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Wed Aug-15-07 01:50 AM
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| 81. I'm not implying that it's done purposely |
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And I am beginning to get the impression, as are many DUers, that the Republicans are trying to set Clinton up to win the nomination, for the reason that she appears to be the weaker of the three top candidates in a general election.
Still, I'm hopeful that she will win if nominated, though I definitely believe that Edwards has a better chance.
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| -Edwards’ Dilemma: The Most Popular Candidate in the U.S. Polls Only 12% of His Own Party’s Vote |
Time for change |
Aug-14-07 11:14 AM |
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So the thesis is, the Democratic Party apparatus is setting us up for another POTUS loss? |
marmar |
Aug-14-07 11:17 AM |
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I think it even more likely the corporate press is. |
Benhurst |
Aug-14-07 11:18 AM |
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I suspect the greater motivation ... |
TahitiNut |
Aug-14-07 12:06 PM |
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I'm not implying that it's done purposely |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 01:50 AM |
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I Do KNOW Many Here In FLORIDA Want Hillary Clinton, Because They |
ChiciB1 |
Aug-15-07 10:34 AM |
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Who is telling you that Hillary will be the nominee? |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 10:38 AM |
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This IS A Very Red County & The Answer Is Yes! I Do Know Some |
ChiciB1 |
Aug-15-07 11:03 AM |
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Food for thought. Recommended #1 |
Benhurst |
Aug-14-07 11:17 AM |
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K&R, maybe the most lucid and relevant post I've ever seen on DU |
venable |
Aug-14-07 11:19 AM |
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I agree |
benny05 |
Aug-14-07 06:58 PM |
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I appreciate the OP's work in putting it together |
themartyred |
Aug-14-07 09:05 PM |
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You Made Some Really Good Points... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-14-07 11:23 AM |
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Probably due to 2004/Kerry fiasco |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Aug-14-07 11:24 AM |
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What happened? |
slick8790 |
Aug-14-07 11:32 AM |
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I've never liked him. |
Clark2008 |
Aug-14-07 01:03 PM |
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Any particulars? |
Time for change |
Aug-14-07 02:27 PM |
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Not just his war vote. |
Clark2008 |
Aug-15-07 11:12 AM |
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You? |
themartyred |
Aug-14-07 09:03 PM |
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LOL |
Clark2008 |
Aug-15-07 11:09 AM |
#110 |
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Nothing to do with this thread, but the photo in your sig line is beautiful. |
Katherine Brengle |
Aug-15-07 08:21 AM |
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I thought Edwards wanted to fight but Kerry conceded???? |
LSK |
Aug-14-07 03:23 PM |
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Yes, that is my understanding |
Time for change |
Aug-14-07 03:42 PM |
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That is one of the reasons I'm leaning toward Edwards. |
drm604 |
Aug-14-07 09:36 PM |
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I Think The Information HAS Been Posted Here Before... I Don't Have |
ChiciB1 |
Aug-15-07 11:07 AM |
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I don't believe that Edwards can reasonably be faulted for that |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 05:57 AM |
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The corporate media whores have been non-stop with the |
LibDemAlways |
Aug-14-07 11:25 AM |
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agree with every word you wrote n/t |
frogcycle |
Aug-14-07 11:30 AM |
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me too |
mimitabby |
Aug-14-07 11:34 AM |
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I still haven't made up my mind; but I tend to agree with you. |
Benhurst |
Aug-14-07 11:44 AM |
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I totally agree that he's the most electable, but |
Justyce |
Aug-14-07 11:59 AM |
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we can go in together and buy Zanex in bulk! |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Aug-15-07 09:44 AM |
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I think we need to look closely at the way they are doing poll sampling too... |
calipendence |
Aug-14-07 03:42 PM |
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Thoughts on poll distortion |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 09:11 AM |
