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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 12:58 PM
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168. Is there a point at which the mirror BECOMES a catalyst?

I think there is. And in my opinion, that point has already been reached.

When kids raised in poverty have as their biggest and most visible role models millionaire rappers who glorify guns and drugs - what do you think the result is?
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  -Hip Hop -- what am I missing? PurpleChez  Aug-16-07 04:49 PM   #0 
  - The only moguls I've met ...  TahitiNut   Aug-16-07 04:53 PM   #1 
  - Bwah-HAH!  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:02 PM   #7 
  - Sounds to me like you're not listening to the good stuff.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 04:55 PM   #2 
  - I know I'm not listening to the good stuff...  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:00 PM   #6 
     - The "rap" I hear blasting from people's cars seems mindless.  mwb970   Aug-17-07 07:02 AM   #153 
        - No, you're not. It's mindless, infantile garbage.  baby_mouse   Aug-18-07 05:20 PM   #251 
        - speaking of the beatles....  HuffleClaw   Aug-20-07 07:58 PM   #314 
           - With some very interesting things  Le Taz Hot   Aug-21-07 07:49 AM   #322 
  - Mainstream hip hop is crap.  WindRavenX   Aug-16-07 04:55 PM   #3 
  - What little Kayne West I've heard I actually did like, believe it or not  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:06 PM   #8 
  - who are "they" that you speak of?  WindRavenX   Aug-16-07 05:09 PM   #11 
  - God...this was so long ago. Jagged Little Pill was...what...1995?  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:14 PM   #14 
  - Kanye West was  zidzi   Aug-18-07 06:03 PM   #256 
  - Here  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 05:28 PM   #26 
  - That's not hip-hop. That's Sturgeon's Law.  sofa king   Aug-17-07 01:21 PM   #176 
  - Exactly. Just like mainstream rock, pop, etc.  ReverendDeuce   Aug-19-07 07:56 AM   #274 
  - Hmmm  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 04:58 PM   #4 
  - And that is cool.  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:06 PM   #9 
  - Umm.... all this stuff is nothing new.  David__77   Aug-16-07 04:58 PM   #5 
  - No, you're not going off on a whole other tangent...  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:11 PM   #13 
     - And yet, the funny thing is, I LOVE pop culture.  David__77   Aug-16-07 05:31 PM   #30 
        - I went in the other direction  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:46 PM   #40 
           - Ah, I understand.  David__77   Aug-16-07 05:58 PM   #55 
  - A general answer.  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 05:07 PM   #10 
  - Mad props for all of the suggestions....  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:16 PM   #16 
  - There is a phenomenon I call musical maturity.  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 05:24 PM   #24 
     - I hated R.E.M. when they first came out  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:33 PM   #32 
        - You will find that Athens has changed much since you last lived here...  mitchum   Aug-16-07 06:18 PM   #71 
        - Actually, I last lived there as recently as 2004  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 06:46 PM   #92 
        - why would the Hope Schoarlship make Athens overun with the nitwits you speak of?  Iris   Aug-17-07 03:11 PM   #199 
           - Please note that I said nothing of nitwits. That was the previous poster.  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 12:03 AM   #213 
              - Thanks...you saved me a lot of typing...  mitchum   Aug-18-07 06:28 AM   #238 
              - I'm not gonna complain about the lottery  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 07:48 AM   #241 
              - Doesn't sound that much different than pre-Hope days.  Iris   Aug-18-07 09:18 PM   #258 
        - That's funny. I liked em from the get-go and still like em. But I think Murmur and Reckoning are two  impeachdubya   Aug-17-07 12:39 PM   #166 
           - I love those records now.  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 12:06 AM   #214 
           - Well, shit, I'm a lifelong Deadhead.  impeachdubya   Aug-18-07 02:27 AM   #234 
              - Even more than the music I respect what they stand for...  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 07:55 AM   #242 
           - I'm one of those who really didn't care for them until they "sold out"...  mitchum   Aug-18-07 06:33 AM   #239 
              - Funny, a lot of people who were fellow fans with me in the early days thought Fables was the  impeachdubya   Aug-18-07 04:55 PM   #249 
