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Tue Aug-14-07 06:44 PM
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| 57. I agree with you there. |
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Whenever Edwards talks, there a lot of rhetoric with little substance. And whenever he does says what his plans are, even an amateur like me can see major problems in his logic.
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| -Edwards’ Dilemma: The Most Popular Candidate in the U.S. Polls Only 12% of His Own Party’s Vote |
Time for change |
Aug-14-07 11:14 AM |
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So the thesis is, the Democratic Party apparatus is setting us up for another POTUS loss? |
marmar |
Aug-14-07 11:17 AM |
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I think it even more likely the corporate press is. |
Benhurst |
Aug-14-07 11:18 AM |
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I suspect the greater motivation ... |
TahitiNut |
Aug-14-07 12:06 PM |
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I'm not implying that it's done purposely |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 01:50 AM |
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I Do KNOW Many Here In FLORIDA Want Hillary Clinton, Because They |
ChiciB1 |
Aug-15-07 10:34 AM |
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Who is telling you that Hillary will be the nominee? |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 10:38 AM |
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This IS A Very Red County & The Answer Is Yes! I Do Know Some |
ChiciB1 |
Aug-15-07 11:03 AM |
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Food for thought. Recommended #1 |
Benhurst |
Aug-14-07 11:17 AM |
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K&R, maybe the most lucid and relevant post I've ever seen on DU |
venable |
Aug-14-07 11:19 AM |
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I agree |
benny05 |
Aug-14-07 06:58 PM |
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I appreciate the OP's work in putting it together |
themartyred |
Aug-14-07 09:05 PM |
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You Made Some Really Good Points... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-14-07 11:23 AM |
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Probably due to 2004/Kerry fiasco |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Aug-14-07 11:24 AM |
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What happened? |
slick8790 |
Aug-14-07 11:32 AM |
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I've never liked him. |
Clark2008 |
Aug-14-07 01:03 PM |
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Any particulars? |
Time for change |
Aug-14-07 02:27 PM |
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Not just his war vote. |
Clark2008 |
Aug-15-07 11:12 AM |
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You? |
themartyred |
Aug-14-07 09:03 PM |
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LOL |
Clark2008 |
Aug-15-07 11:09 AM |
#110 |
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Nothing to do with this thread, but the photo in your sig line is beautiful. |
Katherine Brengle |
Aug-15-07 08:21 AM |
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I thought Edwards wanted to fight but Kerry conceded???? |
LSK |
Aug-14-07 03:23 PM |
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Yes, that is my understanding |
Time for change |
Aug-14-07 03:42 PM |
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That is one of the reasons I'm leaning toward Edwards. |
drm604 |
Aug-14-07 09:36 PM |
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I Think The Information HAS Been Posted Here Before... I Don't Have |
ChiciB1 |
Aug-15-07 11:07 AM |
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I don't believe that Edwards can reasonably be faulted for that |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 05:57 AM |
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The corporate media whores have been non-stop with the |
LibDemAlways |
Aug-14-07 11:25 AM |
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agree with every word you wrote n/t |
frogcycle |
Aug-14-07 11:30 AM |
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me too |
mimitabby |
Aug-14-07 11:34 AM |
#12 |
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I still haven't made up my mind; but I tend to agree with you. |
Benhurst |
Aug-14-07 11:44 AM |
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I totally agree that he's the most electable, but |
Justyce |
Aug-14-07 11:59 AM |
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we can go in together and buy Zanex in bulk! |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Aug-15-07 09:44 AM |
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I think we need to look closely at the way they are doing poll sampling too... |
calipendence |
Aug-14-07 03:42 PM |
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Thoughts on poll distortion |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 09:11 AM |
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I think you are right that there is no ONE answer to this... |