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I think you are right that there is no ONE answer to this... |
calipendence |
Aug-15-07 09:22 AM |
#92 |
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Polls |
bpeale |
Aug-15-07 01:50 PM |
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Well said. |
JDPriestly |
Aug-14-07 11:25 AM |
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Excellent post... |
Mythsaje |
Aug-14-07 11:25 AM |
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you took ALL the words right out of my mouth! |
themartyred |
Aug-14-07 09:13 PM |
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I agree |
BamaGirl |
Aug-14-07 10:07 PM |
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To this I cite the example of latinos gushing over Gonzo |
musiclawyer |
Aug-14-07 11:35 AM |
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Great post. But I'm not sure that race/gender |
otherlander |
Aug-14-07 12:00 PM |
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Thank you -- I'm having trouble visualizing that scenario |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 07:16 AM |
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This gets one of my (rare) K&R endorsements. |
TahitiNut |
Aug-14-07 12:03 PM |
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He's being John Dean'd - He's a threat to the establishment...he's talking Populism. He's talking |
paparush |
Aug-14-07 12:22 PM |
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That's Howard Dean |
hfojvt |
Aug-14-07 02:43 PM |
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Edwards is everyones 2nd or 3rd choice |
CaptJasHook |
Aug-14-07 12:45 PM |
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I agree with you there. |
Aya Reiko |
Aug-14-07 06:44 PM |
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You mean, it's hard for you to throw away your "concerns" |
brentspeak |
Aug-14-07 09:15 PM |
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I'm not sure what you mean by "living in wealth" |
Time for change |
Aug-14-07 09:39 PM |
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Rec 23! |
helderheid |
Aug-14-07 12:46 PM |
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In 2008, you can have a woman president. |
bobbolink |
Aug-14-07 12:48 PM |
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What Vanity To Suggest Edwards Is Liberal And Hillary Clinton And Obama Isn't |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-14-07 01:01 PM |
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That's me---vain. BWAHAHAHA! |
bobbolink |
Aug-14-07 01:09 PM |
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Who Paid For Obama? Pray Tell |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-14-07 01:13 PM |
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You can look it up. |
bobbolink |
Aug-14-07 01:16 PM |
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You should look up Edwards Senate voting record vs listening to his speeches. |
rinsd |
Aug-14-07 03:25 PM |
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I"m very well aware. |
bobbolink |
Aug-14-07 04:35 PM |
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I have been an Edwards supporter for some time, what really showed me |
Snotcicles |
Aug-14-07 06:32 PM |
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I, also, for some time. What cinched it for me was when he campaigned for Lamont. |
bobbolink |
Aug-14-07 07:27 PM |
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Yes, as a Lamont supporter / volunteer, I give him high marks for that. |
Nutmegger |
Aug-14-07 11:28 PM |
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Yes, a Dem with integrity, and not afraid to buck the trend! |
bobbolink |
Aug-15-07 12:47 PM |
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Edwards was not in the Senate at the time. |
Laurab |
Aug-15-07 12:41 AM |
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So??? |
bobbolink |
Aug-15-07 12:50 PM |
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Obama was offered a high paying corporate job as an attorney after |
peacebaby3 |
Aug-15-07 01:49 PM |
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So, then you base your decision on who has the best |
Laurab |
Aug-15-07 03:18 PM |
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Agreed... I want a "bipartisan" that works between groups of PEOPLE... |
calipendence |
Aug-15-07 01:57 PM |
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I wasn't aware of that |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 10:03 AM |
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ABsolutely! He's giving spine transplants to other Dems! |
bobbolink |
Aug-15-07 12:52 PM |
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Yea, I love all of the folks around here that don't bother to check voting records. |
peacebaby3 |
Aug-15-07 01:33 PM |
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According to the national journal |
Time for change |
Aug-16-07 10:35 AM |
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I'm not sure how the NJ figured that up, but I actually went and compared |
peacebaby3 |
Aug-17-07 12:11 PM |
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I hear you |
Time for change |
Aug-18-07 08:44 PM |
