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13. Another winner TFC-thanks. I am surprised at the reluctance even in the blogosphere
of some who will not touch the case of election fraud even when the stories originate from msm sites. I send tips to a number of sites, but to several that cover important news the issue of election fraud and manipulation will not be discussed. Stories such as:

Nearly half of voting machines tested fail

Montgomery officials tested the 5% of machines that drew complaints; 56 of those 125 machines failed.


By Lynn Hulsey
Staff Writer
Wednesday, March 21, 2007

DAYTON After two days of tests, the results are in: About 2,500 people cast ballots in November on 56 malfunctioning electronic touch-screen voting machines in Montgomery County, said Steve Harsman, county board of elections director.

He said it is impossible to know how many people finalized their electronic ballots without realizing that the Diebold Elections Systems machines were inaccurately registering their votes. But people had three chances to review their votes before finalizing them, and all the machines accurately tallied the votes that were finalized by voters, Harsman said.



On Tuesday, county election officials completed testing of 125 machines identified in voter complaints collected by Advocates for Basic Legal Equality, which called for the investigation. Some 2,530 voting machines were used in the county on Election Day.

Harsman said several malfunctioning machines were clustered at certain precincts, indicating they may have been damaged during delivery by a trucking company that hauls the machines to the polls.

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http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/...

2004 ballots not preserved
Result of presidential vote cannot be verified
BY JON CRAIG AND ALLISON D'AURORA | JCRAIG@ENQUIRER.COM AND DAURORA.5@OSU.EDU


COLUMBUS - Despite a federal judge's order to preserve all ballots from the 2004 presidential election - in which Ohio provided President Bush's margin of victory - boards of elections in 56 of Ohio's 88 counties lost, shredded or dumped nearly 1.6 million ballots and election records.

#149; Data Center: See what your county did with the ballots

In 39 letters of explanation sent to newly elected Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, a Democrat, county election officials offered a litany of excuses for the missing and destroyed ballots - including spilled coffee, a flooded storage areaand miscommunication with a county "Green Team" assigned to pick up recyclables. About half the lost ballots were unused, but even those are important for double-checking election results.

In Southwest Ohio, some unused ballots were shredded. Others were lost during a remodeling. Pages that verify punch-card ballot counts and the rotation of candidates' names ended up in Mount Rumpke landfill, according to letters from four elections boards.

The loss of the ballots is important because, since the 2004 election, critics - on blogs, in Congress and in lawsuits - have questioned whether the election was conducted fairly. While many of those questions eased after several investigations and the Democratic election sweep in 2006 in Ohio, elections officials still worry about anything that leaves the perception that elections aren't legitimate.

-SNIP

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/200...

Saturday, August 11, 2007

Clermont County's ballots











Jon Craig brings you the sage of the missing ballots in Sunday's Enquirer. You can also read it here.


Meanwhile...



The groups behind the lawsuit say they have uncovered evidence of possible tampering in Clermont County, a traditionally Republican-leaning county where Bush won easily.


For example: oval-shaped stickers were inexplicably found on at least 10 ballots in Clermont County, for several several state and local races as well as president and the same-sex marriage ballot issue.



The tiny white stickers would have blocked an optical scanner from counting a vote for the pencil mark thats visible below. Two of those ballots from Pierce Township were preserved and observed by Enquirer reporters Thursday.

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http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/gov /

