file a class action suit against him.  lpbk2713   Aug-20-07 04:47 PM   #25 
  - Gee, and he's usually so fair and balanced and truthful  Terri S   Aug-20-07 05:17 PM   #33 

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