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Zensea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 07:31 PM
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114. "Elvis was a hero to most ...
but he never meant s--t to me."
Seems like this thread is the appropriate place to quote Chuck D of Public Enemy especially considering all the hype about Elvis the past couple of days. :evilgrin:
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  -Hip Hop -- what am I missing? PurpleChez  Aug-16-07 04:49 PM   #0 
  - The only moguls I've met ...  TahitiNut   Aug-16-07 04:53 PM   #1 
  - Bwah-HAH!  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:02 PM   #7 
  - Sounds to me like you're not listening to the good stuff.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 04:55 PM   #2 
  - I know I'm not listening to the good stuff...  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:00 PM   #6 
     - The "rap" I hear blasting from people's cars seems mindless.  mwb970   Aug-17-07 07:02 AM   #153 
        - No, you're not. It's mindless, infantile garbage.  baby_mouse   Aug-18-07 05:20 PM   #251 
        - speaking of the beatles....  HuffleClaw   Aug-20-07 07:58 PM   #314 
           - With some very interesting things  Le Taz Hot   Aug-21-07 07:49 AM   #322 
  - Mainstream hip hop is crap.  WindRavenX   Aug-16-07 04:55 PM   #3 
  - What little Kayne West I've heard I actually did like, believe it or not  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:06 PM   #8 
  - who are "they" that you speak of?  WindRavenX   Aug-16-07 05:09 PM   #11 
  - God...this was so long ago. Jagged Little Pill was...what...1995?  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:14 PM   #14 
  - Kanye West was  zidzi   Aug-18-07 06:03 PM   #256 
  - Here  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 05:28 PM   #26 
  - That's not hip-hop. That's Sturgeon's Law.  sofa king   Aug-17-07 01:21 PM   #176 
  - Exactly. Just like mainstream rock, pop, etc.  ReverendDeuce   Aug-19-07 07:56 AM   #274 
  - Hmmm  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 04:58 PM   #4 
  - And that is cool.  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:06 PM   #9 
  - Umm.... all this stuff is nothing new.  David__77   Aug-16-07 04:58 PM   #5 
  - No, you're not going off on a whole other tangent...  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:11 PM   #13 
     - And yet, the funny thing is, I LOVE pop culture.  David__77   Aug-16-07 05:31 PM   #30 
        - I went in the other direction  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:46 PM   #40 
           - Ah, I understand.  David__77   Aug-16-07 05:58 PM   #55 
  - A general answer.  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 05:07 PM   #10 
  - Mad props for all of the suggestions....  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:16 PM   #16 
  - There is a phenomenon I call musical maturity.  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 05:24 PM   #24 
     - I hated R.E.M. when they first came out  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:33 PM   #32 
        - You will find that Athens has changed much since you last lived here...  mitchum   Aug-16-07 06:18 PM   #71 
        - Actually, I last lived there as recently as 2004  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 06:46 PM   #92 
        - why would the Hope Schoarlship make Athens overun with the nitwits you speak of?  Iris   Aug-17-07 03:11 PM   #199 
           - Please note that I said nothing of nitwits. That was the previous poster.  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 12:03 AM   #213 
              - Thanks...you saved me a lot of typing...  mitchum   Aug-18-07 06:28 AM   #238 
              - I'm not gonna complain about the lottery  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 07:48 AM   #241 
              - Doesn't sound that much different than pre-Hope days.  Iris   Aug-18-07 09:18 PM   #258 
        - That's funny. I liked em from the get-go and still like em. But I think Murmur and Reckoning are two  impeachdubya   Aug-17-07 12:39 PM   #166 
           - I love those records now.  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 12:06 AM   #214 
           - Well, shit, I'm a lifelong Deadhead.  impeachdubya   Aug-18-07 02:27 AM   #234 
              - Even more than the music I respect what they stand for...  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 07:55 AM   #242 
           - I'm one of those who really didn't care for them until they "sold out"...  mitchum   Aug-18-07 06:33 AM   #239 
              - Funny, a lot of people who were fellow fans with me in the early days thought Fables was the  impeachdubya   Aug-18-07 04:55 PM   #249 