                 - In their early days, they were a dominant presence for myself and others...  mitchum   Aug-18-07 05:38 PM   #253 
  - you're a spacemen 3 fan too?  tchunter   Aug-16-07 07:50 PM   #118 
     - I'm another Spacemen 3 fan  mitchum   Aug-16-07 08:38 PM   #125 
     - They are amazing.  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 11:31 PM   #141 
        - New band doing the Kevin Shields thang...  rucky   Aug-18-07 01:23 AM   #226 
  - So how old are ya, PurpleChez?  classof56   Aug-16-07 05:10 PM   #12 
  - Gotta agree with that.  Lex   Aug-16-07 05:18 PM   #19 
  - I am 41...old enough to be dismissed as an old fart today, but  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:21 PM   #21 
  - lol! Pro forma asking a bunch of white folks about good rap, showing a veneer of open-mindedness...  BlooInBloo   Aug-16-07 05:15 PM   #15 
  - pro forma sking?  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:23 PM   #23 
  - Damn, what a bull-shit answer...  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:42 PM   #38 
  - I spent a good part of this summer on this question  oldlady   Aug-16-07 05:16 PM   #17 
  - Peace to you  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:49 PM   #44 
  - Thanks for posting this! I'm definitely going to check out Qwel and the others you mentioned.  Iris   Aug-17-07 03:15 PM   #200 
  - I'm with you Purple.  edhopper   Aug-16-07 05:17 PM   #18 
  - Hmm.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 05:21 PM   #20 
  - Actually, I was amazed by mu students' (middle-school age)  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:29 PM   #27 
  - His music's still great.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 05:30 PM   #29 
     - Right on!  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:53 PM   #48 
  - hmph  Greyskye   Aug-16-07 05:53 PM   #47 
     - Musicians disagree that it isn't music.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 05:58 PM   #54 
     - disagreement  Greyskye   Aug-16-07 06:10 PM   #65 
        - If they don't think it's music, I don't consider them musicians.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 06:24 PM   #75 
        - bogus examples  Greyskye   Aug-16-07 06:56 PM   #99 
           - They would have if the technology had been available.  spindoctor   Aug-16-07 07:08 PM   #109 
           - Not to dis the Beatles, but I agree that George Martin was the unsung genius in the group  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 09:21 PM   #127 
           - sounds like the Republican arguments during Watergate  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 01:16 PM   #173 
              - sample-based hip-hop is in the tradition of the oldest western music  j995   Aug-19-07 08:27 AM   #281 
           - Actually, they didn't even give credit.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 07:28 PM   #112 
           - .  Greyskye   Aug-16-07 09:23 PM   #129 
              - Countless suits?  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-17-07 11:13 AM   #155 
              - countless suits  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 12:20 PM   #164 
              - Celtic Folk Band...now I'm down with that  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 12:13 AM   #215 
                 - Music Festivals rock!  Greyskye   Aug-19-07 12:04 AM   #263 
                    - One of my favorite music quotes  PurpleChez   Aug-19-07 08:01 AM   #275 
                       - I like the quote  Greyskye   Aug-19-07 04:57 PM   #298 
                       - additional suggestion :-)  Greyskye   Aug-19-07 10:17 PM   #300 
           - I agree with SOME of what you said, but I think you misunderstood Bornaginholligan's point  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 09:19 PM   #126 
              - you're right  Greyskye   Aug-16-07 09:46 PM   #134 
                 - I suppose contracts were written differently at the time,  PurpleChez   Aug-17-07 05:56 AM   #150 
        - My opinion as a musician...  spindoctor   Aug-16-07 06:43 PM   #91 
        - I know very few legitimate artists who would claim a sample is their own  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Aug-19-07 03:14 AM   #270 
     - Regarding your closing comment:  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 06:03 PM   #63 
        - heh  Greyskye   Aug-16-07 10:12 PM   #139 
        - But, ya see, that's part of what I'm talking about  PurpleChez   Aug-17-07 05:53 AM   #149 
           - OK, fine.  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 02:10 PM   #186 
              - Actually, in my OP, I was specifically NOT interested in talking about the music  PurpleChez   Aug-17-07 11:42 PM   #212 