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I really hate it that so many are willing to... |
bpeale |
Aug-15-07 01:58 PM |
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Edwards is NOT a liberal or a populist and to suggest otherwise is dishonest or misguided |
cryingshame |
Aug-15-07 07:25 AM |
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What is it that makes you think that? |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 07:28 AM |
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Dennis Kucinich is the only liberal running. |
Clark2008 |
Aug-15-07 11:16 AM |
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DU is a micrcosm of this phenomenon - DUers simply hate Democrats... |
BlooInBloo |
Aug-14-07 12:52 PM |
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Heh. |
KnaveRupe |
Aug-14-07 07:19 PM |
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If it's so unfortuate, share the joke with the class, then. n/t |
redqueen |
Aug-15-07 09:46 AM |
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Just a little touch of Irony there, was all. |
KnaveRupe |
Aug-15-07 10:47 AM |
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Ohhhhhh... I didn't read that as irony. |
redqueen |
Aug-15-07 10:51 AM |
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Great post! |
sampsonblk |
Aug-14-07 12:54 PM |
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Thank you -- I'm hoping he WILL get a second chance |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 08:10 AM |
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The corporations are scared to death of Edwards |
McCamy Taylor |
Aug-14-07 12:57 PM |
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nothing scares them more is a attorney |
madrchsod |
Aug-14-07 02:38 PM |
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Many of the other candidates are attorneys also. n/t |
peacebaby3 |
Aug-15-07 01:54 PM |
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As usual, we Dems are bound and determined to screw ourselves. |
kerry-is-my-prez |
Aug-14-07 01:14 PM |
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## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
DU GrovelBot |
Aug-14-07 02:27 PM |
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I have some of the same qualms about Obama |
hfojvt |
Aug-14-07 02:37 PM |
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DU twits ... |
Everybody |
Aug-14-07 03:14 PM |
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Amen. |
TahitiNut |
Aug-14-07 03:30 PM |
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Having a scapegoat is ever so much easier than actually looking at the PROBLEMS! |
bobbolink |
Aug-14-07 04:42 PM |
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that was name-calling, not truth-telling |
hfojvt |
Aug-14-07 04:57 PM |
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BWAHAHAHAHA!! |
bobbolink |
Aug-14-07 05:00 PM |
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can't stand competition? |
hfojvt |
Aug-14-07 04:54 PM |
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THank you n/t |
Gonnabuymeagun |
Aug-15-07 09:42 AM |
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If I understand you correctly |
Time for change |
Aug-14-07 05:16 PM |
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Great Analysis! |
rucky |
Aug-14-07 03:33 PM |
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Don't care. Voting for him, anyway. |
aquart |
Aug-14-07 03:41 PM |
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Your theory is diluted by updated polling from Rasmussen |
rinsd |
Aug-14-07 03:44 PM |
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I didn't realize new #s came out today, but still the general pattern holds over a long time period. |
Time for change |
Aug-14-07 04:56 PM |
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We're clueless. |
screembloodymurder |
Aug-14-07 03:57 PM |
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Edwards will do fine... |
JCMach1 |
Aug-14-07 05:47 PM |
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I'm pissed the unions are fence sitting, Edwards needs their voice now. nt |
Snotcicles |
Aug-14-07 06:49 PM |
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Seems early for them to commit... |
redqueen |
Aug-15-07 09:51 AM |
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I think Edwards is the second choice for a good number of people |
MN Against Bush |
Aug-14-07 05:56 PM |
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Edwards eertainly has a good chance! If he wins Iowa, he'll stand a good chance of following Kerry |
earthlover |
Aug-14-07 09:35 PM |
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The GOP wants to run against Hillary- Edwards is the much better |
deacon |
Aug-14-07 06:11 PM |
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I'd love to see Edwards/Feingold |
jgraz |
Aug-14-07 07:38 PM |
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I really like Feingold, but I think he can do great things in the Senate... |
Blackhatjack |
Aug-14-07 10:09 PM |
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K&R. I'm for Kucinich, but I would vote for Edwards, which is more |
Vidar |
Aug-14-07 08:05 PM |