                 - In their early days, they were a dominant presence for myself and others...  mitchum   Aug-18-07 05:38 PM   #253 
  - you're a spacemen 3 fan too?  tchunter   Aug-16-07 07:50 PM   #118 
     - I'm another Spacemen 3 fan  mitchum   Aug-16-07 08:38 PM   #125 
     - They are amazing.  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 11:31 PM   #141 
        - New band doing the Kevin Shields thang...  rucky   Aug-18-07 01:23 AM   #226 
  - So how old are ya, PurpleChez?  classof56   Aug-16-07 05:10 PM   #12 
  - Gotta agree with that.  Lex   Aug-16-07 05:18 PM   #19 
  - I am 41...old enough to be dismissed as an old fart today, but  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:21 PM   #21 
  - lol! Pro forma asking a bunch of white folks about good rap, showing a veneer of open-mindedness...  BlooInBloo   Aug-16-07 05:15 PM   #15 
  - pro forma sking?  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:23 PM   #23 
  - Damn, what a bull-shit answer...  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:42 PM   #38 
  - I spent a good part of this summer on this question  oldlady   Aug-16-07 05:16 PM   #17 
  - Peace to you  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:49 PM   #44 
  - Thanks for posting this! I'm definitely going to check out Qwel and the others you mentioned.  Iris   Aug-17-07 03:15 PM   #200 
  - I'm with you Purple.  edhopper   Aug-16-07 05:17 PM   #18 
  - Hmm.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 05:21 PM   #20 
  - Actually, I was amazed by mu students' (middle-school age)  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:29 PM   #27 
  - His music's still great.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 05:30 PM   #29 
     - Right on!  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 05:53 PM   #48 
  - hmph  Greyskye   Aug-16-07 05:53 PM   #47 
     - Musicians disagree that it isn't music.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 05:58 PM   #54 
     - disagreement  Greyskye   Aug-16-07 06:10 PM   #65 
        - If they don't think it's music, I don't consider them musicians.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 06:24 PM   #75 
        - bogus examples  Greyskye   Aug-16-07 06:56 PM   #99 
           - They would have if the technology had been available.  spindoctor   Aug-16-07 07:08 PM   #109 
           - Not to dis the Beatles, but I agree that George Martin was the unsung genius in the group  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 09:21 PM   #127 
           - sounds like the Republican arguments during Watergate  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 01:16 PM   #173 
              - sample-based hip-hop is in the tradition of the oldest western music  j995   Aug-19-07 08:27 AM   #281 
           - Actually, they didn't even give credit.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 07:28 PM   #112 
           - .  Greyskye   Aug-16-07 09:23 PM   #129 
              - Countless suits?  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-17-07 11:13 AM   #155 
              - countless suits  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 12:20 PM   #164 
              - Celtic Folk Band...now I'm down with that  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 12:13 AM   #215 
                 - Music Festivals rock!  Greyskye   Aug-19-07 12:04 AM   #263 
                    - One of my favorite music quotes  PurpleChez   Aug-19-07 08:01 AM   #275 
                       - I like the quote  Greyskye   Aug-19-07 04:57 PM   #298 
                       - additional suggestion :-)  Greyskye   Aug-19-07 10:17 PM   #300 
           - I agree with SOME of what you said, but I think you misunderstood Bornaginholligan's point  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 09:19 PM   #126 
              - you're right  Greyskye   Aug-16-07 09:46 PM   #134 
                 - I suppose contracts were written differently at the time,  PurpleChez   Aug-17-07 05:56 AM   #150 
        - My opinion as a musician...  spindoctor   Aug-16-07 06:43 PM   #91 
        - I know very few legitimate artists who would claim a sample is their own  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Aug-19-07 03:14 AM   #270 
     - Regarding your closing comment:  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 06:03 PM   #63 
        - heh  Greyskye   Aug-16-07 10:12 PM   #139 
        - But, ya see, that's part of what I'm talking about  PurpleChez   Aug-17-07 05:53 AM   #149 
           - OK, fine.  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 02:10 PM   #186 
              - Actually, in my OP, I was specifically NOT interested in talking about the music  PurpleChez   Aug-17-07 11:42 PM   #212 