        - I certainly am willing  Chovexani   Aug-17-07 11:24 AM   #160 
           - I'm gonna have to look up that Chris Rock  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 12:18 AM   #216 
  - Just like Clapton stole from Robert Johnson  Zensea   Aug-16-07 05:51 PM   #46 
  - My brother is a HUGE Zepplin fan, and he was so pissed  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 06:00 PM   #58 
  - There is no stealing in music  spindoctor   Aug-16-07 06:32 PM   #82 
  - Question  Greyskye   Aug-16-07 09:36 PM   #131 
     - Did you ever hear of the Isleworth Mona Lisa?  spindoctor   Aug-17-07 03:07 AM   #145 
        - silly example  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 11:05 AM   #154 
           - unethical?  spindoctor   Aug-18-07 04:32 AM   #235 
              - I think you misunderstand part of what I said  Greyskye   Aug-19-07 12:25 AM   #266 
                 - If they use a long sample it becomes a cover  spindoctor   Aug-19-07 07:26 AM   #273 
                    - don't think I agree with that definition  Greyskye   Aug-19-07 04:36 PM   #297 
  - How wrong can you be.  edhopper   Aug-16-07 06:34 PM   #83 
     - Why?  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 06:37 PM   #87 
     - They don't play the music.  edhopper   Aug-16-07 06:50 PM   #94 
        - P. Diddy's sampled portion of "the Police" was sung by a vocalist.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 07:22 PM   #110 
     - sez you  Zensea   Aug-16-07 06:54 PM   #98 
  - of course YOU don't see classic rap :)  j995   Aug-19-07 08:15 AM   #278 
  - You Need To Listen To The Good Stuff  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 05:21 PM   #22 
  - And  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 05:27 PM   #25 
  - Good one.  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 05:32 PM   #31 
  - More  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 05:36 PM   #35 
  - Old school! Don't believe the hype.  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 05:41 PM   #37 
  - Some Snoop  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 05:43 PM   #39 
  - Ultramagnetic MCs  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 05:48 PM   #43 
  - Welcome To The Terrordome  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 05:46 PM   #41 
  - White America  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 05:54 PM   #49 
  - More old stuff.  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 05:57 PM   #51 
     - More  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:00 PM   #57 
        - That was radical shit when it came out.  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 06:25 PM   #77 
           - HEY DJ  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 06:26 PM   #78 
              - Grandmaster Flash  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 06:35 PM   #85 
                 - Change of gears.  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 07:03 PM   #106 
                 - An Oscar Winner  Aya Reiko   Aug-18-07 12:58 AM   #222 
  - That Is Easily One Of The Five Best Rap Songs Of All Time  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 05:57 PM   #52 
  - That's the "good stuff"?  edhopper   Aug-16-07 05:46 PM   #42 
  - You're Not Down With Tupac  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 05:50 PM   #45 
     - Guess not.  edhopper   Aug-16-07 05:58 PM   #56 
        - There's Still Time  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:02 PM   #61 
           - Nah, it's pissing into the wind.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 06:03 PM   #62 
              - To Me It's Just Another Genre...  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:11 PM   #66 
              - To you and me, sure.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 06:12 PM   #67 
                 - I Am As Comfortable Listening To Johnny Cash's Greatest Hits As I Am Listening To Snoops...  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:34 PM   #84 
                    - Not just you at all.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 06:35 PM   #86 
              - I agree with most of the comments I've seen you make throughout this thread  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 09:31 PM   #130 
                 - If it's a simple matter of not liking it, that's fine.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-17-07 11:21 AM   #159 
                    - I looked back through the thread  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 12:31 AM   #218 
  - Hello! Scenario!  kwyjibo   Aug-17-07 11:21 AM   #158 
  - KRS One / Boogie Down Productions  rucky   Aug-18-07 01:27 AM   #228 