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John Kerry consistently scored about 7% in national polls until Iowa... |
Alexander |
Aug-14-07 08:09 PM |
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Good read, thanks. |
usregimechange |
Aug-14-07 09:12 PM |
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Nice Analysis |
flyinzamboni |
Aug-14-07 10:41 PM |
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Hi flyinzamboni... |
redqueen |
Aug-15-07 09:52 AM |
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I'm a huge John Edwards fan. Edwards/Obama '08! n/t |
GOPBasher |
Aug-14-07 11:24 PM |
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I just read today, that Edwards leads all Dems, ... |
aggiesal |
Aug-14-07 11:34 PM |
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The Iowa results are encouraging, but I wouldn't count on the results being similar in other states |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 10:28 AM |
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Are you in Iowa? ... |
aggiesal |
Aug-15-07 03:25 PM |
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It looks like a real tight race in Iowa |
Time for change |
Aug-16-07 10:39 AM |
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In each of the 5 polls, Edwards is either 1st or 2nd, ... |
aggiesal |
Aug-16-07 05:40 PM |
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I do think that's odd, that the polls are so far apart |
Time for change |
Aug-18-07 08:40 PM |
#145 |
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I'm in total agreement with your post. |
go west young man |
Aug-15-07 12:51 AM |
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This reminds me a lot of Dean's early popularity in two ways: |
1932 |
Aug-15-07 08:15 AM |
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I don't know anybody who favors Edwards. |
Perry Logan |
Aug-15-07 08:19 AM |
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Democrats know Edwards better than the population at large. |
jobycom |
Aug-15-07 09:17 AM |
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Interesting ideas |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 09:57 AM |
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Maybe mocking is harsh |
jobycom |
Aug-15-07 01:34 PM |
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Excellent, excellent post. |
lostnfound |
Aug-15-07 09:25 AM |
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Ummm...could the dilemma be voting record vs rhetoric? |
The Count |
Aug-15-07 10:28 AM |
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I'm sure that his vote on the IWR hurts him |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 10:33 AM |
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It's the recognizing part that i am having problem with - the SPONSORSHIP |
The Count |
Aug-15-07 11:36 PM |
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What seems weird to me |
Duncan |
Aug-15-07 11:29 AM |
#113 |
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Ever seen one of those "Jaywalking" segments that Leno does? |
trayted |
Aug-15-07 11:52 AM |
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? Who did Kuch throw his support |
Little Star |
Aug-15-07 11:42 AM |
#114 |
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I believe that he threw some support to Edwards in the Iowa caucuses |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 12:18 PM |
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I just sent them some money - He needs it NOW to get the Obama people. |
kerry-is-my-prez |
Aug-15-07 11:57 AM |
#116 |
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We, Obama supporters, are firmly behind our candidate. |
Katzenkavalier |
Aug-15-07 03:35 PM |
#133 |
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Just in case you'd rather have someone who was for war before he was against it |
The Count |
Aug-15-07 11:39 PM |
#135 |
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better than having someone for it & still voting to support it with money |
bpeale |
Aug-16-07 11:18 AM |
#141 |
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Not having a vote anymore is not a virtue. When Edwards voted, he voted with Joementum. |
The Count |
Aug-16-07 08:27 PM |
#143 |
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What the corporately owned news media is doing is really disconcerting. |
Larry Ogg |
Aug-15-07 12:23 PM |
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Those are very much the thoughts that I have been thinking for quite some time |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 12:49 PM |
#120 |
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Maybe frustration sometimes looks like conceding, but because we continue the fight there is hope… |
Larry Ogg |
Aug-15-07 02:41 PM |
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I remember it Larry -- thank you |
Time for change |
Aug-16-07 10:58 AM |
#140 |
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This is a wake up call. |
losthills |
Aug-15-07 11:55 PM |
#136 |
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Better send him money NOW before he disappears - he could be gone soon. |
kerry-is-my-prez |
Aug-16-07 10:48 AM |
#139 |
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