        - I certainly am willing  Chovexani   Aug-17-07 11:24 AM   #160 
           - I'm gonna have to look up that Chris Rock  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 12:18 AM   #216 
  - Just like Clapton stole from Robert Johnson  Zensea   Aug-16-07 05:51 PM   #46 
  - My brother is a HUGE Zepplin fan, and he was so pissed  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 06:00 PM   #58 
  - There is no stealing in music  spindoctor   Aug-16-07 06:32 PM   #82 
  - Question  Greyskye   Aug-16-07 09:36 PM   #131 
     - Did you ever hear of the Isleworth Mona Lisa?  spindoctor   Aug-17-07 03:07 AM   #145 
        - silly example  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 11:05 AM   #154 
           - unethical?  spindoctor   Aug-18-07 04:32 AM   #235 
              - I think you misunderstand part of what I said  Greyskye   Aug-19-07 12:25 AM   #266 
                 - If they use a long sample it becomes a cover  spindoctor   Aug-19-07 07:26 AM   #273 
                    - don't think I agree with that definition  Greyskye   Aug-19-07 04:36 PM   #297 
  - How wrong can you be.  edhopper   Aug-16-07 06:34 PM   #83 
     - Why?  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 06:37 PM   #87 
     - They don't play the music.  edhopper   Aug-16-07 06:50 PM   #94 
        - P. Diddy's sampled portion of "the Police" was sung by a vocalist.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 07:22 PM   #110 
     - sez you  Zensea   Aug-16-07 06:54 PM   #98 
  - of course YOU don't see classic rap :)  j995   Aug-19-07 08:15 AM   #278 
  - You Need To Listen To The Good Stuff  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 05:21 PM   #22 
  - And  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 05:27 PM   #25 
  - Good one.  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 05:32 PM   #31 
  - More  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 05:36 PM   #35 
  - Old school! Don't believe the hype.  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 05:41 PM   #37 
  - Some Snoop  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 05:43 PM   #39 
  - Ultramagnetic MCs  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 05:48 PM   #43 
  - Welcome To The Terrordome  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 05:46 PM   #41 
  - White America  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 05:54 PM   #49 
  - More old stuff.  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 05:57 PM   #51 
     - More  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:00 PM   #57 
        - That was radical shit when it came out.  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 06:25 PM   #77 
           - HEY DJ  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 06:26 PM   #78 
              - Grandmaster Flash  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 06:35 PM   #85 
                 - Change of gears.  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 07:03 PM   #106 
                 - An Oscar Winner  Aya Reiko   Aug-18-07 12:58 AM   #222 
  - That Is Easily One Of The Five Best Rap Songs Of All Time  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 05:57 PM   #52 
  - That's the "good stuff"?  edhopper   Aug-16-07 05:46 PM   #42 
  - You're Not Down With Tupac  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 05:50 PM   #45 
     - Guess not.  edhopper   Aug-16-07 05:58 PM   #56 
        - There's Still Time  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:02 PM   #61 
           - Nah, it's pissing into the wind.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 06:03 PM   #62 
              - To Me It's Just Another Genre...  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:11 PM   #66 
              - To you and me, sure.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 06:12 PM   #67 
                 - I Am As Comfortable Listening To Johnny Cash's Greatest Hits As I Am Listening To Snoops...  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:34 PM   #84 
                    - Not just you at all.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 06:35 PM   #86 
              - I agree with most of the comments I've seen you make throughout this thread  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 09:31 PM   #130 
                 - If it's a simple matter of not liking it, that's fine.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-17-07 11:21 AM   #159 
                    - I looked back through the thread  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 12:31 AM   #218 
  - Hello! Scenario!  kwyjibo   Aug-17-07 11:21 AM   #158 
  - KRS One / Boogie Down Productions  rucky   Aug-18-07 01:27 AM   #228 