  - Hip hop is terrible. Lynyrd Skynyrd, however, rock the house (nm)  lynyrd_skynyrd   Aug-16-07 05:29 PM   #28 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Aug-16-07 05:33 PM   #33 
  - Gangsta rap music is the rage with kids around my age (20)  CRF450   Aug-16-07 05:36 PM   #34 
  - Rush Limbaugh and Rap have alot more in common than meets the eye...  Flabbergasted   Aug-16-07 05:40 PM   #36 
  - Plastic music for plastic people. Producers tell rap, country and rock persons what to play and how  mrcheerful   Aug-16-07 05:57 PM   #50 
  - There is a strong correlation between MTV and the image is everything mentality.  Flabbergasted   Aug-16-07 06:02 PM   #59 
  - Hmm.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 06:02 PM   #60 
  - It Wasn't R Kelly  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:14 PM   #68 
  - Sophocles told me he's gonna put a cap in your ass  mitchum   Aug-16-07 06:20 PM   #72 
  - Rap Is A Mirror Of Society Not A Catalyst  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:16 PM   #70 
     - Rap mirrors capitalism more than society. nt  Flabbergasted   Aug-16-07 06:53 PM   # 
     - Is there a point at which the mirror BECOMES a catalyst?  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 12:58 PM   #168 
        - They turn to witchcraft.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-17-07 01:18 PM   #174 
           - My 9 year old is a thug?  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 01:26 PM   #179 
              - I'm saying the idea that rap causes violence...  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-17-07 02:09 PM   #185 
                 - ok  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 02:18 PM   #188 
                    - No.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-17-07 02:19 PM   #189 
                       - we'll have to disagree on that then  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 02:26 PM   #190 
                       - Sure.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-17-07 02:27 PM   #191 
                          - sigh  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 02:32 PM   #193 
                             - It ain't a bogus comparison.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-17-07 02:35 PM   #194 
                                - that's exactly what it is.  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 02:47 PM   #195 
                                - Talk about bogus.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-17-07 02:49 PM   #196 
                                   - .  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 03:03 PM   #198 
                                - Google "Albert Bandura". Any general psych student will remember  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 12:45 AM   #219 
                                   - Let's not go there m'kay?  Karenina   Aug-18-07 05:19 PM   #250 
                                      - I'd rather go there than debate whether or not rap is music...  PurpleChez   Aug-19-07 08:05 AM   #277 
                                         - I didn't read you as critiquing rap, per se.  Karenina   Aug-19-07 06:10 PM   #299 
                                            - I know you didn't! You were not misunderstood!  PurpleChez   Aug-20-07 05:18 AM   #303 
                       - do you agree that music can be a positive influence?  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 02:51 PM   #197 
                          - The same reason I don't think books cause Satan worship.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-17-07 03:36 PM   #201 
                             - then you DON'T believe that music can be a positive influence  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 03:55 PM   #204 
                             - You feel sad for me?  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-17-07 03:57 PM   #205 
                                - only a little lol  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 04:01 PM   #206 
                                   - Dish it out but can't take it?  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-17-07 04:04 PM   #207 
                                      - Post #201  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 04:29 PM   #208 
                             - No...but perhaps The Satanic Bible does....  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 12:52 AM   #220 
  - Exactly..  sendero   Aug-18-07 08:39 AM   #245 
  - Nothing - pop music has always been crap. Check the charts.  spindoctor   Aug-16-07 05:58 PM   #53 
  - "The target audience for hard core gangsta rappers are middle classed suburban white boys"  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 06:15 PM   #69 