WHICH SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO THE PUBLIC FALL ON DEAF EARS. LOOKING AT THE CONSEQUENCES OF STOLEN ELECTIONS-7 EARS OF * AND THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR CONSTITUTION, YOU WOULD THINK THAT THE ORIGINAL REASON HE IS IN POWER WOULD GET DISCUSSED. IT'S UNBELIEVABLE!
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  -Unmentionable Things in U.S. Politics Time for change  Aug-17-07 10:06 PM   #0 
  - Wow! But there are more examples  EndlessMaze   Aug-18-07 01:10 AM   #1 
  - For those to whom much has been given, little will be asked.  CrispyQGirl   Aug-18-07 06:23 AM   #7 
  - good points, let me add something else  MissWaverly   Aug-18-07 08:25 AM   #16 
  - Yes, all those things are taboo to one degree or another  Time for change   Aug-18-07 03:50 PM   #48 
  - I was just reflecting this morning on the same subject in relation to the UK  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Aug-19-07 03:18 PM   #89 
     - The issues *are* discussed but not by politicians with real power at the moment  LeftishBrit   Aug-21-07 09:06 AM   #99 
  - Certain things, if mentioned, would bring this nation to it's knees.  Philosoraptor   Aug-18-07 02:53 AM   #2 
  - In the way that you envision that  Time for change   Aug-18-07 11:14 AM   #24 
  - Poignant post...  Solon   Aug-18-07 03:26 AM   #3 
  - esp. when super patriots keep jingling keys to the nukes  MissWaverly   Aug-18-07 09:29 AM   #20 
  - Yes -- the jingoism is a good part of it  Time for change   Aug-18-07 09:16 PM   #74 
     - The big problem isn't that its secret, but that it isn't a secret at all...  Solon   Aug-19-07 02:52 AM   #82 
        - I agree with a great deal of what you say here  Time for change   Aug-19-07 08:36 AM   #84 
  - to this list I would add "Questioning what happened on 9/11" . . . n/t  OneBlueSky   Aug-18-07 03:56 AM   #4 
  - sssshhhhh  Philosoraptor   Aug-18-07 04:10 AM   #5 
  - I just can't believe it took over 5 hours for the loonies to come flocking from the basement.  Balbus   Aug-18-07 01:42 PM   #32 
  - There was never an investigation of what happened. Never.  TankLV   Aug-18-07 03:04 PM   #43 
     - It happened cuz the terraist hate us for our freedumb  drking81   Aug-18-07 09:45 PM   #78 
  - Absolutely  Time for change   Aug-18-07 02:58 PM   #42 
  - I disagree about 9/11. The 9/11 conspiracy theories have been thoroughly and repeatedly debunked.  Perry Logan   Aug-18-07 06:00 AM   #6 
  - If there had been a real investigation, there would be no questions.  baldguy   Aug-18-07 07:06 AM   #8 
  - Gee perry logan....I guess you are right....fer sher!  ooglymoogly   Aug-18-07 07:56 AM   #11 
  - self delete wrong place.  ooglymoogly   Aug-18-07 08:03 AM   #12 
  - Just one question...  The Vinyl Ripper   Aug-18-07 08:25 AM   #17 
  - Logical  Summer93   Aug-18-07 10:19 AM   #23 
  - In cases of security threats though..  The Vinyl Ripper   Aug-18-07 01:02 PM   #28 
  - Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner.  raccoon   Aug-21-07 08:39 AM   #97 
  - Why should we listen to them?  Time for change   Aug-18-07 09:09 AM   #19 
  - yes sir...and yes indeed....  ooglymoogly   Aug-18-07 12:52 PM   #27 
  - "I don't have an engineering bacfkground" - that is WHY YOU will never  TankLV   Aug-18-07 03:12 PM   #44 
     - My belief in MIHOP is not based on what caused the towers to fall  Time for change   Aug-18-07 03:45 PM   #47 
     - Quite a few engineers believe otherwise.  irislake   Aug-19-07 08:52 AM   #86 
     - Sorry To Prick Your Certitude, See "Architects And Engineers For Truth" At...  Fainter   Aug-19-07 04:38 PM   #92 
  - enlighten yourself with David Ray Griffin's "Debunking 9/11 Debunking"  bbgrunt   Aug-18-07 01:38 PM   #31 
  - No. Enlighten yourself on the subject here:  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Aug-19-07 03:28 PM   #91 
  - The official story can't be correct. There's hard proof that they at least KNEW 9/11 was going to  DutchLiberal   Aug-18-07 02:15 PM   #37 
  - Now - THAT part of the truth is also a FACT.  TankLV   Aug-18-07 03:13 PM   #45 
  - After 6 years? I don't think so.  undeterred   Aug-18-07 02:44 PM   #40 
  - Neither can the White House Officials  irislake   Aug-19-07 08:37 AM   #85 
  - K&R  Senator   Aug-18-07 07:32 AM   #9 
  - Excellent post. And it's not just politicians....  Junkdrawer   Aug-18-07 07:43 AM   #10 
  - Thank you -- Yes, it certainly is not just the politicians  Time for change   Aug-18-07 04:30 PM   #49 
  - Malloy...Rosie...Jim Fetzer....  Junkdrawer   Aug-18-07 07:19 PM   #62 
  - Not forgetting to mention that so called secret plan  nolabels   Aug-19-07 07:32 AM   #83 