  - Hip hop is terrible. Lynyrd Skynyrd, however, rock the house (nm)  lynyrd_skynyrd   Aug-16-07 05:29 PM   #28 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Aug-16-07 05:33 PM   #33 
  - Gangsta rap music is the rage with kids around my age (20)  CRF450   Aug-16-07 05:36 PM   #34 
  - Rush Limbaugh and Rap have alot more in common than meets the eye...  Flabbergasted   Aug-16-07 05:40 PM   #36 
  - Plastic music for plastic people. Producers tell rap, country and rock persons what to play and how  mrcheerful   Aug-16-07 05:57 PM   #50 
  - There is a strong correlation between MTV and the image is everything mentality.  Flabbergasted   Aug-16-07 06:02 PM   #59 
  - Hmm.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 06:02 PM   #60 
  - It Wasn't R Kelly  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:14 PM   #68 
  - Sophocles told me he's gonna put a cap in your ass  mitchum   Aug-16-07 06:20 PM   #72 
  - Rap Is A Mirror Of Society Not A Catalyst  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:16 PM   #70 
     - Rap mirrors capitalism more than society. nt  Flabbergasted   Aug-16-07 06:53 PM   # 
     - Is there a point at which the mirror BECOMES a catalyst?  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 12:58 PM   #168 
        - They turn to witchcraft.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-17-07 01:18 PM   #174 
           - My 9 year old is a thug?  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 01:26 PM   #179 
              - I'm saying the idea that rap causes violence...  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-17-07 02:09 PM   #185 
                 - ok  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 02:18 PM   #188 
                    - No.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-17-07 02:19 PM   #189 
                       - we'll have to disagree on that then  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 02:26 PM   #190 
                       - Sure.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-17-07 02:27 PM   #191 
                          - sigh  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 02:32 PM   #193 
                             - It ain't a bogus comparison.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-17-07 02:35 PM   #194 
                                - that's exactly what it is.  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 02:47 PM   #195 
                                - Talk about bogus.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-17-07 02:49 PM   #196 
                                   - .  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 03:03 PM   #198 
                                - Google "Albert Bandura". Any general psych student will remember  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 12:45 AM   #219 
                                   - Let's not go there m'kay?  Karenina   Aug-18-07 05:19 PM   #250 
                                      - I'd rather go there than debate whether or not rap is music...  PurpleChez   Aug-19-07 08:05 AM   #277 
                                         - I didn't read you as critiquing rap, per se.  Karenina   Aug-19-07 06:10 PM   #299 
                                            - I know you didn't! You were not misunderstood!  PurpleChez   Aug-20-07 05:18 AM   #303 
                       - do you agree that music can be a positive influence?  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 02:51 PM   #197 
                          - The same reason I don't think books cause Satan worship.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-17-07 03:36 PM   #201 
                             - then you DON'T believe that music can be a positive influence  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 03:55 PM   #204 
                             - You feel sad for me?  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-17-07 03:57 PM   #205 
                                - only a little lol  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 04:01 PM   #206 
                                   - Dish it out but can't take it?  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-17-07 04:04 PM   #207 
                                      - Post #201  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 04:29 PM   #208 
                             - No...but perhaps The Satanic Bible does....  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 12:52 AM   #220 
  - Exactly..  sendero   Aug-18-07 08:39 AM   #245 
  - Nothing - pop music has always been crap. Check the charts.  spindoctor   Aug-16-07 05:58 PM   #53 
  - "The target audience for hard core gangsta rappers are middle classed suburban white boys"  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 06:15 PM   #69 