     - I Think You're Making Too Much Of The Phenomenon  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:23 PM   #73 
        - You're absolutely right. To me, it's not so much  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 06:58 PM   #102 
        - I disagree  spindoctor   Aug-16-07 07:00 PM   #104 
           - I've never heard anyone else say that before:  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 12:57 AM   #221 
  - Tell Me This Isn't The Shit  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:04 PM   #64 
  - As I said  edhopper   Aug-16-07 06:23 PM   #74 
  - How About This?  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:26 PM   #79 
     - I think you're wasting your time.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 06:28 PM   #80 
     - I'll explain this carefully,  edhopper   Aug-16-07 06:41 PM   #90 
        - I Got It  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:47 PM   #93 
        - Let me explain this carefully.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 07:29 PM   #113 
        - I guess since you are  edhopper   Aug-16-07 08:04 PM   #119 
           - It's not really a matter of opinion.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 08:09 PM   #120 
        - How exactly do you define "music"?  mondo joe   Aug-16-07 07:32 PM   #115 
           - That's really the question it comes down to.  Sparkly   Aug-16-07 09:46 PM   #135 
              - It's funny, because edhopper writes:  mondo joe   Aug-16-07 09:50 PM   #136 
                 - Yes...  Sparkly   Aug-16-07 09:56 PM   #137 
                 - I agree with you whole-heartedly that rap is music  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 01:07 AM   #223 
                 - I see it more  edhopper   Aug-18-07 11:24 AM   #247 
     - That was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-18-07 05:27 PM   #252 
  - not the shit  Greyskye   Aug-16-07 06:38 PM   #88 
  - What fantastic music is out there?  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:40 PM   #89 
  - agreed that taste is subjective  Greyskye   Aug-16-07 07:08 PM   #108 
  - Here's something fantastic  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 01:28 AM   #144 
  - I gotta be honest, it's getting worse  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Aug-19-07 03:30 AM   #271 
  - I agree.  Perragrande   Aug-16-07 08:36 PM   #124 
  - While we're on the subject....  MrBadExample   Aug-16-07 07:02 PM   #105 
     - That's great!  Telly Savalas   Aug-16-07 09:38 PM   #132 
  - The Roots, Mos Def...  Canadiana   Aug-16-07 06:24 PM   #76 
  - You Should See This Movie  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:29 PM   #81 
  - It's Just Noise. No One Will Ever Be Able to Convince Me It's Music.  Toasterlad   Aug-16-07 06:50 PM   #95 
  - For You My Friend  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:53 PM   #96 
     - Thank You! I LOVE Louie!  Toasterlad   Aug-16-07 06:58 PM   #101 
        - What A Beautiful Man And Song  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:59 PM   #103 
  - These days you aren't missing anything.  MrSlayer   Aug-16-07 06:53 PM   #97 
  - Believe me, there's still excellent stuff even nowadays, just not on TV.  Starbucks Anarchist   Aug-18-07 11:36 PM   #262 
  - materialistic, formulaic, programatic, monotonous, conformist "culture"  yella_dawg   Aug-16-07 06:57 PM   #100 
  - As far as I can see, there are two primary kinds of hip-hop/rap music --  Katherine Brengle   Aug-16-07 07:06 PM   #107 
  - Hip Hop is just a genre. There's good and bad in it.  mondo joe   Aug-16-07 07:24 PM   #111 
  - "Elvis was a hero to most ...  Zensea   Aug-16-07 07:31 PM   #114 
  - I Love Chuck D But He Has Since Modified His Comments  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 07:48 PM   #117 
     - I know Chuck D is very nuanced in his thinking  Zensea   Aug-16-07 08:11 PM   #121 
        - I Don't Know If It's Latent Racism... I Think It's Latent Conservatism  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 08:13 PM   #122 
           - I think a lot of criticism of rap could fairly be called conservative  Enrique   Aug-19-07 08:49 AM   #288 
  - There is something about hip hop that is subjective.  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 07:33 PM   #116 
  - It's great for pushing consumerism, but pretty wretched otherwise...  mitchum   Aug-16-07 08:34 PM   #123 
  - I often hear rap and top-40 country grouped together  DemGa   Aug-16-07 09:23 PM   #128 
  - Abso-fucking-lutely!  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 01:17 AM   #224 
  - I'm a "classical" type, but I like some of it.  Sparkly   Aug-16-07 09:43 PM   #133 
  - There is good and bad in everything  BoneDaddy   Aug-16-07 10:06 PM   #138 