calipendence |
Aug-15-07 09:22 AM |
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Polls |
bpeale |
Aug-15-07 01:50 PM |
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Well said. |
JDPriestly |
Aug-14-07 11:25 AM |
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Excellent post... |
Mythsaje |
Aug-14-07 11:25 AM |
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you took ALL the words right out of my mouth! |
themartyred |
Aug-14-07 09:13 PM |
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I agree |
BamaGirl |
Aug-14-07 10:07 PM |
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To this I cite the example of latinos gushing over Gonzo |
musiclawyer |
Aug-14-07 11:35 AM |
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Great post. But I'm not sure that race/gender |
otherlander |
Aug-14-07 12:00 PM |
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Thank you -- I'm having trouble visualizing that scenario |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 07:16 AM |
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This gets one of my (rare) K&R endorsements. |
TahitiNut |
Aug-14-07 12:03 PM |
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He's being John Dean'd - He's a threat to the establishment...he's talking Populism. He's talking |
paparush |
Aug-14-07 12:22 PM |
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That's Howard Dean |
hfojvt |
Aug-14-07 02:43 PM |
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Edwards is everyones 2nd or 3rd choice |
CaptJasHook |
Aug-14-07 12:45 PM |
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I agree with you there. |
Aya Reiko |
Aug-14-07 06:44 PM |
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You mean, it's hard for you to throw away your "concerns" |
brentspeak |
Aug-14-07 09:15 PM |
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I'm not sure what you mean by "living in wealth" |
Time for change |
Aug-14-07 09:39 PM |
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Rec 23! |
helderheid |
Aug-14-07 12:46 PM |
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In 2008, you can have a woman president. |
bobbolink |
Aug-14-07 12:48 PM |
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What Vanity To Suggest Edwards Is Liberal And Hillary Clinton And Obama Isn't |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-14-07 01:01 PM |
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That's me---vain. BWAHAHAHA! |
bobbolink |
Aug-14-07 01:09 PM |
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Who Paid For Obama? Pray Tell |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-14-07 01:13 PM |
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You can look it up. |
bobbolink |
Aug-14-07 01:16 PM |
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You should look up Edwards Senate voting record vs listening to his speeches. |
rinsd |
Aug-14-07 03:25 PM |
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I"m very well aware. |
bobbolink |
Aug-14-07 04:35 PM |
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I have been an Edwards supporter for some time, what really showed me |
Snotcicles |
Aug-14-07 06:32 PM |
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I, also, for some time. What cinched it for me was when he campaigned for Lamont. |
bobbolink |
Aug-14-07 07:27 PM |
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Yes, as a Lamont supporter / volunteer, I give him high marks for that. |
Nutmegger |
Aug-14-07 11:28 PM |
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Yes, a Dem with integrity, and not afraid to buck the trend! |
bobbolink |
Aug-15-07 12:47 PM |
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Edwards was not in the Senate at the time. |
Laurab |
Aug-15-07 12:41 AM |
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So??? |
bobbolink |
Aug-15-07 12:50 PM |
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Obama was offered a high paying corporate job as an attorney after |
peacebaby3 |
Aug-15-07 01:49 PM |
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So, then you base your decision on who has the best |
Laurab |
Aug-15-07 03:18 PM |
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Agreed... I want a "bipartisan" that works between groups of PEOPLE... |
calipendence |
Aug-15-07 01:57 PM |
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I wasn't aware of that |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 10:03 AM |
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ABsolutely! He's giving spine transplants to other Dems! |
bobbolink |
Aug-15-07 12:52 PM |
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Yea, I love all of the folks around here that don't bother to check voting records. |
peacebaby3 |
Aug-15-07 01:33 PM |
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According to the national journal |
Time for change |
Aug-16-07 10:35 AM |
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I'm not sure how the NJ figured that up, but I actually went and compared |
peacebaby3 |
Aug-17-07 12:11 PM |
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I hear you |
Time for change |
Aug-18-07 08:44 PM |
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I really hate it that so many are willing to... |