     - I Think You're Making Too Much Of The Phenomenon  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:23 PM   #73 
        - You're absolutely right. To me, it's not so much  PurpleChez   Aug-16-07 06:58 PM   #102 
        - I disagree  spindoctor   Aug-16-07 07:00 PM   #104 
           - I've never heard anyone else say that before:  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 12:57 AM   #221 
  - Tell Me This Isn't The Shit  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:04 PM   #64 
  - As I said  edhopper   Aug-16-07 06:23 PM   #74 
  - How About This?  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:26 PM   #79 
     - I think you're wasting your time.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 06:28 PM   #80 
     - I'll explain this carefully,  edhopper   Aug-16-07 06:41 PM   #90 
        - I Got It  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:47 PM   #93 
        - Let me explain this carefully.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 07:29 PM   #113 
        - I guess since you are  edhopper   Aug-16-07 08:04 PM   #119 
           - It's not really a matter of opinion.  Bornaginhooligan   Aug-16-07 08:09 PM   #120 
        - How exactly do you define "music"?  mondo joe   Aug-16-07 07:32 PM   #115 
           - That's really the question it comes down to.  Sparkly   Aug-16-07 09:46 PM   #135 
              - It's funny, because edhopper writes:  mondo joe   Aug-16-07 09:50 PM   #136 
                 - Yes...  Sparkly   Aug-16-07 09:56 PM   #137 
                 - I agree with you whole-heartedly that rap is music  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 01:07 AM   #223 
                 - I see it more  edhopper   Aug-18-07 11:24 AM   #247 
     - That was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-18-07 05:27 PM   #252 
  - not the shit  Greyskye   Aug-16-07 06:38 PM   #88 
  - What fantastic music is out there?  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:40 PM   #89 
  - agreed that taste is subjective  Greyskye   Aug-16-07 07:08 PM   #108 
  - Here's something fantastic  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 01:28 AM   #144 
  - I gotta be honest, it's getting worse  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Aug-19-07 03:30 AM   #271 
  - I agree.  Perragrande   Aug-16-07 08:36 PM   #124 
  - While we're on the subject....  MrBadExample   Aug-16-07 07:02 PM   #105 
     - That's great!  Telly Savalas   Aug-16-07 09:38 PM   #132 
  - The Roots, Mos Def...  Canadiana   Aug-16-07 06:24 PM   #76 
  - You Should See This Movie  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:29 PM   #81 
  - It's Just Noise. No One Will Ever Be Able to Convince Me It's Music.  Toasterlad   Aug-16-07 06:50 PM   #95 
  - For You My Friend  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:53 PM   #96 
     - Thank You! I LOVE Louie!  Toasterlad   Aug-16-07 06:58 PM   #101 
        - What A Beautiful Man And Song  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 06:59 PM   #103 
  - These days you aren't missing anything.  MrSlayer   Aug-16-07 06:53 PM   #97 
  - Believe me, there's still excellent stuff even nowadays, just not on TV.  Starbucks Anarchist   Aug-18-07 11:36 PM   #262 
  - materialistic, formulaic, programatic, monotonous, conformist "culture"  yella_dawg   Aug-16-07 06:57 PM   #100 
  - As far as I can see, there are two primary kinds of hip-hop/rap music --  Katherine Brengle   Aug-16-07 07:06 PM   #107 
  - Hip Hop is just a genre. There's good and bad in it.  mondo joe   Aug-16-07 07:24 PM   #111 
  - "Elvis was a hero to most ...  Zensea   Aug-16-07 07:31 PM   #114 
  - I Love Chuck D But He Has Since Modified His Comments  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 07:48 PM   #117 
     - I know Chuck D is very nuanced in his thinking  Zensea   Aug-16-07 08:11 PM   #121 
        - I Don't Know If It's Latent Racism... I Think It's Latent Conservatism  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-16-07 08:13 PM   #122 
           - I think a lot of criticism of rap could fairly be called conservative  Enrique   Aug-19-07 08:49 AM   #288 
  - There is something about hip hop that is subjective.  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 07:33 PM   #116 
  - It's great for pushing consumerism, but pretty wretched otherwise...  mitchum   Aug-16-07 08:34 PM   #123 
  - I often hear rap and top-40 country grouped together  DemGa   Aug-16-07 09:23 PM   #128 
  - Abso-fucking-lutely!  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 01:17 AM   #224 
  - I'm a "classical" type, but I like some of it.  Sparkly   Aug-16-07 09:43 PM   #133 