  - PurpleChez...  Greyskye   Aug-16-07 10:54 PM   #140 
  - I think you might like Charlie Hunter. See this---  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 11:48 PM   #142 
  - that seriously rocked!  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 12:31 AM   #143 
  - Oh my!!! Bela Fleck and the Flecktones!! Charlie Hunter Trio!!!  Karenina   Aug-17-07 06:44 AM   #151 
     - His comment is my profile.  Gregorian   Aug-17-07 11:39 AM   #162 
     - yes, but it's not attributed!  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 01:00 PM   #169 
     - Thanks.  Gregorian   Aug-17-07 01:16 PM   #171 
     - His cover of "There's a hole in the Bucket"  Karenina   Aug-17-07 01:12 PM   #170 
     - Michael Franti and Spearhead!  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 12:33 PM   #165 
  - I love Bela Fleck...I'll check out the link in the morning  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 01:18 AM   #225 
  - you're confusing disposable pop culture Hip Hop for the entirety of the phenomenon  NuttyFluffers   Aug-17-07 03:14 AM   #146 
  - Thanks for well-thought out response  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 01:25 AM   #227 
  - as i addressed, it is a deliberate fashioning of identity from atop  NuttyFluffers   Aug-20-07 09:40 PM   #317 
  - Bravo  GirlinContempt   Aug-19-07 12:19 AM   #264 
  - I can't stand it. I just find it amazingly irritating. NT  baby_mouse   Aug-17-07 03:18 AM   #147 
  - Rule #1: 50 Cent is not hip hop, he is an overhyped idiot who can't even fucking RAP.  Zhade   Aug-17-07 05:19 AM   #148 
  - You DID say, It's not about the music...  Karenina   Aug-17-07 07:00 AM   #152 
  - That stood out to me, as well.  Chovexani   Aug-17-07 11:49 AM   #163 
     - Your "traitor" comment reminds me  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 01:32 AM   #229 
     - It's that "branding" thing again.  Karenina   Aug-18-07 06:04 AM   #237 
  - What are you missing? Nothing really.  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-17-07 11:19 AM   #156 
  - some good music. nt.  IndianaJones   Aug-17-07 11:20 AM   #157 
  - Please try Aceyalone - amazing and poignant lyrics (not about gangstas and hos) and kickass beats:  kwyjibo   Aug-17-07 11:28 AM   #161 
  - pretty good!  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 12:49 PM   #167 
  - A little test for hip-hop haters.  sofa king   Aug-17-07 01:16 PM   #172 
  - Give me audio versions of the two, and I'll compare them.  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 01:20 PM   #175 
  - Oh... jeez.  sofa king   Aug-17-07 01:22 PM   #177 
     - ?  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 01:32 PM   #182 
  - ...  Chovexani   Aug-17-07 01:23 PM   #178 
  - completely agree  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 02:01 PM   #183 
  - I think you are misunderstanding me.  sofa king   Aug-17-07 02:02 PM   #184 
  - That jumped out at me too...  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-17-07 02:13 PM   #187 
  - HEAR! HEAR! You rokk!  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 01:41 AM   #232 
  - I don't like either one; that doesn't mean I hate African-American culture.  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-17-07 01:31 PM   #181 
  - Inseperable? I hardly think so.  Karenina   Aug-17-07 06:36 PM   #211 
  - Loved the quotation of G Brooks  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 01:37 AM   #231 
  - it's not music  leftofthedial   Aug-17-07 01:29 PM   #180 
  - Excuse?  GirlinContempt   Aug-19-07 12:23 AM   #265 
     - and don't EVEN get me started on folk music!  leftofthedial   Aug-19-07 01:58 AM   #268 
  - i'm white and married to a jamaican  laruemtt   Aug-17-07 02:28 PM   #192 
  - Rap/Hip-hop  Poppa   Aug-17-07 03:46 PM   #202 
  - Check out Buck 65 and Sage Francis...two excellent, thought-provoking rappers.  Elrond Hubbard   Aug-17-07 03:51 PM   #203 
  - I find it interesting as a cultural phenomenon  tofurkey   Aug-17-07 05:13 PM   #209 
  - Here's some examples of Buck 65 and Sage Francis...  Elrond Hubbard   Aug-17-07 06:23 PM   #210 
  - Some like to make the point that what's popular and most famous  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 01:46 AM   #233 
     - are you saying you're seeing great commercial stuff on MTV that's NOT rap?  bettyellen   Aug-18-07 08:28 AM   #244 
        - Did I SAY that I was seeing great stuff elsewhere on MTV? No way, Jose.  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 05:43 PM   #254 
           - your OP says "what am i missing" and you criticise people for being "defensive"  bettyellen   Aug-18-07 06:24 PM   #257 
              - I'm NOT surprised that people are answering, and  PurpleChez   Aug-19-07 08:21 AM   #279 