bpeale |
Aug-15-07 01:58 PM |
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Edwards is NOT a liberal or a populist and to suggest otherwise is dishonest or misguided |
cryingshame |
Aug-15-07 07:25 AM |
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What is it that makes you think that? |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 07:28 AM |
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Dennis Kucinich is the only liberal running. |
Clark2008 |
Aug-15-07 11:16 AM |
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DU is a micrcosm of this phenomenon - DUers simply hate Democrats... |
BlooInBloo |
Aug-14-07 12:52 PM |
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Heh. |
KnaveRupe |
Aug-14-07 07:19 PM |
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If it's so unfortuate, share the joke with the class, then. n/t |
redqueen |
Aug-15-07 09:46 AM |
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Just a little touch of Irony there, was all. |
KnaveRupe |
Aug-15-07 10:47 AM |
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Ohhhhhh... I didn't read that as irony. |
redqueen |
Aug-15-07 10:51 AM |
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Great post! |
sampsonblk |
Aug-14-07 12:54 PM |
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Thank you -- I'm hoping he WILL get a second chance |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 08:10 AM |
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The corporations are scared to death of Edwards |
McCamy Taylor |
Aug-14-07 12:57 PM |
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nothing scares them more is a attorney |
madrchsod |
Aug-14-07 02:38 PM |
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Many of the other candidates are attorneys also. n/t |
peacebaby3 |
Aug-15-07 01:54 PM |
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As usual, we Dems are bound and determined to screw ourselves. |
kerry-is-my-prez |
Aug-14-07 01:14 PM |
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## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
DU GrovelBot |
Aug-14-07 02:27 PM |
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I have some of the same qualms about Obama |
hfojvt |
Aug-14-07 02:37 PM |
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DU twits ... |
Everybody |
Aug-14-07 03:14 PM |
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Amen. |
TahitiNut |
Aug-14-07 03:30 PM |
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Having a scapegoat is ever so much easier than actually looking at the PROBLEMS! |
bobbolink |
Aug-14-07 04:42 PM |
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that was name-calling, not truth-telling |
hfojvt |
Aug-14-07 04:57 PM |
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BWAHAHAHAHA!! |
bobbolink |
Aug-14-07 05:00 PM |
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can't stand competition? |
hfojvt |
Aug-14-07 04:54 PM |
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THank you n/t |
Gonnabuymeagun |
Aug-15-07 09:42 AM |
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If I understand you correctly |
Time for change |
Aug-14-07 05:16 PM |
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Great Analysis! |
rucky |
Aug-14-07 03:33 PM |
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Don't care. Voting for him, anyway. |
aquart |
Aug-14-07 03:41 PM |
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Your theory is diluted by updated polling from Rasmussen |
rinsd |
Aug-14-07 03:44 PM |
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I didn't realize new #s came out today, but still the general pattern holds over a long time period. |
Time for change |
Aug-14-07 04:56 PM |
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We're clueless. |
screembloodymurder |
Aug-14-07 03:57 PM |
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Edwards will do fine... |
JCMach1 |
Aug-14-07 05:47 PM |
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I'm pissed the unions are fence sitting, Edwards needs their voice now. nt |
Snotcicles |
Aug-14-07 06:49 PM |
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Seems early for them to commit... |
redqueen |
Aug-15-07 09:51 AM |
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I think Edwards is the second choice for a good number of people |
MN Against Bush |
Aug-14-07 05:56 PM |
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Edwards eertainly has a good chance! If he wins Iowa, he'll stand a good chance of following Kerry |
earthlover |
Aug-14-07 09:35 PM |
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The GOP wants to run against Hillary- Edwards is the much better |
deacon |
Aug-14-07 06:11 PM |
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I'd love to see Edwards/Feingold |
jgraz |
Aug-14-07 07:38 PM |
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I really like Feingold, but I think he can do great things in the Senate... |
Blackhatjack |
Aug-14-07 10:09 PM |
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K&R. I'm for Kucinich, but I would vote for Edwards, which is more |
Vidar |
Aug-14-07 08:05 PM |