  - There is good and bad in everything  BoneDaddy   Aug-16-07 10:06 PM   #138 
  - PurpleChez...  Greyskye   Aug-16-07 10:54 PM   #140 
  - I think you might like Charlie Hunter. See this---  Gregorian   Aug-16-07 11:48 PM   #142 
  - that seriously rocked!  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 12:31 AM   #143 
  - Oh my!!! Bela Fleck and the Flecktones!! Charlie Hunter Trio!!!  Karenina   Aug-17-07 06:44 AM   #151 
     - His comment is my profile.  Gregorian   Aug-17-07 11:39 AM   #162 
     - yes, but it's not attributed!  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 01:00 PM   #169 
     - Thanks.  Gregorian   Aug-17-07 01:16 PM   #171 
     - His cover of "There's a hole in the Bucket"  Karenina   Aug-17-07 01:12 PM   #170 
     - Michael Franti and Spearhead!  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 12:33 PM   #165 
  - I love Bela Fleck...I'll check out the link in the morning  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 01:18 AM   #225 
  - you're confusing disposable pop culture Hip Hop for the entirety of the phenomenon  NuttyFluffers   Aug-17-07 03:14 AM   #146 
  - Thanks for well-thought out response  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 01:25 AM   #227 
  - as i addressed, it is a deliberate fashioning of identity from atop  NuttyFluffers   Aug-20-07 09:40 PM   #317 
  - Bravo  GirlinContempt   Aug-19-07 12:19 AM   #264 
  - I can't stand it. I just find it amazingly irritating. NT  baby_mouse   Aug-17-07 03:18 AM   #147 
  - Rule #1: 50 Cent is not hip hop, he is an overhyped idiot who can't even fucking RAP.  Zhade   Aug-17-07 05:19 AM   #148 
  - You DID say, It's not about the music...  Karenina   Aug-17-07 07:00 AM   #152 
  - That stood out to me, as well.  Chovexani   Aug-17-07 11:49 AM   #163 
     - Your "traitor" comment reminds me  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 01:32 AM   #229 
     - It's that "branding" thing again.  Karenina   Aug-18-07 06:04 AM   #237 
  - What are you missing? Nothing really.  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-17-07 11:19 AM   #156 
  - some good music. nt.  IndianaJones   Aug-17-07 11:20 AM   #157 
  - Please try Aceyalone - amazing and poignant lyrics (not about gangstas and hos) and kickass beats:  kwyjibo   Aug-17-07 11:28 AM   #161 
  - pretty good!  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 12:49 PM   #167 
  - A little test for hip-hop haters.  sofa king   Aug-17-07 01:16 PM   #172 
  - Give me audio versions of the two, and I'll compare them.  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 01:20 PM   #175 
  - Oh... jeez.  sofa king   Aug-17-07 01:22 PM   #177 
     - ?  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 01:32 PM   #182 
  - ...  Chovexani   Aug-17-07 01:23 PM   #178 
  - completely agree  Greyskye   Aug-17-07 02:01 PM   #183 
  - I think you are misunderstanding me.  sofa king   Aug-17-07 02:02 PM   #184 
  - That jumped out at me too...  Hell Hath No Fury   Aug-17-07 02:13 PM   #187 
  - HEAR! HEAR! You rokk!  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 01:41 AM   #232 
  - I don't like either one; that doesn't mean I hate African-American culture.  AnotherGreenWorld   Aug-17-07 01:31 PM   #181 
  - Inseperable? I hardly think so.  Karenina   Aug-17-07 06:36 PM   #211 
  - Loved the quotation of G Brooks  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 01:37 AM   #231 
  - it's not music  leftofthedial   Aug-17-07 01:29 PM   #180 
  - Excuse?  GirlinContempt   Aug-19-07 12:23 AM   #265 
     - and don't EVEN get me started on folk music!  leftofthedial   Aug-19-07 01:58 AM   #268 
  - i'm white and married to a jamaican  laruemtt   Aug-17-07 02:28 PM   #192 
  - Rap/Hip-hop  Poppa   Aug-17-07 03:46 PM   #202 
  - Check out Buck 65 and Sage Francis...two excellent, thought-provoking rappers.  Elrond Hubbard   Aug-17-07 03:51 PM   #203 
  - I find it interesting as a cultural phenomenon  tofurkey   Aug-17-07 05:13 PM   #209 
  - Here's some examples of Buck 65 and Sage Francis...  Elrond Hubbard   Aug-17-07 06:23 PM   #210 
  - Some like to make the point that what's popular and most famous  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 01:46 AM   #233 
     - are you saying you're seeing great commercial stuff on MTV that's NOT rap?  bettyellen   Aug-18-07 08:28 AM   #244 
        - Did I SAY that I was seeing great stuff elsewhere on MTV? No way, Jose.  PurpleChez   Aug-18-07 05:43 PM   #254 
           - your OP says "what am i missing" and you criticise people for being "defensive"  bettyellen   Aug-18-07 06:24 PM   #257 
              - I'm NOT surprised that people are answering, and  PurpleChez   Aug-19-07 08:21 AM   #279 