                 - pointing out that other music has sex and violence is pointing out you are picking on rap  bettyellen   Aug-19-07 04:19 PM   #296 
                    - First off...I'd meant to say "I'm NOT saying" that you'd said whatever...  PurpleChez   Aug-20-07 05:47 AM   #304 
                       - actually the fact that you went out of your way to critique a genre you know little about is telling  bettyellen   Aug-20-07 07:29 PM   #312 
                          - Read the original post  PurpleChez   Aug-20-07 09:01 PM   #316 
                             - people were called haters for putting down music they don;lt know much about  bettyellen   Aug-21-07 07:47 AM   #320 
  - Yay for the local guys  Posteritatis   Aug-18-07 01:33 AM   #230 
  - Remember that rap song the Bears did back in the Eighties?  porphyrian   Aug-18-07 12:20 AM   #217 
  - Well... you are not missing  Karenina   Aug-18-07 05:52 AM   #236 
  - Hip-hop is why songs are so crappy today. Today, a "good tune" is one with more than one note.  Perry Logan   Aug-18-07 06:37 AM   #240 
  - If You Don't Like Don't Listen To It  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-18-07 08:20 AM   #243 
  - OK. But that wasn't the point  PurpleChez   Aug-19-07 08:27 AM   #280 
     - Maybe This Was  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-19-07 09:54 AM   #290 
        - I'll probably never be able to check out all of the music suggestions that have  PurpleChez   Aug-20-07 05:53 AM   #305 
  - I have 2 answers.  LWolf   Aug-18-07 09:43 AM   #246 
  - Right. I don't think I'll ever like most of the music  PurpleChez   Aug-19-07 08:34 AM   #283 
     - Exactly. n/t  LWolf   Aug-19-07 04:17 PM   #295 
  - DON'T MISS THIS!!!  Karenina   Aug-18-07 04:52 PM   #248 
  - Please, Oh Please tell me that you're not trying to equate  PurpleChez   Aug-20-07 04:16 PM   #309 
     - Oh dear NO!!!!  Karenina   Aug-21-07 04:29 PM   #324 
        - SO GLAD!!!!  PurpleChez   Aug-21-07 04:51 PM   #325 
  - I'm also 41PurpleChez and I have to say I have a similar attitude as you  Oregonian   Aug-18-07 05:47 PM   #255 
  - Here's hip hop. The roots. Check it out.  Gregorian   Aug-18-07 10:41 PM   #259 
  - Okay (+ link to anti-Bush rap song):  Starbucks Anarchist   Aug-18-07 11:02 PM   #260 
  - My thoughts on a 30 minute Hip Hop TV show  Greyskye   Aug-18-07 11:33 PM   #261 
  - Greek hip hop? It's ethnic not Athenic!  spindoctor   Aug-19-07 07:11 AM   #272 
  - LOL  Greyskye   Aug-19-07 03:32 PM   #293 
  - this post gets a 9.5 :)  j995   Aug-19-07 08:40 AM   #285 
     - I was wondering about that too  GirlinContempt   Aug-19-07 10:02 AM   #291 
     - Thank you!  Greyskye   Aug-19-07 03:42 PM   #294 
  - Self-congratulatory ignorance drives me mental.  GirlinContempt   Aug-19-07 12:32 AM   #267 
  - I appreciate your comments  PurpleChez   Aug-19-07 08:40 AM   #284 
     - There is a big difference.  GirlinContempt   Aug-19-07 09:49 AM   #289 
        - Exactly!  PurpleChez   Aug-20-07 05:54 AM   #306 
           - Electronic Body Music  GirlinContempt   Aug-20-07 08:20 AM   #307 
  - Bleh, 50 Cent and Kanye aren't even good hip-hop  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Aug-19-07 03:01 AM   #269 
  - It's not that I'm "worried" about them being called moguls  PurpleChez   Aug-19-07 08:42 AM   #286 
  - I'm no hip-hop evangelist. but..  j995   Aug-19-07 08:05 AM   #276 
  - The "blood feud" thing wasn't supposed to refer specifically to  PurpleChez   Aug-19-07 08:48 AM   #287 
  - you're only missing a little  Enrique   Aug-19-07 08:31 AM   #282 
  - I left my wallet in El Segundo.  Gregorian   Aug-19-07 11:27 AM   #292 
  - Disagree, but this is culture.  Gregorian   Aug-20-07 12:25 AM   #301 
  - Jay-Z is a mogul.  Scout1071   Aug-20-07 12:34 AM   #302 
  - My point was that the term "mogul" isn't used outside of hip hop  PurpleChez   Aug-20-07 04:11 PM   #308 
     - well then! it MUST be a bad thing then, right?  bettyellen   Aug-20-07 07:32 PM   #313 
     - Did I say it was a bad thing? No...I did not.  PurpleChez   Aug-20-07 08:17 PM   #315 
        - the whole music industry uses the term- but you notice only- and put down blacks for it.  bettyellen   Aug-21-07 07:43 AM   #319 
     - Actually, it's been used within the entire "pop" music industry  LostinVA   Aug-20-07 09:43 PM   #318 
        - but it's only silly when black people do it!  bettyellen   Aug-21-07 07:48 AM   #321 
           - Those silly black people with those made-up words  LostinVA   Aug-21-07 10:43 AM   #323 
  - Eh...I'll take it or leave it...burned out on "new" stuff  ileus   Aug-20-07 04:28 PM   #310 
  - I say... You cant spell cRAP without RAP. n/t  JesterCS   Aug-20-07 07:02 PM   #311 
 

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