  - Another winner TFC-thanks. I am surprised at the reluctance even in the blogosphere  mod mom   Aug-18-07 08:05 AM   #13 
  - I believe there's a strong element of denial there  Time for change   Aug-18-07 12:37 PM   #25 
  - Its great to see someone put what most of us are thinking  ooglymoogly   Aug-18-07 08:06 AM   #14 
  - code words: remaining vital national security interests in Iraq  leftchick   Aug-18-07 08:22 AM   #15 
  - Yeah, code words, good point  Time for change   Aug-18-07 06:38 PM   #59 
  - Great post!  loudsue   Aug-18-07 09:09 AM   #18 
  - Thank you -- yes, that's a real shame  Time for change   Aug-18-07 09:22 PM   #75 
  - Wonderful K&R n/t  slipslidingaway   Aug-18-07 09:46 AM   #21 
  - excellent post!  G_j   Aug-18-07 09:46 AM   #22 
  - That's the whole point.  LWolf   Aug-18-07 12:50 PM   #26 
  - I most certainly hope that they are up for a big change  Time for change   Aug-18-07 07:03 PM   #60 
     - I'm with you on that one.  LWolf   Aug-18-07 07:13 PM   #61 
  - This dynamic is like that of a dysfunctional family  bleever   Aug-18-07 01:17 PM   #29 
  - I believe that the dysfunctional family parallel is a good part of the picture  Time for change   Aug-18-07 05:09 PM   #52 
  - I think JFK left a response too your OP.  Larry Ogg   Aug-18-07 01:26 PM   #30 
  - Wow, what a great speech!  Time for change   Aug-18-07 06:14 PM   #58 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Aug-18-07 01:42 PM   #33 
  - great post. Let's also not forget that  bbgrunt   Aug-18-07 02:00 PM   #34 
  - Thank you -- wasn't aware that some of those people had "debunked" the 9-11 Truth Movement  Time for change   Aug-18-07 08:16 PM   #65 
     - well they are all certainly wary of being lambasted like  bbgrunt   Aug-18-07 08:42 PM   #67 
        - Take Chomsky and Corn for example  Time for change   Aug-18-07 08:51 PM   #69 
           - I know. But then it seems impossible that John Conyers would  bbgrunt   Aug-18-07 09:16 PM   #73 
  - Recommended! Best OP I've read in a long time. More:  DutchLiberal   Aug-18-07 02:02 PM   #35 
  - Thank you -- Yes, the cruel things that some of our troops do to the inhabitants of other countries  Time for change   Aug-18-07 07:34 PM   #63 
     - But whenever somebody speaks out about such crimes, the MSM destroys them.  DutchLiberal   Aug-19-07 01:55 PM   #87 
  - Failing to speak with forthrightness about the coming impacts of peak oil  IDemo   Aug-18-07 02:14 PM   #36 
  - K&R+ a cross-post from an interesting parent thread that does discuss "unmentionables"  bobthedrummer   Aug-18-07 02:24 PM   #38 
  - "An election that could be cancelled by decree"  Time for change   Aug-18-07 09:06 PM   #70 
  - Not to nitpick, but didn't Lyndon Johnson lie first about Vietnam?  undeterred   Aug-18-07 02:38 PM   #39 
  - I debated myself on whether it would be more accurate to say that  Time for change   Aug-18-07 02:52 PM   #41 
     - Fantastic post.  undeterred   Aug-18-07 03:20 PM   #46 
     - Make it FOUR Presidents  TheOtherMaven   Aug-18-07 07:44 PM   #64 
        - Even worse  Time for change   Aug-18-07 08:20 PM   #66 
  - If you had a free press everything would be mentionable.  irislake   Aug-18-07 04:33 PM   #50 
  - Yes, it would  Time for change   Aug-18-07 09:13 PM   #72 
  - k+r  Progs Rock   Aug-18-07 04:59 PM   #51 
  - 10 Zen Monkies has a similar list  intaglio   Aug-18-07 05:18 PM   #53 
  - That's a great list -- I didn't know that existed  Time for change   Aug-18-07 09:10 PM   #71 
  - This goes into the "Perception Management" file. K&R!  BornagainDUer   Aug-18-07 05:25 PM   #54 
  - 9/11 attack was  krj44   Aug-18-07 05:26 PM   #55 
  - K&R  bonito   Aug-18-07 05:38 PM   #56 
  - Holy Mackerel!  nathan hale   Aug-18-07 05:44 PM   #57 
  - My heresies  Lydia Leftcoast   Aug-18-07 08:48 PM   #68 
  - Great post. nt  raccoon   Aug-21-07 08:44 AM   #98 
  - Here is the most glaring omission to me  Melissa G   Aug-18-07 09:22 PM   #76 
  - Those are big ones -- and shamelessly hidden from the American people  Time for change   Aug-18-07 09:35 PM   #77 
  - Class  Romulox   Aug-18-07 09:47 PM   #79 
  - Thank you  bob_weaver   Aug-18-07 09:54 PM   #80 
  - No critiques of Israel allowed either.  Hardrada   Aug-19-07 12:55 AM   #81 
  - Yes, you are very right!  DutchLiberal   Aug-19-07 02:11 PM   #88 
  - Your best ever. Bookmarked!!  understandinglife   Aug-19-07 03:20 PM   #90 
  - Kickin' for TFC!  Melissa G   Aug-19-07 06:45 PM   #93 
  - You can talk about conditions in our prisons  Lilith Velkor   Aug-19-07 07:39 PM   #94 
  - We are all guilty of murder because we are paying these people...  L0oniX   Aug-19-07 08:01 PM   #95 
  - thank you, thank you- time for change  blondie58   Aug-21-07 08:15 AM   #96 
 

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