                 - pointing out that other music has sex and violence is pointing out you are picking on rap  bettyellen   Aug-19-07 04:19 PM   #296 
                    - First off...I'd meant to say "I'm NOT saying" that you'd said whatever...  PurpleChez   Aug-20-07 05:47 AM   #304 
                       - actually the fact that you went out of your way to critique a genre you know little about is telling  bettyellen   Aug-20-07 07:29 PM   #312 
                          - Read the original post  PurpleChez   Aug-20-07 09:01 PM   #316 
                             - people were called haters for putting down music they don;lt know much about  bettyellen   Aug-21-07 07:47 AM   #320 
  - Yay for the local guys  Posteritatis   Aug-18-07 01:33 AM   #230 
  - Remember that rap song the Bears did back in the Eighties?  porphyrian   Aug-18-07 12:20 AM   #217 
  - Well... you are not missing  Karenina   Aug-18-07 05:52 AM   #236 
  - Hip-hop is why songs are so crappy today. Today, a "good tune" is one with more than one note.  Perry Logan   Aug-18-07 06:37 AM   #240 
  - If You Don't Like Don't Listen To It  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-18-07 08:20 AM   #243 
  - OK. But that wasn't the point  PurpleChez   Aug-19-07 08:27 AM   #280 
     - Maybe This Was  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-19-07 09:54 AM   #290 
        - I'll probably never be able to check out all of the music suggestions that have  PurpleChez   Aug-20-07 05:53 AM   #305 
  - I have 2 answers.  LWolf   Aug-18-07 09:43 AM   #246 
  - Right. I don't think I'll ever like most of the music  PurpleChez   Aug-19-07 08:34 AM   #283 
     - Exactly. n/t  LWolf   Aug-19-07 04:17 PM   #295 
  - DON'T MISS THIS!!!  Karenina   Aug-18-07 04:52 PM   #248 
  - Please, Oh Please tell me that you're not trying to equate  PurpleChez   Aug-20-07 04:16 PM   #309 
     - Oh dear NO!!!!  Karenina   Aug-21-07 04:29 PM   #324 
        - SO GLAD!!!!  PurpleChez   Aug-21-07 04:51 PM   #325 
  - I'm also 41PurpleChez and I have to say I have a similar attitude as you  Oregonian   Aug-18-07 05:47 PM   #255 
  - Here's hip hop. The roots. Check it out.  Gregorian   Aug-18-07 10:41 PM   #259 
  - Okay (+ link to anti-Bush rap song):  Starbucks Anarchist   Aug-18-07 11:02 PM   #260 
  - My thoughts on a 30 minute Hip Hop TV show  Greyskye   Aug-18-07 11:33 PM   #261 
  - Greek hip hop? It's ethnic not Athenic!  spindoctor   Aug-19-07 07:11 AM   #272 
  - LOL  Greyskye   Aug-19-07 03:32 PM   #293 
  - this post gets a 9.5 :)  j995   Aug-19-07 08:40 AM   #285 
     - I was wondering about that too  GirlinContempt   Aug-19-07 10:02 AM   #291 
     - Thank you!  Greyskye   Aug-19-07 03:42 PM   #294 
  - Self-congratulatory ignorance drives me mental.  GirlinContempt   Aug-19-07 12:32 AM   #267 
  - I appreciate your comments  PurpleChez   Aug-19-07 08:40 AM   #284 
     - There is a big difference.  GirlinContempt   Aug-19-07 09:49 AM   #289 
        - Exactly!  PurpleChez   Aug-20-07 05:54 AM   #306 
           - Electronic Body Music  GirlinContempt   Aug-20-07 08:20 AM   #307 
  - Bleh, 50 Cent and Kanye aren't even good hip-hop  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Aug-19-07 03:01 AM   #269 
  - It's not that I'm "worried" about them being called moguls  PurpleChez   Aug-19-07 08:42 AM   #286 
  - I'm no hip-hop evangelist. but..  j995   Aug-19-07 08:05 AM   #276 
  - The "blood feud" thing wasn't supposed to refer specifically to  PurpleChez   Aug-19-07 08:48 AM   #287 
  - you're only missing a little  Enrique   Aug-19-07 08:31 AM   #282 
  - I left my wallet in El Segundo.  Gregorian   Aug-19-07 11:27 AM   #292 
  - Disagree, but this is culture.  Gregorian   Aug-20-07 12:25 AM   #301 
  - Jay-Z is a mogul.  Scout1071   Aug-20-07 12:34 AM   #302 
  - My point was that the term "mogul" isn't used outside of hip hop  PurpleChez   Aug-20-07 04:11 PM   #308 
     - well then! it MUST be a bad thing then, right?  bettyellen   Aug-20-07 07:32 PM   #313 
     - Did I say it was a bad thing? No...I did not.  PurpleChez   Aug-20-07 08:17 PM   #315 
        - the whole music industry uses the term- but you notice only- and put down blacks for it.  bettyellen   Aug-21-07 07:43 AM   #319 
     - Actually, it's been used within the entire "pop" music industry  LostinVA   Aug-20-07 09:43 PM   #318 
        - but it's only silly when black people do it!  bettyellen   Aug-21-07 07:48 AM   #321 
           - Those silly black people with those made-up words  LostinVA   Aug-21-07 10:43 AM   #323 
  - Eh...I'll take it or leave it...burned out on "new" stuff  ileus   Aug-20-07 04:28 PM   #310 
  - I say... You cant spell cRAP without RAP. n/t  JesterCS   Aug-20-07 07:02 PM   #311 
 

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