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John Kerry consistently scored about 7% in national polls until Iowa... |
Alexander |
Aug-14-07 08:09 PM |
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Good read, thanks. |
usregimechange |
Aug-14-07 09:12 PM |
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Nice Analysis |
flyinzamboni |
Aug-14-07 10:41 PM |
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Hi flyinzamboni... |
redqueen |
Aug-15-07 09:52 AM |
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I'm a huge John Edwards fan. Edwards/Obama '08! n/t |
GOPBasher |
Aug-14-07 11:24 PM |
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I just read today, that Edwards leads all Dems, ... |
aggiesal |
Aug-14-07 11:34 PM |
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The Iowa results are encouraging, but I wouldn't count on the results being similar in other states |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 10:28 AM |
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Are you in Iowa? ... |
aggiesal |
Aug-15-07 03:25 PM |
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It looks like a real tight race in Iowa |
Time for change |
Aug-16-07 10:39 AM |
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In each of the 5 polls, Edwards is either 1st or 2nd, ... |
aggiesal |
Aug-16-07 05:40 PM |
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I do think that's odd, that the polls are so far apart |
Time for change |
Aug-18-07 08:40 PM |
#145 |
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I'm in total agreement with your post. |
go west young man |
Aug-15-07 12:51 AM |
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This reminds me a lot of Dean's early popularity in two ways: |
1932 |
Aug-15-07 08:15 AM |
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I don't know anybody who favors Edwards. |
Perry Logan |
Aug-15-07 08:19 AM |
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Democrats know Edwards better than the population at large. |
jobycom |
Aug-15-07 09:17 AM |
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Interesting ideas |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 09:57 AM |
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Maybe mocking is harsh |
jobycom |
Aug-15-07 01:34 PM |
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Excellent, excellent post. |
lostnfound |
Aug-15-07 09:25 AM |
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Ummm...could the dilemma be voting record vs rhetoric? |
The Count |
Aug-15-07 10:28 AM |
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I'm sure that his vote on the IWR hurts him |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 10:33 AM |
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It's the recognizing part that i am having problem with - the SPONSORSHIP |
The Count |
Aug-15-07 11:36 PM |
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What seems weird to me |
Duncan |
Aug-15-07 11:29 AM |
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Ever seen one of those "Jaywalking" segments that Leno does? |
trayted |
Aug-15-07 11:52 AM |
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? Who did Kuch throw his support |
Little Star |
Aug-15-07 11:42 AM |
#114 |
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I believe that he threw some support to Edwards in the Iowa caucuses |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 12:18 PM |
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I just sent them some money - He needs it NOW to get the Obama people. |
kerry-is-my-prez |
Aug-15-07 11:57 AM |
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We, Obama supporters, are firmly behind our candidate. |
Katzenkavalier |
Aug-15-07 03:35 PM |
#133 |
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Just in case you'd rather have someone who was for war before he was against it |
The Count |
Aug-15-07 11:39 PM |
#135 |
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better than having someone for it & still voting to support it with money |
bpeale |
Aug-16-07 11:18 AM |
#141 |
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Not having a vote anymore is not a virtue. When Edwards voted, he voted with Joementum. |
The Count |
Aug-16-07 08:27 PM |
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What the corporately owned news media is doing is really disconcerting. |
Larry Ogg |
Aug-15-07 12:23 PM |
#118 |
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Those are very much the thoughts that I have been thinking for quite some time |
Time for change |
Aug-15-07 12:49 PM |
#120 |
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Maybe frustration sometimes looks like conceding, but because we continue the fight there is hope… |
Larry Ogg |
Aug-15-07 02:41 PM |
#130 |
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I remember it Larry -- thank you |
Time for change |
Aug-16-07 10:58 AM |
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This is a wake up call. |
losthills |
Aug-15-07 11:55 PM |
#136 |
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Better send him money NOW before he disappears - he could be gone soon. |
kerry-is-my-prez |
Aug-16-07 10:48 AM |
#139 |
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